"We are a nation that can’t forgive"

not your fault Robert , but MSNBC left out one absolutely crucial aspect to that Hezbolah speech, that's been reported here:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395375738&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

he's wants changes in the OUR LAWS

does that ring a bell? (M.a.c. march in London, al qadawari on qatar tv - see the pattern developing here?)

"There can be no settlement before an apology and there can be no settlement before laws are legislated by the European Parliament and the parliaments of European countries," Nasrallah said.

Islamic nations should demand "a law committing the press and the media in the West that proscribes insulting our prophet. If this matter cannot be achieved that means [the West] insists on continuing this," he added.

"There can be no settlement before an apology and there can be no settlement before laws are legislated by the European Parliament and the parliaments of European countries," Nasrallah said.

Thanks for that addendum, archduke.

Can I say 'I told you so!' now?

Once again, our vaunted news agencies surgically remove the most important points from a story when this growing conflict is involved. They should be ashamed of themselves. Whatever happened to reporting the WHOLE story? Whatever happnened to loyalty to country?

Foehammer - the MSM has absolutely no loyalty to anything other than the far left liberals that fund them. I'm not surprised that MSNBC left out the most important part of the story.

That particular part of the story however, needs to be 6 inch headlines in every newspaper in the world!

this is leader of Hezbollah we're talking about here. He has some serious clout - this isnt some two-bit jumped up Jihadi on some British council estate.

its a declaration of war against the entire Western world.

Indeed archduke and CelticCoyote, I couldn't agree more.

And so:

http://www.foehammer.net/2006/02/your-freedoms-under-attack.html

I do what little I can, but evidently, it's more than MSNBC can be counted on to do.

This will surely be pleasing to the ears of those in the West with more Christian leanings..those who are told to forgive over and over again.

Cartoons of the prophet: International crime, crime against God, deed worthy of eternal damnation, and outrage to the conscience of all Muslims

9/11: Justice done on behalf of the oppressed Muslims, victimized by the unjust and materialistic West.

I want to see more Saudi and Iranian flags burning in American streets and in European streets

And another point: Did any of these blasphemous cartoons ever explicitly state "this is the prophet"? No. They were depictions of Arabs as they are seen on television.

ChinCheck~ wait a moment. 'Depictions of arabs as they are seen on tv.'

If depictions of any living thing are against the koran... then Any picture of an arab/muslim on tv is an affront to their faith.

No wonder they are so angry...

"Shut up."

Is Little Richard leading Hezbollah now?

Just how many holidays and religious pilgrimages do muslims have? It seems every other day 50,000 of them are marching from here to there for some ceremony or other (some being blown up on the trail by others of their faith). Does nobody have a full time job? Perhaps they all work for Manpower Temp services, whenever the camels need milking or the dates are ripe for the picking.

And apparently the Islamic leadership has conspired to trump up even worse cartoons mixed in with the real Danish ones, thus fanning the flames so that they can exploit this entire firestorm to their own ends.

http://www.nationalreview.com/editorial/editors200602080801.asp

This is standard procedure from the Islamic world. We all know that by now.

50 Sayings from Muhammad:

Words of Wisdom from Prophet Mohammad

1.. "Acquire knowledge, it enables its professor to distinguish right from wrong; it lights the way to heaven. It is our friend in the desert, our company in solitude and companion when friendless. It guides us to happiness, it sustains us in misery, it is an ornament amongst friends and an armour against enemies." (widely attributed to the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh))

2.. "A Muslim who plants a tree or sows a field, from which man, birds and animals can eat, is committing an act of charity." (Muslim)

3.. "There is a polish for everything that takes away rust; and the polish for the heart is the remembrance of Allah." (Bukhari)

4.. "What actions are most excellent? To gladden the heart of human beings, to feed the hungry, to help the afflicted, to lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful, and to remove the sufferings of the injured." (Bukhari)

5.. "The most excellent Jihad is that for the conquest of self." (Bukhari)

6.. "If you put your whole trust in Allah, as you ought, He most certainly will satisfy your needs, as He satisfies those of the birds. They come out hungry in the morning, but return full to their nests." (Tirmidhi)

7.. "When Allah created his creatures He wrote above His throne: 'Verily, my Compassion overcomes my wrath." (Bukhari & Muslim)

8.. "Allah will not give mercy to anyone, except those who give mercy to other creatures." (Abdullah b. Amr: Abu Daud & Tirmidhi)

9.. " 'Son, if you are able, keep your heart from morning till night and from night till morning free from malice towards anyone.' Then the Prophet said: 'O my son! This is one of my laws, and he, who loves my laws verily loves me.' " (Bukhari)

10.. "Say what is true, although it may be bitter and displeasing to people." (Baihaqi)

11.. "Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever is not kind has no faith." (Muslim)

12.. "When you see a person who has been given more than you in money and beauty, look to those, who have been given less." (Muslim)

13.. "If you do not feel ashamed of anything, then you can do whatever you like." (Abu-Masud: Bukhari)

14.. "O Lord, grant me your love, grant me that I love those who love you; grant me, that I might do the deeds that win your love. Make your love dearer to me than the love of myself, my family and wealth." (Tirmidhi)

15.. "It is better to sit alone than in company with the bad; and it is better still to sit with the good than alone. It is better to speak to a seeker of knowledge than to remain silent; but silence is better than idle words." (Bukhari)

16.. "Verily, a man teaching his child manners is better than giving one bushel of grain in alms." (Muslim)

17.. "Whoever is kind, Allah will be kind to him; therefore be kind to man on the earth. He Who is in heaven will show mercy on you."(Abu Daud: Tirmidhi)

18.. "It is difficult for a man laden with riches to climb the steep path, that leads to bliss." (Muslim)

19.. "Once a man, who was passing through a road, found a branch of a tree with torns obstructing it. The man removed the thorns from the way. Allah thanked him and forgave his sins." (Bukhari)

20.. "Who are the learned? Those who practice what they know." (Bukhari)

21.. "Allah has revealed to me, that you must be humble. No one should boast over one another, and no one should oppress another." (Iyad b. Hinar al-Mujashi: Muslim)

22.. "Who is the most favoured of Allah? He, from whom the greatest good comes to His creatures." (Bukhari)

23.. "A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity." (Muslim)

24.. "A Muslim who meets with others and shares their burdens is better than one who lives a life of seclusion and contemplation." (Muslim)

25.. "Serve Allah, as you would if you could see Him; although you cannot see Him, He can see you. (Umar: Muslim)

26.. "Allah does not look at your appearance or your possessions; but He looks at your heart and your deeds." (Abu Huraira: Muslim)

27.. "The best richness is the richness of the soul." (at the field ofTabuk, Syria, Rajab 9 A.H.: Bukhari)

28.. "Keep yourselves far from envy; because it eats up and takes away good actions, like a fire eats up and burns wood." (Abu Daud)

29.. "Much silence and a good disposition, there are no two things better than these." (Bukhari)

30.. "Verily, Allah is mild and is fond of mildness, and He gives to the mild what He does not give to the harsh." (Muslim)

31.. "Whoever loves to meet Allah, Allah loves to meet him." (Bukhari)

32.. "Once the Prophet was asked:'Tell us, which action is dearest to Allah?' He answered:'To say your prayer at its proper time.' Again he was asked: 'What comes next?' Mohammed said: 'To show kindness to parents.' 'Then what?' he was asked, 'To strive for the cause of Allah!' " (Ibn Masad: Bukhari)

33.. "When two persons are together, two of them must no whisper to each other, without letting the third hear; because it would hurt him." (Bukhari & Muslim)

34.. "Verily, it is one of the respects to Allah to honor an old man." (Bukhari)

35.. "All Muslims are like a foundation, each strengthening the other; in such a way they do support each other." (Abu Musa: Bukhari & Muslim)

36.. "Strive always to excel in virtue and truth." (Bukhari)

37.. "You will not enter paradise until you have faith; and you will not complete your faith till you love one another." (Muslim)

38.. "He, who wishes to enter paradise at the best gate, must please his father and mother." (Bukhari & Muslim)

39.. "I am leaving two things among you, and if you cling to them firmly you will never go astray; one is the Book of Allah and the other is my way of life." (Farewell Pilgrimage: Muatta)

40.. "Allah is One and likes Unity." (Muslim)

41.. "The best of alms is that, which the right hand gives and the left hand knows not of." (Bukhari)

42.. "The perfect Muslim is not a perfect Muslim, who eats till he is full and leaves his neighbors hungry." (Ibn Abbas: Baihaqi)

43.. "He is not of us who is not affectionate to the little ones, and does not respect the old; and he is not of us, who does not order which is lawful, and prohibits that which is unlawful." (Ibn Abbas: Tirmidhi)

44.. "No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that, what he desires for himself." (Abu Hamza Anas: Bukhari & Muslim)

45.. "To strive for the cause of Allah from daybreak to noon and sunset is better than the goods and enjoyment of the whole worldly life." (Bukhari)

46.. "Be not like the hypocrite who, when he talks, tells lies; when he gives a promise, he breaks it; and when he is trusted, he proves dishonest." (Bukhari & Muslim)

47.. "The proof of a Muslim's sincerity is, that he pays no heed to that, which is not his business." (Abu Hureira: Tirmidhi)

48.. "Do you know what is better than charity and fasting and prayer? It is keeping peace and good relations between people, as quarrels and bad feelings destroy mankind." (Muslims & Bukhari)

49.. "Conduct yourself in this world, as if you are here to stay forever; prepare for eternity as if you have to die tomorrow." (Bukhari)

50.. "The worldly comforts are not for me. I am like a traveller, who takes a rest under a tree in the shade and then goes on his way." (Tirmidhi)
With thanks to the Compiler: Dr.Shahid Athar `

Kindly recite Durood Shareef at least three times once you have gone through
“Allaahumma salli ‘ala Muhammad wa ‘ala Aali Muhammad kama salayta ‘ala aali Ibraaheem, wa baarik ‘ala Muhammad wa ‘ala aali Muhammad kama baarakta ‘ala aali Ibraaheem innaka hameedun majeed (O Allaah, send prayers upon Muhammad and upon the family of Muhammad as You sent prayers upon the family of Ibraaheem, and send blessings upon Muhammad and upon the family of Muhammad, as You sent blessings upon the family of Ibraaheem, You are indeed Worthy of Praise, Full of Glory).”

Hatshepsut~ I hate to say it, but daily reports would indicate that your fellow travelers are failing on at least 52 of those sayings.

36.. "Strive always to excel in virtue and truth." (Bukhari)

Now, that one is pure comedy.

The bravest woman in the world, Ayaan Hirsi Ali speaks out:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4698528.stm

She's backing the cartoonists and the danes - to the hilt.

How ironic, because I don't believe America is a country that is going to forgive islam for 9-11.
Not even when Hell freezes over.

I sure as Hell won't forgive Islam for 9-11!

Have any Americans REALLY forgiven Islam for 9-11?

Or have they just put it out of their minds and moved on with their lives?

Hatshepsut:

How come your so-called "prophet" didn't abide by his own scriptures? I know for a fact that Muhammed didn't live what he preached--he was a serial murderer and career criminal for pete's sake! There is a record indicating that on a single night he attacked, captured and decapitated more than 800 Jewish people--for no other reason than being followers of the Judaic faith. THIS IS YOUR IDEA OF WISDOM? Anyway, are you REALLY sure your prophet Muhammed wrote all this? How would you know--you weren't around then anyway. And if there's one things Muslims HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO, IT IS CHECK THEIR SOURCES.

Meanwhile your "prophet" ALSO wrote: "And when the sacred months have passed slaughter the infidels everywhere they are found; besiege them, capture them; torture them; prepare every strategem of warfare against them; take their money upon their conversions." Wisdom? I'd call this madness at its most sinister!

If your prophet was so wise how come he was unable to figure out that human life takes precedence over ideas and religious principles--without life itself there can be no religion because religion can only exist if there first is life to "embrace' it?

Personally, I think your 'prophet' Muhammed pulled a bait and switch marketing ploy---he lured prospective followers in with terrific-sounding scripture and then, once they accepted his teachings, forced them to accept teachings that were entirely different!

FED UP WITH THE CARTOONS
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http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=23915&highlight=#23915

From hatshepsut above:

11.. "Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever is not kind has no faith." (Muslim)

29.. "Much silence and a good disposition, there are no two things better than these." (Bukhari)

49.. "Conduct yourself in this world, as if you are here to stay forever; prepare for eternity as if you have to die tomorrow." (Bukhari)

Perhaps you should advise your screaming, rioting friends of these...

hey Hatshepsut,
I'm from Missouri, Show me. Your post isn't impressing me in the least. You Muslims are such hypocrits.
You list 50 sayings from your pedophile false prophet Muhammad, but they are all rendered void by the memory of September 11th, 2001. The day that the whole world witnessed the "mercy of Allah!" And the true exercising of the teachings of Rabid Mad Dog Muhammad, the phalse prophet.
"May the prophet's bed be covered with rose thorns, so his rest maybe painful and uncomfortable!" "May a dung heep set in the house of the prophet and share it's aroma!!!"
"Allah Peanutbutter Sandwiches!!!"

Mohammed broke every one of the 10 commandments. He is not a prophet because there is no prophecy in the Q'uran. The Q'uran calls Jesus Christ a Liar because Jesus Christ called God "My Father in Heaven", and Jesus Christ prophesied His own death on the cross, his burial for 3 days and His resurrection. The Q'uran is wrong in many places, like where it says the sun "sets in a muddy pool". Any Muslim who reads this and does not respond to my accusations has failed to defend their faith, and will be weighed and found short on teh day of judgement. Their Allah will not forgive them.
I will not forget the events of 9-11 nor can I forgive. I hope we keep insulting these Islamic idiots and Muslim morons until they all leave the Western nations that they love to criticize. America is a free country. If you don't like it, get the hell out and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. We don't need you, your cult of death that you laughingly call a religion of peace, or your lies about your false prophet. Enough is enough.

Another piece of evidence that allah is the opposite of the God of the Christians.
The parable of the rich man who wouldn't forgive a small debt owed to him, and how the king recalled the debt he had forgiven the rich man because of his hard-heartedness, is an expression of the difference.

Matthew 18
The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant
21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
22Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[f]

23"Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talents[g] was brought to him. 25Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

26"The servant fell on his knees before him. 'Be patient with me,' he begged, 'and I will pay back everything.' 27The servant's master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28"But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii.[h] He grabbed him and began to choke him. 'Pay back what you owe me!' he demanded.

29"His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, 'Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.'

30"But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32"Then the master called the servant in. 'You wicked servant,' he said, 'I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?' 34In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35"This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart."

Who is your brother? The God of the Christians says all men are our brothers. allah says to slay the infidel wherever moslems find them, the opposite of what God says.

hatshepsut:

The only thing a Koran is good for is to pull the pages out and use it to pick up my dogs' excrement.
You see, it's like in Peter Pan, a substitute for
saying "I don't believe in faeries!", except the
little winged ones are safe from its' effect. I
should film it and broadcast it worldwide, then
my dream really would come true!

I see hatshepsut has managed to hijack several threads. No pun intended.

Hatshepsut~ its short word for Hate sphut, ... you are too funny. you forgot over half of the drivel from the koran.. your mohammad was uneducated moron who would be put in a hospital for the insane if he were alive today! or jailed for raping a child!

All these boneheads recognize is violence and their "Prophet" is a mass murdering child molester. Any one have the Muhammed tioletpaper rolls yet?
Change our free speech laws for Islam?
Dream on Islamofascist. Why don't all Mooselimbs
go back to your country of origin and practice your sick murderous cult called Islam.

Some enterprising toilet paper company should start printing the Q'uran on a roll.

50 Sayings from Mohammad:

Where's the delete button when you need it.

51st saying of Mohammad:

War is deceit.

Hate shepsut-

In case you wanted to look it up, it is:

Buhkari V4 B52 N268.

"Allah's Apostle said: 'War is deceit'."

He expanded on it by saying:

"If I take an oath, and later find something else that is better than that, then I do what is better and dissolve my sworn oath."

Buhkari V7 B67 N427

In court this is called: lying.

In Islam, it is called: standard operating procedure.

That you have to speak Arabic to believe in God is rubbish - Muslims don't even understand what their book is saying.

It is just a fantasy that one day everyone will - see the light of Islam.
How do we say NO!???

Because Muslims have to ‘submit’ - they don't think about the religion rationally and all its oddities are pushed to the back of their minds. Islam works by preventing people from questioning it. It is just recite, recite and recite thoughtlessly. This guy who posts the Islamic scripts - thinks that one day his God [of the Kaaba] - is going to intervene and force us all to listen to this stuff.

Nothing much, we could do - here.
He is harmless - so long as all he wants us to do is recite from his book.

Guys like him are the ‘missionaries’ - versus their violent friends - but don't be fooled, both of them are working towards the same ends. They absolutely believe that everyone on earth should submit to the Islamic beliefs or else.

Some say that we should be open-minded or inclusive of other customs, but we have to question what we are being open-minded and inclusive about. Under the Islamic vision, we will loose all our rights as we know them. Women will become sub-human, freedoms of speech and expression will become severely limited.

For example the Prophet has said that women have half a brain. And as we can see by the protest - that if the Prophet has said something, than it is like God saying it.

To be open-minded an inclusive is to invite these things into our societies.
Though we must know that it is the duty of Islam to see that it rules; therefore it ‘must’ take steps to assert itself as the rule of law - in any land.
And more disturbing is that immigration is seen as a way to spread Islam.

We must now become more selective in the things we are open-minded or inclusive about. When our politicians and artists are killed and threatened with violence, this should be viewed as sign of things to come.

On the other hand we should also be wary of the peaceful message – of the invitation to learn more about Islam. Islamic people are quick to tell you that women are treated kindly - when we can look for ourselves and see that the majority of Islamic women can not even choose what they want to wear in the morning.
They will tell you that women are placed high in the society - when the Koran clearly relegates them to the position of being like farm animals, where men has dominion over them.
And states also that one of the Prophet’s visions showed him that Hell was populated mostly by women.

After a bombing or other threatening incident – Islamic people appear on television and rush to tell you that Islam means 'Peace', totally ignoring the fact that the Koran records many incidents where the Prophet Mohammed carried out the violent and murderous acts against non-believers, who did not wish to convert to his religion and that all followers of Islam who are able, are compelled to do the same.

The violence that you see in Islam is no accident – and the religion, however good or bad - has not been hijacked by a few crazed radicals. Islam is doing what it has been instructed to do; it is carrying out its very own edit, in the total belief that it is absolutely right.

Being open-minded in the face of this is like standing in front of a moving car. You can't welcome it without getting run over. This religion has clear plans to take you over. We have to take a moment to understand what this thing is, which we have welcomed. And when we understand it then we have to tell others, in order to stop its spread in the Western world. As by its spread we loose our freedoms – unless its followers are willing to concede and to be open-minded with us.

Universities and prisons are the number one places where Islam is being spread.

Our rights and our freedoms are not an illusion, and it took a long time to develop them and to get them to this point - however imperfect, it would be 100% better than any Islamic alternative.

In all Islamic countries:-
-There is state legislated religious belief [that means that as a citizen you have no choice but to follow the religion of the state],
-Negative rights for women [women in the West do know how free they are]
-Freedom of speech narrowed or restricted to [complaining about the Jews] government sanctioned issues.

These very same systems are causing Islamic peoples all over the world to flee their countries in desperation. But even though their systems are clearly failing - they believe religiously that - if their countries would become ‘more’ Islamic - then that country’s problem will go away, as they would be run by God's Laws. [Remember the Taliban, moderate Muslims will not and in an almost ‘communism can still work' way, will tell you that this was not the proper Islam, that if it was run 'this way' then…....]

Besides for the oil countries - there are virtually no stable Islamic system in the world today. Almost all of them are under attack by those trying to install even stricter Islamic systems. [This includes the Motherland of Saudi Arabia]

This is what we are really being open to and inclusive of. And in our open and free environments, Islam is doing what it does best, trying to install a more Islamic form of Government and way of life in the West or in their adopted countries.

It is not just a religion, it is also a political system and the two, work together. Islamic law dictates that these migrants or refugees work to change the Government of the host country into an Islamic Government, which is run under Shar’ia Law.

On our part, there should be no appeasements and no laws should be changed in favor of Islam. As it will never be enough, as they will always demand more. We can't feed this one.

Bohemond_1069 that is a great idea, can I use it?
Some enterprising toilet paper company should start printing the Q'uran on a roll.

Wonder how I can get it started? Maybe an anti-jihad website.