Will the U.S. have the guts to take him? From AP, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
KABUL, Afghanistan — An Afghan man who faced the death penalty for converting from Islam to Christianity has appealed for asylum in another country, the United Nations said Monday.U.N. spokesman Adrian Edwards said the world body was working with the Afghan government to meet the request by Abdul Rahman, 41.
"Mr. Rahman has asked for asylum outside Afghanistan," Edwards said. "We expect this will be provided by one of the countries interested in a peaceful solution to this case."
I'm sure George W. Bush has enough room on his Texas ranch to install a Katrina-style mobile home on the property for a fellow Christian.
Laura can teach him English.
And Barney and Miss Beasely can make sure he's sincere.
Bro. Rahman has to get pass the rabid Muslim protesters to get to freedom. Then he has to get pass his own family that has dissavowed him as being insane. Our so called "God fearing Christian" President should work out a way for Bro. Rahman to leave Afghanstan with hurt, harm, or danger. If not, he'll be dead as soon as his shadow crosses the prison treshold. If we can get Ferdinand Marcos out of the Phillipines without harm, our government can do the same for Bro. Rahman.
Bro. Rahman has to get pass the rabid Muslim protesters to get to freedom. Then he has to get pass his own family that has dissavowed him as being insane. Our so called "God fearing Christian" President should work out a way for Bro. Rahman to leave Afghanstan without hurt, harm, or danger. If not, he'll be dead as soon as his shadow crosses the prison treshold. If we can get Ferdinand Marcos out of the Phillipines without harm, our government can do the same for Bro. Rahman.
Why not do a trade - put him in Yale, and substitute him for Sayed Rahmatullah Hashemi - the Talib. Repatriate Hashemi to Afghanistan, and hand him over to the crowd in Mazar-e-Sharif. Since they are Tajiks/Uzbegs, and not Pashtun, they'll know how to handle him.
How about a really big trade: they take all muslims in western countries that want sharia law, and we take as many secular muslims and converts away from islam. Sounds good to me...
How about a really big trade: they take all muslims in western countries that want sharia law, and we take as many secular muslims and converts away from islam. Sounds good to me...
From your lips to God's ears! The trouble is, the Western Muslims probably wouldn't want to go back to their hellholes.
Afghan Christian Convert Seeking Asylum
Getting asylum in Britain is easy for any muslim claiming persecution in a muslim country. This case though is different, as a Christian and specially as he converted away from islam, he has no chance.
There is also the point to consider that Britain has hundreds of thousands of muslim fanatics who will gladly dispense islamic justice to Abdul Rahman. I hope MR Rahman will consider this before applying to Britain. Britain is not safe for Mr Rahman or any muslim apostate.
http://www.barnabasfund.org/archivenews/article.php?ID_news_items=51
There is lots more of this barbaric is;amic practice going around in the world. Even in Britain, muslims who have become followers of Jesus, are harrassed, their cars set alight, children beaten up, and other charming RoP practices. The police do not interfere even when the vidence is clear, as they are in a state of abject dhimmitude.
I have a spare bedroom. I certainly wouldn't mind keeping him for as long as he needed. As of yet, the US hasn't had the open, "we're a bunch of head-hunting fanatics"-types where I live.
But, according to Reuters:
"He will be released," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters. "I understand now that the details of his release and any potential onward travel are being handled as a private matter."
It doesn't sound like our state department is going to be very helpful in his making his way safely to another port-of-entry. It sounds like he's going to be "let free" to be lynched by his "peaceful, god-fearing neighbors."
If we drop the ball with this man, then we've dropped the ball completely. If Abdul Rahman is not allowed freely to live according to his convictions, then Afghanistan is still the tyrannical hell-hole it was before we got there.
Then again, even if Abdul Rahman manages to escape Afghanistan with his life, very little, if anything will have changed. The brain-sucking, idiot-producing "religion" of islam will still be the overriding philosophy in the region.
I might be a horrible human being for saying this (maybe even as horrible as a muslim), but I think this man will serve the best purpose for fighting islamafacism if he become a martyr.
I am not saying that he should stap himself with a bomb and blow up the poppy seed fields (only valuable thing in Afganistan, comparable to our twin towers), but if he dies by the hand of a muslim crowd screaming allah ahbar and this is filmed and shown on American TV, I think it will have a huge impact on the public and enlighten it.
The reason that there were not more attacks on American has to do with our retaliation. The rule must be, you attack us with a knife and we nuke you. If there is one more serious attack on the United States, we will not wimp out like Europeans, but start really carpet bombing all Arab countries. Give them something to really complain about. This people only understand retaliation, nothing else.
yohannbiimu-
"...will remain the over-riding philosophy in this region..."
"Philosophy"?
'The love of wisdom' it ain't.
Theocratic dogmatism it is.
Philosophy questions its premises.
Islam kills its questioners.
Dystrophy is more like it.
2 more Afghan Christians reportedly thrown into jail
Muslims protest dropping of charges against man who converted from Islam
Posted: March 27, 2006
WorldNetDaily.com
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49456
Source: http://www.compassdirect.org/en/index.php
A monitor of Christian persecution says two more Afghan believers have been jailed in the wake of the case of Abdul Rahman, a convert to Christianity who faced the death penalty under the nation's Shariah law.
According to Compass Direct, two other Afghan Christians were jailed in the past few days.
"Because of the sensitive situation, local sources requested that the location of the jailed converts be withheld," the organization said.
Compass Direct also reports that this past weekend, one young Afghan convert to Christianity was severely beaten outside his home by a group of six men who eventually knocked him unconscious with a hard blow to his temple. He woke up in the hospital two hours later, but later was discharged.
"Our brother remains steadfast, despite the ostracism and beatings," one of his friends is reported to have said.
Today, a United Nations spokesman said Rahman had applied for asylum.
"Mr. Rahman has asked for asylum outside Afghanistan," U.N. spokesman Adrian Edwards told the Associated Press. "We expect this will be provided by one of the countries interested in a peaceful solution to this case."
As WorldNetDaily reported, Charges against Rahman were dropped yesterday with the court citing a lack of evidence. Last week, pressure came to bear on Afghanistan from Western nations decrying the fact that under Islamic Shariah law Rahman could be executed for converting from Islam to Christianity.
Reuters reported today the U.S. State Department announced Rahman will be released from custody.
"He will be released," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters. "I understand now that the details of his release and any potential onward travel are being handled as a private matter."
Meanwhile, hundreds of people in Afghanistan protested today against the court's decision to drop the charges. Protesters chanted "Death to Bush!" and other anti-Western slogans, while the police stood guard, the AP reported.
profitsbeard wrote:
"Dystrophy is more like it."
Then, dystrophy it is! Then again, perhaps "syndrome" would be more descriptive of the condition:
"A group of symptoms that collectively indicate or characterize a disease, psychological disorder, or other abnormal condition."
"The trouble is, the Western Muslims probably wouldn't want to go back to their hellholes."
I don't know, if they took whatever wealth they had accumulated in the west, it might make them a 'big fish in a small pond' back in a sharia-controlled country.
"but start really carpet bombing all Arab countries"
No, we should only attack if they are a military threat, for instance Iran developing nuclear weapons. Just think of all the young Iranians who are sick and tired of their regime and desperate for a secular state.
But I do think we need a 'divorce'. We need:
1. No sharia-promoting (i.e. treasonous) muslims in the west.
2. No funding to regimes that don't practice human rights.
3. No trade with such regimes.
4. Our own, sustainable energy supplies.
I hate to think of muslims who do want change 'abandoned', but the current way we are paying for our own destruction is not the answer.
At times like these it is useful to remind ourselves the basics of shariah. Mentat wrote a very handy guide to this system of laws "frozen in backwardness".
http://www.challenging-islam.org/submissions/shariah.htm
The penalty for a Muslim apostate (someone who no longer believes in or no longer follows the tenets of Islam) is death.
No arguements here, no liklelihood of getting the context wrong. Death - thats it.
There are a whole list of such "frozen in backwardness" laws.
It is worthwhile to keep a copy from this link, just in case.
yohannbiimu posted: "A group of symptoms that collectively indicate or characterize a disease, psychological disorder, or other abnormal condition."
There is whole blog devoted to the psychoanalysis of islam. You and profitsbeard may find it intersting.
http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2005/11/narcissism_disi.html
A worthy article
It's Not Islamophobia When There Really Is Something To Fear:
Volokh goes on to juxtapose the attempt by Muslim officials to silence critics of Islam in the West with these attempts to murder an apostate. This represents the logic of thought control; not only must you not "change your mind" about Islam if you are a Muslim, but you must not think poorly of Islam if you are a non-Muslim. This is totalitarianism and is the greatest danger facing the West today.
http://volokh.com/posts/1143234185.shtml
The genocide of Sudanese Christians is truly a blot on the page of civilisation. Like the Armenian genocide, it was conveniently ignored not just by the politicians for political reasons, but by the MSM in the West as well. The mass murders in Darfur is small compared to what happened to Sudanese Christians and Animists. Worse still, it was done over a long period, and yet none of the news was brought up in the MSM, BBC etc. It was ignored, hidden or both.
Afghanistan is on everyone's mind at the moment, and a pretense by the MSM such as the BBC, that this is an exception in the islamic world, and there is no need to bring islam into it. There are other severe persecutions of Christians going on in the muslim world. The chief one is in Indonesia - in the province of Aceh, Sulawesi and other islands in the chain - the Molluccas comes to mind. The Barnabus Fund has details. Then there is the severe persecution of Hindus and Christians in Bangladesh. Somalia and Niger(not Nigeria), are other very dangerous places for the few Christians left over there.
If you donate, do consider the Barnabus Fund. I have mentioned this several times, particularly after the Tsunami in Indonesia. Christians in muslim nations are the last when it comes to getting any help, even that donated by the West. They are afraid, for even going to the aid centre to get Western aid, is fraught with humiliation and danger.
The Barnabus Fund is requesting support for a petetion for Justice for Christians in muslim nations. It is a worthwhile cause.
really good article about islam and the west, dp. thanks!
Well lets make a list of the countries that will not take him Saudi Arabia, as no Christians allowed,indeed is there even one country with a substantial number of Muslim that would take Mr. Rahman and can at the same time assure him of relative safety? And Islam is the religion of Peace,well name one country of the world 1.5 billion Muslims, I'm waiting, islam is the religion of Peace, one country please.
DP111 wrote:
"The genocide of Sudanese Christians is truly a blot on the page of civilisation."
Well, let's face it. We Christians have big "bull's eye's" painted on us. Those in Sudan could be cannibalized by the muslims in the north, and the MSM wouldn't raise an eyebrow.
But this was foretold by Christ in Matthew 24:4-13:
4: Take heed that no man deceive you.
5: For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6: And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8: All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9: Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10: And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11: And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12: And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13: But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
The nations controlled by islam are merely part of "all nations" who hate followers of Christ. Those who are taking the full fury of this hatred are enduring this persecution, as far as I've seen. How many Christians who post here will fair as well? "Many shall wax cold." Are we ready to endure when OUR time comes?
I hate to say it, but I think this man is going to die regardless or whether he is released or not. If by some miracle, he is granted asylm in the west, he would be hunted down and killed, probably by his own family. His only realistic chance of survival is something similiar to the witness protection program. And even then, how do you know some Muslim insider won't leak his location?
Mosmike,
Abdul Rahman does not need to die to show up the mohammedans and their PC Western Leftist allies. All we need to do is get him out there alive, the mohammedans will riot and kill others because they weren't able to behead or tear him to pieces. This will be watched on TVs across the world. After the murder of Van Gogh, the cartoon riots and this...what will the defenders of the RoP say ?
"but start really carpet bombing all Arab countries"
No, we should only attack if they are a military threat, for instance Iran developing nuclear weapons.
Posted by: Lili at March 27, 2006 06:47 PM
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Lili:
If 9/11 is not sufficient, then when does Islam become a military threat???
What are you willing to sacrifice to appease islam???
Muslims have murdered tens of thousands of non-muslims and Christians across the world since 9/11.
What is enough???
When the muslims are beating in the door to your home???
Answers would be appreciated.
There is no honor in Islam and no peace to be had with Islam.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
From my post in http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010698.php
I point my finger to your feelings. This is where God is, this is the message of God.
Posted by: olivier laurent at March 26, 2006 08:44 AM
An apparent good might hide immense evil; an apparent evil might hide immense good. The rule that an apostate who refuses to revert must be killed is an apparent evil that hides immense good.
From http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=transgressed+kill&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
we quote:
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Narrated Ibn Abbas: Some pagans who committed murders in great number and committed illegal sexual intercourse excessively, came to Muhammad and said, "O Muhammad! Whatever you say and invite people to, is good: but we wish if you could inform us whether we can make an expiration for our (past evil) deeds." So the Divine Verses came: 'Those who invoke not with Allah any other god, not kill such life as Allah has forbidden except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse.' (25.68) And there was also revealed:-- 'Say: O My slaves who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah.' (39.53) (Book #60, Hadith #334) (Sahih Bukhari)
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Another related Tradition quoted below is numbered 752 in Tirmidhi collection:
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Narrated Thawban
Thawban heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say, "I would not give this verse for the whole world, 'My servants who have transgressed against their souls, do not despair....'" A man asked whether that included those who had associated partners with Allah, and after remaining silent for a time the Prophet said three times, "Yes, it includes even those who have associated partners with Allah'"
Ahmad transmitted it.
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The translation of the Verse 53 of Chapter 39 of the Holy Quran by Abdullah Yusuf Ali is:
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39:53 Say: “O my servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.”
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In a society where religion is immaterial, a murderer would be tried and punished by the law of the land irrespective of his / her faith. It does not happen so in a land governed by the Shariah. What happened to those pagans who committed murders when they embraced Islam? Were they punished for the murders committed by them? No. As embracing Islam forgives all sins, they cannot be punished.
Why do we insist that an apostate who refuses to revert must be killed? Such an apostate might feel justified in killing a Muslim after he becomes free. If he is afraid he could be caught, he then re-enters Islam. What are the Muslims to do? Are they to kill him or are they to accept him as their brother on the strength of Verse 53 of Chapter 39 of the Holy Quran? If they forgive him, it opens the way for the criminals to rule the roost. Whenever they desire, they would declare that they are Christians, commit the crimes, and then just after having committed the crimes, would declare themselves to be Muslims again. Sorry, we cannot have chaos and we need to kill an apostate who does not repent.
In any case, my opinion is of no consequence; looks like the pressure to revise Islam is indeed very strong. For example see
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/faisal_bodi/2006/03/faisal_bodi_post.html
The above URL concludes with
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For Muslims the stakes are much higher. Sending him to the gallows would be to indict Islam on a charge of which it is wholly innocent.
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Allah knows best.
Posted by: Mohideen Ibramsha at March 27, 2006 10:50 AM
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We continue now. Abdul Rahman, the Christian has been released and is awaiting asylum in one of the countries. We have already been informed that death is pre-determined. In http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=time+of+death+womb&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
the following is found:
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Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Apostle, the true and truly inspired said, "(as regards your creation), every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for an other forty days, and then a piece of flesh for an other forty days. Then Allah sends an angel to write four words: He writes his deeds, time of his death, means of his livelihood, and whether he will be wretched or blessed (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into his body. So a man may do deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and so he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and enters Paradise. Similarly, a person may do deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and he starts doing deeds of the people of the (Hell) Fire and enters the (Hell) Fire." (Book #55, Hadith #549) (Sahih Bukhari)
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Who knows whether Abdul Rahman, the Christian might still declare the Shahada in his “realty TV Show” and collapse just after the Shahada in full view of the prime time audience!
Allah knows best.
May God be with Mr. Rahman in his search for asylum in the West. This whole issue should be a message to the Christians in the West that we must stand up and be supportive of our Christian brothers and sisters. Also it is a wake up call of the need to witness the good news of Christ to all.
Mohideen,
I welcome Abdul Rahman as a Christian brother and after reading your most recent articles on the issue of leaving Islam. I shocked but not suprised to read why Islam treats those who leave this faith for another so harshly. It is issues like this that this faith, (Islam) is being treated as a pariah.
It is issues like this that this faith, (Islam) is being treated as a pariah.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 28, 2006 07:02 AM
Whether Islam is pariah or is the future of mankind would be known in future. I would like to show the contrast between two potential martyrs, one a Muslim and another apostate from Islam.
From http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060328/ap_on_re_us/moussaoui we have:
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Moussaoui's defense attorneys, in their opening arguments, suggested that Moussaoui may prefer execution, which he would see as martyrdom, to life in prison.
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How about Abdul Rahman, the Christian?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060328/ap_on_re_as/afghan_christian_convert has the following:
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An Afghan man who had faced the death penalty for converting from Islam to Christianity quickly vanished Tuesday after he was released from prison, apparently out of fear for his life with Muslim clerics still demanding his death.
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Looks like Abdul Rahman, the Christian would enjoy self-imprisonment for life! A martyr indeed!!!
Big difference when there is martyrdom in the Christian and Muslim faiths.
The Christian gives his/her life up for their faith. The result is the spreading like seeds of the Christian faith.
When a Muslim gives up his/her life, the same person also takes the lives of others, proves that there is a clash of civilizations, and futher proves why Islam has become a pariah.
What America needs to do is pull its troops out of each one of these countries, then use all the ships and planes they can to send back all of these Islamites back to the desert from whence they came, then use their ships and planes to take their place with people who have forsaken Islam and want to truly embrace civilization.
I realize this is just a dream because what would the poor Bush family do by becoming enemies of their buddies in Saudi Arabia. Their beds would be awfully cold and lonely.
PJ
When a Muslim gives up his/her life, the same person also takes the lives of others
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 28, 2006 09:17 AM
When a Muslim takes the lives of others, the others are oppressors. How can taking the life of an oppressor lead to clash of civilizations?
Mohideen wrote:
"Looks like Abdul Rahman, the Christian would enjoy self-imprisonment for life! A martyr indeed!!!"
Abdul Rahman sought nothing from the criminal authorities. He has endured the days of threats to return to the evil of your satanic spirit-poisoning "religon." As far as I'm concerned, he is a martyr, regardless of his fate.
You islamists do not understand martyrdom--not in the least. Christianity defined martyrdom hundreds of years before your "prophet" corrupted it. A martyr suffers death and persecution for their faith. A martyr is one who remains faithful, in spite of the danger that they face from satanic mobs who howel for their death.
As I posted earlier, Jesus Christ foretold of his followers:
"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake." Matthew 24:9
Christ defined martyrdom here. Islam's "definition" is a satanic, corrupted one. The true definition does not seek martyrdom, but rather it is thrust upon the follower; however, the follower accepts it because it is the way Christ died. The false one thrusts itself upon others, and forces others to be made a part of it. It is 180 degrees opposite of the truth.
-Mohideen
If you truly believe what you just wrote, you are clearly a delusional sociopath. Turn yourself in before you do something stupid and get yourself and others hurt. Seriously.
what would the poor Bush family do by becoming enemies of their buddies in Saudi Arabia
Posted by: PJ at March 28, 2006 09:25 AM
Not to worry! From http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0324refinery0324.html
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Phoenix-based Arizona Clean Fuels Yuma … is now talking with Canadian oil companies about supplying the refinery with crude oil produced from massive oil and tar sand deposits, primarily in Alberta.
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Tar sands, which have only recently been counted as part of the world's oil supply, represent as much as 66 percent of global reserves. Of that, about 1.7 trillion barrels is thought to be in Canada's Athabasca tar sands deposit in Alberta.
Tar sand oil was earlier thought to be too costly to produce to be viable. But with new technologies and rising oil prices, it is increasingly being viewed as a key source of energy for the future.
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Look forward to the day when oil flows from Canada. Then the bed would be kept warm by buddies from Canada. Why bother the Saudis?
Mohideen wrote:
"When a Muslim takes the lives of others, the others are oppressors."
Mohideen, the lie that has taken residence within you is the oppressor. The lie that tells you, "kill apostates, kill unbelievers, kill Jews, kill, kill, kill..." is the oppressor. Poor islamists are killing themselves and others for an oppressive, diseased lie. Over one billion muslims are on a greased conveyor leading to hell, because of a lie.
before you do something stupid and get yourself and others hurt
Posted by: Eisenhund at March 28, 2006 12:22 PM
I strongly believe interacting with the posters in jihadwatch is neither stupid nor would hurt either I or others.
"kill apostates, kill unbelievers, kill Jews, kill, kill, kill..."
Posted by: yohannbiimu at March 28, 2006 12:32 PM
Kill the apostates – Yes
Kill the unbelievers – No
Kill the Jews – No. Protect yourself from them, killing them if necessary.
Its the illogic of your statement that's astounding, Mohideen. Someone isn't murdered my a mohammedan because they were an oppressor, that person was an oppressor because they were murdered by a mohammedan. That kind of "reasoning" is what is going to lead to your collective downfall.
Mohideen wrote:
"Kill the Jews – No. Protect yourself from them, killing them if necessary."
Does it occur to you, Mohideen, how totally open-ended that is? I mean, what does "protect yourself from them" mean? It can mean anything. "Killing them if necessary" also can mean anything. When you open the door to tell people to kill other people, you can justify killing anyone for any reason, because YOUR STUPID "RELIGION" SAYS TO DO IT!!!
Islamic "martyrdom" is a LIE!!! Your "religion" is based upon utter LIES!!!
killing them if necessary…Does it occur to you, Mohideen, how totally open-ended that is?
Posted by: yohannbiimu at March 28, 2006 12:51 PM
“Killing them if necessary” is not open ended. It simply means avoid bloodshed as far as possible. If the only way you can protect yourself is by killing, yes then do kill reluctantly.
In every battle fought by the Muslims, the first act is to invite the opponent to Islam. Only when the opponent insists on the continuation of hostility, the killing starts.
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=hour+kill+hiding&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all has:
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Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." (Book #52, Hadith #177) (Sahih Bukhari)
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When would the above happen? It is indicated by http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=Jesus+smell&translator=2&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
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An-Nawwas b. Sam'an reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) made a mention of the Dajjal one day in the morning. He sometimes described him to be insignificant and sometimes described (his turmoil) as very significant and we felt as if he were in the cluster of the date-palm trees. When we went to him (to the Holy Prophet) in the evening and he read (the signs of fear) in our faces, he said: What is the matter with you? We said: Allah's Messenger, you made a mention of the Dajjal in the morning (sometimes describing him) to be insignificant and sometimes very important, until we began to think as if he were present in some (near) part of the cluster of the date palm trees. Thereupon he said: I harbor fear in regard to you in so many other things besides the Dajjal. If he comes forth while I am among you, I shall contend with him on your behalf, but if he comes forth while I am not amongst you, a man must contend on his own behalf and Allah would take care of every Muslim on my behalf (and safeguard him against his evil). He (Dajjal) would be a young man with twisted, contracted hair, and a blind eye. I compare him to 'Abd-ul-'Uzza b. Qatan. He who amongst you would survive to see him should recite over him the opening verses of Sura Kahf (xviii.). He would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left. O servant of Allah! adhere (to the path of Truth). We said: Allah's Messenger, how long would he stay on the earth? He said.. For forty days, one day like a year and one day like a month and one day like a week and the rest of the days would be like your days. We said: Allah's Messenger, would one day's prayer suffice for the prayers of day equal to one year? Thereupon he said: No, but you must make an estimate of time (and then observe prayer). We said: Allah's Messenger, how quickly would he walk upon the earth? Thereupon he said: Like cloud driven by the wind. He would come to the people and invite them (to a wrong religion) and they would affirm their faith in him and respond to him. He would then give command to the sky and there would be rainfall upon the earth and it would grow crops. Then in the evening, their posturing animals would come to them with their humps very high and their udders full of milk and their flanks stretched. He would then come to another people and invite them. But they would reject him and he would go away from them and there would be drought for them and nothing would be left with them in the form of wealth. He would then walk through the waste-land and say to it: Bring forth your treasures, and the treasures would come out and collect (themselves) before him like the swarm of bees. He would then call a person brimming with youth and strike him with the sword and cut him into two pieces and (make these pieces lie at a distance which is generally) between the archer and his target. He would then call (that young man) and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness) and it would at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damscus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it. Every non-believer who would smell the odor of his self would die and his breath would reach as far as he would be able to see. He would then search for him (Dajjal) until he would catch hold of him at the gate of Ludd and would kill him. Then a people whom Allah had protected would come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he would wipe their faces and would inform them of their ranks in Paradise and it would be under such conditions that Allah would reveal to Jesus these words: I have brought forth from amongst My servants such people against whom none would be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur, and then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down from every slope. The first of them would pass the lake of Tibering and drink out of it. And when the last of them would pass, he would say: There was once water there. Jesus and his companions would then be besieged here (at Tur, and they would be so much hard pressed) that the head of the ox would be dearer to them than one hundred dinars and Allah's Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would supplicate Allah, Who would send to them insects (which would attack their necks) and in the morning they would perish like one single person. Allah's Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then come down to the earth and they would not find in the earth as much space as a single span which is not filled with their putrefaction and stench. Allah's Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then again beseech Allah, Who would send birds whose necks would be like those of Bactrian camels and they would carry them and throw them where God would will. Then Allah would send rain which no house of clay or (the tent of) camels' hairs would keep out and it would wash away the earth until it could appear to be a mirror. Then the earth would be told to bring forth its fruit and restore its blessing and, as a result thereof, there would grow (such a big) pomegranate that a group of persons would be able to eat that, and seek shelter under its skin and milch cow would give so much milk that a whole party would be able to drink it. And the milch camel would give such (a large quantity of) milk that the whole tribe would be able to drink out of that and the milch sheep would give so much milk that the whole family would be able to drink out of that and at that time Allah would send a pleasant wind which would soothe (people) even under their armpits, and would take the life of every Muslim and only the wicked would survive who would commit adultery like asses and the Last Hour would come to them. (Book #041, Hadith #7015) (Sahih Muslim)
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The Muslims would kill a Jew hiding behind a stone to shield from the smell of Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, just before the Day of Judgment. Until then, if ever any Jew is killed by a Muslim, it is only in self-defense.
In the Tradition regarding Dajjal posted above, it is stated that the first day would be like an year, that is the sun would shine for 6 months and the sun would be away for six months. During the 6-months of sunshine the temperature would be very high; and during the period of sun set for six months, the temperature would become very low.
Mankind would have by then developed the technologies to survive extreme heat and extreme cold. We believe these technologies would be Muslim technologies.
So, the day a Muslim would seek a hiding Jew and kill him is possibly far far away.
Mohideen said:
"Until then, if ever any Jew is killed by a Muslim, it is only in self-defense."
Your definition of "self-defense" and the reality of it, of what really happens when a muslim slaughters people in cold-blood shows the folly of your idiotic reasoning. What you are saying is nonsense, because the truth of it is what is happening in the world. You can pontificate until your head falls off, but the truth of your "religion" of hate and death is what happens in practice. Your talk is all theory. Islam is what happens when your people take to the steets to burn, destroy, and kill.
Mohideen,
"When a Muslim takes the lives of others, the others are oppressors. How can taking the life of an oppressor lead to clash of civilizations?"
What is viewed by Muslims as an oppressors when a Muslim takes a life a non-Muslim views a father, mother, son, or daughther, ete, . Also any attacks on non-Muslims by Muslim sucide bombers is one of the horrible realities of the clash of cilvilizations that the Jewish/Christian west is in with the Muslim east.
Mohideen,
A Muslim's oppressor is a non-Muslim innocent.
A Muslim's oppressor is a non-Muslim innocent.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 28, 2006 01:48 PM
Wrong. If the above statement is how a non-Muslim looks at the concept of “aggressor,” it is indeed sad.
Most of the Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq would possibly consider Commander-in-Chief Bush as an aggressor. They do not think so about President Clinton. Clinton was also a Commander-in-Chief, but he emphasized the development of trade and technology as President. Are you saying that Bush is innocent and Clinton is oppressor?
-Mohideen
Do you really believe half the crap you post on this site? I'm starting to think you write this stuff just to sit back and laugh at the responses. There is no logic or rational reason why you would believe as you would have everyone think, so I'm left concluding that you're either clinically insane or one helluva joker.
you're either clinically insane or one helluva joker.
Posted by: Eisenhund at March 28, 2006 04:02 PM
I am neither. Any attack on the personality of a poster simply reveals that there is no way to attack his message. Please show the mistakes, if any, in my posts. Stop adopting diversionary tactics.
Eisenhund says:
"I'm left concluding that you're either clinically insane or one helluva joker."
Or, he's just a typical victim of his "religion." He obviously does not think rationally or logically. He does not respond to questions or responses that he cannot deal with, so I do not think he's a "joker," otherwise he'd dump silly answers for everyone.
There are "easy" questions that Mohideen likes to give his rambling, smug answers to, but others cause his replies to be more terse and contradictory. It is possible that he is insane, since his "religion" is apt to produce people who are incredibly dangerous to civilized people, but I do not think he is "joking." I think he's dead-serious.
Mohideen wrote:
"Please show the mistakes, if any, in my posts."
I have already, regarding your perverted ideas regarding "martyrdom." Your definition and islam's definition is false. Whatever your "holy book" says about it is an abomination of the truth regarding what a martyr is. Allow me to reiterate what I said earlier about it:
You islamists do not understand martyrdom--not in the least. Christianity defined martyrdom hundreds of years before your "prophet" corrupted it. A martyr suffers death and persecution for their faith. A martyr is one who remains faithful, in spite of the danger that they face from satanic mobs who howel for their death.
As I posted earlier, Jesus Christ foretold of his followers:
"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake." Matthew 24:9
Christ defined martyrdom here. Islam's "definition" is a satanic, corrupted one. The true definition does not seek martyrdom, but rather it is thrust upon the follower; however, the follower accepts it because it is the way Christ died. The false one thrusts itself upon others, and forces others to be made a part of it. It is 180 degrees opposite of the truth.
There is my answer to your "message." What do you say to it?
-Mohideen
The problem with attacking the "logic" of your posts is that they are contextualized within the illogic of your books of mumbo-jumbo. Your beliefs create a framework within which a perversion of logic is the vehicle for your views. I'm not attacking you personally, I'm just guessing out loud concerning what would lead you to think the way you do. I hesitate to say 'think', as all you ever seem to do is parrot lines from your "holy" books rather than form cogent answers. Watch "the People's Court" some time. According to the way Mohammedans describe it, the Qur'an is hearsay. No one knows whether or not is was dictated to Mohammed through Gabriel by Allah, we only have old Mo's word for it. That kind of "evidence" is not admissable. Keep trying, though. Your posts are kinda like the Discovery Channel. Informative and useful in ways Sun Tzu would appreciate.
"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake." Matthew 24:9
…What do you say to it?
Posted by: yohannbiimu at March 28, 2006 04:35 PM
Thank you. That is my immediate reply. What is the meaning of “my name’s sake?” Is it Christians? Or is it a person who claims to be Christ? Christians are followers of Christ and are not his name’s sakes. His name’s sakes are those who claim to be Christ. They are the false prophets. Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that Prophet Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon them, was his immediate predecessor and that Prophet Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon them, was taken to Heaven without suffering death, would come back when all would believe in him.
God Almighty willing, I hope to continue this discussion in many postings. In this, I just want to emphasize that the false prophets referred to in Chapter 24 of Mathhew are the Dajjals to appear, and not Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=dajjals&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all has:
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Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established (1) till two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, (2) till about thirty dajjals (liars) appear, and each one of them will claim that he is Allah's Apostle, (3) till the religious knowledge is taken away (by the death of Religious scholars) (4) earthquakes will increase in number (5) time will pass quickly, (6) afflictions will appear, (7) Al-Harj, (i.e., killing) will increase, (8) till wealth will be in abundance ---- so abundant that a wealthy person will worry lest nobody should accept his Zakat, and whenever he will present it to someone, that person (to whom it will be offered) will say, 'I am not in need of it, (9) till the people compete with one another in constructing high buildings, (10) till a man when passing by a grave of someone will say, 'Would that I were in his place (11) and till the sun rises from the West. So when the sun will rise and the people will see it (rising from the West) they will all believe (embrace Islam) but that will be the time when: (As Allah said,) 'No good will it do to a soul to believe then, if it believed not before, nor earned good (by deeds of righteousness) through its Faith.' (6.158) And the Hour will be established while two men spreading a garment in front of them but they will not be able to sell it, nor fold it up; and the Hour will be established when a man has milked his she-camel and has taken away the milk but he will not be able to drink it; and the Hour will be established before a man repairing a tank (for his livestock) is able to water (his animals) in it; and the Hour will be established when a person has raised a morsel (of food) to his mouth but will not be able to eat it." (Book #88, Hadith #237) (Sahih Bukhari)
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Please compare Chapter 24 of Matthew with the above Tradition. God Almighty willing, we hope to offer the comparisons soon.
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Compare the above statement, with the Tradition found in
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=Jesus+smell&translator=2&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
The full text of this Tradition is given in my post at March 28, 2006 01:32 PM. The Tradition clearly states that the end of the world occurs after the descent of Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him. (During the descent, he is called without the qualifier, son of Mary, hopefully because by then every one would have accepted that Prophet Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon them, is not the son of God Almighty, but a creation of God Almighty.)
Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Compare the above with the Tradition of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, that thirty Dajjals would appear. The many said by Prophet Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon them, is clarified with a specific number by Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Is giving a more precise information plagiarism?
Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in diverse places.
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=dajjals&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all has
(4) earthquakes will increase in number
Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in diverse places.
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=Jesus+smell&translator=2&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all has:
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He would then come to another people and invite them. But they would reject him and he would go away from them and there would be drought for them and nothing would be left with them in the form of wealth.
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Mohideen, as usual you ignore the actual argument I have presented. You came here and mocked Abdul Rahman's martyrdom, and said that because he didn't tell his inquisitors to exicute him, that he wasn't one.
I have given you the true definition of what a martyr is, and you reply with what you think "in my name's sake" means. In context with what Matthew 24 says, does that matter? In the context of what Christ, the Messiah says regarding the suffering his followers will face by all nations, does any of what you say about it matter?
Regardless of what you say, words mean things. The word "martyr" cannot mean one thing, and mean the exact opposite of it. Again, allow me to reiterate:
Islam's "definition" is a satanic, corrupted one. The true definition does not seek martyrdom, but rather it is thrust upon the follower; however, the follower accepts it because it is the way Christ died. The false one thrusts itself upon others, and forces others to be made a part of it. It is 180 degrees opposite of the truth.
I'm not going to go on a turn from what this is about so that you can do a show-and-tell about how your writings can be similar to ours. There is true meaning of what a martyr is, and islam's "meaning" isn't it.
Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=dajjal+romans&translator=2&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all has the following Tradition:
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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the romans would land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them). When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army). which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed ani the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople. And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks. Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ). (Book #041, Hadith #6924) (Sahih Muslim)
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Aren’t Romans the Christians now? Aren’t the Americans hated all over the world for their attacking Iraq? Aren’t the majority of American Christians? If the Dajjal causes famine in Muslim lands, won’t he be hated? Dajjal is the name’s sake of Prophet Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon them. The Muslims shall await the descent of the real Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, whereas the others would follow the Dajjal who would claim to be Jesus and thus the Christians would be hated in future because of Dajjal.
God Almighty willing, I hope to continue tomorrow.
Mohideen, I have presented more than one instance of your false messages and lies, and you have failed to address them. I am not going to take this nonsense any further. If you are going to ignore me, then I am going to ignore you. I am going to cease casting my pearls before swine. (Matthew 7:6)
"Wrong. If the above statement is how a non-Muslim looks at the concept of “aggressor,” it is indeed sad.
Most of the Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq would possibly consider Commander-in-Chief Bush as an aggressor. They do not think so about President Clinton. Clinton was also a Commander-in-Chief, but he emphasized the development of trade and technology as President. Are you saying that Bush is innocent and Clinton is oppressor? "
There you go again. The truth of the matter is that a number of acts of terrorism took place during the Clinton admistration and in which action should have been taken to stop. It took both 9/11 and the Bush admistration to have to clean up the mess Clinton left behind.
As for the agression issue, from the non-Muslim perspective, the real victims of oppression and aggression is the inocent non-Muslims caught in the sucide bomber's effort's to get to paradise and the 72 virgins.
This response is the last one.
Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
The above clearly refer to the Dajjal. In http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=Jesus+smell&translator=2&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
We already quoted:
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… He would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left.
… He would come to the people and invite them (to a wrong religion) and they would affirm their faith in him and respond to him. He would then give command to the sky and there would be rainfall upon the earth and it would grow crops. Then in the evening, their posturing animals would come to them with their humps very high and their udders full of milk and their flanks stretched.
… He would then walk through the waste-land and say to it: Bring forth your treasures, and the treasures would come out and collect (themselves) before him like the swarm of bees. He would then call a person brimming with youth and strike him with the sword and cut him into two pieces and (make these pieces lie at a distance which is generally) between the archer and his target. He would then call (that young man) and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness)
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See the similarity!
Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
As already quoted from
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=Jesus+smell&translator=2&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
we have:
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… Allah would send Christ, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damscus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it.
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Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=Jesus+smell&translator=2&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all has:
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Then a people whom Allah had protected would come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he would wipe their faces and would inform them of their ranks in Paradise
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Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
In http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=dajjals&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all we find:
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Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established (1) till … the sun rises from the West. So when the sun will rise and the people will see it (rising from the West) they will all believe (embrace Islam) but that will be the time when: (As Allah said,) 'No good will it do to a soul to believe then, if it believed not before, nor earned good (by deeds of righteousness) through its Faith.' (6.158)
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Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=gabriel+benevolence&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all has:
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Narrated Abu Huraira: One day while Allah's Apostle was sitting with the people, a man came to him walking and said, "O Allah's Apostle. What is Belief?" The Prophet said, "Belief is to believe in Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Apostles, and the meeting with Him, and to believe in the Resurrection." The man asked, "O Allah's Apostle What is Islam?" The Prophet replied, "Islam is to worship Allah and not worship anything besides Him, to offer prayers perfectly, to pay the (compulsory) charity i.e. Zakat and to fast the month of Ramadan." The man again asked, "O Allah's Apostle What is Ihsan (i.e. perfection or benevolence)?" The Prophet said, "Ihsan is to worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you do not achieve this state of devotion, then (take it for granted that) Allah sees you." The man further asked, "O Allah's Apostle When will the Hour be established?" The Prophet replied, "The one who is asked about it does not know more than the questioner does, but I will describe to you its portents. When the lady slave gives birth to her mistress, that will be of its portents; when the bare-footed naked people become the chiefs of the people, that will be of its portents. The Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah. Verily, the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs." (31.34) Then the man left. The Prophet said, "Call him back to me." They went to call him back but could not see him. The Prophet said, "That was gabriel who came to teach the people their religion." (See Hadith No. 47 Vol 1) (Book #60, Hadith #300) (Sahih Bukhari)
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Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Matthew 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
We have already reported from http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=dajjals&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all :
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And the Hour will be established while two men spreading a garment in front of them but they will not be able to sell it, nor fold it up; and the Hour will be established when a man has milked his she-camel and has taken away the milk but he will not be able to drink it; and the Hour will be established before a man repairing a tank (for his livestock) is able to water (his animals) in it; and the Hour will be established when a person has raised a morsel (of food) to his mouth but will not be able to eat it."
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Matthew 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Matthew 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Matthew 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Consider Verse 61 of Chapter 16 of the Holy Quran:
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16: 61 If Allah were to punish men for their wrongdoing He would not leave on the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated term: when their term expires they would not be able to delay (the punishment) for a single hour just as they would not be able to anticipate it (for a single hour).
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I'm not going to go on a turn from what this is about so that you can do a show-and-tell about how your writings can be similar to ours.
Posted by: yohannbiimu at March 28, 2006 07:11 PM
Dear yohannbiimu,
Honestly until you forced me to look at Matthew 24 I did not know the message there is very similar to the message of the Traditions quoted by me. I had initiated a comparison. It was very unfortunate that you could not bear with me until I finished the comparison. Now, you could see that the passages are indeed similar. Again, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to read Matthew 24.
The true definition does not seek martyrdom, but rather it is thrust upon the follower;
Posted by: yohannbiimu at March 28, 2006 07:11 PM
That is true for Muslims also. We do not initiate a war unless and until it is forced on us. Jihad is always defensive. There is no martyrdom for one who initiates a fight without justification; such a person is a war-monger.
If you are going to ignore me, then I am going to ignore you.
Posted by: yohannbiimu at March 28, 2006 07:41 PM
I have no intention of ignoring any individual. Capacities of individuals differ. I might not be as fast in giving that very specific response as you are. If my slow development of a response gave the impression that I ignored you, kindly accept my heartfelt apologies. I have spent my whole life as a teacher. I just cannot ignore another person, it is not in my grain.
The truth of the matter is that a number of acts of terrorism took place during the Clinton admistration and in which action should have been taken to stop.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 29, 2006 12:58 AM
President Clinton did attack Iraq. See http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html which has:
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Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike
CLINTON: Good evening.
Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
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What did Bush do? He bombed the civilians in Iraq. Is bombing the civilians the answer to terrorists?