Well, of course it did. It's only a pity that it didn't meddle enough. From Reuters, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
MAZAR-I-SHARIF, Afghanistan (Reuters) - Afghan clerics blamed meddling foreigners on Friday for the release of a Christian convert who they said should be executed for abandoning Islam.The convert, Abdur Rahman, was spirited out of Afghanistan to asylum in Italy on Wednesday, a day after he was released from jail following a storm of protest in the United States and other Western countries over his treatment.
``Why does the international community interfere in our internal affairs? Why do they interfere in our judicial affairs?'' cleric Mohammad Sediq asked his congregation at Friday prayers in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif.
``It undermines Islam and our constitution,'' he said.
Islam undermines the entire world. What's your point again, Mohammad #1533828933?
k so it's fine for them to meddle in our affairs and undermine our constitution when it comes to a bunch of silly CARTOONS... but when it's a matter of a human being's LIFE being snuffed out by a fantatical cult of blood-thirsty backwards thinking freaks, well *snort* ... we should just keep to ourselves eh?
When the story of Abdur Rahman first came out I got a shocking e-mail from my brother who I’ve been trying to get to open his eyes to Islam for a while now. He, like many others, kept to the same old argument of Islam being a religion of peace, it’s just a tiny minority of extremists, it’s just like Christianity and Judaism, the Crusades were the Christians fault, etc, etc, etc. But when he read an article about how this man who converted to Christianity was to be executed for doing so he sent me a link and one little sentence – I think I’m finally beginning to see what it means to be a Muslim. I was so totally shocked by this that I nearly fell out of my chair. But if he’s beginning to open his eyes maybe there’s some hope yet.
"It undermines Islam and our consitution."
'Cleric Mohammad Sadiq'
On be half of all freedom loving folk of the Free World, if I may ask,
"What's your point?"
as long as they have their hands out for our tax dollars..we have a say in what they do in their couttry. and if they promote terrorism that will come to our lands we have a say in what they do!
the faster Karzai jails immans who promote hatred, the faster Afganistan people can join the civilized nations!
Couldn't help it Foe Hammer. I had to ask it again because it's so comical. And proves the point that Islam can do it to you, but you can't do it to Islam. Muslims can undermine our culture, but we can't undermine Muslims.
What a bunch of cry babies. Wah,Wah,Wah!!! said Mohammad Sadiq. Maybe he needs his diaper changed or needs his bottle.
Let Freedom Ring!!!
Well, someone needs to intervene. They aren't doing a good job of coming into the twenty first century. When they start to realize the idiocy of their ideology then the world may step down and not intervene.
But if we're going to spill our blood for their "freedom", and then send unknown millions of dollars to rebuild their Gawd forsaken country, then we have a say in how they run things.
We should have never let islam enter into their constitution, and never spent a buck on rebuilding, until we saw they were going to change and try to make their country better. Which, they haven't.
``Why does the international community interfere in our internal affairs? Why do they interfere in our judicial affairs?'' cleric Mohammad Sediq asked his congregation at Friday prayers in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif.
+++The answer is little man "Because we can."
I wasn't surprised by this case but I admit to being very pleased by the way most of our allies jumped down their throats and especially pleased Rahman is in Italy now.
I'm glad it happened as it has opened many eyes that have been determinedly shut as to what islam is all about. I can't help but wonder what it will take to awaken the other sleepers to the reality of what islam is and why it must be defeated.
Afghan clerics blamed meddling foreigners on Friday for the release of a Christian convert who they said should be executed for abandoning Islam.
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The relegion of hate speaks again.
How dare the western civilizations prevent islam from executing a muslim that saw the light and became a Christian.
Islam continually shoots itself in the foot and elsewhere, and were it not for meddling Infidels who rush out and save the idiots, islam would have perished by now.
For the last 5 decades the US and the West has been rushing aid to muslim countries, saving them from bankrupcy or mass starvation. Even when they excercise their "right" to behead Christians and Apostates, our media and politicians rush out to save muslims from the consequences their actions.
It would be nice if we just for once left the islamic world to their idiocy.
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cleric Mohammad Sediq asked:
"Why does the international community interfere in our internal affairs? Why do they interfere in our judicial affairs?"
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I think it is important to interfere, physically and diplomatically, in ways which cause Muslims ask this exact question of themselves, over and over again. If we PREVENT them from killing someone, and we do it CONSISTENTLY, or we close down the Dark Mosque of Friday Afternoon Hatred, and do it CONSISTENTLY, or somehow find a way to keep a woman from being stoned to death, and do it over and over...well, we will be placing a new seed in the Muslim brain, like maybe, self-doubt. It might be a valuable tactic in the 40 year war.
We saved this one man Abdur Rahman, and now everyone is going away happy and content that they did the Right Thing. And meanwhile Christians (well, the Jews are "all gone" you know) in Pakistan are still being quietly executed for apostasy. And meanwhile, the Afghan constitution has not changed one iota, the apostasy laws that sentenced Abdur Rahman to death are still on the books waiting for the next apostate. The Afghans didn't have an epiphany that their legal system has to change; no, they just found him to be "mentally incompetent" for choosing Christianity.
And it's nice to see that posters here (and the Administration) are still ready and willing to try to enforce our values (freedom of religion, freedom from cruel punishment, equal rights for women, etc.) on the Muslim nations at the point of a gun. What did Afghanistan ever do to deserve these freedoms? Why are we spending U.S. lives and resources to give it to them? You'd think they were our closest friends, our bosom buddies, the way we are willing to improve their lives for them, against their will.
The U.S. "helped" write the Afghan Constitution, so the angry Sharia supporters there can consider this act of saving one of their own citizens, from an unjust aspect of this flawed document, an Amendment.
We have more "Amendments" in store, should the Muslim communities in any state we "helped" shape try similar anti-human rights acts.
Some are even on the wings of predator drones.
The Hellfire Amendments.
Mr Jones said
Sorry, but I've got to point out a typo. You mispelled "1350 year war".
I can hear it now:
"And we would have killed him if weren't for those meddling foreigners!"
I sence a prodox somwhere in the fact these guys sound like cartoons... And that does offend me.
"...It is in vain, sir, to extentuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry
Well, of course the west "meddled" in the case of Rahman's apostasy charge. So what?
There are parts of the world where human life actually has some value. Even though Afghanistan clearly will never be one of them.
If anyone should apologize for this travesty it's the Muslims. But you can forget about that one.
AS I say it's time America pulled out of that ratbin of a nationstate calling itself Afghanistan and let it stew in its own vile juices.
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special_guest wrote:
Sorry, but I've got to point out a typo. You mispelled "1350 year war".
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No, it was a reference to Gerard Van der Leun, from today, actually:
"We will be long in this wilderness, perhaps as long as forty years"
Which reflects on my own opinion that we have to disrupt Islam for a couple of generations, perhaps forcibly, in large ways and small.
ps-Meddling in the affairs of non-Islamic nations has been a staple of Islam for well-nigh 14 centuries. It's time these people got a taste of their own medicine. Who knows, such medicine might, we hope, cure these people of their craving for Islam (that is if they're not too far gone)...
There are now 162 articles to the Afghanistan Constitution that went into effect in January of 2004 of which several articles should have given Abdul Rahman the right to be a Christian. Apparently sharia law trumps the entire Afghan Constitution if it so pleases them.
Never mind--- that its preamble calls for observing the United Nations Charter and respecting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.,
Never mind--- that it calls for the creation of a civil society free of oppression, atrocity, discrimination, and violence and based on the rule of law, social justice, protection of human rights, and dignity, and ensuring the fundamental rights and freedoms of the people.
But it appears that Article 3 is the trump card (Law and Religion) for the imposition of Sharia law.
Article 3: In Afghanistan, no law can be contrary to the beliefs and provisions of the sacred religion of Islam.
View entire Afghanistan Constitution:
http://www.oefre.unibe.ch/law/icl/af00000_.html
Tough choice:
"Meddled vs Life Saved"
Hmmmm - I'll stick with meddled!
And these same guys get offended when non-Muslims draw Muslims "as they see them"?
How else does a non-Muslim see them when things like execution-for-changing-personal-beliefs are part of Islamic law?
``Why does the international community interfere in our internal affairs? Why do they interfere in our judicial affairs?''
cleric Mohammad Sediq asked his congregation at Friday prayers in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif.
``It undermines Islam and our constitution,''
Well Mr Sediq,
The answer is simple. Article 18 of the humans rights charter.
Your affairs became ours when you allow
a) the harbouring of extremist groups
b) the rights of woman to be blatantly disregarded
c) the production of opium knowing what devastaion it causes.
d) your community to act as if the we still live in the 68th Century.
e) the persecution, murder, and subjugation of your own people people.
Christians who want out of hell, should go to our military (or any other) and tell them and get help to get out. I'm sure it would be a mass exodus, but at least when they came out of the closet, they would be safe.
oops...that should be islamic hell.
Yes we meddled and interfered with your attempt at first degree murder. $%&%&^$$holes!
Will they ever come out of that dark hole of Islam? What a curse on the world they seem to be.!!!
If interfering has this kind of positive effect, let's keep it up.
And shiek, you slay me, as usual. You keep it up too! ;)
Eisenhund said
But we weren't conquering them, we were saving them from a small minority of radical religionists holding them hostage. We are helping them to enjoy the freedoms that we enjoy. They are victims, and we are their saviours. At least that seems to be the point of the Administration, and those posters who seem hell-bent on helping these people against their wishes.
Our mission was accomplished when we kicked the Taliban's *ss. What we're doing there now is beyond my comprehension.
-special_guest
Oh yeah that's right, I forgot. All that ungratefulness from those medieval jackasses confuses me sometimes. Guess I've been reading too much von Clausewitz.
special_guest: helping people against their wishes is sometimes necessary. Just ask any psychiatrist.