From DPA, with thanks to Mike:
Athens: An Orthodox Christian and a Muslim man who were travelling to Germany were forcibly put on separate flights after they began fighting over their religious beliefs at the international airport here, reports said on Thursday.The men, bound for a flight to Frankfurt, began arguing on the bus as they were being transferred from the terminal to the plane.
According to reports, the two men started fighting over who was the more religious of the two when the Muslim man, fed up with being attacked, suddenly exclaimed that he was going to blow up everyone on the plane.
Well, that certainly proves that he was the more religious of the two.
Well now we see how that religion of peace actually interacts with others, when the Muslim man, fed up with being attacked, suddenly exclaimed that he was going to blow up everyone on the plane.
And he as allowed to continue on his way on a different flight...he should have been turned inside out and held on terrorism charges.
I wonder what his agenda in Germany is?
I hope that Christian is watching his backside now that he has offended a billion mooslems that would like to make an example of him to the rest of the world.
I always said you'd get arrested if you used the word "bomb" before boarding an airplane? Why did they let this guy fly after his outbursts???
Germany allows more (radical) muslims in. What a surprise.
The important thing is the Muslims be allowed and encouraged to convert. What keeps that from happening?
Ernest Becker's The Denial of Death explains that people get angry even violent during an argument because they are vulnerable as bodies and are trying (by abstractions) to live into the next moment. In a symbolic sense, our lives depend on being right.
It's good to recognize this when you are in an argument, especially with someone who is getting upset. You don't want a Muslim, for example, to get upset; that is not your point. You want him to consider alternatives. You want him to take on another belief system.
The Muslim can't leave Islam without fear of violent punishment. But doesn't that bug the Muslim himself?
At the moment of an argument, you are threatening the other's physical being. "I just couldn't TAKE IT anymore..."
Best to listen to your breath at such moments, try to avoid being attached to the argument itself. Know when to speak and when to back off. Perhaps the conversation can continue at a lower tone.
Perhaps you can then whisper the honest truth about what Islam has brought to its impoverished lands and especially, to its many victims.
Poor poor Moslem Man. He saw his future and the bureaucrats denied him his little Jihad. Oh well, once he gets to Deutschland, maybe he can realize his Sunnah. You know, have sex with a child, steal some money, murder an Infidel or two, torture someone, run a protection racket, that kinda stuff.
Mohammed and Allah kinda stuff.
Don't need to be on an airplane to be a Moslem, although it helps. Allahu out there to me an you, Moslem Man. We love your hate. Please kill us or subjugate us. Being a dumbass you may need help. Give the most honorable John Esposito a call and get over here and ruin our lives.
StillBreathing
What keeps that from happening?
As yet, there is no Former Muslim Protection Program providing a new identity, new home, plastic surgery, a job, and some walking around money.
The Christian here is more religious because he worships God while the Muslim worships a false prophet. The cartoon riots proved to me that Muslims really worship & idolize Muhammad, not Allah. That Muslims are more properly called Muhammadans
Allah vs Yaweh. Personal names. What's in a name. Whom to defame, or at least blame.
And, except for the tireless Moslems, what does it matter. We're all under the same contract out there swinging sticks in a single, shared game.
Can mankind ruin itself? To find out the answer, I'm travelling to Qom to put the question. Moslems always tell the truth, and if I can get a personal audience with a Grand Mufti or something, then I can find out the real truth. Allahu.
"suddenly exclaimed that he was going to blow up everyone on the plane.
Well, that certainly proves that he was the more religious of the two."
I couldn't stop laughing, sorry I know it's not comedy.
I saw a show a while ago about a young girl who was running late for a plane, she phoned her friend at the airport and asked her (she says as a joke)to phone in a bomb threat to hold up the plane so she could make it to the airport.
She was hauled over the coals big time, on the news in court etc.
This would be funny--were it not true.
Sounds like a bad joke, something like the old one about walling off Methodists and Baptists from each other in heaven to make sure that all experience Paradise.
"The important thing is the Muslims be allowed and encouraged to convert. What keeps that from happening?"
If he was born and reared to Islam, well, that's exactly what keeps him from converting.
If Islam is a cult (which in my opinion it is), being brought up in it creates an obstacle as big as the kabbah to converting to any rational faith.
I don't know a lot, but I do know about that, because I've been there. I was born into a Jehova's Witnesses family. I spent a lot of time with my great grandmother, who was very devout.
Day after day, it was drummed into me that the Witnesses had sole possession of the "Truth". Everyone else was wrong. Period. No further discussion necessary or encouraged.
It is interesting to note that the Witnesses, like the Muslims, deny the godhood of Christ, but accept him as a great teacher and prophet. On the other hand,they don't deny his crucifixion or resurrection.
When you're born into a cult, the very idea of converting to any other faith is terrifying! You just know you'll go to hell, if you do it. And, worse things are sure to happen to you, before that. Your friends and family will shun you, for starters. Being cast into the world without your supporters, isn't a pleasant prospect.
I think Muslims do a great many things, out of fear. Frightened people can be dangerous, and irrational.
Well score one for the Orthodox! WHOOHOO! jk
The incident though reveals the conditioned impulse of many muslims. I have talked to lots of them at university book tables, and it just gets to a point, no matter how polite you are, that they start to get angry and violent, especially if there is more than 1 of them.
Abscedere,
Your experience with the JW's is fairly typical. I have done a lot of talking with the JW's and I used to work for a counter-cult organization, if you need someone to talk about it, to vent or some help thinking through issues, contact me. I know how it is.
"Well, that certainly proves that he was the more religious of the two."
Well that statement certainly makes me wonder if you're an irreligious left-wing Euro-commie tricking Christians into fighting Muslims. To Hell with Europe, Go Islam!
" According to reports, the two men started fighting over who was the more religious of the two when the Muslim man, fed up with being attacked, suddenly exclaimed that he was going to blow up everyone on the plane."
This zealous Muslim who wanted to show off his religious zeal threatened to blow up the airplane.
This is a revealing story.
What does it reveal?
It reveals that terrorism and violent Jihad is at the true heart of Islam.
The more seriously a Muslim takes his Islamic religion, the more he will threaten to terrorize the infidel by violent means if necessary.
Such stories are favorites for the Zealous Secularist Press in the West -- It has such nice symmetry -- the two religious zealots -- willing to come to blows over "religion" -- both treated symmetrically and symbolically as equals -- one on this plane -- one on that -- the Christian -- the Muslim -- both the same -- both adherents to those old time crazy crazy religions.
Just imagine the outcome had it been a "Christian" or a "Jew" fighting with a "Muslim" in the Dar al Islam. One would be awarded a pension -- invited onto talk shows -- feted and celebrated -- the other, cast into the darkest dungeon or worse -- can you figure out which one would have been celebrated?
I'll give you two tries and a clue.
(The clue: The Christian or Jew wouldn't have been the one celebrated...)
suddenly exclaimed that he was going to blow up everyone on the plane.
MAY-BE HE HAD A GLIMSPE OF THIS PREVIEW OF PARADISE
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2006/02/politically-incorrect-guide-to.html
Shiva: That is a very funny link.
shiva that rocks... other parts of the site is terrifying, good on you for showing the true face of islam.
Please show video to the most religous !!!!
http://www.shooshtime.com/clips/video.php?id=7748
According to reports, the two men started fighting over who was the more religious of the two when the Muslim man, fed up with being attacked, suddenly exclaimed that he was going to blow up everyone on the plane.
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If anyone but a Muslim had screamed; "I will blow up everyone on the plane."; they would be in jail being held for terroristic threats.
There are two standards being applied across the world today: Those for infidels and those for Islam.
The coming war with Islam is being driven by political correctness enboldening the Muslims.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
Next permutation will be that the 'Orthodox Christian' will turn out to be a Jew. We all know that Jews are behind every trouble in the world - like blowing up mosques in Iraq to make it look like muslims don't get on - or at least that's what the mullahs say.
Sounds like a bad joke, something like the old one about walling off Methodists and Baptists from each other in heaven to make sure that all experience Paradise.
Posted by: WatchfulEye
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For the story as this Christian, raised in the Church of Christ, heard it through the years.
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The newly saved Christian died while sleeping and met JC in Heaven. As they walked through the great halls of Heaven, they went by multitudes of vast rooms filled with uncountable numbers of the saved. The newly saved Christian asked: “Who are these.” JC replied: “These are the saved from across the world.”
They walked by a room filled with all on their knees loudly praying. The new Christian asked: "Who are these on their knees praying so loudly and hard?" JC replied: "These are the Catholics, for they got to do everything that they wanted to on earth so now they pay penance in Heaven."
They walked a little farther and in the next great room there was a mass of people singing, dancing and enjoying themselves. The new Christian looked at JC and JC told the new Christian: "These are the Baptists for they did not get to do anything on earth so now they can celebrate in Heaven."
They walked a little further and JC put his fingers to his lips and they crept by the next great room. The new Christian looked in the room and all inside were silent and in deep prayer. The new Christian asked quietly: "Who are these?" JC stated: "These are the members of the Church of Christ and they think that they are the only ones in Heaven and we keep the noise down around them so as not to spoil their belief."
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The most important fact of this story is that there is and will be an uncountable number (billions upon billions) of saved in Heaven, greater than the number of Christians that have ever lived. Astonishing.
Revelations 7:9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb.
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When you can no longer poke fun at yourself, your religion or others and their religion then the world is to stringent and our politically correct society is fastly becoming that way.
Muslims murdering innocents over cartoons, how sad.
A Muslim threatening to blow up a plane load of people and not being arrested.
Islam is destroying our freedoms through political correctness and with out right lies about religious and racial oppression of the Muslims.
The war with Islam is two fold, by arms and by the press.
We are currently losing the war in the press.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
The article didn't address what got the two talking on the bus in the first place.
Maybe it's a cultural thing, but I've always thought of shuttle buses in the "dentist's waiting room" category of human interaction. Any attempt at it is just awkward for everyone, let alone taking issue with someone's religion or politics.
Muslims are more properly called Muhammadans
Yes. In old Bible commentaries (Adam Clarke, Godbey) Muslims are usually called Muhammadans
Anyone who is on record as either supporting, or even wishing to be, a suicide bomber, should be considered a security risk, and have his right to fly permanently taken away. Western and other Infidel airlines can enforce the ban among themselves and hope that at least some airlines of Muslim states will join in the ban. That means that neither Qaradawi nor Aziz Tamimi, the first having justified suicide bombing, the second having declared his own willingness to become a suicide bomber himself, should simply not be permitted to get on a plane observing a ban that ought to be enforced, to protect the flying public, on all Infidel-owned airlines and certainly within the airspace of any Infidel country, no matter what the airline involved.
That is reasonable legislation. That is the kind of thing Congressmen should be able to get behind.
Here, for the legislative drafters, is a guide: anyone who, either directly, or indirectly, has expressed approval of, support for, or willingness to emulate, those who have used suicide bombing as an instrument of Jihad, should be permanently barred from flying on American-flag airlines and on any airline flying within American airspace. In addition, anyone who has shown support for those who have expressed approval of, support for, or willingness to emulate, those who have used suicide bombing as an instrument of Jihad, shall be permanently barred from flying on American-flag airlines and from flying on any airline within American airspace.
For those of you wondering who might be permanently banned for having shown support for those who have expressed approval, support for, or willingness to emulate, those who have used suicide bombing as an instrument of Jihad, I can think of one good example: John Esposito, friend and collaborator of one Aziz Tamimmi (who on the BBC announced that he would, if the occasion arise, be happy to be a suicide bomber). John Esposito, in a rightly-run society, would for the company he has been keeping for the past 20 years not be permitted to get on a plane anywhere in the United States, and if Europe comes to its senses, in Europe as well.
That is the kind of legislation that all sensible Congressmen should be able to support.
CaptAmerica:
Yessir, that's my baby! I'll tell you though, that's one videoclip of TADS they haven't shown us at work!
Where did you get the video? I'd love to have a copy for my site.
American_Palamite:
Thanks for your kindness :-) I'm okay with it all, now that I'm older. I was fortunate in that my parents were very casual observers in the JW's.
I was able to move on to a plain old Protestant church, and I don't feel like I'm going to hell, when I die. (Or, to be more authentic: I don't fear not being resurrected.)
Ya know, I am just getting so sick of all of this. The same truths over and over again, and such a small handful of us it seems that can see them.
The most fanatical Christian (and we'll leave abortion clinics out of this for the moment) would try, try, try to convince you to convert. But, if in the end, you did not -- that Christian would walk away, his reward dependant upon his own salvation and not yours or your destruction.
That's such a crucial difference really.
Secularists need to wake the F up. This isn't about my God can beat up your God. This isn't between various religions anymore. This is Muslims versus the world.
And yes, I do know Muslims. And yes, I have cared for those I have known. And yes, some of them may NOT be fanatic. But far, far, far too many are.
"by their fruits ye shall know them" indeed.
I don't know how to stop this thing.
If ALL of us in the west who are not Muslim, whether we be Christian, Jew, Shinto, Buddhist, Agnostic, Atheist, etc., would band together and say -- this Islam -- we do not protect as a religion. Sorry. There is a huge part of the world were you can go be that, but you just can't be it here, then at least we would save our corner of the world.
If we fail to do that soon, eventually there will only be the options of HARDCORE violence or worldwide Islam.
And submission just aint my style...
Shiva, are you in Thailand?
If you are, would you like to meet up after tomorrow?
So I posted a follow up post -- which I saw posted directly below my post -- which is now not there. Anyone else ever experience that?
Anyway, in that follow up post I pretty much said
Just to clarify, my above post does NOT advocate violence. It is simply an observation about the nature of our society and what I perceive as our capacity to do violence if we do not to take steps to upstream the problem and solve it now.
I consider those steps to include more open discussion of Islam, stemming or ending immigration as necessary, deportation as necessary, etc.
I think I worded it better the first time (and with fewer words) but now, it is later and I am more tired!
Ah, never mind -- my bad -- my post is in another thread! See I really AM tired!
Goodnight!
"If anyone but a Muslim had screamed; "I will blow up everyone on the plane."; they would be in jail being held for terroristic threats."
It's as though people are getting so used to them screaming and threatening that it's seen like a 2 year old's tantrum instead of a real threat. Same with the anti-cartoon protesters holding threatening placards. This is a very dangerous attitude.
"It's as though people are getting so used to them screaming and threatening that it's seen like a 2 year old's tantrum instead of a real threat."
-Lilith
I mentioned something similar on a previous thread. Its getting to be like city noise to someone who's never been to the country. They count on people not taking them seriously. Mr. Mohammedan would be the first to squeal about his rights if someone took him seriously and forcefully removed the teeth from his skull with their fist.
Posted by: sheik yer'mami
Shiva, are you in Thailand?
If you are, would you like to meet up after tomorrow?
I will be in Bangkok around the 25 of this month,and I shall be staying there permantly after this date
To contact me you can send a PM through this Forum
http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=16
Please use your old NICK ...Then I know who you are
Hope you enjoyed your flight and not to tired
sometimes the threat or assertion that one might blow oneself up is a mainly rhetorical device among Arabs/Muslims. Mahdi Abdul-Hadi, head of a PLO propaganda outfit operating in Jerusalem, claimed once that he might blow himself up, while he was at one of those peace-and-understanding conclaves in Italy. The purpose was to impress, to aggrandize himself, to intimidate, to persuade, but Abdul-Hadi, a rather smooth operator, had no real intention of killing himself.
See the quote from him at this link:
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/07/plopalestinian-authority-spokesman.html
Shiva, your link above doesn't load, something wrong...
Anyway, I have only a few days in BKK, I arrive tomorrow night and I'll have to be back in Oz before the end of the week.
Sorry to miss you. Please google or yahoo 'sheik yer'mami' in order to listen to my music. Unfortunately the website 'Islamcomicbook' is down, I nearly got a million hits for my 2 songs 'shoebomber' and 'my Allah' from the 'Winds of Jihad' album...
We'll catch up one day, I guess...
"sometimes the threat or assertion that one might blow oneself up is a mainly rhetorical device among Arabs/Muslims."
Even so, given their scary predilection to "blow up" at the slightest perceived "offense", who are we to tell the difference between the genuine and pretend self detonators? I am not comfortable making such distinctions, nor do I want to let them linger while we wait for them to make up their minds...
The internal thought process of Muslim serial threateners to blow themselves up might go something like this:
"hmm... I threaten to blow myself up all the time -- and usually it shuts them up... now they seem to think it's a joke... this really offends my Muslim sensibilities -- Hmmm... where'd I put that bomb vest Grandma gave me last year for Eid? Did the wife return or exchange it yet...? I wonder... Maybe I need to dust it off and give this martyrdom thing a whirl..."
jsla,
of course you can't depend on it being a rhetorical device. The threat should be treated as a real threat. Otherwise it becomes a weapon. It can't be tolerated.