From AP:
Police found four hanged men dangling from electricity pylons in a Baghdad Shiite slum Monday, hours after car bombs and mortars shells ripped through teeming market streets, killing at least 58 people and wounding more than 200.The grim scene underscored fears Sunday's bloody assault on a stronghold of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr would plunge Iraq into another frenzy of sectarian killing.
Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said terrorists bent on igniting a civil war were taking advantage of a vacuum in authority caused by tangled negotiations to form a new government.
"The way in which this bloody act was conducted leaves us with no doubt that the terrorists have targeted this peaceful neighborhood in order to ignite civil strife and stoke the fire of civil war," Talabani said in a statement. "So, it is the duty of the political groups to accelerate efforts to form the government, and the armed forces and security bodies should act swiftly to eliminate such crimes.
Addressing reporters in the Shiite holy city of Najaf, the anti-American cleric al-Sadr avoided blaming Sunni Muslims for the attacks and appealed for unity Monday. He instead blamed feared terror group al-Qaida in Iraq and US forces...
Just another day at the office for the "religion of peace".
Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said terrorists bent on igniting a civil war were taking advantage of a vacuum in authority caused by tangled negotiations to form a new government. …
Addressing reporters in the Shiite holy city of Najaf, the anti-American cleric al-Sadr avoided blaming Sunni Muslims for the attacks and appealed for unity Monday. He instead blamed feared terror group al-Qaida in Iraq and US forces...
Posted by Rebecca at March 13, 2006 07:28 AM
Going by the “beneficiary-behind-the-crime” logic, we agree with Al-Sadr it is the Americans and their CIA baby Al-Qaeda that has caused the attack. How does forming the unity government avoid the sectarian bloodshed?
Islam does not approve of one Muslim killing another. To read some basic facts of Islam visit http://spaces.msn.com/deentech/
Islam does not approve of one Muslim killing another? Explain why they have been doing it for the last 1400 years. I hope they keep it up, it slows down the whole dominate the world plan. It also shows the world the true face of islam.
Not worth answering the troll, Ronin - the absurdity was self-evident.
I wonder how much more of this before even the MSM begins to realize that it has been kidding itself about the nature of Islam. This from Mark Steyn: Media shockingly ignorant of Muslims among us. Mark has, of course, been shockingly optimistic about the chances of democracy in places like this.
Just one HellFire up al-Sadr's ass and one for Mohideen as well.
you are all right it doesn't matter who did it or why, send more rope.
Journalists of the Friedman-level will no doubt make much of the easy symbolism here. Four American contractors in Fallujah, killed by Sunnis and hung (or two were) from pylons. Four Sunnis here, killed by Shi'a and displayed in similar fashion. And from that all sorts of cheap journalism -- this spells the change "from insurgency (!) to civil war." There's no stopping them, only mocking them in advance.
The latest report prepared by the American army, and described in The New Duranty Times yesterday, on Saddam Hussein's pre-war planning, describes him as much more concerned about losing control of the Shi'a in the south, and hesitating to blow up a bridge across the Euphrates (a bridge later used by the Americans) because he wanted to be able to send troops rapidly to that south).
This should be kept firmly in mind, as others start accusing the Americans of having, by inept policies, inadvertently caused the "civil war." It's nonsense. Civil war was unavoidable, just as soon as the Sunni despotism of Saddam Hussein was undone. It was unavoidable becuase the Shi'a have been treated terribly not only by Saddam Hussein, but by the Sunni Arab rulers during the entire history of modern Iraq. Even their physiques gives evidence of the malnutrition so many suffered from, while the oil of the south went to pay for the better life of the oil-less Sunnis, and for guns to keep Shi'a Arabs and Kurds in line, submissive to the "Ba'athist" justification for continued rule by the 20% of the population that was Sunni, with an admixture of others (Shi'a, Kurds, the odd Tariq-Aziz Christian) who could be persuaded, for a while, that Ba'athism in Iraq was not what it was -- rule according to a Sunni Friends-and-Family Plan (more ruthless, but akin to the military despotism of the Alawites in Syria, the Mubarak army regime in Egypt, the FLN army regime in Algeria, and the Al-Saud Family-and-Friends who rule "Our Thing," otherwise known as "Saudi" Arabia.
Apparently Saddam Hussein understood that the biggest threat, the inevitable threat, was that of Shi'a revolt against his Sunni (with a Ba'athist face) rule.
But the Americans didn't -- not until this report was prepared. And when it comes out we will all find out.
It was there all the time, the Sunni-Shi'a split. It was not going to go away because the likes of Paul Wolfowitz and Bernard Lewis (who in all his articles of 2002 and even into 2003 never mentioned the Sunni-Shi'a split, and kept predicting, as plausible, a future leader in -- Ahmad Chalabi) thought it would. The first is a a weapons-systems analyst whom Richard Pipes several years ago charged with not comprehending the importance of history, of failing to understand how culture molded men, and in so failing, having naive ideas about the possiblities of transformation of societies. What did Wolfowitz know in 2001 about Islam? Almost nothing. And where did he go for study of Islam, or of the history of Iraq? For the first, to Bernard Lewis and to acolytes of Lewis working in the Pentagon. For the second, to those nice Shi'a exiles, such as Ahmad Chalabi, who seemed so certain that the Americans would be greeted as liberators, and all manner of things would be well, once Saddam the monster had been overthrown. And why not? Weren't all the Iraqis Wolfowitz met more or less like Chalabi, secular, funny, well-educated, pro-American exiles, who represented the very best of Iraq (and so they did, and so they do -- the very best, the infinitesimally small very best).
That report will show that Sunnis killing Shi'a, because they know that they have to act now to squash the Shi'a or they will not get a chance later on (the Shi'a grow less submissive every day, and the training they are receiving from the Americans will be used to further Shi'a ends, not "Iraqi" ones), and Shi'a killing Sunnis (and after all they have endured, the only surprise should be how long-suffering they have been), so that Shi'a will kill Sunnis.
The civil war is both unavoidable and, from the American point of view, not to be avoided. Nothing needs to be done to encourage it. At the same time -- and this is what the Administration which cannot allow for any recognition that its assumptions were wrong, and cannot even allow itself to dimly recognize that despite its misunderstandings and misunderestimatings, it can pluck a kind of victory by allowing such a civil war to develop, a victory possibly not for its policies, but for Infidels, by exploiting the sectarian and ethnic fissures that are there to be exploited.
So who's side are you on? Are you going to stick with sticking it out and preventing civil war in Iraq, and keep shelling out hundreds of billions there, and have troops remain, as potential casulaties of both sides and potential hostages to Iran (and therefore naturally inhibiting any attack on Iran's nuclear facilities)? Do you want to do that, becasue you cannot bear to have Bush lose face?
Or, alternatively, do you want to have those troops leave, and let the civil war develop, at whatever level it will, and see if indeed its effects will alarm Sunnis and Shi'a outside, and draw resources from both sides, even if this means demonstrating that, in this most confused and strange and hard-to-keep-straight effort, the only victory can come from what would be, if we were to take seriously the rhetoric from Bush, a "defeat" but in fact will prove to be a great victory, if we define victory in the only senssible way -- a clear weakening, dividing, demoralizing, of the camp of Islam.
The Jihadwatch in http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010570.php#comments warns of a threat by Al-Qaeda on March 12, 2006. Quoting we have:
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WASHINGTON – Islamic websites yesterday posted a "last warning" warning by Rakan Ben Williams, who describes himself as an "al-Qaida undercover soldier" in the U.S., threatening two major operations designed to bring Americans "to your knees."
According to the Middle East Media Research Institute, the Global Islamic Media Front was responsible for posting the threat.
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From http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=106658&list=/home.php&
we find:
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Bogus news circulating through the “Intelligence” media including SITE Institute and MEMRI on pending Al-Qaeda attacks inside the United States sourced in a message by a purported Al-Qaeda undercover soldier Rakan Ben Williams shows both are disseminating propaganda for profit.
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We wound not have reacted to the above post in Jihadwatch but for the following in http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/12/AR2006031200598.html?sub=AR
We quote:
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The failure occurred about 2:30 p.m. at what appeared to be a seam in a pipe 20 inches in diameter on the east bank of the C&O Canal, beneath the approach to the bridge.
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The cause of the failure was not immediately known.
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"The whole freaking valve blew," said Kerry Payne of the emergency management office. "There was water everywhere."
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Could this be a remote bomb? Hardly. How can a bomb cause the whole valve to blow up. We suspect an attack by a linear interferometer, a QP weapon. Knowledgeable circles inform that Israel has QP weapons.
It is well known that the Zionists in Israel want the Zionists in America to abandon America and migrate to the ‘Holy Land.’ We suspect the whole episode of the threat by Rakan Ben Williams and the coincidental water disruption to Arlington adjoining the seat of US power to be the work of the Israel Zionists: two birds at one stone: terrorize the US Zionists to abandon USA while blaming the Muslims.
Allah alone knows the truth.
If we could just rid the world of Zionists, then Muslims wouldn't kill in the name of Allah. Man, what have I been thinking all these years...
Moose
Mohideen I keep quantum potential weapons in my truck just in case a muslim doesn't like my "support Denmark" bumper sticker. I think Colt invented them
Of course there is zero outrage in the loony toon world of Islam. Depictions of the phony prophet bring riots and burnings. But mass murder of Shi'ites brings a big yawn. Even from Shi'ite Iran which opens its big mouth about everything else.
That's why I have very little respect for Islam, it's a reflection of their false prophet Muhammad. This con artist has mislead one billion people who have learned to love to wallow in ignorance and superstition. Muhammad's concoction called Muhammadanism is much worse than the pagan cults he decimated
-Ronin
Did you order your QP weapons on that Illuminati site? You know the one (can't let anyone else read this post, let me synch up my crypto-transmo ring, just a sec...okay). Mine was handmade in Shambhala, with the vertical grip, Piccy rails,TeslaTuffCote® and, oh yeah, the sight that allows me to see Cthulu if he's phase-shifted. Came with a couple of coupons too. Buy one bagel, get one free at the Kabbalah Korner, recipes handed down from Solomon hisself. Zak the Zany Zionist'll also give you a good deal on a golem (30% off, one per customer); washes your car, makes sandwiches, breaks up pesky neighborhood pogroms, etc.
Moidheen says "We suspect the whole episode of the threat by Rakan Ben Williams and the coincidental water disruption to Arlington adjoining the seat of US power to be the work of the Israel Zionists: two birds at one stone: terrorize the US Zionists to abandon USA while blaming the Muslims.
Allah alone knows the truth".
Assalama laikum Mohideen. Seems like you know some of the truth too...personally I am not so sure about the israelis having a hand in this...but your dawa ...to educate the infidel is similar in concept to mine too and that is good.
I am muslim too and I am Ahamadi ...Alhamdadilla. As you know Ahamadi Islam is committed to dawa but only through peaceful means.
You miracle graphs are good but are lost on the ungrateful infidel. Only more muslims in Amrika will solve this problem and Insha-allah this will happen...muslims in Amrika need to increase the birthrate...spread this news to all muslim womens in Amrika..through your website.
But coming back to the thread....I know that the Amrikan did not blow up the golden mosque....the sunni did that...and that is bad for Islam...now the Amrikan can sit back and "enjoy" the show.
Indeed postees like "American" and "Ronin" have already said so.
Allah's flat earth is for the umma everywhere.Let us not fight amongst ourselves....the greater achievement is fulfill Allah's wish for Islam to become the dominant global ruler....let us pray and await the calipah....Insha-allah.
You can see why Naseem has not been banned. Nor her new friend.
They sound like soul-mates. Who says love can't blossom during jihad?
p.s. I would like to know the location of this Amrika place that Nas keeps mentioning. Can't find it on my round globe. Must be somewhere on her flat Islamic planet.
Masaa’ alkhayr Naseem, Kiif haalik ya sayyidati? It is always makes my day when you mention me. I’m just home for lunch and something told me to check for responses. I have some fond memories of my little trips into what we call “the box” most are hearing claxons and shortly thereafter the radio telling us to relax, it’s just red on red (muslim vs muslim). I have to give them credit no one can kill as many muslims as do other muslims. I guess the peace part of the religion can use a little work, much like your ability to spell America. Most muslims I knew pronounced it “Amirkiyya” but I think your nazi version suits you. I’m sure I am also butchering your native language as I’m trying to sound it out but it’s been awhile. Despite the large numbers of muslims in town I don’t spend much time chatting with them. If I did I would offer only one comment “ibqa khaarrijan”. I have to go back to work so, Bikhaatirkum.
There was an article in southasia news the other day that other Muslim groups in Indonesia are demanding that the Ahamadi stop calling themselves Muslims.
I would be watching my back were I Ahamadi.
http://www.westernresistance.com/
News from asianewsnet, quoting Malaysia's Straits Times, states that the Ahmadiyyah sect in
Indonesia, which has 200,000 members, has been ordered by hardline Muslim groups to
renounce its claims to be Muslim, if they do not wish to be harrassed and intimidated.
The Ahmadi have suffered discrimination from Muslims throughout the Muslim world. In
Bangladesh violent attacks on the community are made by groups affiliated with the Islami Oikya
Jote, one of the four parties in the coalition government.
In Pakistan, blasphemy laws introduced in 1986 forbid Ahmadiyyas from calling themselves
Muslim or to propagate their faith, under the penal code articles 298-B and 298-C. Breaches of
these rules carry a three year imprisonment.
In Saudi Arabia, they are regarded as heretics and are banned from visiting Mecca for the Hajj.
++++Sounds like to me if the calipath ever came to be the Ahmadi would be just another group of infidels.
The grim scene underscored fears Sunday's bloody assault on a stronghold of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr would plunge Iraq into another frenzy of sectarian killing.
+++sadar's group of thugs are responsible for quite a few deaths so Sunday's killings were just pay back. sadr would like Iraq to be another iran.
I know that the Amrikan did not blow up the golden mosque....the sunni did that...and that is bad for Islam...now the Amrikan can sit back and "enjoy" the show.
Posted by: Naseem at March 13, 2006 11:22 AM
Where does the buck stop? It must always stop at the hands of the Commander-in-Chief. As long as American soldiers are found on the Iraqi soil, the law and order is their baby. So, it is the American failure to protect the Golden Dome that is the root cause of the bloodshed.
From http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=529c8457-283e-4646-8197-c9b04113490c&k=19319 we quote:
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No group claimed responsibility, but suspicion fell on Sunni extremist groups like "al-Qaida in Iraq," led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
The Interior Ministry said four men, one wearing a military uniform and three in black, entered the mosque early Wednesday and detonated two bombs, one of which collapsed the dome into a crumbly mess and damaged part of the northern wall of the shrine.
Police said late Wednesday afternoon no casualties had been found. Earlier they believed people may have been buried under the debris.
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The crucial fact is that ‘no casualties had been found.’ Remember that this dome is a place of reverence and how come this place was empty when the explosion took place?
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/32911/ has the following:
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The explosive demolition of the golden dome was professionally done, with charges being set into holes drilled into each of the four pillars holding the dome up.
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Really!!! Which caused the collapse of the dome: bombs or charges filled into drilled holes? How come the place was deserted when the explosion happened? If indeed the charges were set into holes drilled in the pillars, the act of drilling holes must have been authorized. Who could authorize the repair to the pillars? Insurgents???
It is our understanding that the Americans or their supporters alone have authority to clear the space below the dome, and the fact that there were no casualties (including the 4 bombers) indicates official involvement: that of the Iraqi government and their masters, the Americans.
Mohideen & Naseem:
Please don't bother us while we're cleaning & oiling our John Wayne gear.
The Ahmadi have suffered discrimination from Muslims throughout the Muslim world.
Posted by: fireangel at March 13, 2006 01:08 PM
Our position is based on Tradition numbered 56 in Al-Tirmidhi collection, quoted below:
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Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: There will befall my Ummah exactly (all those) evils which befell the people of Isra'il, so much so that if there was one amongst them who openly committed fornication with his mother there will be among my Ummah one who will do that, and if the people of Isra'il were fragmented into seventy-two sects my Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects. All of them will be in Hell Fire except one sect. They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, which is that? Whereupon he said: It is one to which I and my companions belong.
Transmitted by Tirmidhi.
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It is possible that the Ahmadiyya are one of the seventy three sects. I believe I belong to another of the seventy three sects as I expect the Caliph to emerge whereas they have already identified a Caliph. The successful sect has Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, as a member. That sect was clearly known when Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was alive. Since we do not know which sect is the successful one it is prudent to be humble. This applies to differences between Shia and Sunni also. Peaceful co-existence is the only way forward. The only group that benefit by the anticipated civil war in Iraq are the occupiers.
"Where does the buck stop? It must always stop at the hands of the Commander-in-Chief. As long as American soldiers are found on the Iraqi soil, the law and order is their baby. So, it is the American failure to protect the Golden Dome that is the root cause of the bloodshed."
- Mohideen Ibramsha at March 13, 2006 01:31 PM
I think the real question is "what's your point?". You Mohammedans really need to get over the delusion that most of us Americans give a damn if one of your Qur'anian 'holy' sites is turned into a parking lot. Its called 'lip service'. Meaning "We don't care, but we'll tell you we do if it will get y'all to shut the hell up". And trust me, if we wanted to flatten your mosques...heh, you get the point.
Zarqawi's al-Qaedi in Iraq had the most to gain from the chaos resulting in bombing the Golden Domed Shi'ite mosque.
But the idolatrous and hysterical behavior... over a mere building... shows the schizoid nature of Islam: they say no earthly thing is sacred, but they then riot and kill over the loss of a mere gilded mosque.
Shameful. Hypocritical. Superstitious.
They would do better to look at the behavior of Buddhists worldwide when the Taliban destroyed the monumental Bamian Buddha statues.
Sadness at the demonstated insanity, but no thought of violence. Not over symbols.
Islam is still strangling in fugue-state idolatry.
And drunk on the power of terror.
Shameful.
Please, please declare victory and get out now, before the veneer of civilisation falls and all out civil war breaks out. Then our troops will be caught in the crossfire of Sunnis and Shi'ites, and the excuse will become that we are "morally responsible" for ending the civil war that "we started". We got rid of Saddam, we gave them democracy, it was a victory, now get us the h*ll out of there.
BTW, in watching Mohideen debating Naseem on JW, I am wondering where Rod Serling is hiding, I'm sure he's standing right behind me somewhere, narrating this episode of... The Twilight Zone. (cue music)
Somewhat OT:
So let me get this straight...Israel used a QP weapon to disrupt the water supply in Arlington? And this action is going to cause the Zionists (sic) to leave the US for the safety and security of Israel?
Let’s see...Rocket attacks vs. broken water mains. I think those wacky Israeli Zionists are going to have to kick it up a notch.
If we get a few more nuts in here we will be able to bake a fruitcake.
In a beautiful display of intra-Islam brother/sisterhood, Mohideen tried to explain to Naseem why the bloody discrimination against her Ahmadi sect is justified by quoting Al-Tirmidhi 56:
Sounds like y'all need to finish your 1400 year old cage-match before you start trying to convert us infidels. According to your own "prophet", there's a 72/73 = 98.63% chance that you'll be converting us to the wrong flavor of Islam, and we'll still burn in hell. Finish your fight to the death to figure out which one of you is right, then come back and talk to us.
I almost want to give poor Nas a break. I'm no shrink, but she/they seem(s) to exhibit a clear case of Stockholm Syndrome. Despite all the threats leveled against her/their subcult by the majority of Mohammedans, she/they not only stick with it, but defend it in an almost autistic manner. Like a little girl molested by her father, but refusing to say anything bad about 'Daddy'. Nas, its not that we hate you, we just don't give much of a damn about the whole lot of you unless y'all threaten us. Your fellow Qur'an bangers, they're the ones who'll blow you up when you're out walking your goat or donkey or whatever you people have instead of dogs. If I actually cared, I might think it sad.
-Mr. Ape Pig
Apparently you haven't heard. Let me enlighten you. See, the Zionists are in contact with the Saucer People that built the pyramids, you see. Now those pyramids are broadcasting 'Konfuzo Rays' into the brains of peaceful Mohammedans making them act all crazy like. As I mentioned in an earlier posting, I got my Kewpie gun from the Illuminati site, handbuilt in Shambhala, located in the high Himalayas, somewhere in the mysterious Orient. Now the Zionists (or 'Z-Men' if you prefer), you see, they...
Ah hell, just take their word for it, we're all out to get the Qur'anians.
Mohideen... Assalama Laikum,
Now come on, lets do this in public if you want to. I believe in Islam with all my heart...and by the sounds of it ...so do you.
But there are certain things that I don't belive in ...and I would like to think that a professor like you is also capable of seeing that.
For example ...getting 72 virgins in paradise if you kill innocents in the name of Allah (swt). That is an evil Imam inspired bit of crap.
Here's another..that you will go to paradise and all your previous sins will be forgiven provided you die in the service of Allah (swt).
I mean before dying for the cause....you could have eaten a pork sandwich....would that be allowed....That's another bit of crap written by the same evil imam.
They are good at manipulation...you have to see them for what they are.
Ahmadi are good muslims....we have an exellent spiritual leader...is he the Mahdi?...I believe not....but he is an exellent teacher.
I am (like you) waiting for the Calipah...let's not get into the semantics of 72/73 sects...you can see how stupid that sounds....just look at the comments from the readers to those comments....they laugh at us...we must not allow that to happen.
Islam has to mature....we cannot be hamstrung with 7th century syntax....we need to smarten up ...to compete and then surpass the infidel...we are not going to do that with arguments of syntax.
Mohideen, you need to agree with me (for the betterment of the ummah) in the face of intense infidel pressure that the Ahmadi make good educated muslims...say it and then let's debate the infidel ...and beat them at it.
Allah Hafiz
So THAT’S where all those Konfuzo Rays are coming from.
No wonder my mass-spectral algenometer has been going crazy. Better make sure my tin-foil hat is on extra tight!
Thanks for the clarification
Mohadeen and Naseem are funny enough standing alone, but together they are a comical riot. Who are they trying to educate??? Hugh? RS? Rebecca? Or any one of numerous posters here who have their Islamic act together. My chest hurts from laughing so hard...Do M and N actually think they are 'educating' someone? Allah is watching and knows how funny they are, and he is taking notes for future reference...
Always glad to part the mists of obfuscation and expose The PLAN.
Again and again I have to repeat, that the only way to deal with suicide bombers is, to feed the pigs with their corpses. A Mahometan, who knows, that he will end up in the stomach of a pig, never will dare such an attack. The Suicide bomber thinks, that with his action he will go to "paradise", but knowing, that after an attack his remains will be used as pig food, he will think twice, since that would deprive him from entering the "paradise". So his whole suicide "martyrdom" would be useless.He wouldn't do it then.
P.S Animal rights activists should not complain.
I know, Mahometan meat must be horrible.
My name is Ronin and I am an islamophobic. Where do I sign up for the 10 step plan to cure me? Help Naseem old wise one. Somehow I got the idea you people were a write off. Tell me one good thing about islam, just one. Maybe Mohideen knows something? Nah, didn't think so, still tring to fiqure out my pidgen arabic, lol.
InHocSignoVinces as the off spring of farmers I would never do that to a pig. I might consider use of dead pig parts but I'd never poison one with muslim blood.
According to your own "prophet", there's a 72/73 = 98.63% chance that you'll be converting us to the wrong flavor of Islam, and we'll still burn in hell.
Posted by: special_guest at March 13, 2006 02:25 PM
What a presumption! Where have we stated that each of the 73 sects shall be of the same size? The correct one is possibly the one that does not adhere to any classification but simply says, “We are Muslims, all of us.” What happens to your % if the correct sect is 9,784 out of every 10,000 Muslims and the other sects are just 3 out of 10,000 each? 72 x 3 = 216 + 9,784 = 10,000. For all that we know the correct sect of Muslims could be 97.84% of those who claim to be Muslims. Allah knows best.
Excellent point, the sects can't all be the same size because whichever one has the "moderates" hiding in it is extremely small. I have a better chance of meeting bigfoot than a moderate muslim. I hope you are right and 97.84% of you go somewhere, why wait? I heard France was nice, pro Islam even. Enjoy your trip, stop by for coffee before you go. America knows best.
Pull our troops back into safe and secure positions in Iraq and the ME, protect the Kurds and let the Sunnis and Shiites battle it out and hope that it spreads across Islam. If you are really intelligent and brave, launch multiple missiles at Iran from the waring areas in Iraq and blame it on the Sunnis. Fair is fair.
When you have the crazies fighting the crazies, everyone wins.
It will be good for Islam and the world.
This is starting to make more and more sense with each passsing day. Muslims killing Muslims. Why should we be losing soldiers when we could allow the Sunnis and the Shiites to fight it out and give them some incentives to crush each other such as the winner gets Iraq.
This will work, just run it up the flag pole.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
Posted by: Texican at March 13, 2006 07:55 PM
Texican let my buddies get home and away then let them fight it out. Once it starts it will be impossible to leave safely.
I'm just thinking 'well, if there are two groups of people who really want to kill each other, it would be best to get the innocent bystanders into safety and leave the killers to each other'. I think that about gang violence, muslim sects and various other violent groups.
The problem is those innocent bystanders...
islam has never invented/or added anything for the good of mankind.just how/and what can you possibly compete with us?
Posted by: patriot2 at March 13, 2006 10:56 PM
What about overcoming the ‘fear of death’?
Thanks patriot2....overcoming the fear of death indeed.....what an absolute pillock.
Also all those supposed sects of this evil nasty cult....personally don't give a toss how many there are, they are all putrid The time will come when the REAL god decides to annihilate the lot of them.......not holding my breath though maybe have to do it ourselves.
Could naseem and mohideen give each other their email addresses so that they can continue their frivolous discussions somewhere else.
Although, I suppose they're good for a laugh
Mohideen says "Where have we stated that each of the 73 sects shall be of the same size? The correct one is possibly the one that does not adhere to any classification but simply says, “We are Muslims, all of us.”
Mohideen .....“We are Muslims, all of us.” That's absolutely brillinat...music to my ears.
Can you confirm now that based on this statement you agree that the Ahmadi are officially muslims?
How stupid does it get?
"...What about overcoming the ‘fear of death’?..."
What kind of a queer and perverted mind comes up with s#*t like that! It just goes to show: Islam is a death-cult, a blood-cult, a murder and terror-cult, no more, no less!
The most worthless, parasitic creed in the history of the world prides itself in having 'overcome the fear of death...' This from a guy in the autumn of his years who claims to be a computer 'professor'...
How the hell did you slip into the US of A, Mohideen?
Can you confirm now that based on this statement you agree that the Ahmadi are officially muslims?
Posted by: Naseem at March 14, 2006 04:59 AM
Let us consider the contents of http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=sunder+Covenant&chapter=&translator=2&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
Quoted below:
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The words "sunder Covenant" appear in 2 verse(s) in Quran in Yusuf Ali translation.
(1) Those who break Allah.s Covenant after it is ratified, and who sunder what Allah Has ordered to be joined, and do mischief on earth: These cause loss (only) to themselves.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #27)
(2) But those who break the Covenant of Allah, after having plighted their word thereto, and cut asunder those things which Allah has commanded to be joined, and work mischief in the land;- on them is the curse; for them is the terrible home!
( سورة الرعد , Ar-Rad, Chapter #13, Verse #25)
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The Muslims are one community. We have no permission to break the community. So, one group calling itself ‘Ahmadi’ leading to a break in the community as ‘non-Ahmadi’ and ‘Ahmadi’ is not permitted.
Likewise, we do not recognize the label ‘Ahmadi.’ We do not recognize the labels ‘Hanafi’, ‘Shafee’, ‘Hambali’, ‘Malikee’, or any other label. The different Imams like Hanafi have done great service to the cause of Islam. Their teachings are to be read, understood and followed when they do not contradict Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
How the hell did you slip into the US of A, Mohideen?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 14, 2006 09:00 AM
I joined the Framingham State College, Massachusetts, US of A as Associate Professor, Computer Science. I did not slip into the US of A.
From http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=sustenance+measure+knowledge&chapter=&translator=2&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
We have:
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The words "sustenance measure knowledge" appear in 1 verse(s) in Quran in Yusuf Ali translation.
(1) Allah enlarges the sustenance (which He gives) to whichever of His servants He pleases; and He (similarly) grants by (strict) measure, (as He pleases): for Allah has full knowledge of all things.
( سورة العنكبوت , Al-Ankaboot, Chapter #29, Verse #62)
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God Almighty has provided sustenance for me inside the US of A as of now. God Almighty shall move me out of the US of A as and when my sustenance moves out. I leave it to Allah SWT.
Mohideen, Assalma Laikum,
It is not my wish to contradict a fellow knowledgeable muslim.
First you say that "we are all muslim"....then in the next breath you talk about "having no right to break up the muslim community"....so which one is it buddy!
WHY am I being denied my Allah given right to be a muslim! This is the right of all humans....even bretheren of the Kaffur who turn to Islam are treated better than Ahmadi....and yet the Ahmadi contribute so much to Islam.
1) Because we believe in the earlier suras (you know the more peaceful ones) we give meaning to the sentence "Islam is a nation of peace & tolerance...this can be directly arttributed to Ahmadi".
2) Ahmadi are amongst the most educated of the muslim. You need us and we need Allah (swt)...do not shut us out....we are not doing mischief as others would have you believe.
Mohideen, don't just quote suras...think for yourself too...Ahmadi are 10million in number....we need the love and light of Islam...do not throw us asunder.
Please tell the infedel here...that Ahmadi are muslim....like you the sunni & the shia.
We are awaiting the calipah like you....tell them now!
Ahmadi are 10million in number....we need the love and light of Islam...do not throw us asunder.
Posted by: Naseem at March 14, 2006 11:21 AM
Alhamdhulillah! May Allah SWT increase your number!
All I am asking is, please call yourselves Muslim; do not call yourselves by a different name.
In your web site (http://www.alislam.org ) you claim that Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad is the fifth Caliph. If so, how are you awaiting the Caliph?
The definition of a Muslim is indirectly given in http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=obligatory+obey+Muhammad&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
Quoted below:
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Narrated Abu Ma'bad,: (the slave of Ibn Abbas) Allah's Apostle said to Muadh when he sent him to Yemen, "You will go to the people of the Scripture. So, when you reach there, invite them to testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and that Muhammad is His Apostle. And if they obey you in that, tell them that Allah has enjoined on them five prayers in each day and night. And if they obey you in that tell them that Allah has made it obligatory on them to pay the Zakat which will be taken from the rich among them and given to the poor among them. If they obey you in that, then avoid taking the best of their possessions, and be afraid of the curse of an oppressed person because there is no screen between his invocation and Allah." (Book #24, Hadith #573) Sahih Al-Bukhari
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In addition to the above, a Muslim is required to fast during the month of Ramadan. However, some need not fast, like the sick who give food to others in lieu of their fasting. Performing Hajj is mandatory only on those who are capable of doing so. Thus, the conditions listed in the Tradition above alone are mandatory for every Muslim.
You are Muslim as per the above definition given by Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Why seek the endorsement of someone else?
you couldnt get an eduacation in your own country.
Posted by: patriot2 at March 14, 2006 10:02 AM
I came to teach. I completed all my education in India. As regards the events that take place on the Day of Judgment, we have our scriptures. Please do not comment on matters beyond your comprehension.
Mohideen says "All I am asking is, please call yourselves Muslim; do not call yourselves by a different name".
Mohideen what do you call yourself...Sunni....Shia come on be honest.
And if you do call yourself one of them ....why?
Why is it goodenough for you to be a sunni/shia but not ok for me to be Ahmadi?
I must understand this prior to making life changing decisions.
patriot2 ....
get some spelling lessons ...
and then
get stuffed.
Mohideen what do you call yourself...Sunni....Shia come on be honest.
Posted by: Naseem at March 14, 2006 02:23 PM
Dear Naseem,
Assalaamu Alaikum. I call myself a Muslim. I want to follow the Holy Quran and the authentic Traditions. Please see topic 7: Consistency: Ever present test of authenticity in my blog http://spaces.msn.com/deentech/
We respect the earlier teachers; however, we do not take the Traditions listed by them as consistent unless we could verify so. Inshah Allah, I hope to report one inconsistent Tradition listed in Sunan Abu Dawood soon in my blog. Let us not divide ourselves. Let us all call ourselves as Muslim only, Inshah Allah.
what is suppossed to be proof of?
Posted by: patriot2 at March 14, 2006 05:53 PM
The picture displayed in http://spaces.msn.com/deentech/ is one of the many proofs of the divinity of the Holy Quran.
Calligraphy is a very respected and popular art in the Islamic world. The picture is the composite of two pictures: the green picture is the word ‘Allah’ while the blue picture is the word ‘Muhammad.’
Must be true because Mohideen says so, he wouldn't lie to us now, would he Mohideen?
And yes, if it 'proofs' anything at all, it is that Mohammed and 'Allah' is the same thing, is it not? 'Allah' is Mohammeds invention and you are his willing slave...
"...He who fights in Allah's cause as long as the time between two milkings of a she-camel will be assured of Paradise..."
Have you been milking your 'she-camel' again today, Mohideen?
it is that Mohammed and 'Allah' is the same thing, is it not?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 14, 2006 09:52 PM
Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, is the vicegerent of Allah. ALLAH is the Creator and Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, is the created object. ALLAH is the Master and Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, is the slave of Allah.
Deep breath, Mohideen. In....out.... And uh, don't forget to wipe away the froth from around your mouth. Mohammedans surely do get themselves worked up into a lather.
Mohideen....I told you your miracle graph proofs would be wasted on the ungratful infedel.
Better to tell the Amerikan muslim population to increase the birthrate so that more Amerikan muslims can appreciate them.
You are a learned muslim and far be it for me to correct you ....but I prefer to say that Mohd (pbuh) was a humble servent of Allah (swt) and not his slave.
Insha-Allah you will not object to this correction, the word slave has dark connations and open to contextiual misuse...particularly by the infidel.
I have been on this site for over two years...and you musn't make the mistake of underestimating the Infedel.
But Alhamdulillah they keep underestimating the faith and peace within Islam.
Allah Hafiz
'Proof is in the pudding', Mohideen!
Unfortunately, Mohammed didn't have any pudding for his followers, so he made them drink camel-piss.
Have you tried it, Mohideen? What does it do?
And do you always wash the 'jinns' out of your nose in the morning?
I prefer to say that Mohd (pbuh) was a humble servent of Allah (swt) and not his slave.
Posted by: Naseem at March 15, 2006 05:02 AM
Dear Naseem,
Assalaamu Alaikum.
Let us not modify Islam to please or to induce a non-Muslim to Islam. Our duty is to simply convey the Message and it is up to Allah SWT to tune the hearts.
We find in http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=messenger+slave+torah&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
the following Tradition:
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Narrated Ata bin Yasar: I met Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As and asked him, "Tell me about the description of Allah's Apostle which is mentioned in torah (i.e. Old Testament.") He replied, 'Yes. By Allah, he is described in torah with some of the qualities attributed to him in the Quran as follows: "O Prophet ! We have sent you as a witness (for Allah's True religion) And a giver of glad tidings (to the faithful believers), And a warner (to the unbelievers) And guardian of the illiterates. You are My slave and My messenger (i.e. Apostle). I have named you "Al-Mutawakkil" (who depends upon Allah). You are neither discourteous, harsh nor a noise-maker in the markets and you do not do evil to those who do evil to you, but you deal with them with forgiveness and kindness. Allah will not let him (the Prophet) die till he makes straight the crooked people by making them say: "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah," with which will be opened blind eyes and deaf ears and enveloped hearts." (Book #34, Hadith #335) (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
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The above Tradition is confirmed by
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=+worshipped+taught&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all which has:
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Narrated Ibn Mas'ud: Allah's Apostle taught me the Tashah-hud as he taught me a Sura from the Quran, while my hand was between his hands. (Tashah-hud was) all the best compliments and the prayers and the good things are for Allah. Peace and Allah's Mercy and Blessings be on you, O Prophet! Peace be on us and on the pious slaves of Allah, I testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and I also testify that Muhammad is Allah's slave and His Apostle. (We used to recite this in the prayer) during the lifetime of the Prophet , but when he had died, we used to say, "Peace be on the Prophet." (Book #74, Hadith #281) (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
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These Traditions also expound the fact that the Muslims accept all Prophets, peace be upon them.
Allah knows best.
Have you tried it, Mohideen? What does it do?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 15, 2006 06:41 AM
No. But I had been taking the black cumin seed alone as medicine from 1985 as per the following Tradition found in http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=cumin+drop&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
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Narrated Khalid bin Sad: We went out and Ghalib bin Abjar was accompanying us. He fell ill on the way and when we arrived at Medina he was still sick. Ibn Abi 'Atiq came to visit him and said to us, "Treat him with black cumin. Take five or seven seeds and crush them (mix the powder with oil) and drop the resulting mixture into both nostrils, for 'Aisha has narrated to me that she heard the Prophet saying, 'This black cumin is healing for all diseases except As-Sam.' Aisha said, 'What is As-Sam?' He said, 'Death." (Book #71, Hadith #591) (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
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Mohideen:
"...Narrated Ata bin Yasar: I met Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As and asked him, "Tell me about the description of Allah's Apostle which is mentioned in torah (i.e. Old Testament.") He replied, 'Yes. By Allah, he is described in torah with some of the qualities attributed to him in the Quran as follows: "O Prophet ! We have sent you as a witness (for Allah's True religion) And a giver of glad tidings (to the faithful believers), And a warner (to the unbelievers) And guardian of the illiterates..."
This is about one illiterate Arab talking to another, is it not?
There is nothing, absolutely nothing in the Torah or in the OT (or in any other scriptures, including Hindu & Buddhist) other than warnings about false prophet-pretenders like Mohammed. ( I remember one line about a 'wild man like an ass who will have his hand against everyone...!)
Thus the lies about 'scriptures being corrupted' etc.
A prophet makes prophecies. Mohammed made NONE.
He was a false prophet, end of story.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing in the Torah or in the OT (or in any other scriptures, including Hindu & Buddhist) other than warnings about false prophet-pretenders like Mohammed.
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 15, 2006 09:56 AM
Oh really! Why don’t you read http://saif_w.tripod.com/interfaith/hinduism/kalki_avatar.htm in which it is given:
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Pundit Vaid Parkash is a Brahman Hindu and a well known Sanskrit scholar and research worker. Pundit Vaid Parkash, after a great deal of toil and hard-work, presented the work to as many as eight great Pundits who are themselves very well known in the field of research in India, and are amongst the learned religious leaders.
Their Pundits, after thorough study of the book, have acknowledged this to be true and authentic research work. Important religious books of India mention the guide and prophet by the specific name of "Kalki Autar" it denotes the great man Muhammed (saw) who was born in Makkah. Hence, all Hindus where-ever they may be, should wait no longer for any other 'kalki autar' but to embrace Islam and follow in the footsteps of the last Messenger of Allah (swt) who was sent in the world about fourteen hundred years ago with a mission from Him and after accmplishing it has long ago departed this world.
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A prophet makes prophecies. Mohammed made NONE.
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 15, 2006 09:56 AM
Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, has prophesied about the most important event, the Day of Judgment. From http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=compete+buildings&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
we find:
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Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established (1) till two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, (2) till about thirty Dajjals (liars) appear, and each one of them will claim that he is Allah's Apostle, (3) till the religious knowledge is taken away (by the death of Religious scholars) (4) earthquakes will increase in number (5) time will pass quickly, (6) afflictions will appear, (7) Al-Harj, (i.e., killing) will increase, (8) till wealth will be in abundance ---- so abundant that a wealthy person will worry lest nobody should accept his Zakat, and whenever he will present it to someone, that person (to whom it will be offered) will say, 'I am not in need of it, (9) till the people compete with one another in constructing high buildings, (10) till a man when passing by a grave of someone will say, 'Would that I were in his place (11) and till the sun rises from the West. So when the sun will rise and the people will see it (rising from the West) they will all believe (embrace Islam) but that will be the time when: (As Allah said,) 'No good will it do to a soul to believe then, if it believed not before, nor earned good (by deeds of righteousness) through its Faith.' (6.158) And the Hour will be established while two men spreading a garment in front of them but they will not be able to sell it, nor fold it up; and the Hour will be established when a man has milked his she-camel and has taken away the milk but he will not be able to drink it; and the Hour will be established before a man repairing a tank (for his livestock) is able to water (his animals) in it; and the Hour will be established when a person has raised a morsel (of food) to his mouth but will not be able to eat it." (Book #88, Hadith #237) (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
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The tallest hundred buildings built from 1930 till 2004 are listed in http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001338.html
Are the people not competing in building the ‘tallest building’?
More 'mo-gic' instead of logic, Mohideen!
From your posting further above:
"...Going by the “beneficiary-behind-the-crime” logic, we agree with Al-Sadr it is the Americans and their CIA baby Al-Qaeda that has caused the attack.."
Would you please explain how exactly the Americans "are beneficiary-behind-the-crime?" Do you really believe any American in his right mind wants to be in an Islamic s*#thole like Iraq to benefit from what?
"Kalki Autar" doesn't sound anything like "Mohammed" and no amount of Mohammedan lies can change that fact. Hindus know better and view Mohammedans as lunatics and traitors to their nation, which they are. The mass-killing of 70 to 80 million Hindus during mughal rule is not forgotten, neither are the atrocious mosques which have been built on the rubble of the razed Hindu-temples.
You are most likely going to see more Hindu-temples in India and less filthy mosques and hateful 'clerics' in the future, Mohideen.
So Mohammed 'prophesied' tall buildings, did he Mohideen?
Has it ever occurred to you that humans by nature are competitive and each and every one wants to have the biggest this and the biggest that?
Mankind has build tall structures long before your marauding, raping, child-molesting, mass-murdering bandit-chief Mohammed came along.
Mankind has build tall structures long before … Mohammed came along.
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 15, 2006 05:26 PM
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/skyscraperhistory.html has the following:
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The desire to build big is nothing new. … Some of the most dramatic buildings of the past include the pyramids in Egypt, the skinny towers stretching towards the sky in Italian hill towns, and the gothic cathedrals of France. … the height of these buildings was limited by how massive and heavy they had to be at the base.
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Two developments in the 19th century paved the way for a whole new type of building: the skyscraper.
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Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him lived during the seventh century some twelve centuries before the breakthroughs in building technology took place.
"...Two developments in the 19th century paved the way for a whole new type of building: the skyscraper..."
Yes: We build skyscrapers and we build great big jet-planes to get us from A to B. (And we invented the wheel long before that)
Mohammedans never built a f*^#ing thing: They destroy jet-planes by flying them into the tallest buildings in the name of a false god named 'Mohammad' , a pervert who invented 'Allah...'
That's why Mo's followers and his apologists gotta go...
Sooner is better!
Mohammedans never built a f*^#ing thing
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 16, 2006 05:32 AM
Don’t evade the issue: Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, had indeed prophesied the competition between the different nations building skyscrapers. In the above unsavory posting you are diverting the attention.
In any case, a google search on – mining minesweeper iraq land – yielded the following URL
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:XmgHi8qLq2QJ:www.jihadunspun.com/newsarchive/+mining+minesweeper+iraq+land&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=17
In the above URL we find:
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Feb 22, 2006 Mining The Mine Sweeper
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If I am not wrong, that was a video clip released by the Iraqi Mujahideen of the destruction of a minesweeper by an IED buried by them and they captured on the video the destruction of the minesweeper.
Who built that IED to fool the minesweeper?
"Who built that IED to fool the minesweeper?"
-Mohideen Ibramsha at March 16, 2006 08:56 AM
The Germans and Russians invented them in WWII, that's who. Lay off the Qur'an for a little while and read a real history book. Malicious Mo did not envision the skyscraper and Mohammedan terrorists didn't invent the nonmetallic bomb. I am so tired of you people stealing credit for everything everyone else has done to cover up for the fact that you bunch of religious fanatics have never done a damned thing positive for the world. Lying and stealing is the Mohammedan way. Your own viscious warlord progenitor said as much. And by the way, people were trying to build structures taller than their neighbors' long before Mo the oxygen thief showed up. And please don't offer up any more of your religious crap as "proof" to the contrary. Something you can't prove cannot be used as proof for something else. Someone who claims to be a teacher should know better than that.