The imam Ahmed Akkari, not content with stirring up international cartoon rage, has now issued death threats against a Muslim politician in Denmark whom he does not deem sufficiently Islamic. From Reuters, with thanks to all who sent this in:
COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - Danish police will launch an investigation into allegations that an imam at the centre of the Prophet Mohammad cartoon row issued death threats against a moderate Muslim politician, a spokesman said on Thursday.At least 50 people have been killed in protests in Asia, Africa and the Middle East after Danish paper Jyllands-Posten published 12 cartoons about the Prophet last year.
A French TV documentary crew secretly filmed Imam Ahmed Akkari threatening to have Naser Khader -- a founder of Denmark's Democratic Muslims network, which opposes violent protests over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad -- bombed.
No doubt they filmed him out of context.
Christians say "I will die for what I believe", because they have the example of Jesus Christ crucified. Muslims say "I will kill you if you do not believe as I do" becuase they have a false prophet and a false consrtuct of who Jesus is.
Check his turban.
To admit one Muslim into your country is to admit them all
A fascinating and horrifying new insight into the meaning of Muslim immigration popped up this week at the Brussels Journal:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/773
Jyllands-Posten wondered whether this was still possible in a country with a Muslim minority. It found out that when a country has let in a Muslim minority it has let in the Muslim majority from the rest of the globe. Today Muslim radicals set the Middle East on fire, bullying their religious minorities, because we dare to “disrespect” them, our religious minority (which our political leaders have so foolishly allowed to enter our countries), by printing mild cartoons in our newspapers.
All these imams, in the USA,Denmark,England,Iran,Afganastan, and outher countries. Makes me wonder if people are listining. All they preach is hate. And death to the infidel.
I think the mullahs/imams need to be held accountable for their hateful and inciteful speech. Zero Tolerance. If an Imam is caught doing so, instant deportation on the chage of sedition. No bail no appeals, stamp their documents UNDESIREABLE IN THE WEST, put them on a no-travel list and send them home. For good and all. We don't need them, we don't want them. It's time to put an end to this experiment and call it what it is. They can't be trusted as neighbors or guests, and as for native born extremists they get a visa stamped ONE WAY to the Islamic country of their choice. And Buh'BY!!
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Great article by David Warren on the "palestinians"
Jericho
http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/index.php?artID=585
He said it was 'meant as a joke'. This from a man who can't tolerate even a mild cartoon of his prophet.
But these recent news items of muslims attacking apostates and moderates have given me some hope: that kind of behaviour will surely separate the wheat from the chaff, force truly moderate muslims and ex-muslims to take a stance against islamists?
Lili,
Will not and can not happen. Are you familiar with our friend Mohideen who posts here from time to time? He claims to be a moderate, does not believe in violent Jihad, and actually once claimed that we were playing into the Jihadist hands. But as Mohideen post more and more, and is ever-increasingly challenged, Mohideen's moderate Islam is still one which must dominate.
Although Mohideen himself never advocated use of force before, but just yesterday in the the thread about the Afghan apostate wrote this:
Even our previously peaceful Mohideen advocates the death penealty for apostates.
penalty (frickin' keyboard again)
Lisa, I should have specified: by 'moderate' I mean only muslims who believe in a secular state, human rights and freedom of speech.
... by 'moderate' I mean only muslims who believe in a secular state, human rights and freedom of speech.
Lili, I was in Boulder on business just the other day. Drooling dazed and confused acid burnouts begging for money isn't the direction we need to go.
When you capture a devout Moslem specimen who truly belives in a secularist state, human rights, and freedom of speech, you bring that Unicorn out to my hog farm and we'll administer the requisite DNA tests and evaluate the situation at that time based on the lab results.
Transcript of a TV interview with the Danish Iman who spread the Cartoon story to the ME and also admits to adding additional Cartoons that were NOT included in the original publishing. He has just been exposed making bomb threats against a Danish politician by a secret camera recording. Dont know about you but I smell the stink of Muslim HYPOCRISY in his every word especially as he tries to weasel word 'it was only a joke'.
Interviewer: Akkari, I would like to begin this with reading to you a quote: "If he becomes the Minister of Foreigners or Integration, why don't we send out two guys to blow up him and his ministry?" who spoke those words?
Akkari: I don't recall saying anything either in jest or in earnest. If it happened, it is regrettable and a very crude jest, which I immediately and at once want to express my regrets for and distance myself from.
Interviewer: What is it you find jesting about those words?
Akkari: Perhaps there isn't anything funny about them. It's more sarcastic and out of proportions in a light-hearted context... And it's very unfortunate that something like that is taken seriously because there's no intent there, at all.
Interviewer: But what might make you - in jest - threaten to murder a prominent Danish politician?
Akkari: Our tongues can, all of us, run to the right or to the left and I think that's what happened in very simple circumstances where there's been a slightly humourous situation... and talked a bit to the right or to the left about something funny.
Interviewer: Do we agree that it is serious to threaten a Danish politician with murder?
Akkari: I will write him a letter to insure him that it wasn't the intent at all... and that I have eh... never wished nor do I wish... I take strong exception to anyone who would plan or think of something like that... Whether it's in jest or in earnest, it's totally reprehensible.
Interviewer: What's your comment on having been reported to the police?
Akkari: Eeehh... I don't think that anything... comes from that because it's something that's totally unserious and something that's... I take exception to in the most direct way and I also assure Naser that it isn't something he was meant by.
Interviewer: But if you're saying that you've acted in an irresponsible manner here, how do you imagine Danish Moslems and the Danish population in general respecting you and taking you serious in the future as spokesman for Moslems in Denmark?
Akkari: One thing is what one usually says, another thing is that... anyone can err - we are human, have that as something we were built with that that error may happen so people will have to judge by the whole and not by such a single, unique rather unconcentrated situation in a car where there's a lot of loose talk.
Interviewer: The last couple of days, I have several times asked you whether you could give me any guarantees that what you're saying in front of the camera is the same as you're saying in the nooks while talking to your Moslem brothers. What do you think of the fact that you, time upon time, have told me that you could guarentee that - you weren't one to talk with a forked tongue, that you're reliable, that you have but one message: Peace and reconciliation?
Akkari: Eeeh... All people joke about certain things eeeehh... which they usually don't support... eeeh... or normally say - express that that is their position. I think that's what happened - there's come a serious, crude joke which is no more. I have rejected it and taken clear exception to it. It's nothing I in any way have any intent of doing.
Interviewer: Do you think you can continue on as spokesman for the Islamic Faith Community of Denmark?
Akkari: I think the line is clear and there's nothing to mix up with this. So.. eh, yes I don't see that it's a problem, what's happened.
Interviewer: But isn't it hard to have a serious, respected spokesman who goes around and, in jest, threatens to murder Danish politicians?
Akkari: No, because I have threatened to kill nobody and this has been a completely unacceptable situation.
Interviewer: But how do you explain that it happens, that you're sitting in the company of another Imam and an undercover journalist crack that kind of joke. What makes you crack such a joke?
Akkari: I think it's been a rather light-hearted situation where people have been talking right and left, and then one can sometimes overdo it in describing a catastrophe, or a problem. So I think that's all that's been the meaning of that.
Interviewer: Will there, in the future, be uncovered other quotes where you maybe have threatened other Danish politicians or said anything else, that might contravene your official position of peace and reconciliation?
Akkari: I think that all my official an unofficial positions are of the same cloth, but both you and everybody else can sometimes say and use some words which they normally don't.. approve of or really mean in conditions of light-heartedness and... I don't drink [alcohol] but others do and the things one say when there's a light-hearted mood, that is what happens.
Interviewer: But have you made other, similar, remarks where you've threatened to kill other Danish politicians or doing something similarly radical?
Akkari: I couldn't even remember the reference to that, before you mention it, so I don't think I have said it, and if I have said that then I take exception to myself and those statements - if there's something to it - where my tongue was faster than my brain in such a special situation.
Interviewer: How do you think the Danish people should view you after these statements - in jest - about killing a Danish politician?
Akkari: It's not statements about killing a Danish politician. And I think the people have more reason and sense to understand these kinds of things than one would think.
Interviewer: So you're certain that the Danish people will forgive what you call an innocent joke?
Akkari: That's up to them, but I am sure that people see that this isn't anything to be taken seriously at all.
[Camera changes, interviewer out of picture. Ahmed Akkari seen being interviewed]
Akkari: We have made satire and poked fun at many things and...
[Camera changes back]
Interviewer: Do you understand that it might be hard for Danes to accept that it's not okay to make caricatures of Muhammed, but that it's okay to threaten - in jest - to kill a Danish politician?
Akkari: That's a wrong conclusian and comparison to make of this.
Interviewer: Isn't it very natural? You've been very angry, very offended that your prophet has been offended, but now you've - in jest - threatened to kill a politician. How do you think Naser Khader feels today?
Akkari: I hope he feels only safe because we all know that stuff like this is ridiculous and not acceptable. Good.
[Camera moves, another journalist moves in]
Interviewer 2: You were confronted with your statement...
[time lapse in interview]
Akkari: ... recorded it, then I must have said it, otherwise I wouldn't remember it.
Interviewer 2: So you DID say it?
Akkari: If they can document it with a tape, it must have been said, I can't say more than that.
[another journalist]
Interviewer 3: Do you doubt that you've said it? Because they write..
Akkari: Yes, I do. But I don't have...
[time lapse again, original journalist back in the game]
Interviewer: How do you think your threats against Naser Khader affect the situation for Danish Moslems?
Akkari: I don't think they have to affect anything, because if we have a public who understand things in proportions, nothing will happen, but if one is very narrow-minded, I do understand how...
Interviewer: But don't you think you've hurt the cause of Moslems in Denmark by threatening to kill a Danish politician?
Akkari: No, I don't think that will happen, because, as I have said, it's something that's.. a unique situatio
What I have to know is how often does this guy have to be caught with his hands in the cookie jar up to his shoulders before the Danish government does the decent thing and hands him a long, long stretch as a guest of His Danish Majesty? Or put him on the first plane to Ulan Bator or anywhere? Mr.Fogh Rasmussen may have more backbone than most, but he still seems willing to allow clerics to say almost anything with no consequences.
The Imam Ahmed Akkari is a troublemaker.
The Rascal Imam!
Yes! Terrorize them with the hidden cam!
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I could image that this whole thing with the cartoons has gone to Mr. Akkari's head. He just managed to get every leader in the Islamic world yelling at the West and every Muslim from every corner of the earth out protesting in the streets in a murderous rage.
But when we were being asked to be responsible with our 'freedom of speech' – it was acceptable to them to incite murder and to kill.
We were then asked to 'appease' Islam more in Europe – but the last time we appeased anything like this - was with Hitler and his Nazi regime.
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Was this man a refugee? How did he come to live in Europe?
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We have to close the borders to these types. We did not create this mentality. But it is being used against us in our own countries.
In a comment on the Christian convert case in Afghanistan Nasser Khader said: "This just goes to show that the only place where Sharia law would be acceptable is on Mars. Provided there's no life up there."
I guess that would make him a moderate Muslim in my eyes. In the eyes of pious Danish imams like Ahmed Akkari and Abu Laban, however, Nasser Khader is an apostate. In a recent sermon Abu Laban even called him a rat.
And yes, Akkari and Laban and the others who went on the infamous tour of the Middle East have already been reported to the police for harming the country. The problem in Akkari's case is, that he has obtained Danish citizenship so the only way to kick him out would be to prove that he got his citizenship under false pretenses.
Kid Akkari headlines Cartoon-a-pa-looza Tour II. Riots in a city near you.
Lisa:
What do you mean when you reply to Lilli thusly?
"Will not and can not happen. Are you familiar with our friend Mohideen..."
Mohideen is no moderate. He's a true believer.
As for Muslims speaking out against violent fundamentalists, it is happening. Naser Khader is a secular Muslim who decided to get off the sidelines and try to gather the predominently secular Muslim population of Denmark specifically because of the Cartoon Jihad. Then there's Wafa Sultan literally putting her life on the line on Al-Jazeera by rebuking some grizzled Islamic theologian for the teaching of Muslim supremacy and the creation of terrorists. And there are lesser known stories, like one in Vancouver last year where a number of members of a particular mosque denounced their imam for vitriolic sermons against Jews and had him removed.
No telling what the outcome will be of the Afghan convert to Christianity who is facing a death sentence for apostacy, but we may finally be seeing the dawning of change as lights are being shone upon the real nature of Islam and oily little creeps like Mohideen, who is only hear to practice taquiya.
"Obtained his citizenship under false pretences?" Well, Morten, I imagine that a new-made Danish citizen must, like his counterparts in Britain or America, swear allegiance to his new sovereign and to the laws of the country. This creep has been trying to damage his country abroad, by injurious lies as well as demagoguery, and has been caught breaking the law (surely there are Danish laws against threats and incitement?) at home. A little more effort would undoubtedly uncover damning evidence of serious plans to subvert Danish law and import Sharia. What more do you need?
From the pit of my stomach to the bottom of the porcelain bowl, words can not describe my feelings towards our collective passivity in the face of this enemy.
From the pit of my stomach to the bottom of the porcelain bowl, words can not describe my feelings towards our collective passivity in the face of this enemy.
"Was this man a refugee? How did he come to live in Europe?"
-Pass It On at March 24, 2006 05:42 AM
This seems to be a problem re Western immigration policies. Too many nations have a problem differentiating between someone forced to flee their homeland because of persecution for who or what they are and individuals chased out of their country for promoting violence and being seditious jackasses. This tends to be a particular problem when dealing with Mohammedan 'refugees'. Many move to the west to avoid poverty at home. Poverty is not persecution, despite what Marxists want to think. These people tend to make up the rank-and-file of the demographic jihad. Others prove to be such a pain in the a.. that their home governments throw them out rather than kill them due to the fact that they are fellow Mohammedans and the rabble rousers' followers might get uppity. I don't know which category this clown falls into, and to say what I think should be done about him would probably just be preaching to the esteemed choir on this site.
P.s. Everyone hear about the American soldier (hu-ah!) charged with scaring Mohammedans at Abu Ghraib with his dog? Six months in prison! The Army should take away those scary dogs. Replace them with Arkansas razorback hogs on leashes with spiked collars. Maybe Alarmed Pig Farmer could fill the contract!
AKKARI FIRED (AP/JPOST)
"The Islamic Faith Community decided Friday that Akkari can no longer be its spokesman, Kasem Said, a high-ranking member of the group, told Danish broadcaster DR."
Of course not; mustn't blow your cover.