You may remember the threats of jihad genocide and more 9/11's on signs held outside the Danish Embassy in London by Muslim cartoon protestors there last month. Finally, British authorities have acted. From the Times Online, with thanks to David:
Five men were arrested today over their alleged role in protests outside the Danish Embassy in London last month against cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.
Wow. Just "Prophet Muhammad," Times? Not even "the Muslim Prophet Muhammad"?
Four of the five were held on suspicion of incitement to murder and all five are suspected of "using threatening words or written material to stir up racial hatred".During the demonstrations in Central London on February 3 and 4, protesters held placards threatening a repeat of the September 11 or July 7 terror attacks. Among the slogans were "Massacre those who insult Islam" and "Europe you will pay, your 9/11 will come".
The British government is starting to flex its ire at the Muslims. About time. Hope they keep it up for the safety of the Brits and England.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
I will always refuse to call him "the prophet Muhammad". I notice this is fashionable today among the liberals in the media and the dhimmis. Same as Condoleeza Rice called the Koran, the "holy Koran". Nauseating. Muhammad was not a prophet and the Koran is far from holy
Only 5 men? There must have been dozens of people in those photos, who carried signs calling for genocide of Europeans, beheadings of those who insult the (alleged) prophet, threatening a _real holocaust_ (denying that the holocaust happened but at the same time promising to carry one out), and so on. I think the authorities need to track them all down. Catching only five of them doesn't improve public safety by very much.
These 'tards with the incendiary protest signs made very bad PR for the so called Ummah. More responsible British Muhammadans tried to disown these young hot heads who were from "Al Muhajiroun" which supposedly had disbanded
Archimedes, IIRC, the article mentions a much larger investigation underway, I suspect we'll hear about more arrests shortly.
Use the pictures taken of the crowd to generate the short list for deportations. You know MI5, 6 , 7, 8 had someone up on the fourth story with a 400mm lens....
Let the deportations begin with the protestors...
Texican,
I think that the police are more likely to be acting under pressure from the public rather than the government because, apparently, Scotland Yard, had lots of irate people 'phoning them up, asking when they were going to arrest some of the protestors.
Catching only five of them doesn't improve public safety by very much.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 15, 2006 11:28 AM
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Archimedes, it is a start which is much better than doing nothing and hopefully as stated by A_Plague_on_Both_Houses, just the begining.
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Texican,
I think that the police are more likely to be acting under pressure from the public rather than the government because, apparently, Scotland Yard, had lots of irate people 'phoning them up, asking when they were going to arrest some of the protestors.
Posted by: Elephant at March 15, 2006 12:13 PM
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Kind of like the port deal in America. The ire of the Brits has carried over to the British government. Ocassionally our governments need to be kick started.
The Texican,
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
While such arrests may seem like "progress" -- I am not encouraged. Treating Muslim sedition as if it's just "incitement for hatred" or "racism" simply casts this war in murky legalese -- and makes it far harder to view it as WARFARE.
Muslims are in Western domains WAGING WAR against us --
Would we have rounded up Nazis on the street corner promulgating Nazism in the midst of WW2? Socially, legally, and militarily we identified their ideology as being one which was beyond the pale -- we didn't make a distinction between "nice" Nazis and "bad" Nazis -- Nazis were Nazis -- Nazism was Nazism, even if it was sometimes shriven of it's more heinous aspects in attempts to make it seem more palatable to potential friends in the West.
Once a war starts -- the enemy must not be allowed to wage war in your midst -- the fact that Muslims are still preaching Islam in so-called "infidel" lands is unacceptable. Rounding up five measly Muslim muttonheads while 2 million of their brethren continue to plot, foment, and call for the destruction of Great Britain is sheer insanity.
Texican,
Yes, you're dead right, governments usually legislate in favour of whoever makes the most noise.
Well, five is a good start.
I forwarded a video of the protest to Scotland Yard, they seemed happy to receive it and mentioned in the reply that they are still looking into the crimes committed that day. In the clip I sent there are at least 80 bodies that should be arrested. Every last one of them should be hunted down.
The UK has a big problem with some of their own leadership. Think of the always pro-Arab, pro-Islamic RIIA [royal inst of int'l affairs] and the BBC and Prince Chas.
How come the arrests took so long to come.
The letter I got from the Home Office was balderdash.
The problem with arrests so late will be that of identification. Al-BBC showed a woman making the posters and handing them out. She wore a full face veil so even if they arrest her now she can deny that it was her (distinctive writing aside) which is one of the reasons niqab is worn of course. She should have been arrested on the spot.
Eliyahu,
While I'd agree with most of that Prince Charles, at least, has his good points. He's spoken up for the Bushmen before - one of the few public figures to do so. And, if you check the sister-site, you'll see he signed a letter from the Coptic Orthodox Church Leader to Rowan Williams.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010610.php#more
Granny Weatherwax,
IIRC, the only arrests on the day were of two counter-protestors.
al-mu'minum, the True Believers, must be defeated in every venue. Over and over again. We must combine our approach to the twentieth-century scrourges of Facism and Communism and fight them on every front, physical, mental, social, ideological, religio, dinero, in utero until this:
8.39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all religion is for Allah alone.
is no longer feasible.
We have to make jihad as meaningful as fighting gravity. It is a test of wills. On one hand its the 'Will to Power' ala the reincarnation of Mohammed ( Hitler) versus the 'will to live' in the west.
A little anecdote
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Personally, I don't understand the reluctance of the French to defend their culture. I've always heard that they are extremely proud of what they've created and consider it a Model that the Western world should emulate. French culture is high culture. Okay - so why walk away from that? Why sell it out? Why replace the best of cultures with a bastardization?
I was on a train in 1993 going from Paris to Dijon and and old, drunk guy asked me for a light. I answered in French and he began talking to me - I had memorized 'je ne comprende pas' but not much after that. I had to tell him in English that I was American.
He got really loud and started thanking me for saving the country back on June 6th, 1944. I told him it wasn't me, but I appreciated his appreciation.
It turned out he was a Jewish dude who worked in the diamond trade. He'd been up in Antwerp, I think, either buying or selling. He kept thanking me for bailing the country out. I nodded in afirmation as he kept shouting 'God Bless America'. He knew what had happened, you see.
I told him the greatest gift the United States had was the lack of history. We all look forward there. The past is pushed aside and we focus on 'Progess' and the future. He blinked at me a few times. I said we were truly blessed not to have the baggage of the past, like other nations and cultures.
Maybe what we need in the United States is a little history lesson now. Sometimes you need to be reminded of how the world got to be a shiite-hole like it is in the Middle East.
God Bless the old folks who remember.
One may see a few more arrested and charged but, in reality, this sorry excuse for law enforcement has already gone as far as it will go. The Metropolitan Police Force, browbeaten and cowed by our politically correct Government of ‘former’ card carrying Communists, Marxists, Trotskyites and Maoists (can leopards change their spots?), is merely going through the motions in order to placate what they have been instructed to see by the Home Secretary as a tiny minority belonging to the Little England Awkward Squad. From the Home Office’s point of view it is only necessary that the Police do just enough to prevent this awkward squad – as they perceive it – from engaging with the greater public conscience; in other words, offer these few sops to the to this perceived awkward squad and it will then go away quietly.
If anyone doubts that this Government of ‘former’ extreme left-wing subversives is anything other than hell-bent on the destruction of Britain and the native British peoples then they only have to look at the legislation of the last few years – removal of the right to trial by jury in many instances; ongoing attempts to destroy the independence of the judiciary; destruction of the independence from Government of the law enforcement agencies and the removal of such agencies accountability to Parliament; suspension of habeas corpus embodied in the plethora of insane new laws against terrorism together with the right of Government Ministers to deny trials to anyone THEY accuse of being a terrorist; the destruction of the education system; the proposal to remove History and Geography from the curriculum; the introduction of the right of entry to your home or place of business without a warrant and the right then to subsequently remove any, or all, of your possessions (including computers and paperwork) and the right then to forbid you from talking to anyone at all – even your lawyer – about what happened and if you do so you will be automatically imprisoned without trial for five years (granted, this right of entry, and its concomitants, has not yet been used to the best of my knowledge, but why is it on the statute books of a civilised democracy at all?); and finally, but by no means completely, the attempt to introduce electronic ID Cards for everybody – so that Government can finally know about every toilet break you take – a move that the Government freely admits will not, and cannot, help in the fight against terrorism. The USA only had the Patriot Act to deal with – a mere bagatelle compared to the draconian, harsh and un- and anti-democratic laws that the UK Government has brought in.
In other words, what the Government of the UK is really afraid of isn’t the mohammedan incursion, which it welcomes with open arms because it helps in the destruction of Britain, but us, the native peoples of these islands, and the huge risk that we may one day wake up, or be awoken by such good internet sites as this, and wreak the havoc upon them that they so very richly deserve. The arrest of these five mohammedans, and the one or two further arrests that may follow, is nothing more than a token, a sop thrown to us to keep us quiet.
What Prince Charles does, or does not, do or believe cannot be reliably known nor can it be reliably deduced from any main stream media reports about him as the main stream media are fundamentally biased against him and all things royal. The made the big mistake of attacking our dear old Queen a few years back but the public backlash was so great that they hastily shut-up. Since then they have confined themselves to sniping at any other royal they can, in particular His Royal Highness Prince Charles, Prince of Wales.
tiny minority belonging to the Little England Awkward Squad.
Have you been talking to my boss? He (has known me for 22 years) always says that I, and another colleague who thinks like me are fully paid up members of the awkward squad.
And I fear that you are right about the token bone tossed to us.
We have no Churchills these days (the real ones, I mean, we have plenty of the excremental "ward churchill" types, who should be stripped of such a noble surname) Politicians will not act until they fear the wrath of their citizens more than they fear the wrath of their muslim interlopers or the loss of largess from their foreign masters.
Granny - the only bone you should be gnawing on is this:
"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."
What's old is new again. God Bless the old people who remember.
It's going to come down to the same thing again.
"Wow. Just "Prophet Muhammad," Times? Not even "the Muslim Prophet Muhammad"?"
CNN.com was doing the same thing when trying to explain to readers why they wouldn't show the cartoons. It's disgusting and completely biased of them to do that. I had a professor my freshman year of college who told our class we did not need to refer to St. Augustine as a Saint when reading the Confessions because he is only a Saint to people who believe he is. In that same light, Muhammed is only a prophet to Muslims who believe in his divinity.
The double standards of the media are sickening. How can anyone take them seriously when they don't take themselves seriously?
The MSM is a whore to the same advertising dollars that U.S. Politicians chase. It all comes down to the 30-second spot on TV.
It's all about getting the ad money.
Granny Weatherwax -
There is a long and honourable British tradition of belonging to the Awkward Squad. I am so glad that now I know there to be at least two more members.
Your boss, obviously, just doesn't appreciate you.
They want to bomb and invade Denmark and take Danish wives as war booty.
Check out the protest video on
http://www.nefafoundation.org
click on Prophet Mohammed Cartoom Protest
Your boss, obviously, just doesn't appreciate you.
He is our third member. It was meant affectionately, 22 years is a long time.
As a fully paid up member of the Awkward Squad, Double Entendre Division, I note that Granny W has used the words "bone" and "toss" in the same post. You know the rules - three strikes and you're out.
Ooops, that's me out, then. I've added insult to injury by using the words "member" and "up" in very close proximity.
Well, fellow Awkward Squaddies, it was nice knowing you. Not in the Biblical sense.
How long ago was this and why are they still crying about it?
If they were to just say "Mohammad", how many people in the public do they think would perceive that they are talking about, Mohammed Dahlan?
On the above story, what the Brits need is rioting - uptil now, Mohammedans have become beligerent to the point that their wishes are what carry the day, be it cartoons not being printed, jilbabs being enforced, et al. Once the Brits do something like the Aussies did at Crunella Bay, it might send a message.
If nothing is done, the US should make it necessary for British nationals to obtain visas before they can visit the US. Else the US would be forced to take in the likes of Qarawadi, while from other countries, a Kim Yong Park or a Long Hoang would have to wait for, and potentially be denied visas.
this is a little too late for my take on this.. if the Brits had police with any testicular fortitude, they would of made arrests on the spot! too freakin weannie!!
Permission to write "the Prophet Muhammad" granted to Western newspapers if, and only if, "Savior" or "Son of God" appears as the unswerving epithet before "Jesus." And no more of what has crept in -- this "holy city of Najaf" or "holy city of Karbala" or "holy city of Mecca" stuff either. This is absurd.
If you mean to have a War of the Epithets, let it begin here.
But let's not, shall we? Let's put a lid on it, right now, before things get even more absurd all over the benighted, confused, timid Western world.
Update on the cartoon arrests from the BBC (Peace Be Upon It) :-)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4811122.stm
Only five were arrested and they are probably back home by now. This is just a sop to the public from Blair and the police to show that they are doing something. Any other political party or organisation carrying banners that called for violence against the realm, would have been arrested on sight. Only muslims in the UK are favoured in every way including breaking the law.
It is unlikely that these five will get any but the most derisory sentence. New Labour is not likely to offend its muslim vote bank - a vote bank it has deliberately brought into the country.
In fact, Najaf & Karbala are not holy to Sunnis. Don't they protest?
Instead of inventor of Islam, I'd go for founder of Islam. Islam isn't the automobile, TV, the microprocessor or any of those other illustrious things that have been invented.
Granny Weatherwax -
Ah yes. The Third Member. Set in immediately post-war Vienna, wasn't it. Featured a spy called Hardly Slime, if I remember correctly, trying to steal a Ferris Wheel on his day off for some reason or another.
Seriously, good - one one more squaddy.
Australian law enforcement is also not doing what it should:
Although the Mohammedans who smashed more than a hundred cars and bashed as many people and shot up and burned 4 churches are on video, they havn't been 'found' yet.
A few white boys were quickly picked up and had to do time. How much longer do we haave to put up with this?
Certiorari
Great post.
The British police these days is but a shadow of its former self. It has been reduced to a counselling service and a glorified traffic police.
As for the islamic problem - it is getting much worse. The government has no idea where all the failed asylum seekers (mostly muslim) are and thus has no idea how to remove them. Then there is the case of asylum seekers who are now required to go back; again the govt has no clue where they are. Or that is what it claims. Yet I have a feeling that the govt knows where they are, as it must still be providing welfare checks to them, but pretends otherwise so as not to offend muslims.
I turn my back and look what happens. Yes I do remember Ferris Wheeler's Day Off, very good film.
This http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/15/ucartoon.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/03/15/ixportaltop.html from the Telegraph does not give the names of the men arrested, as does the latest BBC report. But of the four London boroughs where they live, my family are from one, I was brought up in another, and used to work in a third. And only 5 out of so many is not impressive.
I forwarded a video of the protest to Scotland Yard, they seemed happy to receive it and mentioned in the reply that they are still looking into the crimes committed that day.
Posted by: godefroi_de_bouillon at March 15, 2006 12:40 PM
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Way to go Godefroi. The more that the Brits keep the pressure on the British GOvernment, the more effect it will have.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
Granny W. -
You were active in three out of the four boroughs?
Hmmm.
Do we believe in coincidence or were you really the worlds worst neighbour?
C'mon. Fess up. What did you do to them to drive them to jihad? After all, we all know it has to be somebody else's fault, don't we?
DP111 -
According to a friend of mine who works in Immigration about there are really about 1.3 million 'illegal' immigrants in the UK of whom about 950,000 are mohammedans. If benefits are being claimed for them then the claiming is usually being done fraudulently by other mohammedans who are here legally. It is generally reckoned that mohammedans of both sexes and all ages account for 87% of all benefit fraud. It is known, but not yet provable in court, that rings of mohammedan benefit fraudsters are organised by the local mohammedan 'clergy' and centred on their temples (moskues, or whatever they're called). It is probable that well over half of all mohammedans are involved in benefit fraud. Coincidentally, the numbers of mohammedans involved in other criminal activity is also very high.
The idea that the Police can, or will, do anything further about the treasonous behaviour that they have arrested, so far, a mere five people for is, quite frankly, risible, isn't it?
Sheik Yer'mani wrote:
"Although the Mohammedans who smashed more than a hundred cars and bashed as many people and shot up and burned 4 churches are on video, they havn't been 'found' yet."
Why is this?, why aren't the NSW Police making arrests? Why are they so timid when confronted by these "men of middle-eastern appearance". Have the police been ordered not to upset the mohammadans by their political masters?, or are they just lacking in the testicular area?
The grand ayatolah Ali Al Sistany has issued a fatwa against homosexuals and lesbians,yesterday.
His decision,that all homosexuals and lesbians should be killed,has been published in an arabic newspaper in London and it has resulted in a very angry homosexual community,who are callong Sistani a criminal.
Let`s see how this one will play out if the muslim barbarians allover Europe,decide to enforce Sistani`s fatwa.
Article at Michael Savage`s website,toward the end of the page.
http://www.michaelsavage.com
The sight of those protestors and the limp-wristed response to their message of hate show how truly sick Britain and the West is.
In a well-ordered society creatures such as those protestors would have been executed long ago.
It was interesting to see how the police reacted to the fox hunters protests last year about the ban on fox hunting. They didn't hold back when it came to using force and even truncheons to crack a few skulls on these mostly harmless, respectable, law abiding Middle Englanders who have paid their taxes all their lives. While not agreeing with fox hunting, the disproportiate reaction of the police was quite sickening in my opinion. Middle Englanders only want to kill a few foxes (which, after all are vermin.) Mohammedans want to kill us and regard us as vermin and are permitted to brazenly advertise their intentions on our streets. PC has turned Britain into a sick, dysfunctional society.
Chilling video about the cartoon protests. If soemone says they want to kill you, they usually mean it.
Thanks Adela
It's all in the koran for all to see where the threat comes from. What l found most ironic was the calling of European blood for a bunch of cartoons published by one newspaper in one country in Europe. Outlaw the koran is the way to go.
Pathetic dhimmitude, Times has bought into the idea that Islam is a race.
What else to expect in jolly old soon to be Muslimland.
Time to start rendering God Save the Queen into something meaningful Islamic.
Unfortunately I don't believe Britain is flexing enough muscles yet................. they will leave it until the matter is desperate,then try to sort it out. There were many more than five people who require prosecution over the 'demon'--strations. Aslap on the wrist and they'll be back on the streets making Britain into a muslim hell hole.
The parents who allowed or encouraged sweet innocent little children to be at the ralley, chanting, should be charged and prosecuted for child abuse.
Unfortunately, for Australia, the real reason for the Cronulla riots has not been addressed. It's being called racism which of course it is not.
Anecdotal evidence I have collected from people living in that part of the world talk of attacks on non-muslims over 30 years because they were not behaving in an islamic manner,rapes in the name of their despicable moon god......this is not racism.
Too little too late as always!
To see these scum (and there so called 'moderate' friends later on) shitting all over London made me wish a true call to arms was heard.
This is a war.
5 lousy people. The Police had men ALL AROUND the protestors and they should have arrested them there and then!
Typically PC bullshit because they are not white and they have religion. So we can't do anything as it's seen as 'Crusading' and/or racist!
Arrest ALL these animals and deport them to some Middle Eastern crap hole!!
What happened to the greatest power in the World? The greatest Empire? The Proudest, most steadfast of countries?
It was a shameful day for Britain and the shame goes on it seems.