India: 50,000 Muslims protest Bush visit

Tiny minority of extremists. HAH!

Was this a suprise or planned visit by the President. If the Muslims had had more time to organize, perhaps they could have put a Million Muslim March together and dispelled this whole myth of the "minority" of problem Muslims.

A pity only the protesters are seen and heard and given press coverage.

The decent folks (non muzlims mostly) who support America and understand the stakes in the war on jihad (a knowledge that drilled down deep in India's cultural DNA, after islamic invasions centuries ago) are too busy earning a living to demonstrate support like this.

Also, unlike in commie dictatorships, schoolchildren can't be forced to lineup streets singin rehearsed songs of praise etc. I pray the Prez knows that these protesting gooseballs don't represent the majority sentiment of what may well be the best hope for a democratic alliance against fascist islam later this century.

@ patriot: get some air holes drilled in that morass you call brain.

The "basterds" who died in Tsunami were Hindus without exception. The "basterds" didnt take a single dime from your precious government.

Most comments on JW since past few months have been just meaningless $#!t passed around by often by ignorant contributers who forget their cultural relativist manners. Darn i miss the good ole day! Commenting here is more like leading a choir these days.

Didn't we out source a lot of jobs to India? I know Phoenix has a lot of Indians working for Discover...American Express.

Wonder if the famiiies of those working here and for American companies over there, counter protested.

Yes Britian has a lot of outsource jobs in India too. But The vast majority of Indians are not protesting.

I always thought Delhi didnt have many Muslims? i thought the majority of Muslims where in Kashmir?
well heres a chance for Hindus to protest against
The Islamic Genocide of about 10 million Hindus and Buddists.
I mean, check this out

http://www.mantra.com/holocaust/

Somehow though, i dont it will happen.

"Police put the number of protesters at around 50,000 but organisers claimed some 300,000 people had turned up."

For once aljazeera has not exaggerated the truth to rally up muslims, they also say 50,000 protesters. Were are the four horse men? Or has hell frozen over? Either way I'll be in the basement.

patriot,
The Muslim tsunami victims were largely in
Indonesia, which is a different country than
India, though, as you see, they start the same.
Was that some kind of spoonerism?

We did aid Pakistan, but that's quite
different from aiding India!

India is largely a victim of islamic terror,
though, like the U.S., they're also a victim of
political correctness that doesn't allow them
to speak the name of the enemy. Corner a Hindu
sometime (I have many Hindu coworkers) and ask
them what they really think about Muslims. Before
you do so though, learn the difference between
Hindu (Sikh) names and Muslim ones.

chu-doc:
"I always thought Delhi didnt have many Muslims? i thought the majority of Muslims where in Kashmir?"

Busloads of Muslims came from 100-mile radius of Delhi, responding to a protest call by Jamiat Ulama-I- Hind, a political organization.

The protest was peaceful and lasted three hours. Maulana Mahmood Madni, the general secretary of Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind, capped off the rally by telling the crowd: "Bush is destroying the world peace. He is the biggest enemy of Islam. Ya Allah save the world from George Bush."

NYTimes

Bush will be visiting Hyderabad, the cyber city next only to Bangalore where a sizable number of these cultists reside. Watch out for more protests by muslims, our very own coward commies there.

Bush is most welcome. 'Bush jindabad'.

According to the Economist magazine, 80% of
Indians have a favorable opinion of US.
That is more than Britain.

"He has no place in the land of (freedom hero Mahatma) Gandhi". "

Action speak louder than words. Muslims will lie and try to deceive at the drop of a hat. We should see through this. Islamism demands you name Gandhi to win over people's perception(non-muslims). But muslims conveniently forget that same Gandhi when protesting violently over toons, blasting bombs, killing innocents......

I always thought Delhi didnt have many Muslims? i thought the majority of Muslims where in Kashmir?

Delhi is a Muslim majority city, atleast Old Delhi is. Kashmir has only 7 million Muslims Rest of India has about 150 million Muzzies. But Kashmir is the only Islamic majority area.

@patriot: I am not American, I'm a Briton.

Well i'm tired of telling this time and again. Anyways not that many people care about Islamic jihads against us the heathen wogs. Still if you guys are inetersted check:

http://www.voi.org
http://www.kashmir-information.net
http://www.historyofjihad.org/india.html

Adios

If Gandhi was still alive he would condemn both the US and the muslims for violence, but yet they think Gandhi is their "buddy".

Gandhi himself is indirectly responsible for India's current problems. Gandhi's philosophy is a lame duck when it comes to jihad. It is because of him that India still has 3 rd largest Muslim population.

Vikrant_Camberleykar writes:
"Anyways not that many people care about Islamic jihads against us the heathen wogs. "

Woke up feeling glum? I love you heathen wogs, or
at least the Hindu/Sikh/Jain/..., oh hell, you
know what I mean, the Infidel variety.

My apologies in advance for all annoying
Christians who feel the need to witness at
every inconvenient opportunity.

Woke up feeling glum?

Nah just check the number of comments on India related articles on JW. As for other blogs LGF prefers not to cover Jihad in India unless the incidents concern Christians/Westerners.

As for other blogs LGF prefers not to cover Jihad in India unless the incidents concern Christians/Westerners.

I don't think that's the issue. Charles doesn't cover every jihad attack in the world. Jihad Watch is, well, a jihad watch. Smart people realize we're in the dar-al-harb and therefore equally under attack. Well, as equal as it can be when India lost over 50 million people to jihad conquest.

I read the history of Jihad in India, I found it to be very interesting, and very similiar to the ways jihad is waged in the modern and western world, Jihad is waged by taking advantage of the freedoms of europe and america, such is the case most predominantly seen in france in the western world. Its to bad that countries like russia and india have not responded to the threats of islam, i think it will be easier to respond in the future when more light is shed on the true nature of islam and jihad and our enemy is clearly distinguished. But countries like russia supporting hamas and iran when it is under attack from chechnyan jihadists, they clearly do not understand Jihad.

Jesus said "Do not suppose i have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" mathhew 10:34
although not a justification for going to war, it is no sin to defend christianity by force if neccessary. jesus also says christs salvation is for anyone who chooses to accept it freely not acceptance by force.

Vikrant:

History of Jihad is a great link. It is refreshing to see some accurate history, not this Islam spread peacefully bull.

Voice of Dharma also has a book on its site called Jihad: The Islamic Doctrine of Permanent War which is a great reference for anyone who wants to understand what this religion of peace is truly about.

Gandhi was a Christian at heart and so were his teachings. There is nothing terribly wrong with this, but faced with a violent enemy it is a big problem. You can only love your enemy for so long before he starts to destroy you. Gandhi is more respected by the West then he is in India I believe. As is seen above, he is quoted by the fanatics.

India is a prime example of what Jihadists do to gradually usurp a land.

That's why the Muses targeted Bali as it's 95% Hindu and the Infidels go there to party. The rest of wonderful Indonesia are mainly Muslim...Banda Ache was a hotbed for terrorism.
The Biggest wave did it's revenge...I mean damage. Sulawesi is another enclave for murdering Muslims.

Vikrant_Camberleykar:
"Nah just check the number of comments on India related articles on JW. As for other blogs LGF prefers not to cover Jihad in India unless the incidents concern Christians/Westerners."

Isn't it better to light a candle than curse the darkness? ;-)

The sad fact is that a lot of people are just
ignorant, and would prefer to let people who know
better comment. I'm well aware of (current) jihad
in India, but until a few months ago, quite
ignorant of the extent of the well documented
Muslim slaughter. Some of that newfound knowledge
came from you. Thanks!

I follow each attack on India, and was enraged by the Diwali terrorism a few months ago. But they
don't let up.

Anyways, VC, I don't hold India responsible for
these frothing muzzies, and the Hindus I know
are more clued in to the thread than W is.

Hi Guys,

Well first of all let me tell you guys that India holds a baggage of 150 million muslims. They represent only 14% of population and Indian president is Muslim(though he is a great guy). Indian Prime Minister is a Sikh(Sikhism is a branh of Hindus and represents only 2% of population) Still everyone loves this PM. Doesnt that speaks of Democracy and secularism. I am not sayin here that India doesnt have problems, give any country a baggage of 150 Million Muslims, and there are bound to be a lot of problems, Plus we have a shit ass country based and founded on Islam called Pakistan. Which is a constant nuisance to us.
Hindus are progressive, calm and people who dont want to talk much of religion as they think religion is a personal faith.
Hindus have been subject to slaughter and killings for last 800 years, Invasion of Islam of India is the worst thing to happen to us.

India has always told the world, UN that this war against India is not a freedom struggle, its a terrorist act of Fanatic Muslims. We have always known that Muslims have the Madrasas(religious schools) where they trai young kids for serving the religion and they are the terrorists. But west always thought that its a problem of third world countries. Now Indians are atleast happy to note that West is acknowledging the fact and not keeping its eyes closed.

I have a small grudge against USA, what step USA is taking today in 2006( strengthning relationships with India ), if that was taken back in 1976, probably we would have had lesses problems with Islamic terrorism. The problem lies in that most of Americans are ignorant about the root cause of problem and about a country which is the biggest democracy who shares same values as USA.

I get the feeling that India today is out for itself exclusively and is nobody's friend--and clearly not America's.

Hi Pythgoras,

well before making that comment, did you even try to figure out who are those people rallyin against USA, they are Muslims. India is 85% Hindu and they support democracy and secularism and share same values as USA.

I think you should understand the scenerio and then comment. You are just acting like one of those ignorant Americans who know nothing about India.

Aman-

India in 1976 was pro-Communist and pro-Socialist. This may not have changed among the masses very much in the past 30 years despite the window dressing of economic growth. Thus India does not necessarily share as many common values as you are thinking. There is a wide gap in values that remains to be bridged.

Most pro-Socialist and pro-Communist countries have poisoned their populations with widespread anti-American propaganda and this definitely includes India. Most likely this is the cause of the 'grudge' you claim. Although I suspect there is a hidden element of racism at work in--how DARE those American whites invent the automobile, the airplane, the elevator, sound-recording, the highrise building,the telephone, the television, the laser, land a man on the moon, develop the internet without India's express permission?????

I would like to ask you sir when since Independence has India ever asserted goodwill to the United States of America??? I cannot remember a single instance of goodwill towards us coming from your country in all the years I have been alive. Yet my country has done more for your country than India will EVER do for America. I stand by that statement and take exception to your "grudge" (which I suspect is probably the norm in India today--even if there had been NO Muslims). That may be one reason why America did not intervene in the struggle against Islam in the Indian subcontinent. We weren't wanted there as far as we could tell and may well have been condemned for "interference" if we had. Indians are very vocal about US interference so keep that in mind the next time you want us to intervene in something. America also had the Cold War to deal with in 1976. The USSR was not a phantom boogeyman. It was a genuine adversary to be dealt with. Even though Indians never understood this it seems.

ps--I WILL however accept your assertion that Americans have yet to understand the true (read barbaric) nature of Islam. That is ignorance--and despite the fact that the US was viciously attacked by the Islamic Caliphate in 1794 and 1801!!!

I get the feeling that India today is out for itself exclusively and is nobody's friend--and clearly not America's.

I didn't expect such a statement from you, Pythogoras. One could easily turn what you said around, and it would be probably just as true (or untrue); i.e. America today is only out for itself and is nobody's friend--- and clearly not India's. When the USA keeps equating India with Pakistan, when it keeps harping on India to make truce with the Pakistani jehadists over Kashmir (Imagine how it would feel if Indians asked the Americans to make truce with Bin Laden), when it keeps arming the Pakistani army and calling Pakistan its chief ally in the war on 'terrorism', knowing full well that Pakistan is the epicenter of the jehadist movement... is there any wonder there is so much distrust of USA by Indians.

I agree with you that most of the world is lost in its own self interest agenda; and quite often makes deals with the 'devil' itself just for perceived short-term goals. Unless we, in the non-muslim world, get rid of our petty prejudices and silly squabbles there can be no hope of success in our fight against our common enemy, Islam.

I can tell you right now if these guys are singing praise to Ghandi then they are not true hindus. Ghandi is only loved by Muslims and left wing pinkos. All my Hindu friends hated Ghandi he was a sell out. And what I dont understand is why the Muslims of India hate the US. The US has sides with Pakistan throughout the entire existence of the modern state of India. If anything it is the Hindus who have a real gripe about the states. But most hindus either like teh states or are very tolerant of it.

good post Rasdan I just read it. I totally agree.

Hi Pythagoras,

Well dont take it offensive, but I was not trying to insult USA or you either. you have taken the thing out of proportions. I appologise if my statements meant something which was offensive. I just wanted to say was has the thing, the relationships of freindship which are developing today should have developed 30 years ago, both India and USA not having their preoccupied notions about eachother, we would have been better.

Believe me friend, India and USA are going to partner success in future, I am not sayin India is going to equal USA, but I am saying there is going to be a never ending partnership. You are quiet true on the fact that India was locked with its idea of socialism and normally socialists dont like USA, but think out of the box, we are the only country which has come out of that shackles and working towards a better future.
You dont have to explain me that USA developed this or that, its a known fact the USA is a place of inovation & USA is a great country. But there was some failure on part of USA also for not identifying a right step earlier and trying to get India along. Dont just try to justify, think both sides. I agree to what you say about India but you have to think what I am trying to say here.

Why USA for long, has termed terrorism against India a freedom struggle and engaged pakistan as their aly, which is based on Islam. there were some problems with US policy too. But if you say USA is perfect with imperfections in its policy or stand points, then we dont need to discuss further as we are not having a constructive debate but a confrontation.

Indian opinion on US depends on who you ask.

Ask any of the 300+ million Indian middle-class. We love the US. US is a place we aspire to be in, study in, live in and work in... In fact I am planning to come to study there in the next 1-2 yrs.

I love the US. And there are many like me around.

And they say "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Same goes for how radicals see the US. While I see technology, trade, freedom, openness... the radical fanatic sees god being displaced, exploitation, blasphemy, decadence...

The more light you pour into the eye, the more the pupil closes in. A bigot's eye is similar, the more knowledge you teach him, his mind only tries to hold on to his ideas too hard... even violently.

I think the trick is to catch them young. Just take a look at the history textbooks of most schools in Pakistan and you will know what bigotry and hatred really means. No wonder "Pakistan imports aid and exports terrorism".

@pissedoffcanadian.. You are right... But you see, Muslims only see only two colors. Green & everything else. And do you think Pakistani muslims like US because US gave them aid???

The muslim mentality is simple. You are either a muslim or non-muslim. Not Indian/Pakistani/Saudi/Indonesian/Malay... Islamic culture is one that tries to impose the 7th century arab values into everybody. It is one that tries to impose 7th century arab architecture all over the world.

Have any of you ever seen mosque that was designed differently on the outside???

I think they didn't come to protest, just to get the free ham dinner afterwards......

Politicians in India routinely buy truckloads of crowds or bribe attendees with money or gifts of some sort. Demonstrations in India are of an entirely different nature to those in the western world. Most people are too preoccupied with themselves to participate in any sort of demonstration or movement. So I wouldn't attach too much importance to the numbers here.

Aman, India doesn't hold 'baggage' of 150 million muslims as you so crudely put it. In my book your type is just the same as the islamic madmen. This is their country as much as it is yours. India is not a hindu country, though the majority are hindus and in the 21st century it really shouldn't matter what your religion is. And please speak for yourself or have all hindus told you they are 'progressive and calm'? Please. Maybe you haven't heard of the BJP and Narendra Modi and other fine specimens of the human species.

NPR is reporting this story as "50,000 protestors" leaving out the Muslim part of it. Dollars to donuts NBC will do the same tonight.

Hi Raulb,

I dont agree with what BJP or modi did either, but dont you think the justice for that case what happened in India can happen in any muslim nation. I am not against Muslims either, I really like Indian president Abdul Kalam, but I see a problem with Muslims is the fanatism, the following of the extreme. If you are logical, tell me do you endorse the killings Hindus have suffered in so many centuries.
Dont you think if India becomes a muslim majority, it will turn into a Islamic state instead of democracy.
I am not speaking about all Hindus here, I am not even moderate Hindu, I will let you know I dont even fucking practice any fucking religion, so donot equate me with any Muslim madman.
Identifying someone fanatic doenst mean that the person identifying that problem looses secularism. I am a secular person and would like everyone be like that. Live and let live and please no double standards.
All muslims in India talk about Modi thing, my question, do they fuckin.. ever talk about burning the train full of pilgrims. They were humans too. Donot think I am defending killing of innocent people, it may be muslims or hindus both are humans. I am trying to talk here is double standards practiced by most of Muslims.

Another point I would like to address: Its as much their country as mine,

Why dont they condem the terrorism in Kashmir then, if they think that this is their own country. Why the Mosques in India have agenda against India. Why they dont think as Indian but as a Muslim, why they are protesting against USA president and not other Indians. Why they mix religion with everything.

Why the hell religion is so fuckin important.
Why not live and let live.

Aman, The only thing fundamentalists care about is themselves, everything is a cover for control and telling other people how to live from their self erected pedestal.

Muslims are clearly unable to live in peace with outher societies, when in a majority there is active oppression of the minorities and when they are in a minority there is a sense of victimhood and injustice. Add to this the fantastic ideology that the terrorists are spreading unchecked and we are in for a long haul.

But this doen't make wierdos like the BJP right. Islam is in crisis, but it will be dangerous to let fundamentalists from the other side hijack the voice of reason. Peace.

50k looks like a low number for demonstrators - in Delhi, you can get 50k people to watch you chew gum. Especially given that one has dilweeds like the Marxists in addition to the Muslims protesting this visit.

chu doc & Vikrant, Delhi isn't a Muslim majority city. There are a number near the Jami Masjid and Red Fort, but by and large, the city population is mainly Punjabi and somewhat cosmopolitan. The city has a population > 10m, so 50k is nothing. And as other posters have pointed out, this is a rent-a-mob.

I didn't see any posts by Patriot. What are people referring to?

And to American, and any others wondering how Bush is perceived in India, in addition to NareshC, check the following opinion poll

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20060306&fname=Cover+Story&sid=1

pissedofcanadian, you are right about Gandhi. I don't know whether this has ever been commented on at Jihadwatch, but in 1919, he supported the Caliphate movement in India to restore the Turkish sultan as caliph, simply to curry favors with the Mohammedans. Had he been alive today, he'd have urged hindus to support al Qaeda in the name of hindu-muslim unity.

raulb

India's muslims are a baggage, with some rare exceptions, like Irfan Pathan, Sania Mirza. In any city that has Muslim majority areas, the crime there is high, and people are generally careful to avoid it. Unlike every other community - Sikhs, Parsis, Jains, Christians, Jews, et al, they are the only losers in Indian society, except for the ones smart enough to emigrate to Gulf states. Can't be due to discrimination - India's reservation policies would make affirmative action in the US look like a fair deal.

Folks, we hang together or we hang (get
decapitated!) separately.

Go India!

Y'no i think that Gandhi was a person that saw he good in everybody. even the muslims.

if Gandhi tried his peaceful tactics aginst todays Muslims however, he and his followers would be killed ruthlessly.

Indians have obviously tasted the money and do not want war. or confrontation. such as the things money can do.

Good news for Bush! Indians are gung-ho on US

Link:

http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1433122.cms?headline=Indians~are~gung-ho~on~US,~Bush

Times of India
HOUSTON: While United States favourability ratings have plunged in many countries, Indians are significantly more positive about the US now than they were in the summer of 2002, a new opinion poll has said.

The 2005 Pew Global Attitudes survey found that 71 per cent of Indians have a favourable view of the United States and 54 per cent admire President Bush in handling world affairs……….

By contrast, the President is viewed much more negatively in Pakistan, the next stop on Bush's South Asian trip. Just 10 per cent of Pakistanis express a great deal or some confidence in Bush to do the right thing regarding world affairs.

From the CNN site:

[i]Angry demonstrations
Wednesday’s protesters carried placards that read: “Bully Bush, Go Home,” and “Death to America, Death to Bush.”

“Whether Hindu or Muslim, the people of India have gathered here to show our anger. We have only one message — killer Bush go home,” one of the speakers, Hindu politician Raj Babbar, told the crowd.

Police, some of them armed with rifles, were heavily deployed around the fairground. As the rally grew, protesters charged a stage where about 200 Muslim leaders were waiting to speak, knocking over television cameras.[/i]

I find this all a total lack of respect, of good sense, it is abnormal and shameful...

I find it perfectly allright to protest and show anger. Nonetheless, I believe that putting up slogans such as "Death to Bush", or "Death to Whoever" is all of the above mentionned found.

I think these people are totally out of knowledge regarding what the U.S.A. does to help people in the world. It is certain that the U.S.A. doesn't always act perfectly or without a lack of sumptin, but pleeaaase... Its intentions and its causes have always been... that is: peaceful.

Wish the death is too much, as much as the ignorance of these people protesting in such way, brainwashed by a big bunch of nutcases who make too much out of nuttin.

All I feel like saying to these fellows is F.Y., don't mess with my respect...

I wish GHANDI were alive...

he problem lies in that most of Americans are ignorant about the root cause of problem and about a country which is the biggest democracy who shares same values as USA.
Posted by: Aman [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 1, 2006 02:03 PM

Aman, it is the public educational system that the US does not know enough about Indiann, the same can be said about Canada, although we do have more people from India due to being part of the commonwealth. My father's best friend was married to women who's parents came from India. She was born in England and was a war bride. They had like 8 kids, spoke English and French, raised Catholic, no problem intergrating within Canada. Until recently l did not know much about the history of India and its war with muslims. l have learned much from this website from other people who come from India.

Most comments on JW since past few months have been just meaningless $#!t passed around by often by ignorant contributers who forget their cultural relativist manners. Darn i miss the good ole day! Commenting here is more like leading a choir these days.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar

And fricking tune do you sing vikrant???

As I have stated many times, God has dictated to each man to protect your family, country and religion from evil and Islam is evil. Christ said sell you clothes and buy a sword. We have and and many times.

If India has 150 million muslims and 850 million Hindus, what is the problem?? Hindu's outnumber the muslims over 5 to 1. When will the Hindu's take the war to the muslims??

The Texican.

Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Let's finally make friends with India, and then give them Pakistan and Bangladesh to do with what they wish - we'll turn the other way for a time and come back later when it's all sorted out again... We could also throw in Iran, just for a sweetener, perhaps allowing China, Russia, and India to carve that particular canker up into tiny little bits for whatever purpose they can devise...

Let's finally make friends with India, and then give them Pakistan and Bangladesh to do with what they wish - we'll turn the other way for a time and come back later when it's all sorted out again... We could also throw in Iran, just for a sweetener, perhaps allowing China, Russia, and India to carve that particular canker up into tiny little bits for whatever purpose they can devise...
Posted by: jsla

Best damn recommendations that I have read in a long time.

Give em hell.

The Texican.

Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Texican, my comments were in reply to patriots post (which have since been deleted) hecne you may not get the context.

Most pro-Socialist and pro-Communist countries have poisoned their populations with widespread anti-American propaganda and this definitely includes India.

Sure you expect Indians to be stauch pro-Americans after Nixon supported Pakistan in its genocide on Bengali Hindus. Thankfully we Indians have short memories.

I get the feeling that India today is out for itself exclusively and is nobody's friend--and clearly not America's.

As if America gihts for namby-pamby global peace. No US fights for its own self-interest so does India.

@patriot:
dont look like i was too far of about india,does it?well,it tuched a nerve with someone,all my earlier posts are gone,and i cant post under patriot anymore,the sight says they dont know why,all i was doing was expressin how i feel like everybody else.

1 advise, dont discuss a subject you dont know **** about. Last heard JW was not an exercise in Free SPeech either. If you cant distinguish between India and Indonesia, then expect your posts to get the contempt they deserve.

No US fights for its own self-interest so does India.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar

Agreed, as does all nations and when these goals have a common interest as with WWII and now with Islam, all can become victors.

It is just convincing the governments that Islam is WWIII.

The Texican.

Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

"Gandhi was a Christian at heart and so were his teachings" from a post above.

Not really. Gandhi was a practising hindu (just like
Gautam Buddha). His teaching were derived from hindu literature. Its a factual inaccuracy to call him a christian. That is why king of Saudi Arabia
considered him a heathen and refused to go to his cremation site in January this year. While Pope John Paul II went to the memorial, he refused to bend.

Secondly, Raj Babbar is muslim and not hindu.

Vikrant_Camberleykar-

Islam is on the march toward global dominion, and the rest of us are in their crosshairs if we aren't willing to "submit".

Infighting about the small stuff (business advantages, past historical wrongs, etc.) is normal, but at the larger level, if India, and the rest of the free world (North and South America, Europe, Japan, Russia, China, Australia,, etc.) do not stand togther, the more unified field theory of Islam will infiltrate our lands like parasites. Ones that literally replace thier hosts.

Patanjali and Bahu Bali are as great to me as Thomas Paine and Jesus. The Buddha and Krishnamurti as sublime as Li Po or Lao Tse.

Our cultures' shared beliefs in intellectual inquiry, personal enlightenment, and the inward and outward expansion of consciousness, ad infinitum, are the antithesis the monomaniacal self-paralyzed dogmatism of the "submitting" Muslim.

Prana yoga and the suras of the Koran are living on diferent planets. Om mane padme hum [Hail to the jewel in the lotus] is an incomprehensible concept to a Mohammedan, who is busy narrowing the range of human intelligence to fit the confines of 7th century Mo-speak and Mo-thought.

Let's have a sublime symbiosis between great cultures and life-loving peoples.

And fight -to the death if need be- all those trying to end our exploration of the Divine Mystery by locking us the joyless cage of their smug Islamic Certainty.

Namaste.

@American: You are one in a thousand or perhaps million. All I know is that most people simply dont-know/dont-care about "Jihad for Nizam-e-Mustafa". For many posters here things happening in India is just nother sordid border conflict. Sure Muslims plots to bomb Israel make a bigger news than Muslms obliviating hundreds of Kaffir wogs with an alarming regularity. Frankly, how many of you have ever been affected affected by Jihad, personally. I for one have already lost my homeland (Sindh,Pakistan) to the tide of Jihad. If history of Jihad in India is anything to go by, we dont have any future, its just past repeating itself all over again.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/09guest.htm

More proof that Gandhi is a hindu (and not a christian or a muslim). Both Bush and the
King of Saudi Arabia refuse to go to his memorial simply because he was cremated (a hindu practise) and not buried. But it is a topic for another day.

TRACK BACK

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1435044.cms

Bush went to the Gandhi memorial (unlike the King of
Saudi Arabia). Whether the link I posted earlier about Bush not planning to visit Gandhi memorial or whether his
advisors prevailed on him, I do not know. But it was
certainly a wise decision (unlike the King of Saudi Arabia who comes across as a fundamentalist). Bush
is certainly bending backwards to accommodate India
and India should reciprocate his friendship fully.

I think Manmohan Singh is doing a good job of continuing to build a good relationship with US.
He voted against Iran twice despite a threat to
his government from the communists.

I want this relationship to grow.

Reading whole of the discussion above, one thing is clear that america is the only superpower but americans know little about other "civilizations."

iqbal-

It's hard to get people to read about Mahadeviyakka's unique take on being a gymnosophist or the meaning of Kali's symbolic skirt when they are distracted by the bloody chaos that the Muslims blare into the news nightly, spreading hysterical carnage from Bagdhad to Islamabad, Samara to Tehran, screaming "Allahu akbar!".

Any good reading to suggest, or online links that'll enrich?

As T.S. Eliot quoted:

Shantih. Shantih. Shantih.

To all the above posters

Is this a battle worth having, when the real threat - Islam - threatens us both? To all the Indians critics of US here, before you expect the US to take India's side in this, first convince enough Hindus in India to vote for anti-Islamic parties. The US is not going to be more catholic than the pope, or more pro-Hindutva than Hindus. As for the US critics of India here, implying that Hindus are the same as Muslims is like saying that Christians are the same as Muslims.

And to Pythagoras - I'll grant you that India was de facto pro-Soviet during the cold war. However, since it ended, and the Nehru Gandhi dynasty did as well, India has been more anti-Jihadi than pro-Jihadi.

"To all the Indians critics of US here, before you expect the US to take India's side in this, first convince enough Hindus in India to vote for anti-Islamic parties. " sorry infidel pride the problem here is the US. The US ist the only country that has the power to create an alliance against Islam. NOt the other way around. And even if the US were to signal tomorrow it wanted a grand alliance against Islam any prudent leader would hesitate to follow. The US has accused so many countries of racism against muslims and in the last ten years has broken up a few balkan countries with the excuse of protecting muslims. If you were to openly back the US in a crusade against Islam you are opening yourself up by admiting that you are an Islamaphobic nation and risk being bombed. There is an election in 2008 and if pro jihad Hillary gets in it would be a mistake to be openly anti Muslim. And as bad as the Clintons are bush is only a bit better. You had just last week jack straw in England blaming the cypriot government for the division of the island. And it looks like the US is pushing full steam ahead for the independance of Kosovo. The US right now is militant Islams best friend.

Pythagoras is right that India was a socialist pro-soviet
country during the cold war (even though it claimed that it was non-aligned). It was a Nehruvian folly (and Nixon's folly too). Failed socialism exacerbated the poverty in India and so there was a
price to pay. But it has surely and
slowly tilted pro US since with both the Congress and the BJP (the largest parties in India) favoring a pragmatic approach to a strong relationship with US.
India needs US as much as US needs India in an
unstable world. India is not a monolithic country.
Having said that, India and US may not become allies
in the same way as US and Britain are but pragmatism, trade and an unstable middle east will force the two countries
ever closer. Personally, I welcome it.

-Vikrant_Camberleykar

Profitsbeard's answer to iqbal mirrors an answer I would have to one of your above posts. While no one in America who knows about Mohammedan brutality in your country would trivialize or diminish it (at least, I'd hope not), the fact is Americans are treated to weekly, if not daily, footage of frothing Koran bangers yelling "Death to America" and "Death to Israel". However, we do not see crowds all over North Africa, through South West Asia and into your country (and no, I don't take them to represent all or even a majority of your citizenry) yelling "Death to India". I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that we don't see it.

One cannot reasonably expect a population to be as concerned with another nation's problems as it is with its own. That's a cold truth one has to remember when one is discussing the relative concerns of 6.5 billion people distributed over an entire planet. First comes my family, then my neighbor, my nation, only then, other nations (and no I'm not gonna drop any of the assorted deities in there). There's a reason why we didn't have any people in wheelchairs in the Infantry (Hu-ah!). One must be in fighting shape one's self in order to aid others. For the time being we have enough trouble with these carpet-chewing madmen and their supporters, but that does not mean that we're not still occupying two sectors of the same front.

"Sure Muslims plots to bomb Israel make a bigger news than Muslms obliviating hundreds of Kaffir wogs with an alarming regularity. Frankly, how many of you have ever been affected affected by Jihad, personally."-

I'm not going to bring up 911 or anything like that, and I'm not going to play a relativist numbers game, but don't discount the friends, buddies, and familes of the over 2200 American servicemen and women that have been murdered by these jihadi filth in Iraq and Afghanistan, I don't have the latest number in front of me. Not to mention the families, buddies, and friends of warriors from a substantial number of other nations that have been slain taking the fight to these bastards.

Respect and regards

Dear members of jihadwatch

The posts to the news topic above have been varied and conflicting and as infidel pride quote "is this battle worth having" is a question worth pondering upon.
Post Independent India has traditonally more dependent and "friendly" with the erstwhile USSR. But a large part of this policy was also a direct result of America's support for Pakistan. The only thing the Indian masses saw about the U.S was fact that the U.S were active supporters of despotic islamofascist regimes in Pakistan. A lot of the animosity did not come from the fact that Americans pioneered this or that, but from the fact that America was Pakistan's ally.
India is not a mass of jealous, illiterate people, struggling in an unconscious void. We are an emerging nation built upon the noble principles of democracy. The same principles of democracy upon which the the pillars of governance in the west is based upon. Our constituion is not communist or fascist, it is a sovereign socialist, secular, democratic republic.
India is the best possible ally that the US can have. We, AS INDIANS, bear no animosity to the visit of the President of the United States to our country. We welcome him with open arms, in the hopes of a lasting strong friendship between the US and India.
This news post is about "islamofascists" and this list will include commis, and pseudo socialists who conveniently hoodwink reality in the name of some unattainable utopia, in the face of an imminent danger such as fascist islam. But friends, isn't that the situation everywhere in the world. Isn't that the reason why people like us, all infidels and proud to be so, gather and express our views here on jihadwatch, and countless other sites.
We are here "together" to propagate the truth, to dispel the lies that islamofascists seek to spread, to form a voice behind our fears, and to invite others to our fold. We are to preserve the right to freedom, the right of expression and all the rights that all our ancestors all over the world gave their lives for.
Now are we going to fight together against this nazism, or are we going to quarrel amongst ourselves and watch ourselves being subjugated slowly by slowly, by force or by taqqiya, without resistance, till we are all either dhimmis or muslims.
Remember the fascist propaganda that we are dealing with has been in existence for centuries altogether. It is strong and pervasive. By fighting amongst ourselves, we strengthen this beast, and give it the victuals with which it will grow stronger and eventually slay us.
We are all in this together, and we can win this war by being together, as infidels, "ONE FOR ALL AND ALL FOR ONE".

For a free world

Rajeev

"I always thought Delhi didnt have many Muslims? i thought the majority of Muslims where in Kashmir?"

Yes Delhi has huge muslim population and most of them live in slums. I always wonder why i find most of the people living in filthy slums in my home town of Bangalore are muslims?. Muslims in Bangalore live mostly in slums around railway lines and the dirt and filth that you see in those areas they live makes everyone sick and induces a vomiting sensation. May be they think they should live a hell life on the earth and go to heaven when they die..

One cannot reasonably expect a population to be as concerned with another nation's problems as it is with its own.

Sure, i cant expect Americans to be concerned about the problems of Hindus, but the desire to treat this whole situation as one big war of Judeo-Christian values and Islamic ones is fatal to most western commentators. The jihadists who fight Hindus are humanised as "freedom fighters","separatists" or "armed political groups" (as in amnesty speak). Any group collection money for Al-Qaeda, Hamas would be quickly wounded up but groups collecting money for jihadi organisations like LeT, JeM, HuM collect money with impunity here in UK. I know that the mosque down my street finances "martrydom operrations" in India, but sadly cant do anything about it. Hindu lives you see are worthless.

To all the Indians critics of US here, before you expect the US to take India's side in this, first convince enough Hindus in India to vote for anti-Islamic parties.

Get off your self-delusion dude. Only thing US can do to help India is stop arming Pakistan with F-16s.

The welcome mat is out in Pakistan . . . a US diplomat was murdered in a homicide bombing by the US counselate in Karachi. Why do we even have a mission in that city??? Also, some staged, fake, on cue raid on the border zone b/w the Paks and Afghans . . . yea right against foreign fighters(I'm sure that was to curry favor from the US).

"The jihadists who fight Hindus are humanised as 'freedom fighters','separatists' or 'armed political groups' (as in amnesty speak)."

I can't speak for others, but I've never seen or heard of those vermin described in those terms. Once again, not saying it doesn't happen, just that I've never seen it. If I understand "amnesty speak" as referring to Amnesty International, I'm reasonably sure a large number of us on this board, not to mention many in this country (U.S.A. as you might have surmised), are aware that AI is largely made up of leftists convinced that any kind of power a nation may have must have come at someone elses expense, and misguided kids going to college on their parent's dime who think that a university acceptance letter is as good as a degree and the four years of classes are just a formality. A veritable font of moral equivalence and holier-than-thou denunciation. And no, not all of us see it as a Judeo-Christian vs. Islamic conflict. I will not bother looking up all the other postings, but many people on this site have recognized it for the civilized world vs. Islamic world struggle that it is.

Respect and regards

Dear Members of JihadWatch

Namaste to all of you, especially you profitsbeard, to whom I apologize for not giving you my respect earlier.

I have just heard from my friends in Mumbai that muslim mobs have been rioting in Mumbai city (near Chattrapati Shivaji Railway Station)-report unconfirmed. Crowd numbers are not known, but they are large and destructive.
I also hear that they have put caricatures of the pope's head on a monkey in posters in that area, which is Muslim dominated.
It seems that they are protesting Bush's visit to India.

Keep in touch, let all infidels know of these B**ds pursuits.

well said, the Hindu

I worry for India though. The Indian Media cant even talk about the Hindu holocaust at the hands of Muslims, in case it upsets the Muslims in the country.

If thats the kind of power the minority has in India, then India is no different from europe.

Posted by: raulb at March 1, 2006 04:19 PM

“The only thing Muslim fundamentalists care about is themselves, everything is a cover for control and telling other people how to live from their self erected pedestal.

Muslims are clearly unable to live in peace with outher societies, when in a majority there is active oppression of the minorities and when they are in a minority there is a sense of victimhood and injustice.”

What an elegant summary of the nature and operations of Muslim scums! I am enlightened and salute you, “raulb”! With insight like that, if “raulb” is a financial trader or investor, I bet he must be a good and rich one. Argument for the sake of argument doesn’t pay, especially in the financial world. Only following the true trend does.

raulb:
Maybe you haven't heard of the BJP and Narendra Modi and other fine specimens of the human species.
raulb:
But this doen't make wierdos like the BJP right.
Your history of India book starts after Babri mosque went down('92). Conveniently forgetting the role of muslims and Congress.
1983 Nellie massacre and 1989 Bhagalpur massacre(approx 7000 cultists dead), 1984 anti sikh riots in Delhi(approx 3000 dead). In all these years, the Govt in power was CON-gress.

raulb:
Islam is in crisis, but it will be dangerous to let fundamentalists from the other side hijack the voice of reason.

Islamists only wet their pants when they hear the voice of opposing fundamentalists. In hindi, zahar hi zahar ko kaat ta hai.

Vikrant

Dunno about UK, but here, in US, LeT, JeM, HuM are all on the terror list, and it is illegal to fund them just as much as it is Hamas and al Qaeda (although the State Dept is now seemingly exploring how to fund the former). Whatever dhimmitude one may accuse the president of, one thing he hasn't done is categorize any of these groups as freedom fighters.

I agree with you on the F16s (your snide comments about my self-delusion notwithstanding), but that doesn't detract from my earlier post - if a majority of Indians refuse to vote for anti-Islamic parties on that criteria, then they have no business blaming the US for not seeing the problems India faces as emanating from Islam. And don't tell me about the NDA - the only way that could happen was for the BJP to sell its secular allies on the idea that Vajpayee (and later Advani) were secular i.e. dhimmis.

I think, at least it's my impression that Vikrant is on the right side of the Jihadi debate... but sometimes the snideness and anti-Americanism of the poster makes me wonder. At the very least, he seems "conflicted" in the modern parlance. Take a page out of thehindu's playbook above, Vikrant. He knows how to make friends...

"India is the best possible ally that the US can have. We, AS INDIANS, bear no animosity to the visit of the President of the United States to our country. We welcome him with open arms, in the hopes of a lasting strong friendship between the US and India."

Comments such as: "Only thing US can do to help India is stop arming Pakistan with F-16s" and others just don't cut it now, do they?

Sure, It's high time for the US to re-assess our relationships with India and the den of snakes in Pakistan. But your thoughts seem sometimes to emerge from a vacuum of amnesia regarding the long Cold War and who allied themselves with whom in that long drawn out miserable war -- ever heard about it? It's fascinating stuff.

And here we are... barely a decade beyond the Cold War era, yet some seem to exhibit a peculiar amnesia about that long relentless battle. Some seem completely insensate as to the implications for the world had AMERICA lost it... As I recall, India usually cast her lot with the commies in that war -- or am I thinking about another subcontinent? It's not as if we would have chosen the cesspool of Pakistan over India had their political polarities been switched during that long expensive global conflict.

Or are you one who never viewed the defeat of communism as a splendid accomplishment -- Oh -- that would explain some of the apparent amnesia... but not all...

Tiny Minority of Extremists link