They wasted no time. From AP:
BERLIN (AP) -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warned Iran on Thursday the "international community is united" in the dispute over its nuclear program, but a Tehran envoy defiantly rejected a U.N. call to reimpose a freeze on uranium enrichment.Rice spoke after a meeting in Berlin among diplomats from the five veto-wielding members of the U.N. Security Council plus Germany over ways to press Iran to stop enriching uranium, which can be used for weapons. Iran says its program is peaceful.
The meeting follows agreement Wednesday by the 15-member Security Council to ask the U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, to report back in 30 days on Iran's compliance with demands to stop enriching uranium.
In Vienna, Iran's chief representative to the IAEA, Ali Asghar Soltanieh, told The Associated Press that "it is impossible to go back to suspension."
"This enrichment matter is not reversible," Soltanieh said.
Rice said the Berlin meeting sends "a very strong signal to Iran that the international community is united."
We'll see about that.
You guys tipped your hand, now I see there is another avenue to investigate. My suspicions have been confirmed. Thanks, for everything.
OT~ Here's some good news.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/29/eveningnews/main1454613.shtml
(CBS) Wouldn't it be nice if, one day, we didn't have to worry about the ups and downs of the gas markets?
Well in Brazil, the fifth largest country in the world, there's a plan to become free from imported oil, not in the next 30 years, not in the next 10, but by the end of this year, reports CBS News correspondent Trish Regan.
That's primarily because while the rest of the world was mapping the human genome, scientists in Brazil were mapping the DNA of sugar in an effort to create a cleaner, cheaper alternative to gasoline: sugarcane ethanol.
They succeeded. Brazil's ethanol is about 30 percent less expensive than gasoline; according to the World Bank, it's about 50 cents cheaper per gallon to produce sugarcane ethanol. And although ethanol gets slightly less mileage, it's still cheaper on a per-mile-driven basis.
"The way we figure it, ethanol will be cheaper than gasoline as long as the price of oil is over $45 a barrel," said William Bernquist, coordinator for research and development at the Sugar Cane Technology Institute in Piracicaba, Brazil.
With oil upwards of $60 dollars a barrel, and no relief in sight, Bernquist predicts that ethanol will stay cheaper for some time.
"We started our ethanol program in the '70s because of the oil crisis in the '70s," he said. "And so we had to survive."
And "survival" meant finding a homegrown source of fuel, says Eduardo Carvalho, president of Sugar Cane Agroindustry Union. "We had no money to pay for the import of oil," he told Regan.
As chief economic advisor to Brazil's finance minister in the 1970s, Eduardo Carvalho pushed for government subsidies to help the fledgling sugarcane industry take shape.
Carvalho told Regan that it's a good feeling to know that by the end of the year his country will no longer have to rely on the Middle East for oil. "(It's) extremely important," he said. "We feel very proud."
Beginning in the 1970s, every gas station in the country was required to have at least one ethanol pump and the government mandated that all gasoline be mixed with ethanol.
"We began to blend increasing quantities of ethanol in our gasoline pool," Carvalho said.
But, as the ethanol began to replace gasoline, that led to another development: a brand new kind of car called a "flex vehicle." The car gives you the option of using a gasoline ethanol blend or 100 percent ethanol depending on whatever is cheaper. In San Paolo, Brazil, ethanol is the cheaper fuel to use.
Today, 70 percent of new cars sold in Brazil are flex vehicles, which cost no more than a regular car.
With the fuel environmentally cleaner to burn and the car cheaper to run, you've got to ask whether there is any downside to the fuel.
Carvalho says the biggest downside is the oil industry. "They aren't able to sell their product. … Basically, the people who produce oil, they don't like us … because we are getting their markets. … It's very simple."
The U.S. has made inroads on ethanol, but the focus here has been on corn-based ethanol, which is more expensive to process. By any measure, the U.S. is still probably decades behind Brazil on this alternative energy front.
Trish Regan
©MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.
When are the rest of the countries going to stop kissing Saudi tush and work on this. No more billions in their pockets. It sure would be cheaper and smarter to move to this fuel. If Brazil can be fuel independant by the end of this year, that proves it can be done. Why does my suspicious mind think the oil companies have prevented this from happening everywhere?
The cryptic remark by "kentim" above is a response to the removal of postings having nothing to do with Jihad or dhimmitude, but all about various conspiracy theories about who is, or is not, "really behind" everything that happens. Conspiracy-theorists, of any kind -- Trilateral Commissions, World Zionism, International Capitalism as Manipulated by Men in Davos or the Bohemian Grove -- are simply not part of what is going to be allowed to use up precious space at this website. This is not a site where every hobbyhorse is to be ridden until it dies, and then beating it. Beating a dead horse, even if it is a hobbyhorse, just cannot take up space here.
Good God. Isn't there enough craziness going around? Does this website, run by sane people, havee to entertain all those who wish to post about their "investigations" and their "suspcions" or rather their "certainties" about "conspiracies" when there are probably a hundred thousand websites devoted to conspiracy theories of one sort or another that would be happy to welcome such stuff, and where each paricipant can egg on the other, to come up with the best way to simplify the complexity of things.
If you are in psychic need of some conspiracy theory, the simplest way out is just to revert to Islam. Then you can blame the Infidels for everything. So comforting, so convenient. Why not? Meanwhile, those seeking some grand explanation rooted in conspiracies, involving a small group of people who are quite deliberately manipulating all the rest of us, will just have to take that kind of thing elsewhere.
End of story. End of darkly-hinted at "conspiracy"(we "tipped our hand" etc.) that have given "kentim" "another avenue to investigate."
Okay, boys. How'd we do? You know who you are -- you, the members of the International Capitalists or Elders of Zion, you the members of the Tri-Lateral Commission, or the New York Yacht Club, or the Skull & Bones, or the Boys of Davos or Bohemian Grove, or even, quite possibly, the Beagle Boys, all of you who have behind the innocent backs of the entire world have been secretly, step by step, secretly executing your plan of world domination, in your nearly-unstoppable desire for World Domination and the Enslavement of Mankind, where do we go to get our pay-off? I'm feeling peckish, and I need some lunch money.
The "international community"? There is no "international community." What shared values, what shared anything, links Iceland with the Islamic Republic of Iran, Syria with Denmark, Ecuador with Egypt, France with North Korea? The phrase is used unthinkingly by unthinking people, and contributes to the general confusion, the general idiocy. Step by step, the language of public life has to be cleansed of what is a substitute for thought, that creates a false reality, a false sense that there is something called "the international community." That kind of thing encourages people to be less wary of such efforts of that posited "international community" as the United Nations. The United Nations is corrupt and corrupting. It has been infiltrated by agents -- informal agents, but agents nonetheless -- of what may be termed an Islamintern. No need to encourage already unwary Infidels to believe in something called the "international community."
In judging someone in public life, the words and phrases used by that someone are a good guide to value. A pronounced willingness to be satisfied with phrases on tap, the cliches of the particular time and place, suggest that the person in question is unlikely to think things through for himself, to possess the necessary independence to reject received ideas, capable of pierceingthe assorted non-corporate veils thrown by language, especially the language of hot-house "towns" ("in this town..." as James Reston or William Safire or Tom Friedman like to write) such as Washington, D.C.
When Condoleeza Rice uses such a phrase as "the internatonal community" -- we learn a great deal. About her mental laziness. About her willingness to use a phrase that is empty of meaning or, rather, what meaning it has is meretricious. Not good.
"You guys tipped your hand, now I see there is another avenue to investigate. My suspicions have been confirmed. Thanks, for everything."
Pay no attention to this. FNORD
George:
The word you're looking for is
"Al-Baqara!"
Say it ten times and make sure Rice gets it right this time!
See, this is what is wrong with these people. If you politely and noncommitally ignore demands, you'll get much further in life.
The United Nations of the Third World defanged, Oh Snap!!!
Hugh, I think the problem has gone beyond intellectual laziness to consorting with delusion. Things have turned out very differently from how the administration had thought they would. If they could have had more reasonable foresight, they might have put this Iraq gamble to the American people this way:
There is an easy way for us to handle the Muslim world and a hard way. We're trying the easy way first and if that doesn't work...then we go to plan B.
That would have been realistic and the American people and the Iraqi people both would have understaood the situation more clearly from the first.
Now we have admin officials running around accusing others who somehow lack their delusional vision of being xenophobic or racist or both.
This has got to stop.
Yeah, yeah, sure Hugh. Hehe.
What is Jihad Watch?
Passive-aggressive DEMOGOGERY.
Why?
Learn about the Heritage Foundation, the Free-Congress Foundation, Paul Weyrich, David Horowitz, George Bush.
Elitist domination of the world Matrix-style, with a "special" brand of Christianity to legitimize it.
Fear is a very useful tool.
War is a very useful tool.
Goodbye.
And it was a cute trick to delete my post where I apologized for my frustration/anger induced comment concerning my "screw Israel" comment at the beginning of that thread.
Possibly trying to leave the door open for charges of "anti-semetism"? Hmm?
LOL. You really need some help kentim.
"Elitist domination of the world Matrix-style, with a "special" brand of Christianity to legitimize it."
Where did you get that memo?
That was supposed to be a secret. I warned our lizard masters that our security was getting lax.
kentim, another conspiracy that I was left out of. How do I get on the distribution list?
No. I just deleted a number of the posts about "who is really behind everything that happens" (no matter what candidate is proposed for the honor) all at once. My time is precious. I'm trying to memorize Menenius's speech in Coriolanus. No time to waste judging exactly which posts to delete and which to save.
If I needed to convince others that deleting conspiracy-theorist postings that use up time and space at JW is justified, because this is not, contrary to rumor, the Thidwick-the-Big-Hearted-Moose of sites, where all are welcome no matter what (that way madness lies), you have made my task easier.
Now, how do you say in Latin not "look around" as in "se monumentum requiris, circumspice" but rather "look up" as in, "look up at the postings by 'kentim' at 10:48 and 11:06?
Rebecca JW said
Very good point. Because of their failure (and how could it be described as anything but a failure) to properly predict the response of Iraq (and Syria and Afghanistan and Iran etc.), they are blaming and demonizing anyone who tries to get them back on track, back to reality. They have become a large part of the problem, not of the solution.
Not wanting to be a "flip-flopper", the administration just stubbornly continues down the road that by now everyone agrees is the wrong one. Round Islam peg doesn't fit into a square Judeo-Christian hole? Well then, get a bigger hammer! Just keep pushing and pounding, it's gotta work. If someone suggests moving the peg over a little bit to the other hole, that person is "giving up" or "letting the other side win", and un-American traitors.
And the original failure was so avoidable in the first place: with our huge intelligence sector, and the resources of the State Department, you'd think someone could have simply opened up a Qur'an and looked up the quotes that the jihadists are spouting. Even the most rudimentary education about Islam, about history, would have put us in a much better position.
Don't tell anyone, but "Kentim" spelled backwards stands for Mecca Is The New Enemy of the Kaffir. I knew it was a conspiracy!!
Goodbye indeed, Kentim.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130052006
Iran: Amnesty International calls for end to death penalty for child offenders
Amnesty International is calling on the Iranian authorities to take immediate steps to end the use of the death penalty for child offenders. Two new cases have been reported in which child offenders – persons under 18 at the time of the crime – have been sentenced to death by Iranian courts, in breach of Iran’s obligations under international human rights law.
On 3 January, 18-year-old Nazanin was sentenced to death for murder by a criminal court, after she reportedly admitted stabbing to death one of three men who attempted to rape her and her 16-year-old niece in a park in Karaj in March 2005. She was seventeen at the time. Her sentence is subject to review by the Court of Appeal, and if upheld, to confirmation by the Supreme Court.
According to reports in the Iranian newspaper, E’temaad, Nazanin told the court that three men had approached her and her niece, forced them to the ground and tried to rape them. Seeking to defend her niece and herself, Nazanin stabbed one man in the hand with a knife that she possessed and then, when the men continued to pursue them, stabbed another of the men in the chest. She reportedly told the court “I wanted to defend myself and my niece. I did not want to kill that boy. At the heat of the moment I did not know what to do because no one came to our help”, but was nevertheless sentenced to death.
Another child offender, 19-year-old Delara Darabi, was sentenced to death by a court in the city of Rasht for a murder committed when she was 17 years old. She denied the killing but the sentence was upheld by the Supreme Court at the beginning of January, though her lawyer is reportedly appealing the decision.
The Persian language news service Aftab reported that Delara Darabi and a 19-year-old man, Amir Hossein, broke into a house intending to commit burglary, but killed the woman who lived there. Delara Darabi initially confessed to the murder, but subsequently retracted her confession and stated that she had admitted responsibility for the murder at the request of Amir Hossein, to help him escape execution, because he believed that she would not be sentenced to death because she was under 18 at the time of the murder. She said that she was under the influence of sedatives during the burglary.
As a state party to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) and the Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), Iran has undertaken not to execute anyone for an offence committed when they were under the age of 18. Nevertheless, Amnesty International has recorded 18 executions of child offenders in Iran since 1990. In 2005 alone, at least eight executions of child offenders were recorded.
The Iranian authorities have been reported for about four years to be considering passing legislation to ban the use of the death penalty for offences committed under the age of 18. Despite this, over the past two years, the number of child offenders executed has risen. Recent comments by a judiciary spokesperson suggest that the new law would in any case only prohibit the death penalty for certain crimes when committed by children, as he stated that “qisas” crimes (retribution – the sentence issued in cases where defendants are found guilty of murder) were a private, not a state matter. The majority of executions of child offenders in Iran are cases of “qisas” where the individual has been found guilty of murder.
The UN Committee on the Rights of the Child, which monitors states’ compliance with the CRC, in January 2005 urged Iran to immediately stay all executions of people convicted of crimes committed when they were under 18, and to abolish the use of the death penalty in such cases.
On 9 December, Philip Alston, the United Nations Human Rights Commission’s Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, said “At a time when virtually every other country in the world has firmly and clearly renounced the execution of people for crimes they committed as children, the Iranian approach is particularly unacceptable... It is all the more surprising because the obligation to refrain from such executions is not only clear and incontrovertible, but the Government of Iran has itself stated that it will cease this practice.”
Amnesty International is calling on the Iranian authorities to prevent the executions of Delara Darabi and Nazanin and other child offenders, and to take urgent steps to abolish the death penalty for all child offenders in accordance with Iran’s obligations as a state party to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
The UN Committee on the Rights of the Child, which monitors states’ compliance with the CRC, in January 2005 urged Iran to immediately stay all executions of people convicted
geesh would that cover suicide bomber killers...that are under 18! seems they just get rid of the problem themselves! lol
so a gang member with a gun can kill your kid and get away with it if he is 17 years old! l say screw the UN.. they should look into who are doing the killing like your regular islamofacists!
Bunch of sheep.
The TOPIC was the concept of WW3. A pretty wide-ranging IDEA.
I WAS and am "ON-TOPIC".
Yeah, it's just soooooo unbelievable that ultra-elites above it all would seek total domination!! You believe "conspiracies" sold by zillion dollar entities(foundations and "think-tanks), but any thing that shows their little game is just sooooo "ridiculous". What a joke. But all the hysterics about Islam taking over America, and war in the streets and rounding up all the muslims, exterminating them et.al. ad-nauseum... That's just so much more "rational".. Hahahahaha!
One of the posts, I hadn't saved the other(and notice there is no mention of the "protocols...Zion"):
___
Thank you Lili.
They may not like what I say because the logical conclusion derived from actual facts, statements, and observations leads to a very unpleasant reality. The core of which is that we have been living a lie, in a sort of Matrix.
It must be stated that there are powerful entities(international banking and finance) behind and above the monopolist corporations, and not all corporations are part of it. Wilson sold us out with the income tax and the creation of the Federal Reserve.
I don't think they believe or understand the effectiveness of systematic(intentions for which are immaterial) psychological manipulation and deception. That reality really is just a question of perceptions, inside our own limited world, reality can be "tested", but outside our private(personal) world(life)things are much blurrier and much more difficult to discern truth from falsehood, fantasy from reality, etc. But there is a method that can lead to probable reality. It's just the basic scientific approach. But one needs to be determined to accept the "truth"(high-probability)regardless whether it is pleasant or causes mental/emotional pain. The truth can threaten or destroy identity, it can cause a "crisis of belief" and cognitive dissonance.
Of course our masters know this(or knew it, it's questionable whether the thing is on chaotic auto-pilot at this time)so they have programed and conditioned us to react(emotionally) in a specific way to certain thoughts and ideas. It's just basic group dynamics and group psychology. By fostering a collectivist mindset(group identity), independant thoughts and ideas are seen as heretical and too "fantastic" or "crazy" to consider seriously. Independant thinking is a direct challenge to the "group", and it is viewed as an assault, or like treason. Political parties are the same way, they are basically a mind-trap. The biggest mistake is to buy into the idea that they are opposites, they are only opposites superficially.
Demogogery is a well-known tool of exploitation. Fear is too. Grab hold of the emotions and they determine what direction or path the thoughts will take. It is a hijacking of the thought-process.
People who think there is going to be some kind of Muslim vs. Infidel war in the U.S.A. really are going off the deep-end. It is concievable for it to happen in Europe, but the situation here is very different. It certainly can get worse, because of immigration and the continued pursuit of "globalization"(which is what allows and enables the threat), but it will still be years before the muslims here get to a point to engage in some kind of "intifada", they are way to weak and vulnerable at this time.
What the real threat is is catastrophic(WMD) terrorism or random killings. Random killings are just a fact of life, not much to do about them. A WMD attack will originate outside our borders(that is if the "government" is not responsible), so that goes back to the obsession with "globalization" and the elimination of borders and soveriegnty. In other words they will risk a catastrophic attack, and even sacrifice many people to forge ahead with the destruction of the nation.
If a catastrophic attack occurs, there will be no "militias" running around fighting muslims. Martial-law will be declared and any militias getting in the way will be rounded up and godknowswhat will happen to them. It's the big cities where an attack will occur and the "authorities" are well prepared to totally suspend the Constitution and basically act like a force from the USSR. They have been brainwashed/programed to believe they are acting legally and for the "greater good", they have been fully incululated with the collectivist/statist mindset, and the idea that the "government" knows best and must sometimes use oppression to maintain order. The end justifies the means. They won't view their actions as oppression and tyranny, their perspective is the "government's" perspective. Otherwise they would not have the job they have.
If a catastrophic attack occurs people won't be fighting the muslims, they will be fighting the "government". Bit by bit, undisguised totalitarianism will be instituted. We already have a police-state, but it will get worse, not better.
Of course, I could be wrong(maybe a new George Washington will step up), but I'm not optimistic.
Posted by: kentim [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 29, 2006 08:33 AM
Suckers.
Iran to World: Up your nose with a rubber hose!
Welcome Back, Ayatollah!
Not to be confused with:
Welcome Back, Kafir!
The last posting by "kentim" above will not be deleted, so that it may be left for examination as Exhibit #1. Those who share his belief that right now we all live in a "police-state" may enjoy that posting. Those who do not think so may also derive enjoyment, of a different kind.
That posting may also be regarded as a swan-song, as in "il chante son trepas." "Trepas" is right. From now on, at the Private Property of this site, the No Trespassing Sign for those wishing to bring up those topics which consume them and which, they devoutly believe, contain the Key to All Mythologies (sorry, I meant the Key to Explaining Everything), but that gets in the way of the matter at hand, will be escorted to the door. The opinion of the Judges -- including Guest Judge Paula Abdul -- is final.
Works for me. Bye.
kentim:
Not the first time. I'll believe it when I see it.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Hobbyhorses certifies that no hobbyhorses were harmed in posting this comment.
But we're not going to open the cages and let them run free-- the free-range hobbyhorse is known to prey on other endangered species, like relevance and common cause.
kareful kentim - the magicians are watching - inside joke!
Don't go! Your input is stimulating; and who knows - you may be on to something. No harm in hearing what you have to say.
Shutting someone up doesn't make the "possibility" go away. Why are you folks threatened by his opinion?
"Why are you folks threatened by his opinion?"
-- from a posting above
Kindly read in the Archives the article about "What This Website is For." No one is "threatened." But if there are 17 postings, all prompted by, and many of them posted by, somoeone who has all kinds of dark conspiracy theories, this gets in the way. This is not Hyde Park Corner. Attempts to bully the proprietor and his assistant will not work. That which contributes, or does not unduly take away from, the main point, will be left up. All kinds of things are left up. For years things were left up which were then carefully, even tediously, answered -- though at the flick of a switch they could simply have been eliminated. Why? Because those objections were about the matter at hand.
Why is this so hard to understand? Look at other websites, where everyone and his brother takes the occasion to deliver himself of all kinds of things that have nothing to do with the supposed topic of conversation -- nor are redeemed by other virtues.
Go to those websites for conspiracy theorists and One-Stop Explanationsm if you feel the need. Or set up a separate website of all those who thought Jihad Watch should be endlessly available to them, no matter what, and are resentful that it is not, and wish to join together to create an alternative where, yet again, the threads will become threadbare very quickly.
La propriete prive. Defense d'entrer unless rules are complied with. Not hard to understand.
As for those whose leave-taking is taking some time, with goodbye after goodbye, there's an old line:
"Yes, but you don't go."
Why are you folks threatened by his opinion?
Because I secretly rule the world from my one-bedroom apartment, and all this US govt/Israel/Davos crap is stealing my thunder, dagnabbit. Just because I can't afford henchmen doesn't mean I'm not supressing the metric system. ;)
Seriously, though, a few thoughts on that:
(1) it's a distraction from the purpose of the site: to increase public awareness of the dangers and methods of global jihad.
Where the government bumbles in that regard (and it sure does), that's newsworthy. But the Bush admin is not waging the civilization-threatening war in the name of Allah. Neither is Israel, Bilderberg, or the aliens at Area 51 (rumor has it they're still obsessed with skee-ball).
(2) for all the groups out there that would like to smear Jihad Watch, the flimsiest reason-- such as the appearance of such content in the comments section-- to associate the site with the fringe, Michigan Militia/Tim McVeigh/Turner Diaries types would make their day and-- worst case scenario-- could send years of hard work and hard-earned credibility down the crapper.
That cannot happen.
Thanks Hugh -
I understand what you're saying, and I appreciate the need to lay down ground rules; but the rules of engagement seem to change from thread to thread - depending on "who" is saying "what".
Having said that, if someone has been asked REPEATEDLY to refrain from a certain topic, then that needs to be addressed. And I had no idea that you've been down this road with 'him' before.
Forget I said "threatened"....you obviously aren't....you're fed up!
JW ground rule # 10: be prepared to hit the ground running upon entry - or be crushed like a bug!
No, actually, I have never been told specifically, or "warned"(or deleted) until now. If I have, I missed that message.
But it does not matter, of course they are right, they own this site and can manage it however they please.
There really is no point in coming back after this, and I won't. Really. I have other things to do now.
Oh, and the cute emotion-trigger words and phrases being associated with me or my ideas are funny, it's soooo predictible now. Like puppets on a string. Like a auto-response.
Let's see some "united" warships steam into ports all around Iran. Then we can talk more comfortably.
kentim -
Well - then they can call us both crazy, because I happen to think that your research may have some merit.
And I've seen Hugh get-personal with other posters; so try not to take it personally.
Take care!
Hugh -
I think it's important that we be reminded of why we're here at JW, and like guests in your home, we need to follow the house rules; but what about you? Who holds your feet to the fire? I've seen you bloody and mame many a poster in the past without apology - and I have to wonder - does anyone hold you accountable too?
You know - it's easy to strike a keyboard punch at what seems like a blank, lifeless slate, but please remember, there are real people at the other end of that screen; and because of your position of power, you can verbally crucify them and then put them out on display - or not.
Maybe that's something we all need to keep in mind. Peace to you and all.
You know - it's easy to strike a keyboard punch at what seems like a blank, lifeless slate, but please remember, there are real people at the other end of that screen; and because of your position of power, you can verbally crucify them and then put them out on display - or not.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Yes, we do all need to remember there is a human being on the receiving end of whatever verbal barbs we care to trade. But before you lump Hugh in with history's great villains, consider the verbal abused leveled at him on what appears to be a daily basis lately by various posters, most often provoked only by an opinion he posts.
And yet, the response is firm and unequivocal, but always civil. I also suspect that if he ever really wanted to skewer someone, we've only seen a small fraction of that potential power. In sheer command of language, Louis Black would have nothing on a sufficiently inspired Hugh.
Other bits:
because of your position of power, you can verbally crucify them and then put them out on display - or not.
Not a question of power. I could conceivably do that, too.
Bits taken off larger bits:
verbally crucify
This is an unfortunate pattern in society. The more comfortable we get, and the more previously harmless things we consider offensive (simple criticism, disagreement, etc.) the more those so-called offenses are blown out of proportion in how awful they are.
For example, remember the legions of honked-off Muslim demonstrators who thought violence and destruction of property was a proportional response to 12 cartoons. Hey-- they were just that offended.
I just got news from the Mothership:
-"All conspiracies have been hereby cancelled."
Goodbye.
[Sound Efx: doppler whoosh of intellstellar drive inaugurating...]
Does that mean I can take off my tinfoil hat now?
Shinoliite -
Believe me - I have defended Hugh myself when I thought that he was wronged. In fact - this is the first time I've ever spoken up to tell him what I thought that's contrary to defending him. Hugh didn't just criticize someone else, Shino, he humiliated them (read the above posts).
You may think that that's ok, but I don't. Sorry, but we just don't see eye-to-eye on what happened. I do, however, understand why you would want to defend Hugh - he's a smart guy - but sometimes he can take it too far.
As far as his "position of power" goes, I think you misunderstood. I was referring to his ability to delete/remove someone from JW. I don't have that power, do you?
Time to start dinner!
Shino - I just reread my post to Hugh, and you didn't misunderstand me at all - I'm the one who didn't communicate very well.
When I mentioned his position of power, I followed with things that he "says", implying that he has more verbal power another poster. But what I meant by that, was what I stated above. Take care.
"position of power..."
-- from a posting above
I don't have, and I certainly don't want, a "position of power" as that would ordinarily be understood, here or anywhere else.
Any suggestion that some kind of unfair, even diabolical, campaign of censorship is underway is absurd. Here is what happens. Someone spots, on a thread, something amiss, something that violates guidelines. That someone then e-mails information about it to Robert Spencer. He takes a look, or asks others to take a look. Then something is or is not done. Some things will, if noticed, be deleted. Calls for mass murder, obscenity, crazed and illiterate postings, Muslim trolls mistaking this website for McElligot's Pool, and those who have their famous hobbyhorses, the things which consume them, because they think they have hit on the One Thing everyone needs to understand, the Explanation for Everything that has Remained Hidden Until Now.
Those riding these hobbyhorsess are not, though they may think they are, bringing the good news to Aix. Conspiracy theorists are a particular problem, at this website and at others. Even when they cancel each other out -- the way two madmen in a mental ward may both be convinced that each is Napoleon, or for that matter, each may be convinced that the other is Napoleon -- they use up space and time and the attention of visitors. They impose on Robert Spencer's good nature and good will.
Above is one example. One conspiracy theorist, reminding one of the old Monty Python skit, in which John Cleese is a guest on a talk show ad starts talking about "my theory, which is mine, about dinosaurs is..." and so on, comes on. Then he is joined by others, who agree or have their own theories, and they add their two cents, and we are off to the races, but instead of Willie Shoemaker up on Hobbyhorse #1, we have "kentim," and on Hobbyhorse #2, up is..., and so on.
Where is the discussion of the matters that this website has been set up to discuss? There is none.
For anyone to object to this minimal level of policing, and what's more, to do so petulantly, is dismaying, and silly.
The alternative is: no posting at all. There is no other alternative.
Hi Hugh -
Thanks for responding. I can see why you thought kentim was being testy, but I heard something else from his initial post; something I hear quite a bit of on JW - and that's sarcasm. In my opinion, he was simply being a smart ass - as so many other posters are, and on nearly every thread.
But if you heard testy; coupled by the fact that you thoroughly disagree with his theories, then your angry response makes sense.
Perhaps I'm naive about how JW defines "staying on topic", because to be perfectly honest with you, Hugh, I thought kentim and I WERE staying on topic.
Confused in California!
Peace and good night!
To me - testy says "Put up your dukes!" But sarcasm says something else - it's annoying for sure - but it isn't AS provocative, and it's something we can all graciously overlook, because we all do it.
Iran announces they will continue building nuclear weapons, and this thread is all about chat-room decorum. Unbelievable.
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Unbelievable, yes. But not conspiratorially so.
As Mahmoud of Iran shall be saying soon:
"Goodbye -and thanks for all the fish".
On topic-
How many Iranian variations on this Philip Glass-ine theme of "LYING TO THE INFIDELS" need we mock, criticize or merely laugh incredulously at?
Iran has a psy-ops hookah aimed at our butts and has been blowing smoke up there for decades.
Islam, meanwhile, needs new, more plausible falsehoods to keep us guessing.
We're getting too used to their standard issue b.s.
Instead of changing headlines on this perennial subject, we only require a single slug of: "Iran Lies Again- Part 22".
Or, perhaps:
"No nukes is good nukes."
Yes I know, I said I wasn't coming back.
Champ, if you are a truthseeker, which I think you are, you could check these links(I'm only leaving 2 sources,which will lead to many others, and must, the Truth consists of many Truths. We can come to our own conclusions, no one is perfect, so expecting perfection(absolute Truth) is unreasonable, it is not a valid reason for dismissal. Facts are what matters). It can explain the corruption, that's all it is, the "conspiracy", is corruption from above and instituted as "normal" below for convenience.
It is a denial of the existence of (f)actual Truth.
This is a denial of reality. Truth= the (f)Actual= the Reality. Denial(disconnection from) of reality(Truth) leads to insanity, death or both.
Subjective truth is based on emotion, therefore, true or false does not enter the equation, it is a fraudulent concept. Truth must be verifiable and falsifiable.
Actual Truth does exist. Science-based reasoning will lead us to it. Science-based reasoning will lead us to Him. He said: "I am the Way, I am the Truth, and I am the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Absolutism is egotism. Absolutism is a human effort to be God. "Objective" Truth cannot be "absolute" in human terms. It is only an effort, an effort to limit emotional interference, the effects of subjectivity. Emotions can blind us, emotions like Pride and Arrogance and Fear. We imagine we are too smart and wise to be fooled. But the Deciever knows our weaknesses. And he has many helpers, witting and unwitting.
Jihad Watch exposes a Lie, but it is not the only one, or even the most important one. It may be a convenient Truth, which the Deciever can use to it's advantage. He is the anti-Truth.
But it helped me. Search for Truth must never stop. And it should not stop here.
And now I am gone. Good Luck.
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~agourley/slavery.htm
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=home
I see the U.S. has offered aid to Iran after the earthquake.
How hysterical if those scumbags running the place actually take it. It would be yet another example of islamic hypocrisy.
Personally I say screw 'em. Let the oil rich Islamic regimes help their fellow Islamists.
I hope the UK does not send any help.
kentim
How can we miss you if you won't go away?
Thanks kentim!
Those two links are tucked safely away in my favorites folder - before the pismopal police department files another complaint.
I'll check-out these links, because I happen to think that satan DOES have his own henchmen and that they're planning something - the question is what? Again thanks!
Don't let these losers run you out of town - their bark is bigger than their bite.
Look forward to your future posts - minus any theories - yeah?
Hugh - Robert
You are not the losers I'm referring to - ahem!
"You are not the losers I'm referring to - ahem!"
-- from a posting above
I won't reply for Robert but the whole idea of "losers" and "winners" is one of the most sickening ini modern America. I am a loser and on the side of losers. I prefer losers to winners as these terms are currently defined in modern America, most of the time, by most people. Not all, but most. I root for losers. They may not know how to maneuver, how to cunningly craft their resumes, how to be properly "collegial," how to fit right in, how to claw their way to the top, how to push right into that CEO's office and arrange all kinds of dealing and wheeling and wheeling-dealing, by which they end up as such winners do and losers never do, how to make a killing on Wall Street through financial finagling, how to end up with a completely unnecessary and, given its size and their conceivable needs, usually quite undignified fortune. They know none of these baser arts, these cunning crafts; they just can't get the hang of them.
But those losers, as they are called by some, shall inherit the earth.
Hi Hugh -
No! I didn't mean you AT ALL; and maybe you didn't take it that way, but I wanted to make certain you knew that. You're a funny guy, with good solid insights, and I wanted you to know I don't see you that way - hardly!
Friends?