Iran wants UN to probe “rights abuses” in U.S.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Why? indeed, Mr. Mottaki.

Whilst the USA still maintains the death penalty like China, Iran, Saudi Arabia these snipes - with some justification - will continue. The fact that the accusation comes from Iran does not reduce it's implication. The USA should ban the death penalty and step up to the moral high ground. It's the only place to be when dealing with the savage enemy in the battle for hearts and minds.

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Mr. Mottaki;
Thanks for your faked concern, but "We the People" have got this covered. "We the People" don't need the United Nations of the Third World to do anything that "We the People" can take care of ourselves. "We the People" have our ballot boxes. "We the People" have our Constitution, and "We the People" have our 2nd Amendment.
Further proof that you Muslims have no idea about what true FREEDOM is all about.
As a Blackman in America, I take offence to you thinking that you're doing me a great service by putting the United Nation of the Third World in my business. How dare you!!! My forefathers fought the "good fight" to gain the rights that I now enjoy under the Constitution. The U.N. had nothing to do with it. Black people in America were abused and unjustly treated but that was in the past. You need to worry about what's going on in your country. I remember the pictures of "strange fruit". Only thing is your "strange fruit" still hang from your gallows in Iran. When I think of the story of my great grand uncle being lynched for protecting his mother from being raped by a whiteman, it hurts. But I don't hate. The whitemen involved with his lynching may not have been brought to justice, but this country has made great strides to make things right with black people.
And when did any Muslims come under attack in this country? What mosque that you know of was burned down? What neo-Muslim was put on trial for converting from Christianity in the United States? The way the liberal press is in this country, there is no way that such atrocities would have gone unreported. The Hollyweird left would have protested at the Academy Awards if this were true. Mr. Mottaki must have some inside track to infromation that our liberal press dosen't have access to.
But until Mr. Mottaki presents evidence of "Human Rights" abuse in our country, he should keep his big mouth shut, and stick the United Nations of the Third World where the sun don't shine.
Freedom, It didn't come cheap.
God bless America!!!

Turbinehead, your turbine is wrapped too tight.

"It's the only place to be when dealing with the savage enemy in the battle for hearts and minds."

Truth be told, I have pretty much given up on "heart and minds" and am quite willing to start burning down their damned huts.

And capital punishment should be meted out in cases of ATTEMPTED terrorism. Anytime the word allah is used by the perp, death penalty. And no twenty years of appeals. No last minute stays. These people should be dealt with swiftly and firmly.

These third world countries are just crying and screaming about us to cover their own abuses and crimes.

"And capital punishment should be meted out in cases of ATTEMPTED terrorism. Anytime the word allah is used by the perp, death penalty. And no twenty years of appeals. No last minute stays. These people should be dealt with swiftly and firmly."

I could not agree more
(For ONCE I am not being sarcastic or smart-a***ey)

It's a sad state in these muslim countries, when they hang a sixteen year old girl for protecting herself. Or a mentally deficient girl for being sold into prostitution by her parents.

These and others, are what should be making the entire world sit up and take notice.

It's just incredible how much these muslims enjoy killing another human being. Or dogs.

It's just incredible how much these muslims enjoy killing another human being. Or dogs.

Or "other things" to DOGS

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010760.php

I know Mr. Ape Pig. They have sick sexual perversians. I'll bet the knotholes in wood aren't safe either.

Isn't it sad that the only pleasure muslims get out of life is killing and perverted sex?

Ok, that only goes for muslim males. Poor women don't get a chance to enjoy sex. But, then, the women perpetuate that by cutting their daughters.

No doubt our American home grown left wingers, demogogues,Bush haters,Nazis',skin heads',communists',socialists',and anarchists' may come out of the woodwork to whine and fabricate such stories in this country. Michael Moore may even jump on the band wagon along with the reat of the America hating cronies,never mind the the Iranian kettle that hangs teenagers,stones women for adultery, kills Iranians for any number of up to 300 different blasphamy charges against eithr the Quran or the mullahocracy.

Is Libya still heading up the Human Rights Commission?

This probably WILL get some traction in the UN. It will give Europe the opportunity to look down its nose at US over our death penalty ("take the moral high ground") and Camp Gitmo.

I am against the death penalty, and if you want to know why, read my countryman Cesare Beccaria's treatise on crime and penalties, most often known by the Italian title "Dei Delitti e Delle Pene". I find it only acceptable in the case of warfare, for desertion or treason, or in the case of Nuremberg-style trials for politicians who deliberately ordered massacres. (Oh yes, before anyone asks, clerics too, if it can be shown that they are responsible for specific episodes.) In other words, I only accept it where there is an urgent and immediate need to strike terror: at war, with would-be traitors; and, always, with people (political leaders and the like) who have the power to provoke mass death. People who demand or encourage mass violence should do so with the knowledge that, if caught, they face hanging. In other words, I do not regard the death penalty as in any way having to do with justice, but with need. It is something to be used in desperate or extreme situations.

Politically, right now, the worst thing about the death penalty is that it is divisive. Its American supporters, as is all too clear from the entries in this thread, make of it a matter of macho self-assertion. The word "elitist" is always in the air. But in most of the rest of the free world, the death penalty is opposed by democratic majorities and has been revoked by democratic government. To take the attitude of Ironman Hondo in this column is to assume that only America is really democratic. And if you cannot see that this can be divisive, I do not know what more I can say.

turbinehead

"The USA should ban the death penalty and step up to the moral high ground. It's the only place to be when dealing with the savage enemy in the battle for hearts and minds."

A bit naive, aren't you? To think that removal of death penalty would mean anything to the enemies of the U.S. and that that would prevent them from trying to pull off other "human rights violations" hoaxes. My God, communist papers invented one capitalist human rights violation per day ...i'm exagerating, but you get the idea. The pool is immense, and so is the cynicism.

I am not stupid enough to think that America is on a par with Islamic countries for wilful violations of basic rights, but it would be equally foolish to claim America is a pristine example to the world.

There are more than enough examples every day, and the Islamic mentalists are not the only voices.

Boy that was a good laugh! (just ask the college students how their protests are supressed)Iran is fricken joke, islam is a fricken joke.

Wrong country, Mr Mottaki,

Perhaps Mr Mottaki Should stop wasting the Worlds time and concentrate on looking at abuses in countries closer to home.
China for example.
But then China has been elevated to Primary Trading Partner status with Iran. ($10 Billion)

We wouldn't want to rock that boat especially with sanctions looming and the possibility that China may end up as the ONLY trading partner Iran will have.

This is just like the ridiculous investigation into the truth of the Holocaust, juvinile at best

I get the impression that the majority of Islamic Government officials are children because the tone and delivery of their rhetoric sounds very very similar.
Both the old Iraq regime and now Iran continue to make ludicrous and childish counter claims.

There are crimes so heinous that absolutely demand the death penalty. There are criminals that have commited crimes and absolutely have no redemptive value. It costs to run prisons, support people for years upon years, lawyers after lawyers. Medical care, food, prison guards.

Who supports these people? Mmmhmmm. We do.

In a fairy tale world, people wouldn't kill, rape, terrorize and there would be no need for a prison at all. But we don't live in a fairy tale world. There really are people out there that have no business being around another human being.

What a bunch of rigmarole. Earth to what's your face, it's time to grow a brain. On a more serious note; Ironman, I'am glad to know, that from your troubling and stoic heritage, you sound like a reasonable, level-headed Patriotic Man. Cheers!

SM

"but it would be equally foolish to claim America is a pristine example to the world."

I'm not sure I understand. Could you elaborate? What does "pristine-ness" have to do with anything? And could you say what scale of value you're using according to which human rights abuses in the U.S. compare with those in Islam? Anything that makes minimal sense?

Last time I checked, there were no crowds at Islamic embassies in the West trying to obtain emigration visas. But the other way around, yes. Every day. It's one sure, "objective" sign that it's much better here.

Enough with this moral equivalence madness.

Hey patriot2: Ease up on the apostrophes, OK? ;o)

The article is tragically short, though it wouldn't surprise me if Iran didn't elaborate any further on what human rights abuses it would accuse the US of. Ironic, considering how much narrower the definition of "human rights" is in Islam, enshrined under the Cairo Declaration, than in the Western tradition.

Let's also not lose sight of the fact that "human rights" encompasses much more than the death penalty. Especially in this case, it deals with the rights of the individual versus (or as a part of) the State, since Islam, making no distinction between church and state, is an apotheosized version of "government knows best."

Thus, in probing human rights violations around the globe, Iran may want to start with this landmark case:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Pot_v._Kettle

Abuses in the U.S. hmmm?

Well, I frankly admit that there is still a ways to be travelled on the road to true equality in this country -- but I do believe we are travelling it. Sure, I could always wish the road was quicker but true change tends to come slowly and from within.

As far as the death penalty, I will confess to being conflicted about it. The thought that an innocent person could be put to death in this country is terrible. But, forensics are getting better all the time and mitigating that risk.

The more important point for the fanatic muslims of the world might be to wonder WHY we have it.
We don't have it to prop up a regime that would fall if our leaders couldn't just put troublesome people to death.

We have it, in my opinion, because we are an armed and vengeful people. Touch my loved ones and if the government isn't willing to come to get you in the ultimate way, I will.

I think an awful lot of us feel that way.

That might be the most important point of our "abuses" for the muslim world to ponder. Our own government, which knows us rather well, recognizes that we won't lie down and be trampled. We will kill and die for our loved ones. Those with certain ideas about how they would like to see this country be should keep that in mind.

Whether it's a vice or a virtue is not for me to decide, but as a people, we just aren't the type to step away from a fight that we feel needs fighting.

-Paolo

The US did not invent "Fascism". Take your European smugness and America bashing and cram it. Is that macho and self-assertive enough for you?

Hey Paolo! Do you speak German? No? You're welcome!

Hey, Eisenhund - or rather, Eingerostethund -

you just proved my point about arrogance. Look at patriot2's response and learn how adults disagree.

Und dass soll Know_your_enemys Frage auch antworten. Mein Deutsch ist etwas rostig und nicht schnell, aber es funktioniert immernoch.

"Und dass soll Know_your_enemys Frage auch antworten. Mein Deutsch ist etwas rostig und nicht schnell, aber es funktioniert immernoch."

BRAVO!

Lord knows I am macho self-assertative American, but that was a nice comeback.

Paolo wrote:

"In other words, I do not regard the death penalty as in any way having to do with justice, but with need. It is something to be used in desperate or extreme situations."

Then what is a just means of dealing with murderers and habitual rapists and pedophiles? When one takes life, and has become an anathema to society, then what is the proposed "just" manner by which a society deals with it? When a person becomes a law unto himself, and decides to impose his will upon the innocent, then what is to be done with this person? Why must a society suffer the criminal element's demands upon it? Why should the rights of the law-abiding be trampled-upon in favor of the criminal?

Paolo also wrote:

"Politically, right now, the worst thing about the death penalty is that it is divisive. Its American supporters, as is all too clear from the entries in this thread, make of it a matter of macho self-assertion. The word "elitist" is always in the air. But in most of the rest of the free world, the death penalty is opposed by democratic majorities and has been revoked by democratic government."

So? Just because most of the rest of the world is doing it, does that make it right? To not be "divisive," does that mean "to be more European?" Well, I'll tell you what--we aren't European here. We Americans do not want to be European. There is a majority of clear-thinking, rational folks here who believe that a death penalty to deal with murderers and human-abominations is justified for the protection of society and the future of our country.

Very cute, Paolo. My Deutschsprache is a little rusty, too. Not so rusty that I can't spot a smug and condescending little piece of eurotrash. I hope for your sake that your Arabic is as good as your German. Looking down your nose at others and disparaging nations of people who would be your allies doesn't make you "adult". It shows you to be a spoiled little punk with an ego matched only by his 'internet muscles'.

Cagnaccio - I learned German because I wanted to read people I admired in their original language, and because I needed it professionally. Neither seems likely to apply to Arabic.

Everybody, look at your responses - look at the bile, the anger, the defensiveness - and tell me whether any disinterested third party would feel that they really represent "clear-thinking, rational folks". I am not trying to convince anyone - I do not believe anyone can, anyway - I am only asking you to look at yourselves. I phrased my original entry as calmly as I could, but it seems that any criticism of the death penalty is enough to unleash the wrath of the likes of Eisenhund and Yohannbiimu. Just like Muslims: don't you dare criticize my views in public, or I'll be very, very mad...

Reasonable criticism is one thing. Diminution such as "Its American supporters, as is all too clear from the entries in this thread, make of it a matter of macho self-assertion." is something else. If you want to speak from a high horse, with a superior tone ("But in most of the rest of the free world, the death penalty is opposed by democratic majorities and has been revoked by democratic government."), expect to hear something back. If you can't take that, then stow your snotty attitude. You are not the final arbiter of what is acceptable so save your uppity judgments. No one has to quietly take what you say just because your youth and inexperience in the real world has not yet demonstrated that you're not always right. What you say isn't the issue, its how you say it. Grow up and learn the difference.

PS-"Just like Muslims: don't you dare criticize my views in public, or I'll be very, very mad..."-That's a b.s. tactic and everyone knows it, boy. False association is a typical attack of the wannabe intellectual.

Paolo said:

"I phrased my original entry as calmly as I could, but it seems that any criticism of the death penalty is enough to unleash the wrath of the likes of Eisenhund and Yohannbiimu.

Oooh...so, I unleashed my "wrath" upon you, eh? I phrased MY entry as calmly as I could also, and I do not know what you are talking about. I was asserting my opinion regarding yours, that a death penalty is not a "just" penalty, except under special circumstances, and that it is especially bad because it is politically "divisive."

I disagreed with your opinion. Is that unleashing "wrath" upon you? If so, then you are terribly thin-skinned.

-yohannbiimu

He seems to have a problem with the fact that we don't all recognize his intellectual superiority and we actually dare take issue with his looking down at us. The very fact that anyone would disagree with him and not take his holier-than-thou attitude is something he can't tolerate. Now he's playing the poor victim. So sorry, Paolo. I'll put away my "wrath" now.

Send the UN inspectors to my house for a demonstration of abuse.

Cagnaccio: your lack of self-knowledge is all too evident anyway; do what you please, you will not be able to escape yourself. I am 43, I have been a soldier, a labourer, a magazine distributor, a lecturer, a translator, a McDonald's crew member, a schoolteacher, a creative writer and artist, and a bum on the streets of London (it was twenty years ago today). I learned long since that the hostility of your likes is a badge of honour. That you find it "superior" to mention that most democratic countries have abolished the death penalty shows all too clearly your snarling, itching, snapping resentment at anyone who might, for any reason, see fit to treat your views as less than all-holy and righteous; and the same goes for your sad couple of comrades on this thread. If you had any real confidence in your views, you would not resent, as you so evidently do, the fact that other people and other countries do not agree with them.

Get the name right, jackass. You're not clever, just smug and condescending. I was surprised to see your age, as your pseudo-intellectual b.s. reminds me of the milquetoasts I remember from university fifteen years ago. If you were a soldier, I can only admire your NCOs' restraint, evidenced by the fact that you're still on this earth and not in a wide orbit with a bootprint on your a.. During a decade as an infantry sergeant I had to deal with punks like you who thought they had all the answers and were better than everyone else. Most of them grew out of it, apparently you haven't. As for the rest of your swill, if you can't recognize your own hypocrisy, blinded as you are by your own ego, that's something you're going to have to live with. Look down your nose at me all you like, you little pissant. You clearly can't stand it when someone questions your sagely self image. If that's a big problem for you, too damned bad. This is my last answer to you. I've already wasted enough time and effort answering your sophomoric insults and self righteous libel. Good night to you çur.