Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait...good thing those countries are our friends and allies. Imagine what they might be doing if they weren't. Why, they might even be sponsoring the spread of the jihad ideology. What's that? They're doing that now? What are you, some kind of Islamophobe?
"Iraqi Cleric Ahmad Al-Kubeisi Promotes Jihad on A New Saudi Channel Broadcasting from Kuwait," from MEMRITV, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
Following are excerpts from am interview with Iraqi cleric Sheik Ahmad Al-Kubeisi. The interview was aired on Al-Risala TV on March 15, 2006. Al-Rislala TV is a Saudi channel broadcasting from Kuwait. Its chairman of the board is Saudi prince Walid bin Talal.Host: How do you view the Jihad in Palestine?
Al-Kubeisi: I cannot talk about the Jihad, when the world considers a plundering occupier to be a man of peace, and the owner of the occupied land to be a terrorist. The world demands today from anyone whose land has been occupied - but only from among the Muslims - that they shut up. If any of them complains, or picks up a gun to kill those who killed his family, and destroyed his land with missiles - he is considered a terrorist. On the other hand, those who plundered, colonized, occupied, killed, executed, and dropped nuclear bombs and depleted uranium (shells) are considered men of peace, who spread democracy.
How can you talk to me about Jihad under these conditions? Sir, Jihad in this case is an individual duty. Someone whose land was lost, whose honor was violated, and whose country was occupied, yet he does not raise his hand violently against the occupier, is not a human being, or even an animal. Even animals wash their hands of him. That's why the pig is reprehensible -because it's the only one who accepts it when someone occupies its land.
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In Islam, Jihad is conducted in order to spread its principles, justice, and views. This is exactly what America is doing today, when it spreads democracy. The means used by America - to which the world submits - in order to spread democracy - all the international organizations, all those peoples and nations, are the same means used by Islam when it spread monotheism, at the time when idols and people were worshipped. It is one and the same. What was said there is being said here. If that was correct, then this is correct. If that was a mistake, then this is a mistake.
Hence, we have reached the following conclusion: The term "violence" or "Jihad" - or you could call it "aggression" or "colonialism" - means that you take control of the resources of others, out of economic or political greed. On the other hand, Islam does this to bring people to worship Allah, and to instate justice among all people.
In other words, to impose Sharia.
More crap from the same chap. He needs a trip to Gitmo.
The following are excerpts from an interview with Iraqi cleric Ahmad Al-Kubeisi, which aired on Dubai TV on May 27, 2005
Kubeisi: What characterizes the Arabs is that they are spontaneous, emotional, hospitable, befriend easily. They forgive their rivals quickly. I mean, two kind words and the rivalry is over.
Some nations and peoples – when they get mad, there is no appeasing them. They become your enemy and do whatever they want to you, with cunning, violence, malice, and treachery. The Arabs have never violated an agreement. Our lives today are a collection of betrayals. Britain promised independence and unity to the Arabs, but betrayed them. The agreements with Israel… Everything that has happened in modern times is betrayal, betrayal, betrayal… lies and weak pretexts. This is what we've come to. When The Arabs ruled the world for 15 centuries, they never did this to anyone.
I don't believe that any Arab harbors hatred in his heart for anyone - Not for America, and not for Israel. We can make peace with them in two days and with two words. But they will never forget you were once their enemy. They will never forget it. They will wait for disaster to befall you, and then are creative in humiliating you, destroying your religion, ideas, faith, regime, and corrupting everything. They corrupted our media, our press, our education, our media, our economy, and our religion. They left no stone unturned.
Our nation loves everybody. We've heard that some armies fight… I mean, there are armies like the Irish army, the Japanese army, and wars in Spain. Some armies have been slaughtering and murdering for fifty or sixty years, and no one calls it Christian terrorism or I-don't-know-what terrorism.
Ronin~When the Arabs ruled the world for 15 centuries
truly mental illness is the biggest export from the arabian area after terrorists. They do have a way with words, they can twist anything.
OT~ I was talking with a guy this weekend and told him about jihadwatch. He looked confused and asked what jihad meant. He had never heard the word before. I had to spell it for him. Seriously. Four and a half years later. We're doomed.
I guess we need a football team named the Jihadis. Put it on the collector's card. Then the guy will know how to spell it. I had two of Robert's books to hand out but I figured it would just get used for a coaster.
Nothing to worry about for us. the cleric's native land is the newest democracy in the Middle East, and the Saudis and Kuwaitis are of course our staunchest allies in the war against "terror." All owe us; the Kuwaitis and Iraqis for freeing them and the Saudis for protecting them from Saddam.
They are all understandably concerned about us imposing some new-fangled sort of colonialism on them. Which is the other side of what they call "jihad." what's good for the goose--well we all know how that old saw goes.
This is off-topic, but there was a demonstration today. A procession of Muslims passed by my house, and they were playing really loud music and then using the speakers to speak to the crowd in Arabic. The marchers were carrying various signs in English as well as Arabic. The signs mostly made refernce to an Imam Hussein - "Imam Hussein, we will never forget you" And "Imam Hussein, Islam will not be humiliated". "Death to those who humiliate Islam". "Imam Hussein - no man should fear death but he who is not righteous".
There were three police cars escorting the marchers, and several officers on the ground carrying radios. When I first heard the noise, I went outside and stood on my porch, but got a lot of angry looks. My children were frightened by all of this.
I've googled Imam Hussein, and discovered that he was Mohammed's grandson. Does anyone know what kind of march this might have been? What a shock, to see a large crowd of men wearing those little white hats and their women (following at the end of the line, of course) wearing the long black robes and those face coverings which have a flap on one side if the woman should need to look at soemthing.
This really was an alarming sight, and made worse because I had no idea of the signifigance of the Imam Hussein. Anyone know about this?
libbysmom,
It appears to have been a Shi'ite religious procession. The Shia have been transfixed with their imam hussein for centuries and centuries. This is about the time on their calendar that their festival, commemmorating the end of the annual mourning period for their imam hussein, happens. Attacks against shia on similiar pilgrimages within iraq have been in the news over the past week. The peak of the festivities is known as "Ashura" (transliterated, of course). hussein was a grandson of mo of islam, but was killed by rivals around 680 AD/CE. That is the origin of the sunni/shi'ite divide. The Shia were the followers of hussein.
Imam Hussein = another whacked interpretation of the koran.
During and after WW2 there used to be a lot of movies from both the UK and the USA showing the brainwashed fanatacism of Nazis. This even included the children. After the war and when the dust had settled it was found that this brainwashing had gone quiet deep. Not in everyone, mind you, but in a sufficient majority of the population of greater germany to cause quite some concern. This explains the fanatacism of the fighting in the last days where against the soviets and occasionally against the allies, many did indeed fight to the death.
However, when the war was over and Hitlet's repudiation of the German people became known and the true state of affairs was made public(concentration camps + the mass murders) the degree of fanatacism dimished very quickly. certainly there were hard core nazis who never swayed and died in their beds still nazis, while the Nurnburg trials made sure that others did not forget, but despite movies like the "Odessa File" the postwar problems with nazis were few.
In the case of Islam we have not 12 years of indoctrination, but over 12 centuries of it. Not only are the children force fed indoctrination from birth, but so were their teachers and their parents. No one born a muslim can ever know the truth until they throw off the islamic yoke. No one born a muslim can even see the truth if it hits him in the face and especially so when it disagrees with standard islamic cant. There has also been no recanting and no repudiation of any of the Koran's more disgusting sura, In fact, if anything, they have revered it even more.
The point of this is that none of these islamic politicians see themselves as lying to us or even each other. They probably do believe this specious effluent that pours out of their mouths as it is what they have been taught and taught to do and say for millenia.They have been taught the distorted islamic view of world, history, economics and philosophy and they believe it. When they find a contradiction in their beliefs it is obviously a nonmuslim plot to fool them. Never is it seen as the truth. Not only can they not see it, but they do not wish to do so anyway.
Naseem is quite a good example of this.
You get the occasional Muslim pragmatist who does seem to have a grasp on the truth enough to be caught blatantly lying(eg, some of the "news" videos on israeli "war crimes") but in reality he does not see himself as lying even if it were staged, as he believes he is simply recreating the truth from elsewhere and anyway, who cares what you say to kafir.
When you have a billion people brainwashed like this into believing unbelievable(to us) distortions of history and even present truths, then you have a really major hurdle to overcome as any resiatnce or retaliation to one group will be fanned onto the whole lot.
So once the west start to take action against Muslims it will not cascade, it will avalanche and the west will have to be ready for this. If it happens before Iran has nuclear weapons then there might be a chance but wait until they have then welcome nuclear winter.
When it does occur the concept of the moderate muslim will be as irrelevant in fact then as it is now as they will all cluster around the crescent flag.
"In Islam, Jihad is conducted in order to spread its principles, justice, and views. This is exactly what America is doing today, when it spreads democracy. The means used by America - to which the world submits - in order to spread democracy - all the international organizations, all those peoples and nations, are the same means used by Islam when it spread monotheism, at the time when idols and people were worshipped. It is one and the same. What was said there is being said here. If that was correct, then this is correct. If that was a mistake, then this is a mistake."
This Iraqi cleric is half correct: yes, America (and Europe) did spread democracy and social and scientific progress through conquest and wars and now international laws backed up by force (as well as pop culture tied to economics); and yes, this is in structure the same process Islam uses to spread Islam. But the half about which the cleric is incorrect is that the two substances being spread are the same. They are not the same: the former is mostly good (with a few flaws), the latter is mostly bad (with a few accidental goods). It's interesting that the cleric, rather than simply asserting that Islam is superior, is using an argument of equivalency to wedge the blade of his logic in -- an argument that is not foreign to the West, I might add. I find it hard to believe that the cleric really believes that equivalency.
This Iraqi cleric is half correct
Oh yeah?
If any of them complains, or picks up a gun to kill those who killed his family, and destroyed his land with missiles - he is considered a terrorist.
When did you last hear of an individual being dubbed a terrorist because he has used a gun to kill someone who'd killed a family member? When did you last hear of someone being called a terrorist, because he had, as this low-life puts it, "complained" about something.
Terrorists, as their name implies, are people who use terror as a political weapon. They kill and maim civilian populations indiscriminately - detonate explosives in pizza parlours and the like. And, usually people, who do such things are not called "terrorists" but by euphemisms such as "militants" by mealy-mouthed organs of dishonesty like the BBC, anyway.
This fanatic's self-pity is sickening. His mind is no different to that of a murder or rapist who can only freel sorry for himself because the police have caught him. If this is an example of the kind of man an Islamic cleric's "education" produces, then it tells us all we need to know about Islam.
If this is an example of the kind of man an Islamic cleric's "education" produces, then it tells us all we need to know about Islam.
Posted by: Yojimbo at March 20, 2006 03:47 AM
No, that cleric is wrong. Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, never waged a war of conquest; all his wars were defensive.
You might learn some aspects of Islam by visiting http://spaces.msn.com/deentech/ In particular, jihad is to fight oppression. Israel is an oppressor in Palestine; America is an oppressor in Iraq. It is well known that the 9/11 was an internal US act blamed on Muslims to initiate the so called war on terrorism, which in reality is a war of plunder for the Middle East oil.
yawn
Eat your oil Mohideen, we don't want it.
Was the slaughter of the Jews of Medina also 'self defence' by your alleged prophet ?
Mohideen...instead of telling us about the results of your indoctrination, try reading up on what and how your "prophet" came to power, but not in arabic(if you can read Arabic) as all histories written in Arabic are filtered by islam and as such are almost always wrong.
Jihad is WAR against the kafir not war against oppression that is just an Islamic lie which you are stupid enough to believe. You have no real idea about the history of the world and no real idea of your koran. Go read it from front to back then come back here and tell us about it.
Your views are the result of 1400 years of indoctrination, violence and lies, how can you possibly assume that you know about that upon which you are commenting?
The west has mmany faults but 1400 years of lies and corruption of history is not one of them. We know our faults and we know our good points. You cannot even see the faults of islam you are so blind.
The average Muslim has absolutely NO idea about even his own religion let alone anyone else's. He is a koranic robot who is under the control of a 1400 year dead warlord and who spouts the same rubbish no matter from where he comes.
Go educate yourself then return and we might have a real conversation.
Peace be with you!! ( not Islamic peace but REAL peace)
"all his wars were defensive."
--from a posting above
O god, here we go again. Yes, "defensive" -- because everyone and his brother was attacking the non-violent poor followers of Muhammad. We all remember how the Jewish farmers of the Khayar oasis came swooping down on their camels, raping and looting (and then dividing the loot) of those defenseless Muslims as they were simply tilling their own flocks. Yes, they liked to till their own flocks, quietly, but all kinds of tribes kept insisting on attacking them, and interfering with the Peaceable Kingdom that Muhammad had founded, and which wanted only to be left alone. And then there all those others who kept attacking Muhammad's followers, not only in Arabia (or so the old books say), but in Mespotamia, Syria, Judea, Egypt, Tripolitania, and the rest of Roman, or then Christian, North Africa. Everywhere those peaceful Muslim hordes went, waving their swords in peace, they were attacked and attacked. It was terrible. They had to act in their own defense. And they had to act in their own defense when they somehow ended up among the Zoroastrians of Sassanian Persia, and then later, several times, when they were acting in their own self-defense in Hindustan.
Yes, the history of Islam has been the history of a much-maligned people moving here, there and everywhere, and for some reason always being forced to get violent and act in their own defense.
What else could they be expected to do?
A mad Muslim world, my masters!
When it does occur the concept of the moderate muslim will be as irrelevant in fact then as it is now as they will all cluster around the crescent flag.
Posted by: Zathras
Great comment,
The mooslem brainwashing begins at birth by those who were brainwashed at birth.
They will never know the truth unless they venture from where they are born, the media and schools are oppressed from an opposing view,they are allowed no real choice in anything they do,if they had opposing views then things would change very quickly I believe.
Good golly, Muhiy al-Din, you sound so Marxist-Leninist, all that talk about "a war of plunder for ... oil" Where did you guys pick up that Stalinist lingo, which is so very Western, after all?? Stalin's Appeal to the Muslims of Russia and the East [1917] sounded much like you. How do you feel, as a literary critic, about Stalin's use of pejorative and violent motifs? What about the rhythm of his prose? Do you find his metaphors esthetically satisfying? [see link]
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/10/bolsheviks-for-jihad-genocide-stalins.html
How does Stalin's prose compare to Arafat's famous Elegy to a Bombmaker [1996]: El-Mohundess, El-Mohundess, El-Mohundess, Yihhiya Ayyash!!
Now, if all of Muhammad and the Khalifs' wars were defensive, why did they usurp the Holy Land from the Jews, when the Quran clearly says [sura 5:12, 20-22] that the Holy Land was assigned to the Jews/Israel by Allah? It seems that neither you nor the Good Shaykh Kubaisi knows that not only was the Holy Land assigned to the Jews, but that the Quran foresees the Jews' return to their Blessed Land.
Of course, our old friend, Prince al-Walid has put his billions behind Kubaisi's preaching, which seems like the usual whining and self-justification that Wilfred Cantwell Smith noted as a feature of modern Islamic intellectual life [and Smith was very pro-Muslim] in his book, Islam in Modern History. Smith called it apologetics. I diagnose Dear Muhiy al-Din as having a severe case of apologetics too.
Maybe al-Walid could contribute a few billion $$ to the hospitals and medical services in Israel [such as Magen David Adom] for all the expenses caused by those who heard Kubaisi's jihad preaching, or maybe he could practice donation in secret, which Maimonides considered the highest form of charity. In that way, he could take the 10 million that Mayor Giuliani refused and anonymously donate it to various hospitals in New York City.
Ronin~When the Arabs ruled the world for 15 centuries
truly mental illness is the biggest export from the arabian area after terrorists.
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Posted by: Borg at March 19, 2006 11:30 PM
Funnily, enough Borg, the Arabs have a saying that stupidity is an illness for which there is no cure.
That's more 'history from an islamic perspective'.
Did you know they ruled the world for 15 centuries? I must have been asleep in the class that taught that.
why did they usurp the Holy Land from the Jews, when the Quran clearly says [sura 5:12, 20-22] that the Holy Land was assigned to the Jews/Israel by Allah?
Posted by: Eliyahu at March 20, 2006 06:11 AM
What a blatant lie! Let us quote 5:12, 20-22 from
http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=5&translator=2&mac=
and see:
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5:12 ALLAH did aforetime take a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We appointed twelve captains among them. And Allah said: “I am with you: if ye (but) establish regular prayers, practice regular charity, believe in my apostles, honor and assist them, and loan to Allah a beautiful loan, verily I will wipe out from you your evils, and admit you to gardens with rivers flowing beneath; but if any of you, after this, resisteth faith, he hath truly wandered from the path of rectitude.”
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5:20 Remember Moses said to his people: “O my people! Call in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples.
5:21 “O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then ye will be overthrown, to your own ruin.”
5:22 They said: “O Moses! In this land are a people of exceeding strength: Never shall we enter it until they leave it: if (once) they leave, then shall we enter.”
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God Almighty indeed gave the Holy Land, but the people refused to accept it. Once you have refused a gift, how can you now claim a right to it?
Even the modern history of Israel attests to the above behavior. The state of Israel was created by the victorious British who won the WWII while the Jews did not fight at all. It was injustice on the part of the British to have taken the land of Palestinian people and to have given the same to the Jews. The Palestinians are fighting even now to eliminate that injustice.
Mohideen spare us the rubbish about palestine and go read an honest history of the area if you can find one that tells you the truth.
Muslims who visit this site never answer any questions but simply bombard us with koranic rubbish from the megalomaniacal warlord you call a prophet, may he rot in hell.
The palestinians have nothing but whinge and complain for 40 years while the israelis have built a 21st century nation under duress. If the palestinians could get off their backsides for a decade and actually WORK for a living instead of crying all of the time they might have less problems but that is not the Muslim way is it?
What is it with you Muslims? Always complaining, always crying and violent at the drop of a hat. If you didn't have the Koran to blame for your behaviour the lot of you would be in psychiatric hospitals.
Please do not contaminate this side with your favourite sura as most of us have read the Koran and know its evil.
As for your site reference: the truth and the Koran are contradictory. Go read about Luxembergs analysis of the yemeni mosque scripts and you will find out just how tenuous is the truth of your precious Koran.
Please do not contaminate this side with your favourite sura as most of us have read the Koran
Posted by: Zathras at March 20, 2006 09:32 AM
I quote the Holy Quran only when the author gives wrong information attributed to the Holy Quran. Is correcting a misconception contamination?
Mohideen:
As usual, your spin on the establishment of the State of Israel is seriously short on facts.
The British didn't take Palestine from the Palestinians and give it to the Jews who "didn't fight". They took it from the Turks, who had pretty well squeezed the land dry of inhabitants through typical Muslim colonial abuse. Eastern European Jews started buying up arid vacant land, paying exhorbitant rates for the privilege and redeveloped it into an arable state. This development brought Muslims from all over the Levant to take advantage of the economic boom that resulted.
Naturally, the reactionary forces of Islam couldn't bear to see the Jews doing what they were too lazy and corrupt to do, and were very fearful that exposure to Jewish values would cost the Muslim landed gentry and clerics to lose control over the Muslim underclasses that they were so used to manipulating and abusing.
Most of the Arabs who fled in 1948, did so, not because they were imperiled by the Jewish presence, but rather to flee the threatened acts of war from surrounding Arab nations. And Israel offered to resettle these people in their homes immediately after.
Injustices were certainly done, but primarily by the Arabs, not the Israelis.
And while you're around Mohideen -- do you care to offer us some spin on how there is no compulsion in religion, but in Sharia-compliant Afghanistan, a Muslim convert to Christianity now faces the death sentence or is does the exemption (from compulsion) apply only to non-Muslims.
This tells it all about Mujahadeen..another Professor preaching how tolerant Islam is...
Another sick brainwashed mooselimb.
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do you care to offer us some spin on how there is no compulsion in religion, but in Sharia-compliant Afghanistan, a Muslim convert to Christianity now faces the death sentence
Posted by: waterdragon52 at March 20, 2006 04:11 PM
First and foremost, I do not offer any spin.
Islam trains its adherents for a total way of life, including the means to wage Jihad. (See topic 8. Jihad in my blog http://spaces.msn.com/deentech/ to understand the true meaning of Jihad.)
Thus, every able bodied Muslim is expected to be a warrior.
Pray tell me which army does not punish the traitor who becomes a potential opponent?
Our newest Koranic propagandist said:"I quote the Holy Quran only when the author gives wrong information attributed to the Holy Quran. Is correcting a misconception contamination?"
It is when you pull out sura that are completely at odds with general islamic behaviour> How do you explain that?
You do not read what is written to you. You do not answer questions criticising your points. You totally ignore established islamic practices which totally contradict everything for which you are supposed to stand. You simply pour out the routine koranic hogwash and expect us here to believe it. We are not your usual naive westerners ignorant of the excesses of your "prophet" and his manuscript for mayhem.
Most of us here actually know a little about the ironically named "religion of peace". When we talk with such as you, we never really have a conversation. It is in fact an facsimile of those automatic phone answering machines: if we say "a" then you press button "1" and give the routine islamic answer "a-" etc. There only rarely is a considered statement not full of islamic cant where we can see evidence of human intelligence in action rather than the usual effluent produced by mass indoctrination.
The track record of violence and deceit from your warlord is enough by itself to ridicule any claims he makes to be any god's prophet. When you read the koran and understand koranic abrogation, it simply verifies what many nonmuslims know and that is that Islam is a creed where the violence is not only justified by the aims of Dar-al-Islam but allowed to be extreme violence with its barbarous overtones.
from above:"Islam trains its adherents for a total way of life, including the means to wage Jihad. (See topic 8. Jihad in my blog http://spaces.msn.com/deentech/ to understand the true meaning of Jihad.)
Thus, every able bodied Muslim is expected to be a warrior.
Pray tell me which army does not punish the traitor who becomes a potential opponent?"
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Well Folks. There we have it. Straight from the camel's mouth. We are at war with islam.
Nice of him to let us know what we have long suspected.
So, every Muslim is a member of an army with the sole aim of extending Ummah and destroying totally Dar al-Harb? Would you like to inform the US senate of this momentous admission?
Israel in the Quran
2:47 Children of Israel! call to mind the favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other nations.
2:122 O Children of Israel! call to mind the favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other nations.
7:137 And We made the children of Israel, who were considered weak (and of no account), inheritors of lands in both east and west, - lands whereon We sent down Our blessings. The fair promise of thy Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel, because they had patience and constancy, and We leveled to the ground the great works and fine buildings which Pharaoh and his people erected (with such pride).
17:104 And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land of promise":
10:93 We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them.
20:80 O ye Children of Israel! We delivered you from your enemy, and We made a Covenant with you to give you the right side (the blessed side) of Mount Sinai, and We sent down to you Manna (special food) and quails.
26:59 Thus it was, but We made the Children of Israel inheritors of such things (the promised land)
45:16 We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the Power of Command, and Prophet hood; We gave them, for Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favored them above all other nations.
44: 32 And We have chosen them (the Children of Israel) above the 'Alamn (mankind, and jinns) and our choice was based on a deep knowledge.
32.23] And certainly We gave the Book to Moses, so be not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made it a guide for the children of Israel.
[32.24] And We made of them Guiding Lights and leaders to guide by Our command as they were patient, and they were certain of Our communications.
[17:104] And we said to the Children of Israel afterwards, scatter and live all over the worldand when the end of the world is near we will gather you again into the Promised Land.
(Comment : This last verse proves that the Quran is declaring that it is the will of G-d himself to gather the children of Israel again in their promised land before the end days. Accordingly, No Muslim has the right to interfere with gathering the Jews in Israel again as this is the will of G-d himself. In addition, Honest analysis of the Quranic verses above leads to the conclusion that the West Bank and Gaza are better called the occupied Israeli land.
From Arabs for Israel
"...Islam trains its adherents for a total way of life, including the means to wage Jihad..."
Allow me to rewrite that: Islam brainwashes its adherents into a totalitarian mess, which results in waging violent jihad against infidels & Jews...
Did you get your gun yet, Mohideen? When are you going to blow?
Did you get your gun yet, Mohideen?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 21, 2006 01:03 AM
I do not have any gun. I look forward to your change of heart.
Don't waste your time folks he has NO intention of defending the indefensible.
He is simply going to post here to show that he is a determined and reasonable man and not some mad dog.
However he still will not directly answer any questions about islam. So that undermines his whole stance.
See him as the typical western university academic muslim so superficially westernised that we miss totally his ulterior motive in his apparent benevolent interest in us.
He is unfortunately an evangelist from hell
We are at war with islam.
Nice of him to let us know what we have long suspected.
Posted by: Zathras at March 20, 2006 06:01 PM
Yes, it is our duty to fight every oppressor, Inshah Allah. Are you an oppressor? If so, yes we – the Muslims – are indeed at war with you.
Oppressor: the Islamic view of one =
1) Anyone who dares to disagree with the barbarism Incarnate within Islam;
2) Anyone who dares to discuss openly the iniquities or calumnies of Islam;
3) Anyone who finds Muhammad as a prophet to be contradictory;
4) Anyone who upon discovering the fallacy of Islam decides to apostasise;
5) Anyone who dares discuss openly the hypocrisy of almost ALL Muslims’
6) Anyone who dare to NOT pay jizaya’
7) etc etc etc………………………………..
oo) Anyone NOT a Muslim who oppresses by his existence let alone his presence. .
Face it Mohideen!!
It is a Dark Age religion, run by fanatics, sterile in its creativity
(1001 inventions!!!! What a joke!!) and the bane of civilised human beings on this planet with racism inculcated within it and barbarism as an integral pert of it. Muslims are nothing but Koranic robots controlled by the wishes of a 1400 year dead warlord and whose primitive violence can be turned on like a switch but preferably against individuals as equal numbers appal. Not satisfied with turning your middle East into a sewer you wish to metasise all over the world destroying what you can never understand..
The pity of it all is that you are so indoctrinated that you can never see the light hidden within the fallacies of your faith. The whole concept of Submission is to turn you into mindless, Koran quoting robot for whom pure and unadulterated thought is forbidden. I am hardly perfect but I pity all Muslims for their shackled minds.
I am hardly perfect
Posted by: Zathras at March 21, 2006 05:05 AM
True. No human can be perfect; Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, approached perfection. God Almighty alone is perfect.
Your definition of oppression is wrong. We quote the definition given by God Almighty below:
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4:75 And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who being weak are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men women and children whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Thee one who will protect; and raise for us from Thee one who will help!”
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Rest assured that those Muslims who are claimed to have demanded Jizya beyond the means of the non-Muslims under their care were indeed oppressors; if as Dr. Robert Spencer claims that the Crusades were a response to the oppression, then the Crusaders were sent by God Almighty to relieve the oppression.
Today, who are the oppressors? Are the Muslims the oppressors or the oppressed as in Palestine? We talk of democracy; still we threaten a democratically elected group that we shall starve them of funds unless they obey our dictates. Today, it is the fenced-in Palestinian population that is crying for help.
Mohideen, if your idea of perfection is someone who allows the butchery of defenceless captives, who used the loot and slaves from razzias to drive his conquests and who married a 6 yo and slept with a 9 yo, then perfection is even more disateful than I believed. Jesus of Nazareth was only a man in my view but his pacifism makes your "prophet" look like the devil incarnate with his thirstfor blood and conquest and females.
As for the people that you call "palestinians". Please spare us all the standard islamic garbage about how unjustly they have been treated by Israel. By their surrounding arab countries of origin yes, but Israel NO!!!.For a group who ahve been demanding the extinction of Israel for more than 50 years israel has treated then suprisingly kindly.
If they spent one year and 10% of the energy they do whinging, crying, complaining, threatening or creating violence on actually WORKING to make themselves a viable state (like the Israelis have done) they might get some consideration here but although they are so badly treated (as people like you say) they still have managed to breed like flies and vastly increase their population. Hardly the hallmark of an oppressed people. As for their funding: WHY should anyone else other than their imams who told them to leave in 1948 have to subsidise a group who only wanted the destruction of israel. I would not give the palestinians one cent unless they earned it. Face it!! they are parasites!! and so typical of Muslims and islam.
As for your ignoring of my definition of "oppressors", I was telling the truth about how muslim majorities treat nonmuslim minorities, something that you have never witnessed when the numbers were reversed in the west.
So Dear Muhiy al-Din quotes a translation of the Quran which indicates that there were conditions on the Covenant. Well, the Bible too says that there were conditions. Then Muhiy al-Din quotes sura 5:20-22, in which the Israelites refuse to fight for the Land out of fear of the Giants. Muhiy seems to think that they did not accept the assignment of the Land.
Muhiy writes: "God Almighty indeed gave the Holy Land, but the people refused to accept it. Once you have refused a gift, how can you now claim a right to it?"
However, the Quran itself, a few verses further down, supplies the answer [which agrees with the Bible] "He [Allah] replied: 'They shall be forbidden this land for forty years, during which time they shall wander homeless on the earth.' [Dawood trans.]"
So it was only for forty years that Israel was to be denied the Land [according to the Quran]. At the end of that time, according to the Biblical account, they fought and conquered. The Bible says that Moses eventually overcame the objections of the fainthearted to taking the Promised Land.
Moreover, the Quran also indicates that the Jews were indeed living in the Land. Animus supplies some quotes to that effect. Thanx to Animus for supplying further Quranic quotations that refute Muhiy. Here are various relevant quotes that I compiled from various translations for comparison's sake.
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/05/quran-agrees-with-zionism.html
Now, Dear Muhiy gets more modern history wrong too. Jews fought in both WW One and WW2. They fought in WW I in the Jewish Legion as part of the British army on behalf of Zionism and in hope of British fulfillment of promises to the Jews. In WW2, Jews from Israel, then called the "palestine mandate," fought as part of the British army in the Jewish Brigades. Jews also fought in both wars in many other armies. At least two of my mother's cousins were slaughtered in the Battle of Stalingrad, fighting in the Red Army. This bloody battle was one result of Stalin's collaboration with Hitler. My father too fought in that war. So I would appreciate it if you kindly took back your claim that: "the Jews did not fight at all." You may know computers, but history is not your strong side.
Mohideen:
If you think the death penalty is an appropriate Muslim response to conversion to Christianity, what do you call the erection of a security perimeter to separate your population from probable murderers.
For morons like you, the only answer is the one Wafa Sultan had for the bearded old goat she debated on Al-Jazeerah. "Believe in stones if you like, brother, but don't throw them at me." You may have the skills to log onto a computer and key in messages, but you possess a stone age mentality. And that is why, in the end, Islam will not prevail.
"...He believes reducing hate is good..." From a posting above.
NO. Mohideen doesn't want us to hate Islam.
Its okay for Mohammedans to hate unbelievers, in the way of Allah. Isn't it Mohideen?
"...Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, approached perfection. God Almighty alone is perfect..."
What a tasty morsel that is! You sure you are not a Buddhist or a Christian, Mohideen? How can you call a marauding, raping, torturing, thieving and lying bandit "approaching perfection?" You mean a "perfect" monster? Ridiculous!
"Today, who are the oppressors...?"
You tell me, Mohideen: Who are the oppressors? In the south of Thailand, in Mindanao, in the Moluccas, in Sulawesi, in Bali, in Chechnya, in Kosovo and Bosnia, in Darfur, in Nigeria, the intifadah in France, the rape-epidemics in Scandinavia, in Australia, the bloody terror wherever Islam managed to establish its parasitic and destructive reign.
The Pali-Arabs have no claim on Israel, they should be cut off from any funding and disbursed in every Arabian desert, in every direction and if your Arab 'brothers' don't support them 'Allah' shall take care of them because we shall not.
We have your number, Mohideen. We want the Mohammedans interned and deported. That's where we are headin' now, eventually we will succeed!
We want the Mohammedans interned and deported.
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 21, 2006 09:26 PM
Please see http://www.exodus2006.com/2006.htm from where we find:
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In a lecture given yesterday (Tuesday 9/13/05) the elder Kabbalist Rabbi Yitzchak Kaduri, called on world Jewry to come to Israel because of natural disasters that will take place in the near future. In the announcement Rav Kaduri says:
"I hereby find that it is necessary to pass this call to the ears of world Jewry, that they should come to the Land of Israel for the reason of the great dangers awaiting the world from the side of nature.
"In the future the Holy One, blessed be He, will bring great disasters in the countries of the world in order to sweeten the judgements of the Land of Israel.
"I instruct that this warning announcement be distributed in order that the Jews in the countries around the world be will know the real danger and will come to the Land of Israel, to the building of the Bais Hamikdash and to the revelation of Moshiach."
The Rav also revealed that the initials (rashei teivot) of the coming Hebrew year 5766 are "it will be a year of secret and revelation" ("tehiyeh shnat sod v'gilui").
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http://www.exodus2006.com/fab/23may.htm says:
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The 23rd of May 2006 He judged!
Will cause you to come from the uttermost parts of the north; and I will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel; and I will smite
It shall be an evil time in that day
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To show that the codes are coming true, we have:
http://www.exodus2006.com/fab/18Feb2006.htm
http://www.exodus2006.com/L0rd%20kyr0N/5march2006.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/05/wiran05.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/03/05/ixportal.html
http://www.exodus2006.com/sutton/All-of-the-dates-found.htm
(See March 20, 2006 appears in this table. A day supposed to be the start of spring, but had heavy snow in some parts of USA.)
See http://www.cheniere.org/articles/Yakuza%20threat%20including%20tsunamis%20-%20final%20w%20edits%201%20website%20a.doc
Which has:
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As an example, a few weeks ago the Yakuza registered one or more of its large scalar interferometers upon the world’s largest supervolcano whose caldera lies underneath the Yellowstone National Park. The symbolic timing so close to the anniversary of the 9/11 attack should not be overlooked. That Yellowstone supervolcano erupts about every 600,000 years, and it has been some 640,000 years since its last eruption. Hence speaking in geological terms it is overdue for eruption now, and it already has much of the required overpressure and stress energy established in it. Presently a Yakuza finger is on the trigger of that registered scalar interferometer. If that finger pushes the trigger, the interferometer will slowly add tremendous EM energy and stress into that great stress zone, which will result in a very violent eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano.
By deliberately kindling the supervolcano into such a violent eruption, most of North America would be devastated, and particularly most of the United States. The supervolcano could eject more ash, lava, rock, and debris than the entire Grand Canyon can hold. Additional side effects would include the instant destruction of most of the agricultural food crops in North America by covering the farmland with meters-thick ash. Any few survivors would be faced with the immediate problem of starvation and quickly-fatal lung disease. Food animals would also be killed in the same catastrophe. The reader should simply check what happened the last time that supervolcano erupted, about 640,000 years ago. It did devastate a great part of North America, including most of the higher life forms.
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Col. Tom Bearden suspects the Japanese mafia Yakuza to pull the trigger. We suspect the trigger would indeed be pulled by the Zionists in Israel to persuade the Jews of USA to migrate to Israel.
What a pity, the poor Muslims would be stuck in USA!