More peace and tolerance from the Thug-In-Chief, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran. From Itar-Tass, with thanks to Joe:
Following a meeting with Sultan Jamalullail I, the supreme head of the federation of nine states where Islam was proclaimed the state religion, he pontificated: “The world will be in the hands of Islam over the next few years.”According to the president, history “convincingly shows the force of the Islamic religion, aimed not at quashing other peoples, but at serving peace and quietude”.
As long as those other peoples know their place as good subservient dhimmis.
Sure just like when Baghdad Bob was saying the Infadel Americans were nowhere near the gates of Baghdad. President Ahmad needs a sock stuffed somewhere...or one of those Super Shorties in his ear.
Iran threatened to start full-scale uranium enrichment if members of the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency press for U.N. Security Council action over Tehran's nuclear program at a meeting that opened Monday.
A top U.S. diplomat, meanwhile, said there was an urgent need to confront Iran's "clear and unrelenting drive" for nuclear weapons.
http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/03/06/ap2571982.html
peace and quietude
Hmm. There is "peace and quietude" at Absolute Zero (-273º Celsius), because all movement has ceased.
Peace is just a word. He hasn't the same concept of it as us - and he knows it.
hug-In-Chief, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, that is good discription for this monster. he needs to go, and it has to be another Iranian to take out this monster if there a smart brave one around. or will this evil man survive the attempts like Hitler, and in the end get killed? How can any one of ths sane Western democracies ever give iran any latitude, and the Russians need to drop them like now! the whole world needs to pressure iran and isolate them. l think this Mahmoud wants to bring on the bombs. Lets give him what he desires! remember the saying be careful what you wish for, you just might get it!
hug-In-Chief, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, that is good discription for this monster
Well, he wouldn't be my cup of "t-", but whatever turns you on.
If the West doesn't wake up, and soon, what he says is right: The World will be dominated by Islam! The West is being so, so weak at the moment, it can cause one sleepless nights!
This Iran dude must have a master plan. Let's review the ballistic side of this since 1999 by reading the WMD webpage. Please give me your thoughts and notes on the progression of the Shahab missiles and the No-Dong Korean ballistic missiles (No-Dong !....very appropriate! )
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/shahab-3.htm
Iran's thug in chief is such a riot. He reminds me of a person who believes that the more times they say something the better chances it has of coming true. Most of his foaming at the mouth I'm sure stems from his benny hinn moment where he claims he was lit up by a devine light. Keep on wishing boy... I'm sure someone will *really* light you up not to long from now.
I was proud of myself a few years ago, pre-Jihad Watch reading, when I figured out the "peace" of Islam is global domination. I was shocked to discover they actually admit it, and we still allow unconditioned travel, study, and immigration by Muslims.
"Ahmadinejad is correct, Islam will rule the world. Get used to Eurabia and the White House turned into a mosque." - Naseem
There, Naseem, I said it for you. Now you don't have to waste any time boring the infidel with your useless drivel. Please spend the rest of the day banging your head on the floor, we wouldn't want you to hurt yourself by actually engaging in any original thought process.
Assalma Laikum all,
Although I don't like that lund Ahmadinejad much.....he is correct in that Islam will rule the world. Get used to Eurabia and the White House being the residence of the caliphate ...circa 2050.
Peace
Fortunately, I wasn't around then, but I wonder
if people back then thought, in the beginning that Hitler was all "talk".......
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
The Nazi Germany links are indeed clear to see (let us not forget that some of those who died defending Hitler's bunker were Muslim and there was a Muslim unit in the german army and the recent ramarks about Jews show a more explicit link'
We have to take steps to destroy this new Hitler and his new National Socialist regime in it's modern Islamic form.
If we wait he WILL get the nuke he is now trying for.
Then it will be too late for all of us.
We should leave Iraq to the stupid backwards Islamic in-fighting groups we never should have got involved with anyway and move all resources to wiping out this animal and his whole regime. And then take steps to put into power a more moderate regime and give it a firm base.
Nasim "get used to Eurabia and the white house being residence of the caliphate...circa 2050"
And the children of us "good ol'Americans "
will be riding around in their chevy silverados and f-150's with machine guns mounted taking aim at
mosques and burning crosses on your muslim lawns.
Good luck cause' ya gonna need it!
there was a Muslim unit in the german army
No, not the Wehrmacht. It was an SS unit.
As for the present, many Radical Muslims do explicitly express admiration for Hitler, but I don't think that means there is any particular ideological affinity - just that he is admired for being an efficient mass-murderer.
Of course, they are not alone in admiring Hitler either. I once heard a Hindu nationalist say on television that he admired Hitler.
There are some interesting parallels between several radical European political movements - not just the Nazis - and Radical Islam. There seems to be even a certain amount of borrowing of ideas. But, pace Bernard Lewis, Islam doesn't need lessons. It has been doing these things for centuries:
http://www.aina.org/books/mokk/mokk.htm#c72
Well the fun loving peaceful islamic religion get another black eye, this guy reminds me of pinky and the brain aka Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Jawknee
kindly keep the Christian dogma out of this fight for freedom, it has no relevance whatsoever.
Assalma Laikum jawknee
You say "Suicide bombers and Imams will not get you to heaven".
I completely agree...these people are being tricked into losing their life for little gain. I believe there are no 72 virgins (either way) to be had for the vile murder of innocents.
You say "Evil will never prevail. when the Lord Jesus returns Islam will be wiped off the face of the earth".
Well so you believe that Jesus will come back...a very similar belief to the coming of the Mahdi believed by the muslims.
You say "Its never too late to change your ways".
My way is peace....peaceful dawa...the Ahmadi way. We still believe that Islam is the way forward. We don't believe in the 5ers, 7ers or 12ers of the Shia or the Sunni Caliphate.
But in the Koran, Allah has shown Muhammed a map of the flat earth with muslims and Islam spreading and governing globally.
I mean I see it with my own two eyes every day...positive proof that this is happening....inch by inch ...street by street....loudspeaker by loudspeaker...so how can I not believe...more to the point...why don't YOU believe...the proof is there.
Allah has created his chosen childrens ...muslims to rule the world...what is there not to believe.
You may choose to refer to us as mooslims, towelheads, barbarians, muzzies....and that you are the cultured ones....but this is all irrelevent.....and that is what keeps me going.
I want to see if Allah's prophecy comes true...and I'll be there reminding you of it and gracefully asking you to convert.
Islam is the "pill of peace" to take away the pain of the crusader sickness. Allah is inventor of this most amazing cure...
so take it... be there & don't be a squire.
Nass;
Islam will rule the world when pigs grow wings and fly circles around the kaaba in Mecca, Suadi Arabia. Leaving their dropping on the worshippers beneath them.
I feel like kicking this guy in the balls.
Posted by: jawknee
I couldn't have said it better myself.
oh poor naseem,what an air headed rag head you are,thier will be blood on the streets and we will prevail,more and more people are waking up to the jihad and christians will stop turning the other cheek. good god,i almost feel sorry for you,get out while you still can. ps jesus loves you.
Naseem:
How on earth can you say all these positive thinsg about Islam when it is so obvious, so very obvious, that Islam is nothing but a religion of hatred and bloodletting? It offers nothing constructive for the world, it offers nothing in the way of culture, and it offers no love for mankind.
The best thing the world could do is put the giant that is Islam to sleep - permanently!
ss einsattzgruppen hold the key to the "muslim problem"...will history repeat itself i wonder?
Any "religion" that condones rape, beheading, pedophilia, stealing, lying, false prophets, women hating, neighbor hating, child abuse,intimidation, killing innocents and even killing oneself, really is NOT a religion. It is a cult.
It is so sad that instead of working toward some kind of technology, or how to feed themselves, or how to make a better standard of living for citizens of their country, or how to prevent birth defects in children, or population control to prevent overcrowding or famine, the most IMPORTANT aspect of Islam, is learn the Koran.
Don't learn anything to bring you into the 21st century, just learn the Koran.
Pathetic.
That is funny when you consider the fact that Israel has been in existence for 58 years despite being encircled by millions of Muhammadans hell bent on their destruction.
Is Allah unable or unwilling to let peace loving Moslems push Israel into the sea?
If Moslems cannot defeat little tiny Israel, how could they possibly delude themselfs into believing they have enough power to defeat a country the size of Europe or have enough bodies to outlast America?
Right now the Moslem insurgent vs America soldier exchange rate (depending on sources) is around 50 to1, and this is only between combatants. That is 50 dead Moslem insurgents for each 1 American soldier death, if collateral deaths are included the ratio would be more like 100 to 1.
jawknee
'Love' appears 310 times in the Bible - but that's out of a total of more than three-quarters of a million words. But 'fun' and 'happiness' appear not at all. 'Freedom' appears just twice, once when Paul claims to be free born (Acts 22.27,28) and once when Leviticus advises the thrashing of a raped slave..... Now please stop posting your dogma it has no place here.
"As long as those other peoples know their place as good subservient dhimmis."
my what a wide brush stroke -- is this true of ALL islamics?
STRANGER:
Perfectly put!
Islam and it's culture is the biggest threat to the World.
But ALL these man made organised religious cults are unwelcome and hopelessly out of step with the 21st century.
Christian freaks who call for gays to be kicked out of schools or the army or hate the idea of women being priests are the same unwanted blight on a free and liberty based society as those lousy Islamic freaks in the Philipines who want to outlaw public displays of affection.
No, it is not "perfectly put". How could one "measure" what the import of Christ's life was quantitatively by counting words? It's a totally philistine notion.How could you do that with anything of any significance? Can you weigh Mozart's music by the pound? Would you judge Turner on the size of his canvases?
I am an agnostic and would not have posted what jawknee did. But better to have left it. Did stranger have to make it worse? And did you have to pile in on top, too?
Can't you take this elsewhere as Robert asked?
A religion founded by a pedophile who drank camel piss & wiped his butt with a rock, & kill people because they think differently... Not a chance. LOL
Yojimbo
.....it is our right to discriminate against every pathetic variant of religious worship!
"it is our right to discriminate against every pathetic variant of religious worship!"
Not at this site, and not if the founder's rules for posting are followed.
If you care about the cause to which this site is dedicated, you'll follow those reasonable rules.
Islam to rule the world soon -- Iranian president...
"Islam and it's culture is the biggest threat to the World.
But ALL these man made organised religious cults are unwelcome and hopelessly out of step with the 21st century." Posted by DaveyFreak...
Islam is a religion, so this "war" is indeed a faith based conflict.
Your constant attack of Christian faith as man made is your right, can it be known to be fact?
Are you in possession of facts that you can show the world of you being right, and people of the last 2000 years are all mistaken?
Poor Nassim. Really.
Nassim wrote:
"Allah has created his chosen childrens ...muslims to rule the world...what is there not to believe."
and
"My way is peace....peaceful dawa...the Ahmadi way"
The poor dear must feel SO comfortable as she looks forward to her wildly false vision of when "Islam" rules the world. If it did happen (an absurd fantasy) poor Nassim would be lower than a dhimmi. Even now, when islam is in it pathetic continual tantrum level of weakness, she is disrespected by all muslims. She is hated as an Ahmadi, and must be often disconcerted by what fate awaits her, her children, and grandchildren if she has some, at the hands of the frothing masses of sunni or shiite muslims.
Imagine, dear, well over a billion people hate you, and they are to whom you turn looking for comfort when you make these "I'm taking you over" rantings. Gawd, how truly sad. No dignity at all, and your posterity doomed to suffer or die by the intolerance you cheer on. "Peace," huh?
And I know it does dismay you, as you've discussed this on JihadWatch with a dismayed sigh. One mention of your being Ahmadiya and you become persona non grata - your fellow muslims shun you, even though they were friendly only moments before. God that must be awful, but not as bad as you then having to cheer them on - wow. Ouch.
I have so much to be thankful for, just not being Naseem.
(And I do feel a degree of very real pity for her.)
is naseem a girly...i can never tell male and female muslims,they both have hairy chins and moustaches.
jawknee, Mr Ape Pig- comments like you've made on this thread will cause the site to to be moderated or comments shut off completely. Please read Robert Spencer's March 5 piece Komments kraziness. Note the 220+ comments.
Lisa... LMAO!
Naseem... you're so predictable. So pathetic.
jawknee, Mr Ape Pig- comments like you've made on this thread will cause the site to to be moderated or comments shut off completely. Please read Robert Spencer's March 5 piece Komments kraziness. Note the 220+ comments.
Posted by: Charles Bogle at March 6, 2006 04:55 PM
How about also incuding Stranger and DaveyFreak for they threw down the guantlet that was picked up instead of explaining what had been discussed all weekend.
The way you reply can result in long threads, I can attest to this.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
Naseem is useing her religion to assume power over the "infidel" Nothing new.. LOL
Once the United States has come to its senses and removed its troops, the troops now within easier reach of Iranian retaliation, from Iraq, it should without further inhibitions deal with the Iranian project, which can only be stopped, or set back, by missiles and bombs, and if it turns out that the Iranian project is not completely destroyed, then,like staggrered booster-shots years after the initial inoculation, further damage must be inflicted in the same way.
Meanwhile, the Kurds are entitled to some forms of assistance and protection, so that they may move from autonomy under those they do not and should not trust (the Iraqi Arabs) to independence. The realization of an independent Kurdistan will require that the Americans run interference with a hostile Turkey. This is not impossible. It is Turkey that has failed, and failed again, to be an ally, and has caused even former admirers of, even registered agents of, Turkey, such as Perle and Feith, to see Turkey quite differently. The Cold War is over. We do not need Turkey to help us against Russia. We may, rather, one day require a semi-ally, Russia, to help suppress the forces of Islam in and near the Caucasus and the Black Sea. And we have noted, all of us, the popularity of certain movies and books (among them, "Mein Kampf") and the anti-American, anti-European, anti-Israel (all of which sums up as "anti-Infidel") rhetoric coming either from Erdogan or those allied to him. The larger American public may not yet have grasped the change in Turkey, but many in official circles have done so. Though Brent Scowcroft is now on the Turkish payroll, he is no longer of any weight, given his record of un-realistic-"realism" -- unrealistic because it ignored, in the Middle East and in other Muslim countries, the central significance of Islam, and of course never took into account the menace of Islam. Scowcroft, like so many others, like Dennis Ross or Edward Djerijian, or Tom Friedman, is one of Yesterday's Men, "yesterday" being defined as the day before Islam was taken into account as it should be.
In exchange for American support, the govenment of Kurdistan could undertake to fulfill a commitment not to make territorial claims on Turkey, while not merely reserving the right to make such claims on Syria and Iran, but encouraged by the Americans to do so.
An independent Kurdistan would not go unnoticed just across the border, in Kurdish-populated areas of Iran. Putting down its Kurdish population, in Kurdish lands, would not be easy for the Iranian government, especially if it were also involved in helping Shi'a in Iraq but worrying about internal dissension that might follow upon the humiliation of an American destruction of nuclear facilities. And it could never be sure, at the same time, when the Kurdish model might also inspire Azeris (why should the government of Azerbaijan not wish to incorporate Azeri-populated northern Iran into its own state?), Baluchis, and Arabs in Khuzistan.
The enthusiasm of the Kurds for the United States is known to every American soldier in Iraq; Kurdish territories were the place for rest and recreation within Iraq. The Administration has been unduly fearful of Turkish reaction to an independent Kurdistan, not quite sure how to break it to them gently in Ankara. They needn't worry. It is the Turks who should be moving heaven and earth trying to make up for their refusal to let Americans from American bases enter Iraq from the north in March 2003. It is the Turks who have some explaining to do, not least about the remarks by Turkish politicians comparing Americans in Iraq to Nazis, and having the Americans suffer by the comparison. It is the Turks, with their movie depicting the American soldiers as those Nazis, and with "Mein Kampf" becoming a best-seller in Turkey, who have some explaining to do about the meaning, and permanence, of Kemalism. Neither the United States, nor any other Infidel member of NATO, is a friend to an ectoplasmic shape called "Turkey." It is a friend to Kemalist, secularist Turkey, a Turkey that shows in word and deed (and if the army has to impose that word and deed, until the secularists within Turkey rise aggressively to the defense of Kemalism and put the blame, for Turkey's woes, on the "other Muslims" -- especialy the Arabs. For in truth, Turkey now has no chance to be admitted to the E.U., and its secularists should prepare now to blame the "Muslim Arabs" for giving the Turkish version a bad name. Guilt by association, that sort of thing. Use the rejection not to whip up further resentment by the Turkish masses against Europe as a "Christian club," but against Arabs as the historic butt of Turkish contempt, so as to widen the fissures within Islam. That is, if you are a true Turkish secularist, intent on weakening Islam within and without Turkey, and not merely the kind of beneficiary of Kemalist contraints on Islam who wants Turkey to be admitted to the E.U. so that the power of the Islamic Party supportes may be diluted -- may become the general problem for all of Europe's Infidels, because Turkish secularists don't want to deal with the problem themselves. Too bad -- they gained much from Kemalism. They have not been sufficiently aggressive in supportiing and defending it. Perhaps now they will, when the there is no longer any chance of passing the problem on to the European Community.
How could the American government prevent the Turks from militarily squashing an independent Kurdistan? Well, American warplanes, if known to be guarding the borders of that Kurdistan, can do much. And the Turks can be made an offer they can't refuse. The Americans can guarantee to the army in Ankara that no Kurdish claims will be made to land now part of Turkey, and that Turkey, now that the Cold War is over, is not needed nearly as much by the United States as Turkey, now needs the United States. Turks are beginning to realize that the bloom is entirely off this particular rose, in Gulistan or elsewhee, and that without entry into the E.U., they can either throw in their lot with the Muslim Arabs, hope for a pittance to be thrown their way, or they can try to carve out a role for themselves, not the grand pan-Turanian schemes by which Turkey would have become the model and natural leader of the five former Soviet stans, but possibly, if it returns to the path of Ataturk, at least the ally of the least Islamic among them, and might even begin to figure out ways to collaborate with Kurdistan rather than to attempt to throttle it. In the end, between them Kurdistan and Turkey might keep both Syria and Iran quite worried, and quite busy.
If the Americans get out of Iraq, support the Kurds, destroy the Iranian nuclear project, they may find that the Islamic Republic of Iran will come apart at the seams, losing the Kurdish territories, and then the Azeri-populated territories, and then the Baluchis may fight for autonomy, and who knows what will happen in the mess of Khuzistan and the once-and-future vilayet of Basra.
This is an outcome full of possiblities, all of them good for Infidels, none of them good for either the Islamic Republic of Iran, or indeed, given the need that the oil of Iraq, whether in the Kurdish or the Shi'a-populated lands, is almost certainly going to be exploited by others than the Sunni Arabs who once ruled the roost, for Saudi Arabia and other Defenders of the Faith against those practically-infidel Shi'a.
And while all of this is going on, and the Infidels watch, and learn, those in the United States or in Europoe who screamed and marched, and marched and screamed, for the Americans to "get out of Iraq," will have a hard time suggesting that the Americans should not, not, not leave Iraq, or if they already have, should go back.
In what other time, about what other place, can the Americans do the most useful and clever thing, the least sentimental thing, the most damaging-to-Islam-overall thing, and yet get away with it without any of the usual suspects here at MoveOn.org or i soliti ignoti in Europe, being able to complain, being tongue-tied, being confused, not knowing quite how to react?
My god, it takes a real idiot not to jump at the chance. Bush, and some of his advisers, are proving equal to the task.
Tex
Sorry for offering the facts and figures.
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This President of Iran is such a moron, every time he opens his mouth it's utter garbage and warrants nothing but contempt.
---- Your constant attack of Christian faith as man made is your right, can it be known to be fact?
Are you in possession of facts that you can show the world of you being right, and people of the last 2000 years are all mistaken?----
Er....Well on that logic are followers of Islam mistaken? It's also thousands of years old.
Make your mind up!
And NO practicing Christian can go on about 'fact' can they?
After all there is no proof at all that your God, or any other God for that matter, exists?
So i can turn it around and ask you "can it be known to be fact"?
"force" leading to "peace and quietude".
Well 'quietude' perhaps, by flattening people's freedom.
Peace? Never!
Since the Koran is a cistern of unreality, why should its most ardent devotees be anything but fountains of delusional bilge?
As Islam loses more and more contact with reality -through this kind of self-aggrandizing nonsense- and, as they express their violent core dogmas more openly and extremely, the self-defensive reaction from the infidels, worldwide, will eventually crush this "religion"'s mad dreams of dominion.
Look at what the Imperialistic Islamists face:
Dog lovers, womens' rights activists, wine drinkers, gays, atheists, agnostics, pork eaters, un-submissive Christians and Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Wiccans, Bahais, Jains, pagans, Vedantists, representational artists, Christian Scientists, musicians, nudists, anti-polygamists, free speech advocates, and scores of other counter-Islamic groups.
The sheer protean ingenuity inherent in such diverse minds guarantees eventual success against a self-sterilized mono-mind.
A pity we have to waste our efforts on such a dismal prospect when far better 'opponents' exist (conquering disease, exploring the cosmos, intuiting new inventions, creating new forms of art).
But to get back to our real work, we need to sweep the fools blocking the road to the future aside.
Wow hugh, let's get WWIII underway. l reluctently agree but l have a feeling China will get invoved soon to complicate things even further.
And NO practicing Christian can go on about 'fact' can they?
After all there is no proof at all that your God, or any other God for that matter, exists?
So i can turn it around and ask you "can it be known to be fact"?
Posted by: DaveyFreak at March 6, 2006 05:42 PM
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Hey DaveyFreak:
We know where you stand about relegion. Please refrain. Remember all that we went through this past weekend.
If you really want to be beneficial, how about tackling a common letter for all to send to our Congressmen and Senators. Your help would be appreciated even if you are a Brit.
Thanks,
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
Profitsbread'
Too bloody right, l'll defend my egg & bacon breakfast to the death!
My god, it takes a real idiot not to jump at the chance. Bush, and some of his advisers, are proving equal to the task.
Posted by: Hugh
Perfectly stated.
I vote for "stranger" and "DaveyFreak" to be the first posters subjected to the rules described in Komment Kapers.
The envelope please: "For their ears of tin and their hollow heads... the award goes to..."
My goodness, our weakness really is being too PC! If any European thug-in-chief was talking like that he would be officially called a fascist, be persona-non-grata, and be assured that the slightest attempt at war would be immediately quashed.
He's actually getting away with this blather just because he is not 'white' and because he's hiding behind 'religion'!
Re Helmut Kohl - I simply don't believe it without real evidence! This was an Iranian gvt paper, right? Perhaps they've either made it up completely, or taken something totally out of context.
jsla,
You and l are tied in 4th place for irrelevant postings in this thread... one a piece.
This President of Iran is such a moron, every time he opens his mouth it's utter garbage and warrants nothing but contempt.
Posted by: stranger at March 6, 2006 05:40 PM
When the spokes of a wheel continue to point at the same spot you have probably identified the hub of the problem, Islam.
Lets just hope that some fanatic doesn't assassinate this moronic leader in Iran, until as Hugh put it, the iddoitts in Washington finally jump to the correct conclusion and WWIII starts before Islam can destroy Europe and severely damage America.
Sometimes, you just want to grab 'em and slap 'em around until they come to their senses. I keep praying that not all of the politicians and bureaucrats in Washington are not blind, deaf, brain dead, but they keep confirming it on a daily basis.
The Texican,
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
stranger-
And those little sausage, egg, cheese and biscuit sandwiches!
Allah can kiss my rosy red rectum before I surrender them!
Burgerboy says about the residence of the caliphate ...circa 2050. "That is funny when you consider the fact that Israel has been in existence for 58 years despite being encircled by millions of Muhammadans hell bent on their destruction."
BB (can I call you that?) ....each Israeli gets given a bible & a gun....told to respect both...their faith is strong and their will is strong and their training is good...and that is to be resprected. It is why Israel is still there.
The Crusader/confederate West has no such strength...their link with Jesus is teneous and their faith is weak....which is why Islam will prevail. The only thing given to Amrikan childrens is a burger and a deep fat fryer.
How you can insult Israel like this is beyond me.
Jawknee says "Naseem, i believe Allahs profacy will never come true. And even if it does I will not convert to islam, even if it means my life". I respect such spirit....Islam needs people like you....think about it.
Mark Alexander says "How on earth can you say all these positive thinsg about Islam".
What's there not to be positive about? Things are getting better for the muslim the world over...there's tremendous unity and fun to be had.....come on in the water's lovely.
Linda says "Naseem... you're so predictable. So pathetic".
Predicitable is good....it makes the radar watcher...tired & lathargic...and yawn. Like your sleepy radar watchers who didn't see the Japanese aircraft ..who came & pummeled Paerl harbour.....yes...those generals afterwarsd wanted to know who didn't pay attention to the radars....predicitable is good.
Some people post meaningfully, and some don't get it.
A few potty-mouthed, emotionality-dominated ranters can drag down these mostly thoughtful forums to a very low level - hardly worth reading. They probably can't appreciate the value of a discussion that is on subject with facts and analysis, as opposed to being largely about the poster's emotional process, also known as ranting and venting.
Hugh's statement about the "pedagogical" orientation of JW/DW was excellent, and worth reviewing. http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/008959.php.
The world wide web has many many places for low-grade ranting and venting. They call you.
Yes, you.
The Crusader/confederate West has no such strength...their link with Jesus is teneous and their faith is weak....which is why Islam will prevail. The only thing given to Amrikan childrens is a burger and a deep fat fryer.
Posted by: Naseem at March 6, 2006 06:29 PM
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Naseem, you can not realize how wrong you are.
The day I was born, I had chicken and dumplings. I wasn’t much older when I had my first weapon given to me. I have been raised on steak and just about every thing else, but beets and rutabagas.
My sons and my grandson have been raised the same way with weapons and great food their whole lives.
Islam has an awakening coming if Islam attacks America again.
The Texican,
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
Firstly, I don't believe Nasseem is a she or a he, it's an agglomeration who put their comments to specifically stir up silly remarks by some people.
We need to concentrate on the central theme, which is to notify as many thinking people in this world that the evil that is main stream islam is trying to chip away at values in this world that are good, honest, humanitarian and fair.
Religion doesn't come into it, except for thinking people to stop the likes of islam hurting people who are not of that cult.
Many postings are great but when it degenerates into childish mudslinging it is distressing because we are losing sight of the fact that this is a desperately important website with a desperately important message to prevent any further incursion of the cult of islam into the world of goodwill.
We have to concentrate on trying to get our elected leaders to realise the dangers and evils of islam and to stop their apologist stance and their appeasement at all costs.
Come on people let's get them.
Gosh Naseem,
I see you "responded" to the easy stuff. But you evaded answering me about the contradiction that you are living out, as you post here your cheerleadings for the Caliphate, which would oppress Ahmadis like yourself. God it's so unfair, isn't it. You obviously don't want to convert to Sunni - you speak fondly and proudly of being Ahmadi, yet that is likely to be your only recourse, possibly on pain of death. It is YOU who stands to be ruthlessly dominated by jihadis, as you are a Kafir, even though you cheer them on with your public face shown to us infidels at JW.
Rejected by other muslims (as you described here a few months back), but unable to learn from the experience, your moral blindness is almost impossible to grasp. You should feel opposed to the bigotry and oppressiveness in islam. It's directed at YOU. But you prefer to nurse that hurt that you live with every day by trying to lord an imagined future dominance over "infidels" here online.
Am I getting warm? Hmmm?
I still feel pity for you, though.
Naseem-
The radar crew at Pearl Harbor was the victim of a very unusual historical coincidence:
-they were expecting a flight of U.S. planes to appear on their scopes that day, and when the Japanese attack flight showed up, they mistook them for their own U.S. formation... until it was too late. They just weren't in the mindset to conceive that another nation (as pan-national Islamic terrorists did on 9/11) would treacherously sneak attack the U.S..
If no American aircraft had been due to arrive in Hawaii that same day, the alarm would have gone out when strange blips appeared on their radar.
But, even with such a devastating attack, we re-grouped, re-built, re-armed, speeded up production of new ships, planes, tanks, subs, and weaponry, turned on the Imperial Japanese, and less than four years later, had them, and their Nazi and Italian fascist allies defeated.
What allies does Islam have?
A question too rarely asked.
jsla - I have to disagree with the 'reporting to authority' of Davey and stranger, because I've just double checked and jawknee was the first to bring up christianity (with great enthusiasm) in this thread.
I don't see anything wrong with that, as long as it doesn't go on too long, but those of us of different opinion will need to say so, to ensure that people from all backgrounds feel at home of the site.
Again, I think how long one spends on these topics is more relevant than whether they are brought up at all.
jsla, if you decide to 'tell on' Davey and stranger, please let us all know in this thread (where you threatened it), so that those of us who disagree can also contact Robert.
The only thing given to Amrikan childrens is a burger and a deep fat fryer.
Naseem
Apparently you are unaware of America’s teen culture, some of them maybe chubby, but their propensity toward violent video games combined with too many calories and our right to bear arms, means the chances of Mohammadanism prevailing are slim to none and slim just left.
Perhaps the best and most expedient way to derail Iran's megalomania quest is to detonate large-scale electro-magnetic impulse weapons over that nation's airspace. That will obliterate the country's infrastructure and render it incapable of launching nuclear weapons. And it will result in a minimum loss of life. Best of all it will return these Muslims back to the 7th century which is what they keep saying they want. Heck, they can HAVE it now!!!
The western world had better get on with the show ASAP and stick it to Iran. NOW!!
Time is of the essence.
Naseem wrote: "...each Israeli gets given a bible & a gun....told to respect both...their faith is strong and their will is strong and their training is good...and that is to be resprected. It is why Israel is still there."
Interesting perspective. I viewed a documentary regarding the 6-day war this past weekend, and one of the Israeli interviewees said something to the effect that: "We prepared to win, and the Egyptians prepared for their victory march in Cairo."
Israel will be a perpetual thorn in the side of Islam, as long as they remain strong. As long as
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad continues to prepare for the victory march in Tehran, he isn't going to have any effect upon Islam's tyrannical march towards world domination. His mindless faith in Allah will be his undoing, just as it was the undoing of Nassar.
DaveyFreak;
Your answer is accepted.
Proof is there to be found, but as with all things requires a bit of faith in the end.
I respect your opinion, it is needed to move forward in the struggle agains Islam. Just as some others here promote Islam, all views must be voiced to stand with the rest. Those who have yet to decide can do so with knowledge.
Islam is a religion (and more) and should be seen from both a faith based, and secular opinion as to allow better decisions as to where to go from here.
sigh.
First, Israel will never fall. Never. You could take this to be the word of God that Jews and Christians both believe in, since, you know, he made it pretty plain that once they were re-established, that was that until the very end of time.
But, if you don't want to take it on faith, or aren't of that faith -- try looking at it this way. Israel will never fall. Never. They will never fall because the price of falling would be total death and destruction. So, they will (as they have proven time and time again) fight with everything in them to protect their land. They fight with a fanatics religious zeal (GOD gave them the land -- they believe that even if you don't), and the backbone of a people that has been so terribly persecuted that they simply would not ever allow their haven, now restored, to be taken.
They will flatten the entire M.E. if they have to. And, I think they have shown remarkable restraint actually. Given the threats that they have long been surrounded by, and the weapons that I am quite sure they possess....
I sleep fairly well at night because I know that Israel pays attention. Israel's hand has been stayed by the west SO many times... But, the west is starting to go, "oh, uhm, Israel, gee, I think I am starting to see what you were talking about..."
SO the west will let Israel "do the deed". Then they will slap them on the wrist for doing it. Because I am quite certain that Israel will be able to prove that they were provoked when the time for real action comes. And, since the west will have secretly wanted it done anyway...
Well, that's politics right?
TO ALL
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jsla, if you decide to 'tell on' Davey and stranger, please let us all know in this thread (where you threatened it), so that those of us who disagree can also contact Robert.
Posted by: Lilith
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And NO practicing Christian can go on about 'fact' can they?
After all there is no proof at all that your God, or any other God for that matter, exists?
So i can turn it around and ask you "can it be known to be fact"?
Posted by: DaveyFreak at March 6, 2006 05:42 PM
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Now please stop posting your (Christian added) dogma it has no place here.
Posted by: stranger at March 6, 2006 03:25 PM
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Robert Spencer has requested that all of us to quit the in-fighting and this has not occurred.
The attacks against Christianity continue by DaveyFreak who has severe problems with and detests Christianity and religion. Just read his posts. Others voice opinions, but they do not attack.
Continued attacks against Christianity and religion does nothing but drive wedges between the very individuals that need to be uniting together to defeat Islam.
Over 200,000,000 million American and over a billion souls across the world believe in Christ and God.
If anyone on this site believes the Islam can be defeated without the involvement of Christians, please post and state how for I think it would be very informative.
I have a heavy dislike for leftist liberal dogma, but I have pledged not to attack those that attack my beliefs, but this has to stop or Islam will be victorious.
The attacks on Christianity and religion has to be put to the side and some reasonable accommodations have to be accorded to those that have religious and non-religious beliefs. When you over step the bounds, it is better to inform that party to tone it down and not to attack an individuals belief.
Islam can not be defeated without the combined support of all religions including Christianity and the non-believers across the world.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost
The muslims in our countries will stay relatively quiet until they get there numbers up and are able to get strong represention in our parliments then they will start making demands and when those demands are not met it will be called an attack on Islam and they will say we don,t respect them and then the shit will start.
I predict the Netherlands will be the first to go.
Jawknee, you're a sweetie. I think we're all learning to listen to each other's ideas for dealing with the fundamental issue. I do think that some discussion of alternatives to Islamism (e.g. other religions, no religion, personal Islam but secular state) is relevant, and that hopefully each one of them can offer a better way to fundamentalist Islam.
Back to the topic, here is an interesting article about Iran's youth waking up and wanting more freedom: http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/01/04/opinion/edacker.php
Looks like Ahmadinejad and his mates are considered clowns. If only they were less dangerous...
Islam = CULT!!
Everyone keeps referring to Islam as a religion; but it's much more than that, by definition it's a cult!!
Cult is defined in these terms: mind-control, brainwashing, extremism, psychological manipulation. Sound familiar? Do a little research, and you too will discover that this is a "cult" we're dealing with.
Hear hear, Texican!
I will also desist from engaging in fistfights on the way to the FEBA.
Jawknee writes:
I feel like kicking this guy in the balls.
I had a great laugh over that one..straight and to the point.
I'm not sure if you guys read this one but it sure is bone-chilling.....
http://www.newprophecy.net/secondhome.htm
Texan ! Beer's on me !!!!
----Cult is defined in these terms: mind-control, brainwashing, extremism, psychological manipulation. Sound familiar?----
Yeah! Sounds like Islam to me. I agree.
OH! Wait on...It also sounds like the Baptists and the Catholics too!
You fuckers make me laugh.
We do indeed all agree that Islam is the main threat. And we do all need to fight it together.
But none of you religious nuts can see just how damaging your bullshit statements are TO that fight!
How stupid do you have to be to go on and on about how bad Islam is, and how it's a cult and how it's God is not the true God and blah blah blah and THEN go on about Christianity!
You sound the same!!!
You go on about how old Christianity is as if that is some defense. SO WHAT!!? Islam is juts as old!!
And Paganism IS OLDER!!
You go on about what the 'true' God is.
SO DO MUSLIMS!!
You go on about how offendedd you are at people saying anything about your religion and your God.
SO DO THE MUSLIMS!!
You go on about the lies and fantasy in the Quran.
Is the Bible any different? Where is all this proof of 6 day worlds? Wine into water ("and that's magic"!), parting seas, talking, burning bushes? Adam and Eve? Coming back from the dead like a freakin George A Romero movie?
What about all the violence in the Bible?
Sorry folks, you can't whine on about the fantasy delusion of the Quran if you believe th Bible!
Are you as bad as the most extreme Islamic scum?
NO.
But quite frankly that's like a burgler saying he is better than a rapist.
YES, we would agree that a burgler is better than a rapist, but admit it....Burglers aren't exactly the best for a society either are they?
We do indeed need to fight Islam... Oh yes! It's the biggest threat to the World and scum like the people who run Iran need to be exterminated. We are one on that Brother s and Sister!
But YOU lot need to drop all this hardline Christian crap because it not only make the fight look like a biased agenda driven cause why on lot of religious nuts against another lot, but it also mires the whole cause in blatant hypocrisy, damaging irony and brings too many elements of those that fight Islam too close TO Islam!
Wake up! Be a Christian. be a Baptist, be a Catholic. But keep it all the HELL away from this fight as it does nothing but harm for the cause!
Leave The Holy Book outside people. Pick it up after on the way out...at battle's end.
----The latest violence flared with the cartoons. I thought that this would be a wake-up call.----
9/11 was not even a wake-up call. Bali, Spain and London were not a wake-up call.
The PC brigade and the Human Rights morons are holding back the fight because any fight against Islam is seen as racist!
Islam has sadly got the ultimate shield in front of it. And shockingly it's non-Muslims that are too often seen foolishly holding up that shield for Islam by their PC attitudes and their fears of looking racist!
DaveyFreak seems pretty worried about Muslims, burglers (sic), Christians, Baptists, PC brigades ,Human Rights "morons", and myriad other "scum" as he defines them...
Never fear! DaveyFreak! Lilith will defend you!
Wake up! Be a Christian. be a Baptist, be a Catholic. But keep it all the HELL away from this fight as it does nothing but harm for the cause!
Leave The Holy Book outside people. Pick it up after on the way out...at battle's end.
Posted by: DaveyFreak
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DaveyFreak your hatred of Christianity clouds your mind so greatly that you do not realize the overt hatred that comes across in your posts.
I and others have asked you to back off and you continue your tirades.
I will be sending a compliant to Robert for you will not control yourself.
The Texican,
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
To DaveyFreak,
If you can't keep it on topic and contribute the thoughtful discussions found here, don't post, just read. And go to an internet rantboard to post.
That is, unless you are really a troll, seeking to disrupt and degrade the JW/DW process.
You appear not to get this.
Thanks.
Hypocrisy again! It sems you this place IS simply a hot bed of Christian fundamentalism after all!
Keep on topic? Keep on topic about fighting Islam?
RIGHT. OKAY.
Then in that case keep the bullshit Bible thumping and Christian preaching out of here too!
As that has NOTHING to do with fighting Islam either!
I and others don't follow any religion and still notice the threat of Islam and want to take action and get the World to notice...So given that, what has all this Bible bollocks got to DO with that cause?
You want me to stop slamming the fanatical hypocrites in here who are Christian fundamentalist?
Fine.
Keep Christisn fundamentalism out of here! Because as shown it has nothing to do with it!
And if Robert thinks a bunch of obnoxious Jerry Falwell wannabes and their fanatic posts are a vital part of 'Jihad Watch' (when in fact they do more harm than good) he's not as astute as I thought him to be!
Fact is *I* could have died in the london bombings and I don't follow any religion...So quite frankly religion being used as some kind of banner for what 'Jihad Watch' stands for is a fucking insult!
Lilith? Lilith?
Frappefascist Float... the latest confection at JihadWatch...
Drizzled with 92% psychotic fanatical anti-Christian OT froth -- 2% all out nutty nuttiness, 2% loopy fruity fruitiness, and 2% token throw-away mentionings of Islam and Jihad...
It's Frappedelicious! It's Frappefantastic!
The Frappefascist Float...! Come and get 'em while they last...!
DaveyFreak -
You clearly overreacted to my post, because I never claimed to be any of the things you clearly despise in my last post; so I'm scratching my head as to why you reacted in such a zero-mentality manner. For all you know, I could be an atheist, because I never mentioned my religious beliefs when I shared my thoughts about Islam being a cult.
Next time, do your homework; and try to calm down, because your "hate speech" is only contributing to the problems our world faces.
Daveyfreak,
If a particularpost is too religious for your liking, why not ignore it and stay with your substance as I do believe you have much to add but you are being taken more off track by the religious elements of postings than others are.
You fight the fight from a secular standing. Good for you. I, as noted elsewhere, understand your concern that some religious groups could threaten your secular lifestyle -- right here right now you have my word that if that happens I will join up with you to fight that threat. I believe in the separation of church and state in all things.
But, when another "religion" threatens to wipe out everybody that won't join -- threatens to wipe away other religions -- the religious amongst us must respond to that as, at least on some level, a religious issue.
You don't want to be converted. I am AOK with that! I am not fond of the big push to conversion on boards such as these myself -- but try to understand that some of us in fighting for what we believe in do have a religious concern-- which is a state that allows us freedom to practice our religion. So, we can't leave the religion entirely out of the fight -- it is part and parcel to many of the religous folks.
Please, don't be distracted by it. I think it is very important that you are here because it is largely the secular world that fails to see this threat at this point in time (though there are still blind among the "flocks" of the world as well). In that, you are truly a more powerful advocate for real change than those who move in heavily religion dominated circles. We need you.
GO TEXICAN....DaveyFreak has wore-out his welcome!!
toleranceorappeasement?
I see your point. And i do know what the real threat is. And you make a valid arguement and you do it well.
My point though is that such fundamentalist posts and attitudes colour the whole cause and in fact turn people away.
Can you honestly say that a site full of George Bush's and Jerry Falwell's is anything but a PR nightmare for 'Jihad Watch' and simply makes the whole place (and more damging, the whole cause) look like nothing more than a lot of 'my religion is better than yours and my God is better than yours' preaching by one lot of fundamentalists to another?
And as such the legit fight against the evil Islam looks nothing more than the fight of one religion over another to dominate our lives.
Not a good look to have.
But I respect your views and jawknee's last post, don't get me wrong.
DaveyFreak;
Your voice is needed, and from your way of thinking it should be heard.
Again, the proof is there, but you should study to find out for yourself. Your post of events that happened (or people lied about in the bible) is, again what I asked before.
Do you have somthing to show it never happened?
If not, then your statements are not helpful to the overall action that is underway here.
If you refuse to even look to find information that you can use as proof as to backup your statements, then it is just your words.
Christians (or faith) are not a enemy, just a true ally in the struggle against Islam.
"big push to conversion on boards such as these myself"
???
OK -- there ya lost me toleranceorappeasement... Every once in a while I see Christians proselytizing here, and I agree it's not welcome any more than Muslim proselytizing, but I've never seen a "big push" --NEVER. DaveyFreaks 30 or 40 ranting diatribes about his anti-evangelic evangelicism certainly at this point FAR FAR FAR exceed the incidence of such posts by now, wouldn't you agree?
Such a characterization that there's a "big push" to evangelize for Christianity is not only a slander upon this site, but shows an incredible tendency to inflate the occurance of such posts here.
Please keep in mind that I'm an agnostic -- completely -- Dont believe, never did.
But nearly insane rants like the ones consistently displayed by "DaveyFreak" and a lesser degree by others expose a fanaticism on their part which seems to approach that of the craze brained Muslim fanatics which should rivet our attention.
This zany and sometimes unhinged zealotry, these absolutely fanatical secularists dilate most and most floridly about the dangers of Christianity, and not Islam. They consistenly have attempted to shut down all discourse in the these threads the same way they'd like to shut all discourse down in the West regarding religion, politics, economics unless it comports with their narrow view... These very same posters are nothing more than the votaries of fascist secular political correctness -- they are, in part, the reason we have such difficulty discussing the issue of Islam! And they are implicated in the advent of moral relativism, political correctness, and the lack of compass in the West which has helped usher in this era of Islamic Jihad in the West. Nutjobs like DaveyFreak are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
I don't deny that sometimes zany Christians go over the top here -- but in the main, I find the posters who come from the Christian perspective stay on topic regarding Islam and Jihad, even if one disagrees with the exact train of thought which brought them there/here.
I have been reading and posting here for a couple years now, and there seems to be a steady stream of fanatical secular bigots drawn to this site. I notice a couple consisten traits they manifest:
They tend to come here and post relentlessly and tend to repeat the same monologue over and over again.
They tend to spend the majority of time making false parallels between imagined or real Christian transgressions, and only discuss the Jihad of Muslims in passing.
When I suggest that posters such as DaveyFreak be given the boot, it's because I see him and his exact kind espousing so often, and so insanely a kind of anti-Christian psychosis... Such posters always appear to me to simply wish to silence any hint of Christian bent in any post -- as if the Christians are somehow worse than the Jihadis (which is something they often try to aver)
I completely disagree that such Christian posters are a genuine problem at this site -- and I firmly believe that secular crazies contribute NOTHING to our discussion, and, in fact, drive it regularly into the ditch, as we have seen repeatedly over the last two days...
'jsla'....VERY well put....I second your insights!
"I completely disagree that such Christian posters are a genuine problem at this site -- and I firmly believe that secular crazies contribute NOTHING to our discussion, and, in fact, drive it regularly into the ditch, as we have seen repeatedly over the last two days..."
Posted by: jsla
Another faith (ie. Christians) has no trouble showing what may be wrong in another's faith.
But, the secular view is having more trouble calling a "religion" false, or even wrong. Looking at Europe, the trouble against them is a product of it's secular, "live and let live" ways. The media in the states has trouble calling a attack from Islam's body, just look at the SUV attack event.
So, A faith based point of view is nescessary for it's more direct call of events.
--- But, the secular view is having more trouble calling a "religion" false, or even wrong.----
Well that's what is being said about Islam.
And I have NO trouble saying it.
And I have no trouble saying that attacks by Muslims are indeed religious attacks.
Sorry...your assumption is wrong.
People not admitting something is a religious act are simply PC. Nothing else.
People on here seem to be too dim to see that just because I'm not a raging Falwell cocksucker that i must be PC!
What utter tripe!
PC people are PC people no matter who or what else they are.
Being secular does not mean you are PC...It just means you see the oppression and unwanted condemnation of others in ALL religions not just one.
In fact, that's as far from being PC as you can get!!
I come from a secular stand point and yet I see Islamic attacks as JUST THAT...Islamic. Religious.
And i also see the fact that in Western countries Muslims hide behind their ethnic minority status and skin colour to ensure the REAL PC brigade don't do anything about them.
See? Nothing PC here....Just secular. No relation between the two.
champ: remember homosexual acts are vile and dirty and sinful to Christian nutters. So don't get too close to jsla's arse will you.
This is fun - you think I'm a guy - the jokes on you DaveyDude!
DaveyFreak, after reading some of these posts, it seems that you need to chill out and not take it out on the Christians. Those who have faith in the Lord are not trying to go to war against you. We are just simply here to post on the issue of jihad and our opinions on it. Also this is just an internet website, it is not worth getting all worked up on.
Frappefascist Floats can really ruin a great discussion board, and one from which I am learning SO much!!
I'd hate to see JW's comments (or "Komments") get driven into the ditch. They are often so high quality, due to the posters' intelligence and thoughtfulness.
I also like that people here have different backgrounds brought to bear on Jihad, such as Christians (I am secular). I find that interesting and relevant.
DaveyFreak doesn't engage his mind but rather just kinda pukes his outbursts all over what had been an interesting discussion, e.g.:
"You want me to stop slamming the fanatical hypocrites in here who are Christian fundamentalist?"
Why are you slamming anyone? And with such venom. That's what I can't figure out.
"...religion being used as some kind of banner for what 'Jihad Watch' stands for is a fucking insult!"
It's INSULTING to you! Anyone who INSULTS me like this MUST BE KILLED, BEHEADED!!!! AAAH!!!!
Sound familiar?
Also, if you must use profanity, use it with style at least, if not purpose. You really just sound unhinged (which may be the case).
It bothers me to see this discussion dragged down the tubes - such a loss, although the other posters are valiantly fighting the slide.
Please read and think about Hugh's statement about the "pedagogical" orientation of JW/DW. Link here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/008959.php.
It's written for you. This is his (and RS's) territory we are on.
Thank you.
"Frappefacist Floats" - "Unhinged"....those are HILARIOUS!!
Davey-da-Freak....you missed a spot....
During your zero-tolerance-for-religion "smear campaign", you failed to mention the ever popular cult *Secular Humanism* on your hate/hit list. You know - the cult you're a member of.
Clean-it-up for the sake of peace....and try to remember who the REAL enemy is!!
champ: remember homosexual acts are vile and dirty and sinful to Christian nutters. So don't get too close to jsla's arse will you.
Posted by: DaveyFreak at March 7, 2006 03:40 PM
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This is fun - you think I'm a guy - the jokes on you DaveyDude!
Posted by: champ at March 7, 2006 04:22 PM
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This makes the second time today that the laughter just would not stop. Thanks to both.
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DaveyFreak:
I probably detest leftist liberal dogma and PC as much as you detest relegion, but even from opposing views common ground can be found.
Many of your posts have been informative and there many things that we do agree on. Please put down your religious bashing gloves and gird-up for Islam.
Pledge to all that you will drop this triade, it would be more pleasant for all and we could get back to the main point of this site.
I do have one question for you.
You mentioned that you were nearly in the 7/7 Islamic attack on London. Please expand.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
DavieFreak;
My comment on the secular issue was not directed at you, just somthing I felt added to this discussion. I posted to you before to give a seed to a idea. I am sorry if this offended.
I feel youe energy is needed here, please don't convert.
O.T., are you in favor of the UAE port deal?
Everyone is so sensitive!
Okay, my post about the push to conversion on boards like these was meant as exactly that boards LIKE these. I don't call to ban religious discussion-- far from it -- I participate, my point of view is highly impacted by MY religion. Sometimes, however, it can be helpful to keep in mind that an audience might be more open to another approach. And that many of the leftist intellectuals we need to get on board hear you (and I speak from my personal experience with my leftist intellectual friends) speak on religion and think "how can such a smart person be so dumb. You are clearly tainted on this issue so your research and facts I will reject without EVEN investigating, because they are wrapped in with religion"
It's a reality that I am smart and religous. I know my religion -- while motivating, does not negate my careful research.
But, the secularists of the world don't accept my religion. And, if I want to more fully engage them in the fight against Islam, I need to accept that they don't accept it.
I would like to see Secularists simply not respond to or about posts they deem overly religous (and this is just my suggestion I ain't no R.S.! I have no authority here!) -- I would like to see them share how to bring more secularists to attention regarding the real situation.
I would like religous folk (myself included) try to refrain from responding to posts that they deem overly secular (post explictly approving things they deeply disapprove of).
In both cases, people should respond if they are going to discuss the content and not just bash the secular or religous point of view.
I would like to see these things because both groups and both points of view are needed here.
More religious people will likely wake to the threat when it is posed in religous terms.
More secular people will likely wake to the threat when it is posed in secular terms.
Think of us all as Special Agents who speak different languages and our jobs are to go out and share the important information with others who speak OUR language. But, to do that in the most efficient way (a necessity given that Islam seems to be speeding up) we need to share information with each other back here at "headquarters".
Sometimes those who speak religion will speak to each other in "religion" Sometimes those who speak secular will speak to each in "secular".
Both groups need to be okay with that.
It is very important that we try to talk between groups here as well though.
Sure John 3:16 isn't going to change the mind of a new age punk darkwave club kid about Islam. It might change the mind of a Pastor who has influence over many others though...
And, that punk darkwave club kid -- he might really start to listen if Davey or someone else were to point out how much his secular lifestyle would be impacted under a strict Islamic regime (which would NOT approve of his music or the attire he wears to the clubs!)
We are hear to learn from each other and support each other to unite others against the threat.
If we can't unite here, if we can't solve these differences here -- then we are screwed already!
Let's agree to let others have their say. Who knows what non-posting lurker might resonate to a post that doesn't do it for others here?
And then that lurker told two lurkers, and those lurkers told two lurkers...
You all get the idea.
Yow,jsla, I'm here (slight name change for personal reasons). I sleep while you guys write - other side of the world, remember?
Um I'd have to agree that after jawknee had admitted an error in evalangelising, perhaps it was time to let the whole topic rest. Davey, it's up to you of course, we're not going to de-evangelise fundamentalist christians, are we? And they won't convert (or is and in-vert??) us. So personally I only feel the need to respond in that way when people post obvious evangelising or open untruths about the history of Christianity AND I think the thread would then look unbalanced and put people off this site. My purpose is to attract people into understanding the topic.
However, if we need a specific thread for really thrashing religion/non-religion out, couldn't we just ask Robert for one?
Komments Krazy - Robert states:
"refrain from Christian evangelism"....
by definition, Christian evangelism is sharing the gospel with one key objective in mind: to bring someone to Christ.
And in order to bring someone to Christ, an invitation HAS TO BE MADE at some point. If there's no invitation to receive Christ, then true "evangelism" hasn't taken place.
But if someone wants to share an opinion, and if that opinion includes their faith; as it pertains to a particular topic on this website, then that should be fine - because it isn't evangelising at all - it's sharing!
We have to be careful how we interpret what someone is saying when they share their faith, because it doesn't necessarily mean you're being asked to convert.
It's a reality that I am smart and religous.
Posted by: toleranceorappeasement?
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Is this not an oxxyman, no an oxxyidiot, no it is an oxxymoron I thunkk.
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we're not going to de-evangelise fundamentalist christians, are we? And they won't convert (or is and in-vert??)
Posted by: Lili
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In-vert.. Tried that once, it was to kinky and had to go the doctor.
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And in order to bring someone to Christ, an invitation HAS TO BE MADE at some point. If there's no invitation to receive Christ, then true "evangelism" hasn't taken place.
Posted by: champ
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Champ, I don't want you to feel left out. I would ask you to invert, but it is to hard see previous post and am not sure if you are into it any way it is very kinky. I would ask you to convert, but I am not sure what you should convert to. Would this be evangelizing??
The Texican.
Tex - that's a side-splitter!
Invert defined:
1) to turn inside out (ok, that sounds painful)
2) upside down (I like the view the way it is)
3) or in an opposite direction (not interested)
Ya - I would have to say that "inverting" is not for me, but thanks for asking!
DaveyFreak, many people claim to hold the truth, as you do. How do you know what the truth is?
Research, evidence, experience and lets say revelation. So why do you continue to attack ANY religious group as being fantasy filled people? They can make any claim they want if you disagree, than show them your arguments.
I say investigate the truth claims from the other side, not just from the side that you want to be true, or else YOU sound just like the Islamic extremist.
There is room here for all of us to respond to the threat of Islam, without the use of such profane language and extreme name calling that you have been using.
Why the truth must be told
People who are ashamed of their own culture will not defend it.
That is why telling the truth about the Crusades, Christianity, and the West in not a matter of cultural cheerleading or religious apologetics. It is an essential element of the defense of the West against today’s global jihad.
Page 178-179 of the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades.
Hugh, as always, your words resonate with common sense and astute observation. You have convinced this religious and conservative republican long ago, but I can tell you that many people are starting to ask the right questions and President Bush whom I voted for and still support, has lost my trust on these matters as a result of the port deal.
What do you think of Guiliani, for president? He is a social liberal and favors many things that iI do not, but I still remember after 911 he told a Saudi prince that he could shove his money and turned down millions from the people who conduct Da'wa on our culture. He told them they can take their blood money and go home. That is quality which the next President must have in spades.
To all the above posters, as I have said many times, we must all unite to defeat this enemy. This is not a Christian thing only, but we must not attack those who do the right thing out of their Christian faith.
I t is logical that those on this site who have strong Christian beliefs will approach the Jihadist threat based on these beliefs. I have never advocated that this struggle is just between Christianity and Islam, even though my world view has strong Christian underpinnings and even though our Global culture of freedom and human has the foundational support of the West's Christian heritage.
I have said time and again that even though we have been weakened by the left and multicultural though, and Islam has taken advantage of this (think Demographics and birth control), we should realize that our fellow ant-Jihadists will find their inspiration in non-religious ideals. I respect that and welcome them to the fight. but I object to any attacks on those who have conservative beliefs.
We must not push our individual religious beliefs on those who do not believe and respect their point of view.
There must be mutual respect and solidarity. We are all in danger of Sharia and as such we must put aside our differences and fight together to win
This is why, in terms of this great and ominous threat, We are Danes, American. French. British, Indian, Thai and Filipino. We are all defenders of others rights to be and believe what they want, religious and non religious.
We are the world! and Sharia and Da'wa are the threat to global civilization.
"We must not push our individual religious beliefs on those who do not believe and respect their point of view."
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"This is why, in terms of this great and ominous threat, We are Danes, American. French. British, Indian, Thai and Filipino. We are all defenders of others rights to be and believe what they want, religious and non religious."
Posted by El Cid ..
Well put.
After all this thread had to offer, it goes full circle to the above title of "Islam to rule the world soon", to El Cid and his post.
Your words are stronger than the leader of Iran.
DaveyFreak-
Don't chill out, just kindly expand your horizons. We need your kind, but only if you can keep from generating all these distractions.
FYI: Islam is infinitely more than a mere religion. Once you figure that out you'll be ok (hopefully).