This is not only very effective; it is confusing for many people. After all, these are wonderful fellows; how could they be mixed up in anything unsavory? I have spoken with far too many people from Middle Eastern countries who say the same sort of thing about Hamas and Hizballah -- after all, they run schools and feed little children. What do you mean, they're murderous thugs? "Islamist Extremists Gain Upper Hand in Kashmir Relief Efforts," from Der Spiegel, with thanks to DFS:
Islamic extremists are trying to win over the hearts and minds of earthquake victims in Pakistani Kashmir. Their efforts come at a convenient time for the Pakistani government.The people of Kashmir just call them "the militants," and 25-year-old Mohammed Maqsood is one of them. His beard is dark and long, and his head is covered with a Palestinian scarf. He refuses to shake women's hands, and he never looks directly at their faces when he addresses them.
Men like Maqsood were the first aid workers to arrive in the disaster zone on the morning of Saturday, October 8, when a devastating earthquake struck the Kashmir region. All were well-trained young men, and all were bearded.
They conducted systematic searches for survivors in the rubble of ruined buildings, often digging with their bare hands. In the first two days following the earthquake, the bearded young men seemed to be the only ones with a well-functioning network -- both in Muzaffarabad, the capital of the Pakistani state of Azad Kashmir, and in the completely devastated settlements of Bagh and Balakot. Many local residents owe their lives to these aid workers.
Today Maqsood is the acting director of the Al-Rahmat Trust Camp, a refugee camp for earthquake victims in central Muzaffarabad. Al-Rahmat is loosely translated as "Mercy." It's an open secret that the organization is the civilian wing of a banned guerilla organization, Jaish-e-Mohammed. Jaish-e-Muhammad, or "Army of Muhammad," and its fighters are battling Indian security forces in the Indian section of Kashmir in an effort to "liberate" the Indian-held side of the Kashmir Valley.
"I have spoken with far too many people from Middle Eastern countries who say the same sort of thing about Hamas and Hizballah -- after all, they run schools and feed little children."
Yes, they certainly do, with the very express purpose of ingratiating themselves with their clients and heavily indoctrinating them with hatred of the "other" and inculcating them with a sense of victimization and entitlement at an early age.
Standard tactics for revolutionary warfare. Of course, their goals are not the same as those of revolutionaries in the traditional sense of the word. But their methods must be, if they want to be effective.
Here's Mao:
Mao was probably one of the most ruthless men who ever lived. This has nothing to do with kindness and everything to do with tactics.
Similarly, counterinsurgency specialists argue that troops opposing guerrillas must tread lightly in some respects.
And when they don't, one may be sure the media will play it for all it's worth ... which then feeds back into local attitudes. Witness the response of Iraqis to the pictures of British soldiers beating youths (I believe they had been seized by snatch squads after soldiers came under mortar fire). the incidents were old, but the BBC and others recycled the pictures halfway through last month and relations between British troops and locals worsened as a consequence.
"...they run schools and feed little children." In the "roaring twenties", Al Capone provided milk to school children in Chicago. He knew that if they grew up weak and malnourished they wouldn't be able to stomach his whiskey or work for him when they were grown. Hitler had the Hitler Youth whom he called on to lay down their lives in the defense of Berlin at the end of the war. Stalin likewise, and Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, etc. Remember Hussam Abdo, the retarded 16 year old boy recruited by Hammas to be a suicide bomber? The first soldier killed in Afghanistan was a green beret who was shot by a 14 year old sniper. Saddam Hussein had Ashbal Saddam ("Saddam's Lion Cubs"), a paramilitary force of boys between the ages of 10 and 15 that acted as a conduit to his infamous Saddam Fedayeen units. Muqtada al Sadr has boys as young as 10 years old in his Mahdi army.
Sadly, there is nothing new under the sun......
Luke 17:1) Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. 2)It would be better for that person to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.
And yet the EU, and the United States have poured hundreds of millions of dollars into the palestinians, where did it all go? who got the credit for all that financial support? apparently Hamas did. We can thank the ever corrupt regime of Yassar Arafat and his cronies who quite frankly where more interested in lining their own pockets than helping the naive Palestinian people who have been manipulated into a frenzy of hate of which plays right into hands of the demogogues.
Jihadists winning hearts and minds in Kashmir (and at Yale)
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/
Well I want to add to this that I personally went to a islamist forum under the name Ibrihim to find out one one why are they so hell bent on world domination by any means...
This are the results:
http://forums.revivingislam.com/index.php?showtopic=2283&st=0&#entry10261
As you can all clearly see the moment I argumented using my own christian beliefs I got immediately banned so much for their tolerance, furthermore they changed my username to Abraham figuring probably in their twisted minds that I'm sort of a puertorrican caveman jew...
Oh well...
In times like this is better to remember our boys and girls of the armed forces and what they once fought so hard for and what they are fighting for and will fight for for quite some time to come...
http://www.managedmusic.com/beforeyougo.html
Dunno why but to me the first thought that came was a line from Mark Steyn about the deleterious effects of socialism on a people's will:
"There can be no real freedom when the state is the pusher and the citizens its junkies."
These jihadi beards in axn are pushers. The populace will soon become unwitting junkies (thanks to the junkets, if I may add).
The 'hearts & minds' of Islam: LOL!
Well, if the Jihadi's are winning the hearts & minds, doesn't that mean that we are done then? So we can pull out and tell our bleeding heart-brigades (and our oh so generous polit-props) to keep their money (our money) in the pocket rather than waste it on ungrateful Mohammedans.
Alternatively we could buy some hearts (something the Mohammedans accuse us of anyhow) or other human spare-parts for cold cash, never mind the minds, they may keep the brainwashed matter at home...
The question that comes to mind is why do we even allow such sites to flourish knowing real well the threat they pose...
This people in case you people must know are closely associated with islamicthinkers.org which is the nice organization with the slogans that read "To hell with your freedom of expresion" etc. and "Islam will dominate" (10,000 lbs of sarcams in the nice part) ;)
I was a very young child when I was taken to Kashmir by my parents shortly after Indian independence. We stayed in Srinagar - yes, on a houseboat. I have been back several times since then. It is the most stunningly beautiful place on earth.
Legally all of Kashmir belongs to India. No question about that.
(Morally, the N.W.F.Pr., the west Punjab, the Sind and Baluchistan also belong to India, together with East Bengal. But then, morally, of course, the whole lot belongs to us. The events of 1947, and everything that led up to them, should never have been allowed to happen.)
The existence of Pakistan and Bangladesh just goes to prove what we always knew about mohammedans - they can't live with others. The mohammedan desire to take all of Kashmir is born out of a desire to destroy the Tibetan Bhuddist shrines in Kashmir (already achieved on their side of the line of control); to destroy the Hindu Holy sites in Kashmir (already achieved on their side of the line of control); to ethnically cleanse Kashmir of all Tibetans, Nepalese and Indians (already achieved on their side of the line of control with the number of dead variously estimated at between 130,000 to 250,000 and with mass graves being obvious from the air); and launch an attack into India from a state that they hope will fall to mohammedanism but not to Islamabad (Rawalpindi).
The Indian army has to be given much more encouragement and the USA has to support the Indian Government in rewriting the rules of engagement instead of the constant threats, objections, abuse and bullying that Delhi gets from Washington whenever the subject of Kashmir is raised. If Kashmir is allowed to fall to the tide of mohammedan evil then, and only then, will I begin to think that we will lose this war.
If President Bush pushes for a ceasefire in Kashmir then that will demonstrate that yet again he has no understanding of the mohammedan threat and that the rights of any other peoples but those who practice mohammedanism do not concern him.
The West helps:
-the dirty infidel dogs, they give us the lousy scraps from their fat tables, the Jew-loving bastards... it's about time they paid us back for their pillaging and plundering of our lands, -oh, Allah, how I hate their smug, patronizing faces, they treat us like dirt, and the time will come, when we are strong, that they shall be paid back for this insult!
The jihadists give the exact same help:
-ah, the Lions of Allah have come to rescue us! Allahu akbar! They are great and good and generous and benevolent paragons of virtue and strength and honor! So kind, so noble!
The disconnect:
-It ain't what you do. It ain't even how you do it.
It's who does it.
The infidels can do no right.
The jihadists can do no wrong.
Once that equation sinks in, the light comes on.
They the jihadists also have the advantage of being muslims.No matter what help we non-muslims give them they will always see us as infidels.They will take the help and aid but will still turn on us.It's a waste of funds which could be better used for something else.
It is interesting that there was no mention on this site of the results of the UCI presentation of the Cartoons on their campus in Irvine Ca. The Cartoons were presented by the Campus Republicans club and another group. I was very surprised that the UC system would allow the presentation, as I figured that they would cave to the pressure of the muslim community and student islamic groups. They would normally cite danger and possible violence as a way to squelch non PC speech.
I have been witness to a lot of May Day Marches, Police Brutality rallies, and Pro-illegal immigration rallies in the LA area. It seemed that many of the protestors in Irvine were the core black shirted anarchists that show up to such events. The other half were Muslim activist types. I lot of good shouting, chanting and praying to Mecca, and verbal confrontations were enjoyed by all. I was heartened as there wasnt any apprecable violence. At least the old May Days and the illegal immigration rallies were always good for some good rioting and assaults.
Let the mohammadans take care of themselves the next time the region is smacked by another large trembler!Lets see how much food,money,helos,tents,brave soldiers and medical aide the jihadists can provide.When we see they can't,I'm sure Bush would still be more than happy to help out "our allies in this global war on terror".
Archduke wrote "you are insinuating that every one of those babies will turn out to be jihadists.
and thats just utter crap."
If only we could just ignore the demographics. If only we could 'just leave the kids out of it'. But what about Danish youths wearing t-shirts with '2030 - then we take over'? What about the many islamist references to winning the jihad through demographics? This is hardly a racist phobia when they keep referring to it themselves.
I believe that in an overpopulated world everyone needs to take responsibility for their decision to reproduce, and should have reasons beyond 'it just happened'.
What really annoys me is some ultra-cons stating that 'white women' aren't breeding enough. Crap - europeans and many other 'races' (actually there is no such thing as 'race' anyway) have embraced their responsibilty for limiting numbers. The fact that other groups see this as an opportunity for demographic victory is something we have to face up to and freely discuss. Where government policies pay people (any people) to breed, there should be good reasoning behind such a decision.
As for the 'racist' thinking you ascribe to those raising this issue, you must be unaware that some of the greatest fears of demographic outnumbering by muslims is amongst Israelis. And I would say that on the objectively considered evidence from Islamist statements, Israelis are right to be concerned about this.
Kashmir has to be one of the most shameful legacies of the British empire. I heard from an Indian fellow that when India was being divided up along religious lines, because apparently Muslims are multiculturalists who are no differenet than you and me they just have a different religion and they are very patriot and loyal to whateve country they are citizens of.(please insert sarcasm)
anyways when the country was being divided I heard that most kashmiris wanted to stay with India but the British said they will stay out of it and left it open who was to get it. If they supported the INdians in the first place there would of never been any conflict. Much like Cyprus where they gave turks special privileges just to divide the people so that they could have a precence indefinately.
I remember Bill Clinton travelling around the world a few years ago apologizing to everyone for real and imaginary grievances I would love to see someone from Britain apologize for Kashmir. But if they did I am sure they would apologize to the Muslims.
>>> islamicthinkers.org
pissedoffcanadian -
Well, that's the usual anti-British c--p that most of us have got used to hearing; it hasn't even got the benefit of being correct.
The simple reason why we did not intervene in Kashmir is that the Governments in waiting in both India and Pakistan told us in no uncertain terms not to and appealed to Washington for help in this matter - so right from the start the USA were meddling in the region.
The UK was already struggling to repay an absolutely colossal loan which the USA had advanced to help the UK fight WWII - USA help in both World Wars did not come free; it was only in the late eighties that the UK finally manged to repay the USA everything that had been loaned at which point the UK economy finally took off.
In early 1947 when it seemed as if there might just be a problem with Kashmir (of mohammedan Pakistan's making needless to say) the USA threatened to unilaterally increase the loan repayments (i.e. to bankrupt the UK) and to send more troops to the UK to make sure that the loan was repayed unless we stuck to the timetable in pulling out of the sub-continent.
This threat was successfully used in later years to get us out of most of the former British colonies - the establishment of the Commonwealth was the only way we could fight back, and it worked; the Commonwealth bugs the hell out of Washington to this day, and that is why your Canadian Government stays in it.
Remember, it was the idiot Jinna who absolutely insisted on partition, not us. We never wanted it and we knew that the problems would go on and on. The USA wanted it, however, and they said it would be the easiest and quickest way for the British to leave India and that they (the USA) believed that there would be no bloodshed and no future problems because we were just exagerating the problems in order to hang on in India. They actually said that mohammedans and Hindus had lived in reasonable amity for centuries and that we were lying. Fools.
pissedoffcanadian -
WE DID NOT divide India. We were forced to by the Indians (and the USA, as I outlined above). We tried very hard to stop the partition but in the end we lost. Kashmir began to be a problem ONLY AFTER WE LEFT, because the mohamedan so-called Pakistani Government in Rawalpindi/Islamabad couldn't, or wouldn't, control the mohammedan so-called militants in Kashmir. The breakdown of law and order in the province was forecast by us and rubbished by everyone else (most particularly the USA - see above). The only apologies you will see from us is an apology for leaving Canada obviously unable to educate its young in History and critical thinking and an apology for not standing up to the USA bully boy tactics in the years after WWII.
pissedoffcanadian -
More anti-British, revisionist, PC c--p. Sigh.
WE DID NOT give the Turks special privileges on Cyprus. Simple. That never happened. We are usually accused of having given the Greeks special privileges so that they could oppress the Turks - in other words, exactly the opposite of what you assert. We ruled on Cyprus using the law that we found there. We changed very little.
If the Empire had a fault then that was it. We changed very little, or nothing, in the colonies. We usually paid attention to any previously existing system of law and incorporated it into the administration - even tribal law. Perhaps, in retrospect, that was not the best of ideas but it seemed fair at the time - hindsight is always perfect.
Like I said in another thread, put Mike Brown in charge of administering whatever US aid has been given so far for the earthquake relief.
The earthquake destroyed what the Indians couldn't - several terrorist camps. The earthquake is a better fighter of jihad than we are. It figues - even the earth can't take this shit from Mohammedans any more, and feeling that the infidels can't/won't do anything about it, she decided to take a dump.
Just as the Jihadists made Katrina a Private (despite Katrina doing more damage than Mohammed Atta and his 18 shahids), we should declare the earth a colonel.
face it kids...."god" is punishing both the us and the islamists for your murderous desires.