Muslim gang forces Paris cafe to censor cartoon show

Later the cafe-owners were approached by a group of older youths. "They said they did not approve of what the youngsters had done. But what we were doing was unacceptable, too. They warned us that if we didn't take down the cartoons they would call in the Muslim Brothers who would burn the cafe down," said Marianne. "They kept saying: 'This is our home. You cannot act like this here'," she said.

Translation: We disapprove of the youngsters because they forgot to first demand your submission to islam before they started the violence, that is islamic law. This land is now dar al-islam and if you don't submit we will burn your shop down.

Meanwhile, the local gendarmes were in yet another cultural sensitivity training seminar and unable to respond to the call from the cafe owner.

"We used to give glasses of water to a group of local boys aged between 10 and 12 who played football across the street. On Tuesday a few came in, flung the water on the ground and accused us of being racists..."

Ten to twelve years old, and they're acting with that level of anger and violence?

The question that clearly begs is, what are they being taught at home, and in their mosques? Better yet, what are they witnessing firsthand at home?

And if they're that unhinged at that young age, I hate to think what puberty will unleash. More emotional imbalance, more aggression...

Shinolite:

Sounds to me like the orchestrated violence of Intifada I is now being practiced in France.*

I'm more than a little suspicious that the younger hooligans were acting on the directions of the older ones who let the younger ones do the dirty work as they'd face a lesser legal sanction because of their "tender years". This is also a bit reminiscent of the not so long ago January riots, where the imams got to look like community leaders out there to quell the ostensibly spontaneous violence.

* recall the use of children to throw stones at IDF tanks, who were actually functioning as shields/screens for the rear guard of older rioters with more lethal weapons. Any reaction by the IDF was then perceived as being conducted against mere children, acting spontaneously and out of sheer frustration.

I posted this on another thread but not a recent one so I post it again because I would like you to answer me :

a very interesting article by melanie phillips (a bright british journalist) about america against the jihad:

http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/archives/001654.html

"President George W. Bush is an "aberration," a leader out of sync with his nation's character and no more than a brief nightmare for those who oppose the creation of an "American Middle East." Messrs. Abbasi and Ahmadinejad have concluded that there will be no helicopter as long as George W. Bush is in the White House.

Phillips writes about the "progressive loss of nerve that appears to be gripping America" (but of course her critics go first to England !)

The question is:

Do you have the feeling that it is true (I mean, when you talk to people around you) ?

(as far as France is concerned I will only have a word: SIGH).

I'll bet those thugs would have thought twice if that owner would have pulled a baseball bat out of the kitchen at the first hint of being threatened.

Who do these people think they are? Once the words of "burn down your cafe" was spoken, they should have been beat down.

Violence begets violence and if that's what they seek, then that's what they'll find.

"Phillips writes about the 'progressive loss of nerve that appears to be gripping America'....The question is:

Do you have the feeling that it is true (I mean, when you talk to people around you)?"
-- from a posting above

No. Confusion, a result of the wrong kind of war, being fought for exactly the wrong aim -- a stable nation-state in Iraq, which will somehow -- we are never told how, help constrain the menace of Islam. We are never told, because the "menace of Islam" is not recognized and therefore not mentioned by government officials. For them it is a "war on terror" and that war can be fought, and minds and hearts won, because Muslims all over are just yearning to be free, to earn a day's living, to have all the good things in life, like all people, everywhere, always want. No difference. No real difference between Muslims and non-Muslims. Just a little temporary unpleasantness, a reflection of -- oh, coming to terms with "modernity" or envy over how far the West has pulled ahead or righteous indignation over Israel's "occupation" of "Palestinian" lands, or America's "occupation" of Iraq, or...Fill In Here.

However, the longer this misallocation of resources in tarbaby Iraq continues, the less likely that the next administration will be able to undertake the series of measures that should be undertaken. Political capital is being used up. A failure to state things clearly, so that the explanatory model -- the model provided by the doctrines of Islam -- fits the data already accumulated, and has predictive value (so that what happens in the future will be predictable if one only takes Islam into account, and will not be predictable -- as the events in Iraq proved to be a big surprise -- if Islam is left out of the calculation).

Not a failure of nerve. Just a failure. No one likes failure. No one likes to live in confusion that is generated by one's own government, itself determinedly confused.

Well, I suggest French authorities develop a backbone and start doing something about these roving bands of Muslim terrorists. The sooner Europe realizes what it is dealing with, the sooner progress can be made in fighting the violent spread of the Islamist agenda. Young Muslim gangs are terrorizing people all over Europe - Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, etc. I suggest they jail these trouble makers and/or kick them and there hate-spreading families out.

It is kind of amazing that this has happened to France, the nation that is so, so proud of its language and heritage; but also, I suppose, the nation that gave us the word "naive." You would think that a democratic France would do what is necessary to protect itself, given the depth of the provocation.

France is a sad story, all around. The country can't even accept a non-protective employment law.

The question is, will the cringing fear of mahometan savagery that is so frequently experienced these days by the ordinary French people, and by the Swedes, by the Norwegians, by the Dutch, by the Spanish, by everyone subjected to the predictable result of the eurabian conspiracy; will that fear ever be supplanted by pure, cathartic anger. That will be a good first step. If you are to save your civilization, you must first get angry at those who are extinguishing it.

Instead of offering these younsters glasses of water, the owners should be offering them fire hoses, aimed straight at their middles. When one wants to remove scuz from the front of one's home, business or sidewalks, lots of water and high pressure will do the trick. It is also useful in demotivating machete yielding youngsters and others who attack peaceful citizens screaming allah akbar. They won't know what hit 'em!

"A gang of young Muslims"

Translate - Muslim Gang? Naseem ain't gonna like this!

Well - I hope security was tightened before The Big Reveal; as this attack was VERY predictable.

Fish get caught. We can use cartoons, criticism, and other public expressions as bait to bring these violent bully Muslims out and expose them. Get them on video camera and record the audio. Set the whole thing up so that multiple ideologies and religions are criticized. This will make for a good story.

Those 10-12 year-olds cannot be charged, but they can be exposed and the problem can be brought to police attention. They can be dealt with. And the threats of the older group, the young men, can be recorded, their faces captured on video while they are speaking, and this can be turned over to the police. Then Muslims will begin to realize that there is a major cost associated with their threats and bully tactics.

This news story immediately reminded me of another:
Story One: In March 2006, some Paris Muslim boys playing soccer (football) come into an artsy cafe across the street for free glasses of water, as is their custom. They spot the cartoons about Islam (not Muhammad caricatures) and say it's racist. They throw water on the floor and threaten to have the cafe firebombed.
Story Two: A native Dutch bachelor retires in his neighborhood that used to be all Dutch, but now is mostly immigrants--Turks and Moroccans. He cleans up the neighborhood park and tells the Muslims playing soccer (football) to utilize the trashcan or go back to Turkey. When there was a robbery in the apartment complex, he commented that there were too many foreigners there. On 17 Mar 2005 some Muslims mark his door with a swastika and firebomb his apartment burning the man to death. Just after the explosion, two Muslims catch fire in their car, probably because they lit a cigarette while wearing clothes that had gasoline residue from the firebombing. The media interview 20 Muslim boys playing soccer while spying his apartment and they don't shed a tear for him, and neither does the Turkish lady who said he was a racist merely because he said there were too many immigrants in the neighborhood. If he truly was a racist, he probably would have moved out, I'd say!

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=124676&sid=3bea7c1395232fc1eb80ecc3aa5ccc1a

http://dutchreport.blogspot.com/2005/03/racist-bombing.html

THIS IS WHY I BELIEVE IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT!!!
I am glad we have very few Muslims in my city if they are going to act in this manner.

Cafe's in France implode just naturally, just like the cars and businesses near the banlieu's. This will continue... Whether you call it Jihad or intifadah doesn't matter. Its simply what happens when you allow Mohammedans to infiltrate your country.

There will be no end to that unless the French government (forget about this pathetic, corrupt Chirac & his pretty-boy Villepin government, they won't do it) unleashes the Army and the foreign legion on the Muhammedan- bastards and shoots them up in large numbers.

The greatest tragedy is the lack of alternative: Le Pen cannot be trusted and the lefty, communist bacteria seems to have everyone infected and mentally paralyzed.

Terrible times indeed!

It's tempting to think that a shop-owner can, and should, stand up to a bunch of kids destroying his shop and property. But what should the owners do?

Even in Texas, where the owner might have a shotgun behind the bar, or a pistol under the cash register, the shot will not be the last word in the argument.

Two things will happen to the owner after the body hits the ground.

First, he will have to face the LAW. There will be a police investigation, where the owner has to justify his actions after the fact. That is, when everyone has time to suggest all the alternatives that didn't present themselves in the heat of the moment. The friends and parents of the boy (whether he is 10, or 12, or 25) will all talk about how "nice and peaceful" he was, how angry and violent that selfish owner has always been, and how justice must now be done to him. And the police, being subject to political pressure, and wanting to "do" something will arrest the owner. He will be distracted from his business, and have to siphon cash to pay for his defense. His business will go to hell. His regular customers will offer words of support, and then take their business elsewhere, because they will be intimidated by the thugs that will be hanging around.

Secondly, he will face the the mob. He is dealing with savages. These people are not content to let the police do a fair and impartial job. They will burn the place if they can, just as they threatened to do. And, they will have even greater self-justification. Even if they cannot burn the place, they will break the windows, intimidate employees, maybe beat them, damage or destroy their vehicles, steal whatever they can, and harass vendors and customers. The owner will be lucky if they don't catch him alone, unarmed, out-numbered, and beat him to death. The muslim mob. Just like muslim mobs everywhere else.

It is sad and frightening. When you "war-game" the various scenarios, there is only one good possibility. That is: that you shoot or beat one person and all the rest just leave you alone and go away. That is not likely.

There are plenty of other outcomes, and all of them are bad.

That is why a responsive and responsible government is so important. One that can and will use power, deadly force, to protect each individual. Unfortunately, a long time ago we started telling everyone that they were "equal" and, now, they believe it. In our efforts to right wrongs, some were made more equal than others. We made "victimhood" and "minority" status the path to equality, recognition and advancement. And protection. And, of course, this shop-owner is not of the protected color, religion, national origin, or economic class.

The only hope this shop-owner has is to claim he is a homosexual and that the muslims are targeting him because of that. You laugh? What other reason does French society have to protect him? Their society is "multicultural" just like ours.

If this person takes up arms, he will be standing alone for a long, long time. If he lives.

And the war goes on.

Archimedes wrote in part: "Fish get caught"
Very good comparison. Very good suggestion, and I support it.

VIGILANTE SUPRESSION OF FREE SPEECH CANNOT BE TOLERATED.

The "gang" thing is really quite alarming. Civilized westerners are not "gang"sters. (In a peaceful, civilized society where citizens can depend on law enforcement, one obviously doesn't need to belong to a gang). But one thing that everyone better get used to real fast is the reality that if you stand up to 1 or 2 Muslim thugs, within minutes you could well be facing up to 30 thugs prepared to beat the living crap out of you (via the infidel technology of cell phones). This was well illustrated in an article widely circulated on the web in the aftermath of the Cronulla riots, which described the situation facing cops in Australia merely trying to make routine arrests. How does one deal with that? Form other gangs?? It's not hard to figure out where that scenario leads down the road! Clearly, it would signify the breakdown of civil society, where law enforcement no longer has a monopoly on violence. And equally clearly, that breakdown has already started in the west ( not to mention the world at large), everywhere there is a large influx of Muslims.

But in point of fact, it is not too late in the U.S. to grasp this situation and do something about it. Namely - Stop Muslim immigration! And while the the immigration issue is undoubtedly getting a huge amount of press in recent days, I don't think I've heard any public debate about the importance of limiting MUSLIM immigration in particular.

Maybe unbeknownst to me average American citizens ARE thinking along those lines and that is fueling much of the public outcry about the immigration problem in general but perhaps the average citizen isn't yet capable of pinpointing and articulating and targeting the issue of Muslim immigration in particular in their public statements (obviously for fear of being labeled "racists"). But I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't a great deal of unarticulated anxiety about Muslim immigration fueling some of the recent explosion of public concern about immigration to the US in general. Yes, right now the public concern in the US appears to be focused on Mexican immigration. But it is possible that there is a largely unarticulated subtext, as it were, to the entire immigration debate (which is obviously being fueled from the bottom-up, the whole thing being a grass-roots issue).

In any case, right now, while the immigration issue is front and center in the public consciousness, is obviously the time to bang the drums (and "strike while the iron is hot") about the even more critical issue of Muslim immigration to the US. Because in point of fact, Muslim immigration to the west IS a far more serious concern in the long run than the issue of Mexican immigration to the US.

And so I wonder whether anyone (right now, behind the scenes) is trying to form an alliance with pro-Mexican immigrant groups, to cut them some slack in exchange for them using THEIR influence vis a vis immigration policy and the politicians in their pockets to lobby and work against MUSLIM immigration, in exchange for softening the anti-Mexican immigration forces? And if not, then why not?

France has no 2nd Amendment, so:

Answer one: shotgun with one shell full of rock salt. Aim at those who threaten to burn down your business and fire.

Answer two: shotgun with the second shell full of birdshot. Aim and fire if they return.

Answer three: shotgun with third shell full of a regular big game load. Aim and fire if more thugs come to complain about their injured Muslim Brothers.

Answer four: Call hearse(s)

I was told/warned by a Frenchman while in Paris over 10 years ago that that area of Paris where this story occurred (Belleview ) was a " no-go zone " even for the police and authorities. A tourist going there would be robbed and/or killed. Imagine how it must be even worse now.
I cannot imagine how having zones like this in the capital city of a country, a situation created solely by outsiders to that country (France) is not ringing loud alarm bells in the ENTIRE French population and the authorities. Not just a few as seems to be the case.
Why dont they utilize the army in armoured vehicles to restore some semblence of order ?

BelleVILLE, sorry, not Belleview.

France is gone and a perfect example of the threat that islam is..
http://www.english-france-echos.blogspot.com/

Provoslavni: "NOTE: Before anybody freaks out and demands that I be banned for advocating violence: I'm being sarcastic. After all that's what we'd have if we acted like them. However, I haven't yet seen any non-Muslim groups going around videoing decapitations. But I do wonder how they'd react if we were their mirror image. Just check out the Muslim websites and see how they openly advocate violence and murder to advance the religion of peace."

I for one wasn't offended (I don't think you seriously wanted to go where you appeared to be going with the decapitation idea). But then I think there is a vast difference between a quick bullet to the brain in self-defense as opposed to sawing people's heads off and videotaping it for the purpose of spreading "terror". I am very clear about the fact that a quick bullet to someone's head in self-defense does not in the least make one the moral equivalent of those videotaping decapitations and watching them on endless video loops as a means of getting their rocks off.

I know that. You know that. And the sooner a whole lot of other folks know that, the better equipped we'll be to fight this jihad without getting bogged down in moral confusion around the question of whether our legitimate defense against it somehow makes us the moral equivalent of those who are prosecuting this war and who are not only apparently incapable of seeing us as human beings, but whose bloodlust to exterminate us is actually STIMULATED by the sight of one of the hapless among us getting their heads sawed off on TV.

They kept saying: 'This is our home. You cannot act like this here'

Basic Islamic mindset the world over. It's THEIR home, once they invade the place. THEY call the shots, make the rules. Clear and simple, they cannot, will not, ever, ever, ever, be suitable immigrants to our countries. A lesson learned too late, and many of us still haven't learned this lesson. And some never will. They'll refuse to let this horrifying thought cloud their airy-fairy multiculti fantasyland view of the world. And most of these blind idiots are in government.

Where do they learn this beligerant, hostile attitude is a good question. Many of us know where. It's ingrained in them from day one, whether they attend mosque regularly or not. Afterall, one of their highest leaders says we're the same as excrement and urine. That attitude obviously permeates every one of their brain cells. Just like white supremacists who teach their kids to hate blacks. Makes it so easy to string one up if you've been taught they're less than nothing. Same deal with Islam.

Paris has been scratched off our list of cities to see. I've heard two other people mention that. I wonder if when the tourist dollars dry up France will do something? Or will they just lay down and die?

Before anybody freaks out and demands that I be banned for advocating violence: I'm being sarcastic. - Provoslavni

I'm not freaking out; nothing personal, but to say the least, that attempt at sarcasm could have been executed more carefully and more effectively.

I shudder to think of your initial comment copied and pasted by any number of smear merchants.

the entire concept of a "no go zone" is disgusting to me.

They kept saying: 'This is our home. You cannot act like this here'
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That is what moslems will said if they have become majority or have enough power in your country. I'm not surprise if this is happen in my country Indonesia, because the fact is this is what usually happen in here. But if this is happen in west country where moslems population below 10%, that's so sad.

before this is happen in your country, deport all moslems, don't give a chance for them to build their mosque.

But if this is happen in west country where moslems population below 10%, that's so sad.

Yes, it doesn't take any magical number, any specific percentage nor anywhere near a majority. It just takes the right conditions: a weak, self-loathing government and society in denial.

The greatest tragedy is the lack of alternative: Le Pen cannot be trusted and the lefty, communist bacteria seems to have everyone infected and mentally paralyzed.

Terrible times indeed!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 31, 2006 09:13 PM

Here in lies the problem what do you choose, corrupt multikulti politicians, the extreme right or the communists.

I take the view that this has already tipped from a social problem into war. Once this psychological step can be taken then the rest falls into place.

Other posts have suggested that forms of retaliation equivalent to what we are witnessing here, intimidation, arson, vandalism, bodily harm and maybe even retalitory killing maybe called for.

A wiser person said before me, (maybe someone could tell me who) 'all is fair in love and war' we would do well to examine the experience which led to such a statement in the first place.

Europes best hope stands in the likes of LePen and the other nationalist parties. And before everyone starts moaning about fascism, if these parties had been given more credence in the last 40 years we wouldnt be seeing what we are now.

Europe is reaping the results of its shame and guilt over the WWII, nothing more nothing less. Europe either wakes up now and starts fighting back or dhimitude is a certainty.

Sounds like war to me; shame only one side is fighting.
LePen would be leading France today if he had focused on the real enemy of the French, but he did not, and neither did the BNP in the U.K.
The far right may be the route to go, but what a fu..ing shame that the more mainstream parties, right across the western world, have chosen to avoid facing reality in favour of business as usual, and personal safety.

Km is right, " europe is reaping the results of its shame and guilt over WW2 ".
One idiot mistake, the murder of millions of Jews, is compensated for with a second idiot mistake, not raising a finger as million of moslems take over their societies, not fighting to stop the moslems conquering Europe.
Stupid assho-e Europeans, and ditto for the rest of us in N. America.
When will we close our borders to muslims, as a very small first step.

Btw, i am not suggesting that all Europeans were 'guilty' re WW2, obviously not.

Yes, Km is right. The BNP are the answer. What a fool I've been not to see it.

In more news today, Muslims in pro-Israel demonstration.

After many years of voting for labour, for no other reason than being working class. I also have come to the conclusion the BNP are the only democratic answer, the other answer being a military coop. As muslims dont join our forces, they are strongly patriotic and nationalist also. Yes without the BNP we will all fall deeper into civil unrest and then war. Going down that road only offers up chance of UN intervention and we all know that means dividing our country into Islamic protected jihad strongholds, free to burn our religous buildings to the ground and kill our non muslim population.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm a one-issue voter. Whatever party is the best defense against us groveling at the feet of the most vile ideology on the planet, they have my vote. Everything else is icing on the cake. We're spoiled. We have everything. Roads, schools, clean water, hospitals, etc. Okay, they may not be as perfect as we'd hope. But I'll settle for Pretty Good, versus a life being some sort of 3rd-class citizen, giving my rights and freedoms up to some backward filthy cult. Those roads, schools, clean water and hospitals will be nothing but a distant memory if Islam gets its way. Islam can only produce one thing: backward hellholes. May not happen right away, while it feeds off the blood of the infidel, but it'll turn to hell eventually. Just like the overinflated "Golden Era of Islam". Once it finished sucking off the empires it conquered, once it got all very Islamic, there was nowhere else to go, but backwards and downwards. To Hell.

I have never voted for the extreme right as I am not at all an extremist and rather liberal on many issues. But I might vote for the extreme right in 2007 (my anger is growing and with it my will to vote for Le Pen), because we must face the truth: NO politician will do ANYTHING to stop the process. Society will become more and more violent, France will be more and more islamised, then what ? What will we do ?

Le Pen would have sent the army during the November riots, he said after the riots. When he was asked "but there would have been dead people" he answered "yes, but there will be a lot of dead people anyway so let us try to minimize the casualties and react NOW".

The current governments, left or right, are scared of fighting because there could be some people dead or injured. So they let innocents being beaten, raped or burnt alive every day (cf that young girl, Sohane, who was burnt alive by a young Muslim, in a "cité"; he poured petrol on her and let her burn - and that is no contemporary French tradition).

The government fails to its main mission, its main contract with the citizens = defend the weak, the innocent, the young, the women, the handicapped, and everybody.

The governments, out of fear of blood, will let the situation get worse, and then what ? We will have even more blood. What will the French do when the situation becomes a chaos ? When ALL the cities are dangerous, closed zones ? When "gangs" make law everywhere ?

I don't feel protected by the French State anymore. I don't trust the police. I don't trust the people. I can see there is no will, no courage around. People lower the eyes and pretend they don't know.

We will end up with a police State (like in Morocco), an aparteid in the best case, and in a worse case, with a civil war, and in the worst care, we will end up submitting and disappearing and converting to Islam and regressing 5 centuries back.

If only an extreme right party has the will to restore order, courage and to stop self resentment, if only an extreme right party can protect the innocents, if only an extreme right party can prevent democracy, secularism and freedom of speech from disappearing, then me and a lot of other people will vote for the extreme right, and may I add, "extreme" is just a word. What is "extremism" but the refusal to fight against fascism ? In my view, our socialists and Chirac boys have become more extremist than our Le Pen. I don't care about everything they say about Le Pen. There hasn't been a single crime committed by the Le Pen boys. They have not come down in the streets to beat people. They have not broken shops, they have not threatened. You know what ? Because people who vote for Le Pen are mainly normal people, or poor immigrants or workers who live in the "cités" and cannot go out on evening because it has become too unsound.

Where is this terrifying extreme right one is told about ? The only terrifying things I can see come from the extreme left and from some Muslim maddies. The only things which terrify me is to hear a MP ask for an "anti blasphemy law" and that in France, it is not possible to laugh at a religion, question, discuss a religion, anymore. What terrifies me is the fact that France denies its own past and heritage. What terrifies me is the hidden, hideous growing antisemitism. What terrifies me is anti americanism and pro communism. A lot of things terrify me at the moment, but Le Pen is not one of them, as he only opens his mouth to say the truth and that is why everybody hates him.

someone wrote:
"LePen would be leading France today if he had focused on the real enemy of the French"

I don't know what you are refering to, but Le Pen has been repeating the same things for 30 years = immigration must be more controlled / taxes must be lowered / France identity- history - symbols must be respected / the State must not deal with everything but only with the main things.

Le Pen has focused on the real enemies of France = the communist trade unions, self resentment, reality denial, chaotic immigration and our catastrophic "Education Nationale".

LePen would be leading France today if he had been invited on the radio and on TV more often. But he is not invited, because he would be elected President and a lot of people don't want that for many, many reasons, not all of them are good reasons. I think a lot of people (if not the majority) secretly agree with what Le Pen says.

But we are scared because we all know that if someone tries to "clean" the "cités", or to confront the trade unions - which block all the reforms but only represent 7 % of the workers - well if someone tries to change things, it will be the chaos, and yes there will be dead people and a lot of trouble going on - endless strikes etc.

So people prefer to close their eyes and hope it will change, all suddenly, by miracle. I don't blame people, I understand , that is banal human psychology. But what I find very irritating is that people throw their frustrated aggressiveness against the few ones who dare say what everybody thinks in secret (example: Le Pen, but there are other people who speak up and they are immediately insulted, defamed, called "racist" etc.).

joiesauvage - Laurence Auster at amnation.com/vfr has had several posts questioning whether Le Pen isn't actually an ally of Islam. One of them is here:

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005250.html

'If you are to save your civilization, you must first get angry at those who are extinguishing it.

Posted by: Infidel33'

To save your civilization, you must first love it, and know exactly why you love it. I fear there's an enormous "broken link" in that regard in the Western world.

The link Caroline provided leads to another link of an editorial written in March 2006 by Le Pen in a National Front monthly, Français d'Abord. The following two comments are sufficient to discredit Le Pen in terms of our problem with Islam:

"After the interventions in Afghanistan and in Iraq, there's a need to follow suit with Iran in order to secure the oil supply, to protect Israel and perhaps also to make a war of annihilation against Islam, conforming nicely to the evangelist hawks that dominate American institutions," wrote M. Le Pen.

In the same editorial, M. Le Pen also suggests that the recent international polemic on the Mohammed caricatures is linked to the opposition to Iran. "One must prepare public opinion for a war [against Iran, and] what better way to do this than to manufacture an opportune international polemic on Islam."

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/10032006/202/le-pen-ne-voit-pas-pourquoi-l-iran-ne-devrait.html

Here is another Auster post on the subject of Le Pen: "Has Le Pen surrendered to Islamization?"

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005104.html

We should be careful about reading too much into whether LePen is a supporter of Islam. As I have been watching the sorry state of affairs unfold across Europe and I have been looking at the parties that would probably be most effective, my impression has been that the Nationalist parties have a trend towards Isolationism, criticizm of the military actions that have been taken by the US and socialist economic models.

In my mind this is unfortunate, but all solutions have side effects, these seem pretty banal compared to the thought of the Mohamedans rising to supremacy because of their demographic WMD.

The point is all this turmoil is happening right now not at some theoretical point in the future and it is only going to get worse, the quicker action is taken the less pain there is going to be in the end.

Yes, Km is right. The BNP are the answer. What a fool I've been not to see it.

In more news today, Muslims in pro-Israel demonstration.

Posted by: Interested at April 1, 2006 05:32 AM

The link doesnt work for this so called pro Israel deemonstration, I see no reports in the media, it just sounds like you becomming an appologist for the RoP.

Face facts interested you are at war and your harping on about how bad the nationalists would be stops those who would rather try and protect themselves through democratic means a chance. You would rather just bury your head in the sand until the cars and buildings start burning and the bullets flying.

Your reluctance to realize that you are in a fight to the death is symptomatic of the multikulti fantasy you live in. Your lack of comprehension of the mechanisms behind evolutionary biology will lead you to being the next species that will be consigned to the history books of this planet.

So long dont say we didnt warn you.

Caroline thank you, you definitely make a point.

However, a few remarks:

- I would beware of anything which comes out of the "Agence France Press".
- The media have tried everything to discredit Le Pen. For a long time, he was supposed to be antisemitic (but I have never heard him say anything antisemitic). Now he is a friend of the Muslims. They argue that "many Muslims will vote for Le Pen". Of course, many foreign people, or sons / daughters of immigrants, vote for Le Pen. It is not a scoop. It is not a Muslim thing. Take a cab in Paris and talk to the driver: 50 % chance that he is a Le Pen voter, be he Black, White or Arab, Christian or Muslim, from Asia or Africa. It is basically poor people who vote for Le Pen, although you will find voters from all the social backgrounds. So of course, many Muslims vote for Le Pen, for exactly the same reason as the "Français de souche", i.e: they want order and security.

So it does not surprise me that the media jump on this new argument to discredit Le Pen. He was also accused of being too Christian ! He has been accused of just about everything.

If Le Pen really defends Iran (and before deciding about that I will listen to Le Pen directly when he talks on the radio, because as I said, I don't trust the media anymore), if it is true then yes, it is a serious issue and it really discredits Le Pen.

Anyway, voting for Le Pen, in the current French context, is only a "contestation vote". If I voted for him it would be to tell the traditional parties: "I am fed up with you, you must understand that we ask you to stop being so coward, so corrupt".

Alas, when Le Pen, in 2002, got more votes than the over mediatised Socialist Candidate Lionel Jospin, the French thought it would be a good lesson (same when we voted "NO" to the European Constitution -although I voted yes). But our politicians seem to be unable to understand things as simple as "NON" !!

So maybe they need another little warning in 2007 ? I don't think Le Pen could be elected anyway, but I think France must be shaken a little bit to understand that something goes wrong.

About Philippe de Villiers: he shares common points with Le Pen: he is an outsider, and he dares say that immigration must stop. Villiers is also for lower taxes and less State. Villiers's heroes are the Chouans (people from Vendée who fought against the Revolution armies during the French Reolution) and Le Pen's absolute hero is Jeanne d'Arc, the savior of France.

Villiers has negative points: he is an outsider, but he is more in the system than Le Pen. He is more enclined to play politics and have short term views (just like Sarkozy). He is ambitious, whereas Le Pen does not seem to give a damn about what people think about him.

Villiers is more reassuring than Le Pen, however. He cannot be suspected of links to any dictator whatsoever. He is ruling Vendée (a region of France) brilliantly. By doing so he shows that he can manage. Economically speaking, he is a real "libéral" (meaning in French: in favor of economic freedom, non socialist). And people around Villiers are "clean". No racism at all. Pro Jewish. Definitely not excited about Iran getting the nukes.

Villiers used to get only 5-7 % of the votes but it seems that since Le Pen has got old, and since the November Riots, Villiers has become a new possible political rival for everybody and a new threat to the classic Right. That is why the media have started criticising him, calling him a racist, but less than Le Pen. Some polls show that Villiers is growing in popularity but let us be honest, he is far less popular than Le Pen who has been around warning us for about 30 years (Le Pen fans hate Villiers because they say that Villiers is an opportunist who tries to steal Le Pen's votes).

Villiers would be my absolute choice if he was making more than 5-7 %. His party is likely to grow. People like him will save France, if France can still be saved. As far as Le Pen is concerned, I am only reacting out of irritation. I don't like when a man is defamed, especially when he is courageous enough to say the truth about what concerns the French = the destruction of their identity. I also think that we are in a crisis and that we should not "split the votes". We must send a strong signal to the traditional politicians. Philippe de Villiers is not being fair when he diabolises Le Pen, whereas they share many common ideas. By doing that Villiers shows that he is too coward to admit that Le Pen and he share ideas, he is doing like all the other politicians, i.e. turning Le Pen into an absolute Evil whereas they secretly know that Islamisation of France is the problem, not Le Pen.

To save your civilization, you must first love it, and know exactly why you love it. I fear there's an enormous "broken link" in that regard in the Western world. -- Posted by: Vee

Vee, thanks for sharing that astute observation!

Just to say how far desinformation can go: on the French "moderate" Muslim blogs I visit, September 11 was done by the Americans so that they have a reason to oppress the Arabs. During the recent demonstrations in Paris, where "the youth" came to Paris to beat up some students, Muslim blogs and lefties said that it is Le Pen who sent all the youth to "try to prevent the students from demonstrating".

Denial seems to be everywhere, not only in dhimmis' heads ! When the young Muslims break and steal and aggress, it is the fault of the extreme right, it is a manipulation from the extreme right. Same people claimed that the November riots had been organised by Sarkozy (French Minister of Domestic Affairs and Police). I was having lunch with a Muslim girl and other people at my uni, during the riots, and she said that to me. No need to say I was very grumpy, but what can you answer to those people ? They are so convinced nothing could make them change their mind.

I am tired of manipulation.

There will have to be a revolution in ideas followed by a revolution - that is what it will now take to rescue France from barbarism. Its either that or a military coup. Much the same applies throughout Europe.

David Warren has a good article here

Staring down Shariah

http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/index.php?artID=590

Thgere are others on the site, which are worth reading.

Actually DP11, the revolution is on its way. The socialist party only made 17 % at the last Presidential elections. The trade unions are getting hysterical, because they are dying and they are obliged to over claim, over demand and over demonstrate. The media ostracise anybody who dares speak against the Dogma, they ostracise serious historians, jewish intellectuals, left wing journalists, they defame because they have no argument to oppose them. Anybody but themselves and the official liars (= politicians in office) have become their enemies. It makes a lot of people...

Last desperate movements before death ?

joiesauvage,

Thanks for the insights and coverage from France, I just hope your country can make it. It is only with people like you that it will.

Keep fighting my friend.

Thank you km, I will.

joiesauvage - to echo km, I just want to say that your personal insights into what is happening in France are simply priceless. I read all your comments on a previous thread about the Muslims bashing the leftist protesters and your account of the excuses the lefties made on the blogs after the fact and after reading that (when I had rather naively thought this might suggest the formation of a rift in the "unholy alliance"), I just felt too depressed about the scenario you painted to even respond, even though I found your comments extremely enlightening.

Re your comments about Le Pen and the attempts to vilify him in the press - Auster, prior to the several links I posted, had been trying to defend Le Pen against charges of anti-semitism, basically saying that he hadn't seen any concrete evidence of such and so was withholding judgement so as to not get fooled by character smears without foundation. But your account raises the possibility that he has now bought into an unfounded character smear of a different type - namely the charge that Le Pen is courting the Muslim vote.

I am really far too ignorant about french politics to know what is really going on. From your own account, though, Villiers certainly does sound rather ideal in the sense that he is politically "clean" but at the same time I completely understand the point you are making about "splitting the vote". That was a huge issue in the American election of 2000 when Ralph Nader took a whole lot of votes that would have otherwise gone to Al Gore, thereby handing George Bush the election. Is there a huge political debate in France right now about how to handle this potential splitting of the vote on the right?

In any case, your post has clarified a few things for me and helped me to understand a bit more about French politics. What happens in France in the next few years will obviously be of great interest to Americans and infidels worldwide, that's for sure. Also, you might consider emailing Laurence Auster with your insights into what is happening in France as his posts frequently feature ordinary correspondents, such as yourself, from the heart of "Eurabia". The point you have made about this charge towards Le Pen cozying up with Islam would no doubt have been an important insight to have emailed Auster at the time he was evaluating these charges in his posts and may well have influenced his opinion on this issue.

Hey DP111 ! Thanks to you I discovered someone clever ! That David Warren is my type of guy ! Thank you so much DP111 for having shared this link on Jihad Watch. It pleases me so much to see that very clever people exist !

Hey Caroline, Laurence Auster must know better than me, if he really read the Front National Newspaper ("Français d'Abord") and if in that newspaper Le Pen says that Iran must get the nukes, then it is first hand information as the paper is Le Pen's paper.

My point was simply that in France, the traditional right has kind of betrayed people like me, and now we don't know for whom to vote any more. Voting for Le Pen would just be a way of expressing (legitimate) anger. But Villiers seems to be "cleaner" as you said.

Of course, from oustide, things are always perceived differently. I tend to think, for example, that in the United States there is less censorship than in France.

As for my insights about France, I prefer to warn you that it is not at all the type of things the average Frenchperson will tell you. They will probably tell you that Le Pen is a monster, that Islam is a religion of Peace, that the French are racist and hence the "youth" are right to be angry. They will also tell you that everything is the fault of Bush and Israel and that there should be a new law in France to work 32 hours / week, instead of the exhausting 35 hours we have now !

As far as the alliance between the (extreme) left and the Muslims is concerned, I fear that I am right. As a matter of fact, the Left needs new voters. Minorities, homosexuals, artists, people who live off the State, old communists, young communists, ecologists, the Left takes everything. They are even trying to give the illegal immigrants the right to vote (for whom ? guess !).

Now the hordes of young Muslims who dont vote, who will have them ? The left needs them. It is annoying if the youth decide to just spit at everything. So believe me, there will be many attempts at seducing those new numerous voters.

I have read on a far left blog sentences like: "Even if they have barbaric manners, we don't care. They are fighting for the same reasons as we are. We need to ally them".

What a nice perspective ! An alliance between the extreme left and the radical Muslims... it would look like, let's say, Alien 4, but a bit uglier of course.

Caroline,

"Auster, prior to the several links I posted, had been trying to defend Le Pen against charges of anti-semitism, basically saying that he hadn't seen any concrete evidence of such and so was withholding judgement so as to not get fooled by character smears without foundation."

Actually, that is what makes me trust what Auster says about Le Pen & Iran, as Auster does not sound hysterical and in fact rather fair.

"Is there a huge political debate in France right now about how to handle this potential splitting of the vote on the right?"

There is a lot of dispute between Le Pen's fans and Villiers' fans, each accusing the other of stealing his votes. But if the right is divided into many canditates, it is worse for the left, the left keeps fighting against itself and in 2007 they will once again have too many candidates (but I will not complain !)

I don't have time, this year, to sink into studies about what is going on, but in a few months, when I have finished a task I must complete at the moment, I will have much more time to read and observe and understand better and I will have real insights to give. I also plan to make friend with some people of the famous "cités", as I know some friends who live there and it would not be difficult to go out with them and meet those famous "youth" and smoke a few illegal things with them and understand what they think, "feel the ambiance" as we say. I used to be a journalist (briefly thank God) and it is with good reasons that I have absolutely no trust in the information given by our current journalists, as they mostly are ignorant, politicised, lazy, and full of hatred against anything Christian, American or "Capitalist".

I will study this possible alliance between the extreme left and Islam. I am sure many people will convert to Islam. Of course I hope I am wrong, but it seems so logical: the fanatics always ally each other, the enemies of freedom. During the students demonstrations (which are still on by the way) the youth from the student socialist party (the "UNEF") have broken, threatened, even hit some other students (who wanted to enter the unis they had blocked). They have falsified some students votes. Everybody here knows that a majority of students does not want to demonstrate and does not want to block the universities. A guy I know, from Nanterre (a uni West of Paris) told me today that they are 30 000 students at the uni and 100 students were enough to block everything !

Interestingly enough, the uni where I study is located in one of the "cités" (reputed to be dangerous) and the uni has had no sign of demonstration / blockage whatsoever, because the poor, as we know, want to make it, and they spend their days at the library studying. It is only the spoilt kids who are demonstrating, manipulated by some professional trade unionists and agitators.

joiesauvage: "As for my insights about France, I prefer to warn you that it is not at all the type of things the average Frenchperson will tell you."

Oh yes. That is very clear. But what is also very clear is that the French on the whole have been "muzzled" (which refers to a cover you put over a dog's mouth so he can't bark (or bite)). Which means basically that France is for all practical purposes no longer part of the "free world". Which means that your posts now essentially amount to "dispatches" from behind the enemy lines of Eurabia! But your "dispatches" are precisely the sort of thing that Laurence Auster regularly features at his blog and so I encourage you to follow his posts and to email your insights to him when appropriate.

"As far as the alliance between the (extreme) left and the Muslims is concerned, I fear that I am right."

Yes I fear so too as that same alliance is very strong in the US as well. From what I can see, lefty Americans truly adore Europeans and actually look to them for guidance that their moral positions on things are right and fashionable and acceptable for sophisticated "citizens of the world". John Kerry and his supporters were a clear case of that phenomenon in the last US election. But then, ironically enough, I read somewhere recently (I'll post the link if and when I can recall where I read it) that Europe largely imported its multicultural ethos from the US!

If I weren't tempted to cry about it all I admit I would actually have to laugh at the idea that Europeans got their crazy multiculti-PC ideas from lefties in the US in the first place while simultaneously the advocates of multi-culti PC in the US look across the ocean to the enlightened lefty Euros for moral guidance. Because that would seem to be a textbook example of the blind leading the blind!

So what to do? What can we do but undertake the methodical process of removing the blinders, one by one. Admittedly, the slowness of the process puts me in mind of Vermonters waiting for maple syrup to drip into their buckets each Fall.

Joiesauvage - you made your last post while I was composing mine (I am a very slow poster) and so now we are sort of playing the internet version of what we in the US call "phone tag"!

So you worked as a journalist?! Well it definitely shows is all I can say! Regular blog posting does indeed require a major time commitment and I am very sympathetic to the fact that you have other demands on your time right now. I will merely say that your voice as a French citizen, and trained in journalism moreover!, is extremely valuable to the anti-jihadist cause. I look forward to your posts here as always. :-)

"So what to do? "

Give me a bit of time... I am still young and I am only just starting to realise what is going on, as just a few months ago, I thought that "Islam is a religion of peace". The only thing I can do for the moment is to vote. I have a lot of things to do but it will be ok in a few months, I will have more time and energy to start talking to people one by one and give them a proper information. But same causes leading to same consequences, more and more people realise what is going on. For instance, the ones who have witnessed young blacks and arabs beating up young women, 10 against 1, in the center of Paris and in front of the immobile police, those ones have certainly waken up. They are traumatised in their flesh, and they will never forget it, trust me. And they will speak about it around. Etc Etc. That is how opinions change.

"Yes I fear so too as that same alliance is very strong in the US as well". I believe so too... I used to imagine (naively) that the US was a land of Reason and that there was no anti american there, I was so wrong lol ! I now even tend to think that the US far left is worse than ours. Because the Americans who hate America seem to truly hate her, whereas the French still adore their culture (I mean, camembert, red wine and those stuff), even when they sing the "Internationale".

Actually, Europe created the idea of communism. It was imported in the US. The US, as usual, made it huger. The US produced a lot of "sociologists" for instance, in the 60s and 70s, which are now studied / read by the French students. The US sent the lefty ideology back to Europe in its new vigor. The US invented the multi culti PC (and because of it I will never be able to say that the USA is the land of "Reason" anymore lol) As if in France we needed PC ! We already had communism, thank you ! No that was definitely not a good invention. Now we have the fashion of trials. Yes people start suing each other for just about everything. And people are getting fat but that's another story lol ! I suggest we teach the Americans how to eat, and they teach us how to work.

When I see what Clinton declares, frankly, he is no better than our most zealous socialists.

So let us say that stupidity is stupidity everywhere and that the US like France has its lefties and liars and manipulators and naive people and coward people and all that.

If you want to have more echoes from France, try:

http://en.france-echos.com/

France Echos is one of those totally rebellious web sites, they have been forbidden but managed to survive I don't know how, they are funny (at least in French) and totally irrespectuous of our politicians, of the imams, of Islam and especially they give a precious information. They are a good laugh because they are so utterly insolent.

"the slowness of the process " you said... think that 1 person talks to 10 persons, that each of those 10 persons talk to 10 other persons etc etc. It is an exponential function isn't it ?

Caroline;
Thanks, I'm glad you saw that my rant was a sarcastic attempt to sound like the thugs who were threatening the bar. But since sarcasm doesn't always come across well, I'm happy to see it removed. There needs to be some symbol designating a sarcastic tone or something that's written tongue in cheek.

Joie

Your reports from the front line could be very important in the next few months.

People are switching on over here, they are seeing the change occur on Europes street.

The mob can only keep their shame hidden for so long. Retribution will be swift and devastating.

Km - LOL - you fell hook, line and sinker for my really obvious April Fool's joke, also posted at JW.

Well, BNP supporters are not known for their sense of humour.

Sad that 10-12 year old children are being brainwashed into this cult. France, in my pessimistic opinion is doomed. So is the rest of Eurabia and Londonistan.

But I think the cafe people did well. They used the sheets of paper to good effect. I am sure every one of their clients will have a closer look at those pictures now. Otherwise, those Islam-related cartoons would have been treated similar to the rest and not received the extra attention. Ha ha, talk about shooting yourself in the foot!!