Sharia Alert from Enlightened Secular Turkey. "Once Gabriel promised the Prophet (that he would visit him, but Gabriel did not come) and later on he said, 'We, angels, do not enter a house which contains a picture or a dog.'" (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 54, no. 450)
But killing them? Sure. "Ibn Mughaffal reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) ordered killing of the dogs, and then said: What about them, i. e. about other dogs? and then granted concession (to keep) the dog for hunting and the dog for (the security) of the herd, and said: When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and rub it with earth the eighth time." (Sahih Muslim, bk. 2, no. 551)
"Muslims are accused of killing 'unclean' dogs," from the Telegraph, with thanks to Twostellas:
Pro-islamic municipalities in Turkey are killing stray dogs, animal rights groups claim.Municipal workers are hunting, torturing and killing the animals by the hundreds, the campaigners say....
Animal rights campaigners who accompanied Miss Isikalp last week said that at least two of the dogs had been sexually abused.
The mayor of Mamak, Gazi Sahin, of the ruling pro-Islamic Justice and Development Party, has denied responsibility.
Sick.
"Miss Isikalp last week said that at least two of the dogs had been sexually abused.."
The Religion of Peace & Perfection strikes again. I have just embarked upon reading "Sexuality in Islam" by Abdelwahab Bouhdiba ... if you think you can stomach it:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0710096089/104-7998296-1203943?v=glance&n=283155
"The mayor of Mamak, Gazi Sahin, of the ruling pro-Islamic Justice and Development Party, has denied responsibility."
The mayor of Mamak, Gazi Sahin doesn't know what the first syllable of the word responsibility means .. Islam actually is the Religion of Blame and Shame.
Sloppy editing by the Telegraph. Did the mayor deny responsibility for rounding up the animals or did he deny responsibility for molesting them? It's not clear.
chsw
This bizarre Islamic shunning of one of humanity's staunchest and most loyal allies (we might not have survived as a species without their help) betrays a spiritual atrophy / intellectual myopia that is as laughable as it is cruel.
I'd let every dog on the planet lick my face first before I'd let someone who believes 'dogs are unclean' even lick my sole.
Re: "at least two of the dogs had been sexually abused."
I'm speechless. Then again, the perp probably didn't want to marry the pooches.
See "Sudan man forced to 'marry' goat"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4748292.stm
Hey guys this has nothing to do with sexually abused dogs, but I'm not in the least shocked about it.
Anyhow, does anyone know where exactly I can find the comparison of infidels to urine and bile?
No one at work believes me on this one.
Thanks,
Niv
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/001832.html
Sahih Muslim contains the following in Book 10, Chapter 31:
Book 010, Number 3809:
Ibn 'Umar (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger
(may peace be upon him) giving command for killing dogs.
Book 010, Number 3810:
Ibn 'Umar (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Allah's Messenger
(may peace be upon him) ordered to kill dogs, and he sent (men) to the
corners of Medina that they should be killed.
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/04/norway-blind-people-rejected-by-muslim.html
Blind people with their guide dogs are finding it increasingly difficult to get a taxi ride, and not just in the capital. In Oslo, Muslims make up such a high percentage of cab drivers that it can be hard to obtain a taxi during Islamic holidays. Dogs, although considered extremely dirty animals and greatly disliked, are permitted for certain limited uses, such as guarding your property.
This sad, sad story brings back memories of my time spent in Turkey. I despaired then, and still do, over the plight of stray animals there. I can hardly bear to think of the sights I saw and I still feel guilty that I didn't do more to help. I did however rescue a stray kitten from the clutches of my Grade 4 Class, who seemed to be crazed by its presence in the classroom and seemed oblivious to the distress they were causing the kitten by pulling and screaming at it. Many in Turkey have cat phobias, even grown men (a biology teacher I knew, for example). Dogs don't seem to inspire phobias, but there is definitely a cold indifference, or worse, towards them. In the Ankara Zoo there are cages full of different breeds of dogs on display - each one looking lonely and sad. Horses, including the cart ponies, which work in conditions of oppressive heat and roaring traffic, fare no better.
This article is entirely believable. Not long ago I watched on TV the "culling" of the birds in Turkey due to bird flu. Live birds were pushed into sacks and then buried alive. No one seemed to care. And that's the crux: no one (or hardly anyone) does care. There is a shocking lack of empathy there towards other living things. I'm sorry to say it, but that's what I observed, and it bothers me yet.
johnb-
Your 'Sudan man' seems to have mistaken William Blake's "The Proverbs of Hell" for Mohammad's "Recitation" :
"The lust of the goat is the bounty of God." -Proverb 23.
If he had only read a little further (2 more lines) he would have reached the relevant quote for his species:
"The nakedness of woman is the work of God." -Proverb 25.
(Making him pay the dowry to the goat would be funny if they weren't deadly theocratically serious.)
The enormity of the evil that is Islam always amazes me.
I wouldn't trade the life of every moslem for one rat.
Western standards of non-cruelty to animals are the exception, not the rule. Muslims are probably the worst offenders, although they have some competition.
Diversity is strength... it's also cruelty to animals
http://www.vdare.com/walker/060104_diversity.htm
"Dogs, although considered extremely dirty animals and greatly disliked, are permitted for certain limited uses"... such as having a sexual intercourse ?
But I think they only sleep with male dogs, female dogs they probably lapidate.
Niv,
See Grand Ayatollah Sistani's web site:
http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/main/index.php?page=3&lang=eng&part=3
This has a listing of the unclean things you mention plus a lot more. It takes a while to go through the entire site but it is worth it to get an idea of the total regulation of life involved.
Caratacus,
Thanks for the response, I'll have a look.
Niv
"I'd let every dog on the planet lick my face first before I'd let someone who believes 'dogs are unclean' even lick my sole."
Then prepare yourself for hydatids and quite a few other diseases. Dogs can carry diseases. All animals and all humans can carry diseases, and when people let dogs lick their faces they are taking quite a risk, esp if the saliva enters nose/mouth/eyes or broken skin. Dogs sniff and even eat other dogs' faeces. Cats lick their own bottoms. People don't wash their hands thoroughly after the loo. Etc etc. Conclusion: practice basic hygiene around animals and people! Which is why I wouldn't want to lick any part of you, LOL!
I'm no fan of places that let dogs run about uncontrolled, defecating in public and threatening/biting people, and also living starving, unhealthy lives. Stray dogs must be caught and either given to responsible owners or (humanely) put down (unless the whole city wants to pay for their continued kennelling). It's not just islamists who think that stray dogs are a nuisance.
The obvious answer to most of this problem is for dog owners to act responsibly, keeping control of their dogs and never letting them out unsupervised. We're about to introduce compulsory microchipping in NZ, and I applaud this. That way, no dog that has simply lost its way from home will be put down, and irresponsible owners will pay for their stupidity.
Of course taxi drivers should be prepared to carry clean, controlled dogs. Some do seem to be taking it all too far.
l heard it from an angel, perhaps Gabriel himself,, but he said "muslims are unclean" and should be put out of their misery! after reading what they do to animals and dogs espeically, l am not upset when they take themselves out!
What has Ingrid Newkirk been upto lately? Can we get PETA interested in this? Nobody would find more novel ways to demonstrate against this than they would.
Dogs are lovable and loyal. There are stories of dogs who stay at the gravesides of their deceased owners until they died themselves. Love and loyalty, not in the lexicon of islam.
Lili-
Better a flea in my ear than the Caliphate on my ass.
A few year's back, Iran slaughtered millions of dogs, many of them pets not just strays. No one from PETA made a peep.
Of course dogs are not well treated in Muslim countries. However, I think concern for animal welfare is pretty much non-existent outside the West, indeed, I dare to day, outside the English-speaking world. What about China, where bears are "milked" for their bile in the most cruel way imaginable, and cats skinned alive? What about Korea, North and South, where dogs are hanged before eating? And is it Japan, where monkey's brains are eaten while the monkey is still alive?
Animals are, in general, not well-treated outside of the Western world. But surely the ferocity exhibited toward dogs by many Muslims has something to do with Muhammad's stated refusal to enter a house that contained "pictures and dogs" (as noted above). Could it be that the animus was deliberately interpolated into an early Qur'anic text when the Zoroastrians of Sassanian Persia were being conquered, given their great esteeem for gods? Would not denouncing dogs be a further way of belittling and undercutting Zoroastrianism?
In one of her studies, the scholar of Zoroastrianism, who lived with Zoroastrians in Iran, describes small Muslim children deliberately tormenting the dogs of Zoroastrians, and doing so conscious of the affection and esteem in which they were held by these believers in what was, before the Muslim Arab invaders arrived, the religion of most people in Iran.
This is speculation. Perhaps others will find it plausible.
Wasn't there a study done that linked post pubescent children's torturing animals to growing into men like Jeffry Dahmer?
Not that they eat their victims, just kill them?
Maybe that's what helps makes the muslims so ruthless.
In France, Catherine Denueve protested about halal food/killing and was quickly called every name in the book. And threatened.
freewoman~ the site coranix had a picture showing the slaughter of sheep and the exact same slaughter of a person. It's almost like Eid is practice. Ashoura also makes blood flowing seem like a normal thing to the children.
Interested asked, And is it Japan, where monkey's brains are eaten while the monkey is still alive?
The answer is NO. I think you refer to a practice of the Vietnamese.
Mohammed Atta said he didn't want any impure beings at his funeral - especially the most impure of all - dogs or pregnant women. There was nothing left of him to have a funeral with so its a moot point.
"dogs or pregnant women"
S**t, that about sums it up! So much for their great respect for women and motherhood!
Lili you took the words out of my mouth. I guess that means his mom was unclean during her pregnancy with him.
freewoman said,"Wasn't there a study done that linked post pubescent children's torturing animals to growing into men like Jeffry Dahmer?"
Yes, if you have two or all three of the criteria then chances are you will become a serial killer.
1. Torturing animals.
2. Bed wetting.
3. An over domineering woman when you were young.
Hmmm I wonder what the profile is for a hijacker of the "religion of peace" is?
This summer I will be buidling a tall privacy fence round my backyard. My beautiful collies have never tried to escape, but I am afraid for them. At least three times a week I must go outside and chase Muslim women and children away from my fence where they are yelling at my dogs and occasionally poking sticks through the fence, trying to hit the doggies. Now, in order to get close to my fence they must walk accross my lawn and through a wide butterfly garden surrounded by large stones. This makes me so angry - even my dogs aren't safe playing outside by themselves. The article depresses me beyond belief. I really do not understand how people could treat any animal that way.
I hate PETA.
I am a proud carnivore.
I'm a fiscal conservative.
But there is NO REASON to SKIN OR COOK or otherwise bring pain to a living animal. Kill it first. That is ALL I ask. Seriously.
I recently ordered Fur Free materials from HSUS, and plan to put "She Needs Her Fur More Than You Do" on my SUV. What prompted me to do so was watching a video showing a Chinese animal market. I did see dogs and cats in the video, in terrible conditions.
But what REALLY set me off was watching the SKINNING ALIVE of a "Raccoon Dog" (it's neither a dog nor a raccoon). I know this poor creature was alive when it was skinned because IT CONTINUED TO MOVE AND BLINK AFTER HAVING BEEN SKINNED.
There is NO REASON to do this to a LIVE ANIMAL. For that, and for the reason that DOG AND CAT FUR IS SOMETIMES MISLABELED AS OTHER KINDS OF FUR and used in the US clothing industry, I'm now a Fur Free advocate.
One of the best deterrents to Sudden Jihad Syndrome is a pack of large, black dogs.
A hadith terms the black dog "the devil."
In the real world, they're nearly impossible to see at night. A large black dog appearing seemingly out of nowhere is a wonderful advantage to have on your side.
Now if only we could get a video of this happening,do you think after the seal hunt is over in canada some of the American Humane Society will go? I doubt it.
Jim the Kafir
Nothing against fur free, and I hate PETA too, but can't fur be obtained after an animal dies a natural death? Same goes for leather and other non-edible animal based products. Other than that, I agree; while I believe that animals don't have rights the way people do because they do not recognize responsibilities and rights of other animals, it does behove us humans to apply the golden rule while treating them.
Dogs, cats, monkeys, anything whose products are used after it dies naturally should be fine. Or at least kill it humanely - as a non-vegetarian, I'm not one to preach against killing animals altogether (I know, I know, I don't eat cats or monkeys the way I eat chicken or pork)
Dogs are amongst the most gentle, loyal creations of the good Lord. They would gladley give there lives up to protect your children. Ideas like these certainly opens ones eyes up to the ideaologies and mind-set of islam. The religion of peace. What irony.
Infidel Pride-
Cats and dogs were our Stone Age, and Age of Agriculture allies. By their natural valor and loyalty to us, they have removed themslves from the regular realm of animals.
We should show a basic modicum of gratitude for their uncanny help.
Rodents would have obliterated our early harvests without the hunting skills of both of these animal allies. And delayed human civilization from getting a toehold perhaps for vermin-eroded millenia.
The same goes for horses, who shared in the exploring and warring and building of our world. They should also benefit from their ancestors' efforts, and be treated as friends in this upward endeavor.
For human carnivores, other non-ally creatures can be considered 'sacred offerings', in the plainest sense, and treated decently while alive. (They are 'becoming you', when consumed, so why scorn yourself in advance?)
We all meet the same ultimate mystery.
No need to be cruel to other, less-aware beings on the same inscrutable path.
libbysmom:
Too bad you can't borrow a pit bull.
The enormity of the evil that is Islam always amazes me.
You ain't seen nothing yet. These guys are just getting warmed up.
After robbing those three Jewish tribes in Medina (and enriching themselves in the doing), heck, it was only natural that Mohammed and the boys would want to celebrate their miracle by calling for an dog murder orgy. Let off a litttle steam that way.
The enormity of the evil that is Islam always amazes me.
You ain't seen nothing yet. These guys are just getting warmed up.
After robbing those three Jewish tribes in Medina (and enriching themselves in the doing), heck, it was only natural that Mohammed and the boys would want to celebrate the miracle by calling for a good old fashioned orgy of dog murder. Let off a litttle steam that way.
This has been going on for years in Turkey, I have seen many shocking photos of the dogs raped mutilated and dead bodys (often tiny puppys) from Animals Rights.
Animals in non Modern countries usually have absolutly no rights, there is often no animal welafre laws at all. In Modern civilisation stock animals have a few hard fought for rights and cats and dogs and native animals have a lot more.
Whilst most people arnt vego, still they find this religious or just plain backward cruelty intolerable.
Alot of Animals righters are practical enough to recognize this, PETA are the pig power sadly and often get it wrong in the name to total idealism.
I'd have loved to see their marketing and consumer power work against the barbaric and unbeleivable cruelty of live exporting of sheep and cattle in the the Middle East for the Raamadan orgies.
Why didn't PETA support sales of sheep slaughtered here in Australia HALAL style but under our modern welfare standards to the willing market of muslims in Malaysia, who will buy the meat pre slaughtered.
Aussie AR pushes for Aussie slaughtered sheep for sales to muslim lands.
Dogs have always been a part of my life.
They have been incredibly loyal and loving friends to me.
Seriously, my dog is so happy and loving, she would win any "waggy tail" competition anywhere.
My big fear is that she will some day wag her bottom off.
Dogs are one of God's greatest gifts to mankind.
Once again, Islam proves itself to be the antithesis of all that is good.
Jihad against the dog!! Lol.. this is height of caninophobia. No doubt i'll expect PETA guys to err.. "protest" when Turkish PM next visits England.
May be these guys to take a leaf out of my towns local legend.
When I lived in Brussels, Belgium I used to walk my (very friendly) dog by an outdoor Arab Marketplace and I could never understand why all the Arab mothers would shriek and pull their children away quickly whenever I came near.
Now I finally understand; it was a "fear of uncleanliness" that they were teaching to their young. I felt sorry for the kids.
Two immutable laws of the Universe:
#1. Animals dont need rights. They need protection...from us.
2. If 'you are what you eat', means anything at all, those who eat dead animals are in a lot of trouble.
Dogs are unclean...hairy...shed a lot, drool and have various nasty habits. If you are a dog person you learn to live with dog hair on your sweater, and lots of slobber. If you are a dog person it's all worth it. If you are not a dog person, it is insanity. Dogs should not be abused. In spite of their negative attributes, they really are mans best friend...
Is calling Islamic law draconian unfair to Draco?
Fjordman,
"Dogs, although considered extremely dirty animals and greatly disliked, are permitted for certain limited uses, such as guarding your property."
Women, although considered extremely dirty animals and greatly disliked, are permitted for certain limited uses, such as being your property.
Ah .. the nuances of Islam.
Turkey just lost all hope of entering the EU. Most Europeans welcome dogs into restaurants more readily than they welcome small children. Let's hope this shocking story gets some airtime in Eurabia.
Libbysmom, I missed your post on my first visit to this story, but I'm appalled by what you and your dogs have to endure. Do you live in the US? Have you alerted the authorities? Do you own firearms?
I'm afraid that, if I were in your position, I would have inadvertantly made myself a Muzzie target by now. One stick poked at my beloved dog would set me off.
This does not suprise me at all. It simply proves more and more how backwards the Muslim faith is
Know your enemy, I live in a border town in Canada, and frequently go to the U.S. to shop, as I am an American. My neighbourhood has become predominantly Muslim over the past few years, and we have had all sorts of trouble. In fact, I am not at all polite when asking people to leave my dog alone- it is done in a loud voice using impolite language and often accompanied my me waving my cane.
Contacting the authorities would only get me another lecture about needing to be more sensitive to other cultures. It's pretty much the same lecture I got when I tried to report domestic violence against a woman and her children living in a house near us. Cultural differences apparently extend to allowing a Muslim man to beat the living daylights out of his family.
As for shopping in the U.S., I have had problems there, too. I go to Michigan to shop and the city has an enormous Muslim population. I've been in malls wehn groups of Muslim teens have tried to bother me and my service dog takes care of that quickly. A store manage once asked me not to shop in his store, he had a lot of Muslim customers and din't want my dog to offend them. I asked if he really meant that disabled people should not shop at his store, and he changed his mind quickly. It pays to have the ADA on our side.
Thanks for the reply, Libbysmom. And thanks also for the glimpse at the creeping darkness we're all facing. My thoughts are with you and your canine companions...
In Saudi, dogs are very rare and the cats which are very, very numerous are treated with horrible cruelty if somebody gets there hands on them........they are very quick, they have to be and their kittens are very vulnerable to little boys who want some "fun".
Beautiful Barn Owls if caught were tortured by having their eyes gouged out because they have the "evil eye"
Pretty sick way to treat something that is supposedly made by the moon god isn't it.
Dogs have an amazing sence about what humans are like inside--they will smell a scumbag a mile away. A peice of crap such as that goat humper of a prophet of theirs would be hated and attacked on sight . Same with his "angels".You probably all experienced this if you owned dogs at any point in your life. They just get a feeling about scum.
I do own a dog now soo--a dark brown pitbull. True devil dog--compleate sweety so. I would not recomend anyone poking him with sticks on the other hand--you'll be lucky if he finishes you up before I get there.
You are all stupid fools. The basic question here is why are the dogs being killed. The answer is easy and shows how the dogs are actually bringing it upon themselves.
If the dogs had not been seducing and tempting these men, if they had kept their tails down instead of up, then none of this would have happened. These animals created a sexual lusting frenzy and they must be held responsible for their actions.
I see from posts above that cats are treated as cruelly as dogs in these countries. But I thought Mohammed was supposed to be fond of cats? I would have thought cats would be spared the cruelties inflicted on dogs.
"These animals created a sexual lusting frenzy and they must be held responsible for their actions."
Maybe they should be putting burkas on dogs too.
libbysmom,
I have read your story and I offer you my support to you and your dog. When I read these postings about animal cruelity and the Muslim community, it proves that if one is cruel to a animal creature that God has created, cruelity to other humans is not that far behind.
libbysmom and bigcatgirl,
I agree .. I believe that people who are cruel to animals are so estranged from their own instinctual selves as to be extremely dangerous in general ... but, we already knew that, didn't we?
And libbysmom, please know that when you next walk loudly and swing your cane mightily .. you and your guide dog are not alone. You are not alone.
Know Your Enemy:
"Turkey just lost all hope of entering the EU. Most Europeans welcome dogs into restaurants more readily than they welcome small children. Let's hope this shocking story gets some airtime in Eurabia."
Truer words were never spoken.
Would renaming my dog Mohamad be a hate crime? He only wants to make people happy. I had a dog I called her sputnik and had thousands of questions asked about her too.
I read a report by a man and wife who sailed their boat to an islamic country (they didn't say which one), anchored in the harbor and flew the yellow "Q" or quarantine flag from the starboard spreader to let customs officials know they were travelers and were ready for inspection and customs clearance.
When the officer came on board he noticed their small pet dog. He pulled out his pistol, shot and killed the dog right before their eyes. He told them dogs were unclean and not allowed in his country. I never learned what country it was, but reading between the lines I guessed it was either Yemen or Saudi Arabia.
Daisytoo,
Spot on Daisytoo what you have posted. How true you said about the horrors of the animal abuse in the Muslim community. Do not expect a Francis of Asissi to come out of that community.
Photos of the dogs in Turkey:
http://gif.actiezwerfhonden.nl/
Hey there mark 52
"Would renaming my dog Mohamad be a hate crime? "
Yes it most certainly would be - poor doggie :)