Wafa Sultan in her First English Language Interview

Start at 26:15. A better reporter would type out her comments.

(I mean, a better reporter than I.)

For the Arab-Israeli dispute, Dr. Sultan prescribes acceptance, a blossoming of friendships. She did not address the issues of interest on jihadwatch, except to agree that the issue is religion. No discussion of whether the craziness is inherent to Islam as practiced or Islam as it must be. And she is optimistic that in a decade, women in Saudi Arabia will be making public statements like hers. Women will lead the way, etc.

Nice woman, in danger now, may God bless her. Amazing that her first interview would be with a right-wing Israeli outlet.

Maybe all good people who are trying to make a change in the middle east sound unrealistic, given the disaster that Islam has wrought.

"I used to believe Jewish people were not human creatures"

Check out this Iranian Animated Film for Children Promotes Suicide Bombings.

http://sugiero.blogspot.com/2006/03/animated-movie-from-iran-teaching.html

That muslims have been hostages of their own beliefs for 14 centuries is not our problem. The fact that they try to held the rest of the world hostage of their beliefs is the main problem in the world today! The west would have a lot of less problems without these people. They come here and create problems. Things which never have been an issue are all of a sudden major issues. We, in the west, are a lot better off without these people!

We should boycot all muslim/arab-products and refuse to work with muslims neither serve them as customers. I am so very lucky to work in a muslim free environment, but then again my employer is american. I truely love my job!

sugiero

Good thing the Christian God said vengeance is mine – then we could concentrate on other things.

Did anyone see the MEMRI clip, where a woman is teaching a cute little three year old girl to hate Jews and Pepsi Cola [in the Arab world Pepsi is seen as is a Jewish company - the letters for Pepsi when written in Arabic resemble the word for 'Jewish']!!

It never fails to amaze me – the length these people will go to in their organized hate campaigns.

Internationally - we may have to isolate them. And once they see the error of their ways - then they would be able to travel again and be treated normally by the rest of humanity.

Pass it On suggests something which might be the overall best response: an "isolation" or "containment policy" for dealing with Islam.

I am not quite sure what that means yet but "containment" seems to be the best overall response. No? We can't very well go in and kill them all.

Otherwise what is the overall stratgeic vision? Besides raising consciousness about the danger of Islam, what else do we do? Or is raising consciousness the core strategy? And that a multitude of individual responses will arise from that change of awareness?

Lenin's most famous question was "What is to be done?" It is hard to see beyond consciousness raising, though one practical issue should be to prevent Islamic immigration.

One future problem is that a move by corporate board of directors to get cheap labor from, say, Indonesia, will be met with interest by the business wing of the Republican party. Initially, there will be little pushback on such an idea (and in any case, our immigration policy does not address the issue).

I tell folks to read jihadwatch.org and to read Robert's books, starting with The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam.

What if there came to be formed a foundation to distribute that Guide (or something like it); even to send a copy to every address in the American phone books? There'd be quite a bruhaha ("distributing hate material" NOT), and the book might become as important as Upton Sinclair's The Jungle.

Islam cannot stand critical self-analysis. Anyone within or outside Islam must be destroyed for critisizing their false prophet or questioning the Q'uran. This poor woman will be vilified and demonized by the other Muslims for having the courage to speak the truth. They will turn on her like a pack or rats. I'll be surprised if she lives out the year.

Remember, the NYT headline for the Saturday article, by John Broder, concerning the death threats that she has been receiving stated:

For Muslim Who Says Violence Destroys Islam, Violent Threats

I, too, sent a polite email to Mr. Broder, asking why the headline described her as a Muslim, despite the fact that she is an ex-Muslim.

She is a very brave lady, of course. It is sad to think of her getting death threats. I think this interview helps to show where the anger she showed on Al-Jazeera was coming from. I think it was obvious then that she was angry in the particular way that only an "insider" can be: all that sad, sorry waste of lives - the lives of people that she still clearly sees as "her" people.

However, I think she is absurdly optimistic.

In case any have trouble downloading, here is the interview transcribed:

The following interview was broadcast live on Israel National Radio dot com.

Host: Right now I am so deeply honored to welcome an Arab-American psychiatrist from Syria, Dr. Wafa Sultan, who, whose interview on Al-Jazeera I think blew everybody away. Dr. Sultan, welcome to Israel National Radio.

Wafa Sultan: It is my pleasure. Thank you very much for giving me this opportunity to express myself and spread my message.

Host: You know, I had the opportunity to speak to you, Dr. Sultan, before we went on air, and I just want to share this a little bit with the listeners - and I said to her, "I love you." That's what I said. "You have inspired me when I watched your interview - your debate on Al-Jazeera - my soul shook, because you spoke with such clarity, such moral clarity." Why did you go on Al-Jazeera? Why did you agree to do that interview?

Wafa Sultan: Mr Singer, I'm trying to change the mentality of my people. They have been hostages of their own beliefs and teachings for 14 centuries. No hostage can break the walls of his prison and get out by himself. An outsider has to help him escape his prison. I have been asking who the savior is, and answering myself by saying, "It is me." My people are in the middle of nowhere, lost and confused. The humanity's caravan has passed by them, and they're way too far from catching it. By changing their way of thinking, I am changing their behavior and eventually their future.

Host: If you're just tuning in, my guest - and you hear her voice - I love you, I love you, Dr. Sultan -

Wafa Sultan: I love you, too. Thank you.

Host: - her voice is power - ah, she's great. Let me ask you this, Doctor. In Syria - the country that you grew up in - they hate Israel; they hate the Jewish people. You grew up in that world as a Muslim - how did you change?

Wafa Sultan: You know what? They year 1979 was the turning point of my life. I was a medical student at the University of Aleppo in Syria. At that time the Muslim Brotherhood committed very ugly and bloody crimes against innocent Syrian people under the name of their god. I had witnessed the killing of my teacher, Professor Yusuf ???. He was a great human being - who had nothing to do with the government. They filled his body with hundreds of bullets before my eyes while they were screaming, "Allah is great; Allah is great." At that moment, I was traumatized. I had just lost trust in their god and started to question his teaching. This event was the turning point of my life that has led me to the present point.

Host: This takes an enormous amount of courage for you to speak out. And I say to you as I listen to your words, in a place like Syria, where the government controls all the media. I mean, your head was just filled with information that's filtered through an Arab dictatorship that seeks to control the minds of its citizens - and yet you were able to see through that. Do you believe there are many other people in Syria, in other Islamic dictatorships in the Arab world, that feel the way you do?

Wafa Sultan: Of course I do. Most of the reactions from my readers and audience from all over the Islamic world to my writing and to my debates has been very positive and encouraging. You know, Mr. Singer, my task is absolutely not easy, but it is not impossible. It is a million-mile journey, and I strongly believe that I have walked the very first, and hardest, ten miles. It may seem to you, and to others, that it is too hard and too long, but believe me I can assure you that the point I have reached doesn't allow me to make any U-turn. I opened the door for others. Everybody was asking himself, "Who is going to do it?" And I told myself, "It is me."

Host: You know, doctor, I need advice - our people need advice - because the Jewish people were trying so hard to live in peace. You know, Israel's a very tiny, very very small country, and we try so hard to live in peace with our Arab neighbors, but they don't want us to live in peace. Is it a problem of a clash of civilizations that we're living in? Is it Islam? What is the problem? What are we up against?

Wafa Sultan: Do you know what? It is not a clash between civilizations. I strongly believe that everybody at both sides has the right to live in dignity and peace, and every side has to admit this right. Not tolerance but acceptance is the only way to live together. People at both sides have to get to know each other. More avenues should be paved between the two sides at every level of the society and far away from their government. Our Arab governments are corrupted morally and mentally, and they have misled their people, and they played a major role in their suffering. Up to the very very first day I emigrated to the United States I used to believe that Jewish people are not human creatures: they had different features; they had different voices than humans. Unfortunately, this was the way I had been raised. By getting to know and work with them here, in the States, I have discovered how wrong we were. And the more I work with them, the more I believe we are all human beings. You know, Mr. Singer, there is a common saying: "Get to know your enemy in order to be able to fight him." Far from this saying, I would say to both sides, "Get to know your enemy in order to be able to befriend him." Because once you know how much suffering your enemy is going through you would be more compassionate - and eventually more tolerant. Get people at both sides - know each other, communicate with each other, and this is the way to become tolerant and more compassionate.

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Host: You were raised in Syria with a hatred for Jews, and now you care a great deal about the Jewish people. Dr. Wafa Sultan, what did you discover about my people, the Jews?

Wafa Sultan: As I said, the more I work with them more I find out - you know - we are all human beings. There are very very nice people. The first experience in the medical field was with a Jewish doctor. We were four Muslim doctor-women in his program, and he treated us very well - very nice too. My experience is great. So I have to break this taboo and tell my people the truth.

Host: You know, yesterday I did a very powerful program with the woman who asked me to send her love to you, Nonie Darwish, an Egyptian Arab, who feels just the way you do - and cares about you a great deal. And there were many many Muslims in Bradley University, in Peoria, Illinois - women - who came over to us after the program, with the scarves over their heads, and they were so happy. It seems that Muslim women - Islamic women - they want to hear your voice. They want to hear this other side. What is your message to women in the Arab world - who, I would imagine, are deeply oppressed?

Wafa Sultan: I would like to tell every woman in the Islamic world, "You are the true leader. Our people are going nowhere if you didn't get in the driver's seat and to drive our new generation safely to their destination. You are by your nature more flexible; you are more adherent to your cause and issue." I would like to tell every woman: "The men have proved nothing but their failure. By keeping you out of the big picture, they misled us, and they took us from disaster to another." I would like to tell every woman: "Believe in yourself and to play your role. Mother Nature has given you the ability to conceive and give birth to life and, I am sure, has also armed you with the skills to preserve and improve this life. You are by every means a peaceful creature and by practicing your natural skills and playing your natural role, you will be able to lead your divided and broken world to peaceful and better life." This is my message to every woman in the Islamic world.

Host: I just want to share this with the listeners - if you want to watch my guest, Dr. Wafa Sultan, psychiatrist on Al-Jazeera, go to MEMRI dot org - it's M-E-M-R-I dot org - and you can click and watch it, and it will shake your world. Dr. Sultan - we only have a few moments left - a question for you: Are you optimistic about the future?

Wafa Sultan: Yes. Absolutely, I am -

Host: Why?

Wafa Sultan: - the bright future I'm hoping for is not too far away. Let me tell you something, what I am saying right now is Saudi women will say it in ten years at maximum from now. She will say it not from her home in the States but from her home in Saudi Arabia. To this point I am optimistic.

Host: I want to - just a final question - you're a psychiatrist, but the psychiatry is not playing a role here, I don't think. This is about a teaching of contempt in Islam. I mean the problem is rooted in religion. Do you agree with that?

Wafa Sultan: Yes, absolutely I do.

Host: I mean you can take the whole - all these studies on psychology - this is not about psychology - people are just raised with a teaching of hatred, and that's what happens, and I pray, I pray, that your voice will be heard -

Wafa Sultan: I pray, too.

Host: - I know I'm speaking - ha, ha, she's wonderful. I want to keep you on but I know you're so exhausted. Dr. Wafa Sultan, it is an honor to have you here on Israel National Radio. May God bless you, and continue to strengthen you, so that your voice of morality will be heard. Thank you so much for joining us.

Wafa Sultan: It is my pleasure. Thank you.

PRCS, Islam is like the Hotel California; "you can check out, but you can never leave". According to Islamic law and practice, once a Muslim, always a Muslim. Questioning Islam, criticising their false prophet, leaving Islam, etc., are all capital offenses and are punishable by death. By calling her a Muslim the media is tacitly agreeing with the Mohammedans.

OT

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Bohemond_1069: Islam is like the Hotel California; "you can check out, but you can never leave".

gandalf at Up Pompeii has an interesting article on the mad rush to dhimmification by the New labour government in the UK.

SHARIA LAW/IRANIAN BUNKERS AND SANCTION BUSTING

http://uppompeii.blogspot.com/

The articles at Up Pompeii refer to

1. Iranian leadership hunkering down in bunkers.

2. The British government granting a visa to the Sudanese general responsible for the massacres in Darfur, so that he get medical treatment.

3. Gordon Brown's boost for Sharia compliant banks in the UK.

Each of this bit of information comes from three different papers in the UK.

Boehemond_1069,

"According to Islamic law and practice, once a Muslim, always a Muslim. Questioning Islam, criticising their false prophet, leaving Islam, etc., are all capital offenses and are punishable by death."

Of course, after leaving, those rules lose effectiveness with every mile put between former Muslims and the ME. There are exceptions, but she's safer in Cerritos than in Damascus.

"By calling her a Muslim the media is tacitly agreeing with the Mohammedans."

I suspect the 'journalist' hasn't a clue.

Here's his contact info. Let's see what he says.

http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html

The "once in, always in" philosophy is the same as the gangs, such as MS-13. Apparently they have a lot in common with Islam.

Raw Data,

How would you suggest we isolate them when a large portion of the world's oil is in the Arabic lands?

And not all the world's Muslims are in Arabia and surrounding areas (Persia, Afghanistan Pakistan, Africa), either. Are we going to isolate Indonesia and Malaysia as well?

Bohemond I think that the interviewer might just not have known about her conversion, what I saw was just that he watched her interview with Al Jazeera which does not mention her conversion.

DP111 what I find most disgraceful is that while Sudanese Officials responsible for the worst crimes against Africans Today are granted sanctuary and medical treatment in Britian, Britain just happens to be a closed zone to IDF Soldiers and Officers according, Israeli Officers and Soldiers are strongly advised by the government not to ever enter Britain because they would be arrested as soon as they left the aircraft.

It seems like British Morality and common sense is a myth like Tristan and Isolde, or Gawain and the Green Knight.

I fisked the Times but good here:
http://infidelphialive.blogspot.com/2006/03/time-for-two-fisted-fisking.html

Pass it On said:
"Did anyone see the MEMRI clip, where a woman is teaching a cute little three year old girl to hate Jews and Pepsi Cola [in the Arab world Pepsi is seen as is a Jewish company - the letters for Pepsi when written in Arabic resemble the word for 'Jewish']!!

Internationally - we may have to isolate them. And once they see the error of their ways - then they would be able to travel again and be treated normally by the rest of humanity. "

No, I haven´t seen that clip. Do know what number it is, at Memri?

Did que see the quotation on my page about what Churchill said a hundred years ago? Part of it says:

"It has already spread throughout Central Africa,
raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is
sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had
vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the
civilisation of ancient Rome."

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The Norwich Reform Church where Dr Clifford is pastor. Some interesting articles on Islam. Other things with which I am not in complete agreement. But "We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately"

Not to steal Wafa Sultan's thunder . . .but she is in good company:

Legal activist Ghada Jawsheer, challenges Islam on a TV program in Bahrain.

Note: Scroll down to feature video: "Very short lesson about real islam."

Sugiero, I don't know the exact number, but as I recall, it was a Saudi television show for women. I saw it about 5 years ago. Absolutely revolting. In fact that was the first time I'd heard about Memri, and that was the very first video I saw on Memri.