World Medical Association: Let Them Starve

I would be careful about following all UN directives. After all, they have been so effective in responsibly handling the humanitarian crisis of Darfur, southern Sudan, and Rwanda.

If a depressed person were trying to jump out of a window, we'd interfere because it's not right to stand by when someone tries to kill (even one's self). The medical associations are confused ethically. One does not have a right to kill oneself. This is an ethical principle not understood by suicide bombers, nor by ethical relativists in the West. It's an act of love to force feed. What about the rights of an objectively erroneous conscience? Well, we don't allow human sacrifice. There are limits to the generally valid principle that we should respect another's conscience. When conscience directs one to kill, for example

Let's see:

1) Mentally ill people get to refuse treatment, even if it results in their living on the street because its their civil right, doncha know.

2) Sudan was able to sit on the U.N. Human Rights council because of, well, I dunno know.

3) Saudi Arabia is considered an ally of Western nations because they fund the world-wide jihad against the West. I think. I'm not really sure.

4)Muslims have full civil rights in the West because in their countries religious minorities have none and so we're trying to educate them here so they'll go back home and educate their kinfolk?

5) Rich Muslims fund academic chairs and thinktanks all over the West to fund Islamic studies and rich Westerners don't fund similar chairs to educate people about Western values because, I guess, the Muslim governments don't allow it?

6) All over the West, leftist academics and politicians tell us over and over again how we in the West are the most hateful, barbaric people on earth and how can we stand ourselves and they have all left the hated West to live in Saudi Arabia or Egypt, right? Or, did I miss that mass exodus?

Yup. Somthins wrong with this world. I just ain't sure what.

The humane thing to do would be to deliver a package of 72 pubescent virgins to each Gitmo inmate. That way these poor soliders of Islam wouldn't have to kill themselves to get some.

If you let them kill themselves ( which is against Islamic Law) we would be double criminals... 'permitting someone in our custody to die', and 'causing a Muslim to commit a sin'... these "warcrimes and outrages" would be far harder to answer than mere doing a finesse move and considering the detainees at least "as evidence, which must be maintained in good condition", unless a better legal definition/loophole applies.

If the nose-tube hurts the jihadists beyond the endurance of a Lion of Allah (even though plenty of 98 year old bridge-playing Western retirees 'wear' the same tube, from medical necessity -for years, and feel blessed to have it, so the 'interpretation of the level of pain' may be a bit politically motivated), and if we cannot swab some novocaine on the tube and 'make it better', then our doctors need to just go ahead and knock the guys out first, and give them sufficient pain-killers afterward in their bagged meals.

The U.N. is just playing their familiar game of Waste Time While the World Burns.

Its almost pathological. The "looking away" syndrome. Focus on soothing nonsense. Deny the Caliphate Elephant in every room.

But not for Inshallah very much longer.

The hardcore of this beast is losing its self-restrain.

Time for its deeper heart to show itself.

Or be shown as a fraud.

barbaric method of force-feeding...

Gastric gavage is an excepted method of 'tube' feeding. Gastric lavage is used to retrieve a sample of stomach contents...

It's far more barbaric to allow someone to starve to death...

Let them eat yellow cake.

If these bastards want so badly to kill themselves, I’d much rather let them do it in a prison cell and wither away rather than letting them go free in order to strap bombs to their butts and take out innocent civilians anywhere. Besides, the food could be put to better use feeding someone who’s starving rather than wasting it on lives who don’t respect their own or others.

We are SOOooooo barbaric. If we had an ounce of humnanity in our veins, we'd treat them the way Muslims treat prisoners..........

Chop off their heads.

illustr8trg8tr-

While field courts and speedy firing squads would have made the most sense (this grief over trivia about captured terrorists, saboteurs and spies is never-ending), once we have them alive, it makes exchange-of-hostages sense to keep the 'evidence' handy.

I would also recommend:

1) no Korans,
2) no compasses for Mecca,
3) no clothes but prison pink (orange is too good for them, and insults the Dutch),

4) no books but English-language primers for those who don't speak it, yet, and refresher classes for the rest.

They need to understand our culture.

We know enough about theirs already:

"These guys need to be restrained."

Let them get an education along with the anti-starvation formula.

Maybe they'll have a eureka! or zen moment watching a Three Stooges video or Monty Python "No One Expects the Spanish Inquisition!" skit, in "English Langauge- Humor 101".

Better than letting them stew in 7oo A.D.

(Maybe let them see Britney's, Beyonce's and Alicia Keys' music videos as student prizes for good marks in English? I think we need to remind them of exquisite reality, beyond all the fine words, hallowed dogma and talk of suicidal glory.)

You are criticizing these prisoners for practicing non-violent resistance.

What would you do to Gandhi?

Doctors have an obligation to alleviate suffering and save life particularily when their patient is so disturbed as to wish his own death. One can decide that this constitutes a crisis of mental health of such an obvious degreee that one's duty is to protect the patient from himself, and the Law then allows agressive remedies under the Mental Health Act(UK), including forced admission to hospital, forced drug therapy and forced feeding if necessary.The latter is not "excrutiatingly painful" but certainly eye watering, depending on whether the tube goes up your nose or into the mouth. We all did it to ouselves as med students although most preferred the doing to the receiving. After a while it becomes routine, rather like a sword swallower. I sometimes feel that the holding of religious beliefs that are patently absurd amounts to a socially acceptable form of delusion which in any other context would demand that the sufferer be forcibly restored to mental health. If we decline to so categorise those that live a life impervious to reason then my inclination might be that we let them get on with what could be construed as both generous to the prisoners who depart for their imagined paradise and generous to the rest of the civilised world which is rid of their malign potential.

This is purely a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

You force feed them, someone screams. If they died from starvation, someone screams.

If they're force feeding them, make it juiced pork ribs sliding through those tubes. And let them know it.

jehana-

Stick up mahatma of a tube up his left nostril and feed the fellow's animal inner being, while the outer, non-physical self postured for power.

I admired Mohandas, but 12 million Mahatmas were just as meek before Hitler's SS, and they became humble ash.

Ghandi picked a civilized enemy. The Brits.

Had he opposed Stalin, he would have been lump 2708 on the Kiev Canal project's first mile, -frozen, beaten, starved, and worked-to-death, helpless servant of the Commissar.

So pick your opponents well.

And know those who pick you.

Jehana:

Your thinking processes reveal just how convoluted the Muslim mind has to be to survive intact as a "Muslim" mind in this world. No one here is criticizing the prisoners non-violent resistance. All of us here are criticizing those who would force the U.S. government to stop feeding them. And the reason we are upset about that is because then the prisoners would start to die. Of course, being Muslim, you think dying is no big deal. Well, some of us here actually think that life is precious unlike yourself and your death cult.

The handling of these prisoners is neither a medical issure nor a POW issue. The prisoners are terrorists who should have been interrogated in the field, and summarily hung.

I do not buy the idea that they have "great intelligence value". (If their value is so great, why isn't the war over?) They are primitive barbarians born for hanging.

The Gitmo prisoners' continued existence insults all of us. In fact, it's just another tell-tale of Pr. Bush's many shortcomings as a commander. Actually, that's, "commander".

I want to hurl.

I see a number of commenters have gone all squishy over the hunger strike. I say let them starve - the prisoners can call off the strike any time they desire.

The British had the balls to call the IRA's bluff in 1981 after they let 10 IRA terrorists starve themsleves to death.

http://irelandsown.net/HungerStrikeList.html

"Republican leaders yesterday visited Belfast's Maze prison to tell IRA prisoners that forcing concessions from the British government through the hunger strike was futile."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/3/newsid_2451000/2451503.stm

freewoman: "You force feed them, someone screams. If they died from starvation, someone screams."

Exactly. As the article implies, the force-feeding is being cited as evidence of the barbarity of Gitmo and a reason to close it down. Don't tell me that if we let the prisoners starve, these same protestors won't then point to starving men as evidence of the barbarity of Gitmo. They will, because what they really want is for Gitmo to be shut down. That's their objective. Since as you say, we're damned either way, my own feeling is sure, let them starve themselves, but only provided they have outlived their usefulness in terms of providing information relevant to fighting the jihad.

So even though labeled "medical experts" this is a article and a title to mislead the public.

They are not "medically" concerned or motivated, they are "politically" motivated.

That being the case I don't care if they were 250 taxi drivers, baseball players, or OBGYN's.

"You are criticizing these prisoners for practicing non-violent resistance.
What would you do to Gandhi?"

Elsewhere I have dismantled this Muslim's posts for their disengenuousness. Her subtle skills at taquiya and verisimilitude are very good, and therefore instructive. Here we see another splendid subtle example of clever Muslim dissemblance:

Note the way she equates those heinous barbarian Muslim warriors who are incarcerated at Gitmo for waging terroristic war with the likes of Gandhi? Note the way she deftly attempts to portray a parallelism between their incarceration and that of Gandhi? She can't possibly know the motives for these ploys by those imprisoned al Qaidas at Gitmo. Yet she attempts to confer the same legitimacy on their status, and on their ploys with those of a venerated historical figure.

It's a clever canard -- slyly and evilly crafted to throw us off the scent...

Nice try, Jehana! Another welcome and fantastic specimen of the Muslim mindset.

You are criticizing these prisoners for practicing non-violent resistance.
What would you do to Gandhi?
Posted by: jehana at March 10, 2006 12:19 PM
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Gandhi believed in peaceful means to obtain his goals which is the exact opposite of the cult of Islam.

These prisoners are a no-win situation for America.

Let them starve to death and we are guilty.

Do not let them starve to death and we are guilty.

Would we be any more guilty if we executed each one that is trying to starve themselves to death as an act of attempted murder????????

Are there different levels of guilt when dealing with terrorism???

Is the one that supplies the funds to the terrorists any less guilty than the terrorist that explodes the bombs????

Is the one that provides shelter to the terrorists any less guilty than the terrorist that explodes the bombs???

President Bush has stated that he would consider any nation harboring terrorists to be an enemy. Have you seen American attack on any of these countries except to target specific Al Queda terrorists??? Lots of blustering, but essentially no action so as not to upset our ME allies.

Would someone please explain to me the difference between a ME ally and a ME enemy??? Is there such a thing as a ME ally to America??? I haven't been able to identify a ME country that I would trust my back to.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Remember, email, mail and fax those letters to the misinformed and uninformed.
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm

Well, then, how about intravenous feeding for our Islamic jihadist-prisoners turned-hunger strikers? Not that anyone in the USA I'm aware of asked these allegedly well-meaning folks at the WMA for their "advice" anyway.

The way I look at it this is that this is turnabout and of course as that oft-quoted bromide goes "TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY." Muslims, all too happy to bomb non-Muslims (especially us) in order to shove Islam down their (and our) throats, could do with a taste of their own medicine! Since Muslims feel free to shove Islam down our throats, America can certainly shove food down their throats when they are taken prisoner and hunger strike (especially after they attempted to shove Islam down our throats by declaring war on us... as the Taliban and its fanatical minions DID). Like I say, turnabout is fair play.

5) Rich Muslims fund academic chairs and thinktanks all over the West to fund Islamic studies and rich Westerners don't fund similar chairs to educate people about Western values because, I guess, the Muslim governments don't allow it?

Posted by: Mentat at March 10, 2006 11:31 AM

They have (rich Westerners funded chairs), but their endowments have been subverted/co-opted by PCness.

There has to be some reason they're in Gitmo and not Abu Garib. But, if they don't want to eat, take away their posessions, korans, blankets, cots, water, stationery, mats, shoes and other comfies they may have.

I'm sure if they know they won't have their koran, they'll think twice about starving.

I've worked with prisoners in jail, and my opinion is, these guys (in their mind) are punishing the U.S. for being held by infidels. And they are also getting much "needed" attention.

Nice try, Jehana! Another welcome and fantastic specimen of the Muslim mindset.

Notice that when Muslims have to compare themselves to some universally admired person, they always pick Gandhi or Mother Theresa or Jesus. They never pick a famous Muslim -- and why not? Could it be because there aren't any famous Muslims who represent universal kindness, charity and goodness the way those other folks do? Most admired Muslim "religious" figures like Ali or Khalid bin Al-Walid or Omar bin al-Khattab were bloodthirsty, greedy warriors. And of course, Muhammad the warlord himself, the perfect model for all mankind, who ensured one-fifth of the war-booty for himself. No Gandhis to be found there.

Then there's the fact that Islam encourages racism against non-Muslims. The only charity and goodness that should be offered should be reserved for fellow Muslims only, or for kuffar in a pinch, but only if there's a chance the kuffar can be bribed into converting to Islam. No selfless Mother Theresas found there.

Says it all, really.

Well said Suzan!!

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer:

"The humane thing to do would be to deliver a package of 72 pubescent virgins to each Gitmo inmate. That way these poor soliders of Islam wouldn't have to kill themselves to get some".

I agree completely. and each vigin would be a well endowed, sexually rampant male, each ready to have the Jihadist perform as their bitch.

Ken, you're always the optimist.

Alarmed Pig Farmer, I know; but should it be the case I'm sure Allah will provide plenty lube, then they'll eat like pigs their heart's content as all that performing will make them really hungry.

I agree with Suzan. Mohammed was certainly not an inspiration to the good. He was the epitome of evil - the Adolf Hitler of the 7th century, but even Hitler wasn't a rapist, and didn't take a six year old wife for himself, or see dogs as unclean. Mohammed was paedophile, rapist, despot, tyrant, murderer, thief, blasphemer, heretic, heathen, liar, genocidal maniac and racist all rolled into one.

jehana: What we would 'do to Gandhi' squarely depends on what Gandhi would have done to US.

In the case of Gitmo, the inmates did something Mahatma would NEVER in a million years have done
:they willingly participated in a unilaterally-declared jihad against the people of the United States of America.

Just what is the idea behind keeping these Jihad-freaks in Gitmo?

Why haven't they been hanged or shot as a deterrent for other Mohammedans? Every once in a while they release a few just to see them a few weeks later pop up on some battlefield again...

Why irritate both friend and foe with this indecisive imprisonment of brainwashed shahids? Help them go to Allah asap, use them for target-practice or whatever, just be done with it...

I say let them starve then.

"I am sorry. I would like to feed you, but the UN says its barbaric"

Mohammed was paedophile, rapist, despot, tyrant, murderer, thief, blasphemer, heretic, heathen, liar, genocidal maniac and racist all rolled into one.

And the Arabs fell to their knees in worship of him.

MORE HAND WRINGING MORE APOLOGIES MORE SELF LOATHING MORE MO MO MO

The barren desert gave us Arabs, the Arabs gave us Mohammed, Mohammed gave us Islam, and now Islam gives us the path to a barren soul.

The lack water yields the lack of plant life yields the lack of beauty yields the lack of conscience.

There's a heavy yield of hatred & violence, though.

I think the biggest problem here is that the stuff that is force fed is not halal.

I think that these "heroes" need their own space and let them die the muslim way....i.e. not to be force fed crusader haram barium meals.

The United States is just too kind to the worst types of people (Islamofascists).

Had those terrorists been captured by the Greeks they would have been killed on site which would eliminate the need for a prison camp.

Israel is also soft on the Islamofascists in that regard, I think they should just be executed on the spot, they (the terrorists) are fortunate to be considered humans when they are clearly not.

Cowards are not heroes.

People who intentionally kill innocents are not heroes.

Mentat, you say: "Yup. Somthins wrong with this world. I just ain't sure what."

I couldn't agree more. Psychiatrists will tell you that if you are certain you are the only sane one and everyone else is crazy, then you need serious help. Of course, they have the help for sale, by the 50-minute hour. The "secret" to their help is that they will not try to correct the defect, but will only try to make the patient FEEL better.

On the other hand, a person of superior intellect AND RATIONALITY can study the social environment and conclude, quite rationally, that most of the world is insane. This conclusion would be logically sound, based on exactly the kind of evidence you have presented.

The academy will still insist that our observer is "out of step" and needs some kind of therapy. Upon further inquiry, however, those who would offer the therapy are discovered to be the same people who (1) make excuses for murderers, (2) claim that islam is a peaceful religion, (3) make absurd moral judgments and equations, (4) substitute opinion for fact, (5) assert that truth is relative, and (6) deny the existence of evil.

On the whole, isn't it evident that the world is insane? And, similarly, that these authorities cannot be trusted with its husbandry? I have avoided this conclusion all of my life. I didn't want to be in that category of the truly delusional, but now I don't give a crap what someone might think about me and my conclusions.

Surprisingly, I have discovered I have a lot of smart company.

Apparently Naseem, you've never known a hero.

It usually starts out with your Dad. He works hard, loves your mom(and shows it)he spends quality time with you and your siblings. And he protects you. He doesn't teach you to hate, he doesn't abuse you or let your relatives abuse you. He doesn't beat his wife (and ONLY one wife)and he doesn't tread on her.

Then you have your teachers. They want to HELP you get a good education and get along in life. They don't teach you to hate someone you've probably never even met.

But as you grow older, Naseem, you realize a hero is someone who has tried to do their very best, whether just raising children, helping their neighbor, or even helping people they've never met.

A hero is one who will get in your face and not hide with innocent people in hope of not being found. That is a coward.

I think we should force feed them until they are at least in thier late 90s. Death is too good for them. You do not get into Gitmo by running red lights. These people are the worst of the worst. They have served Satan's agent (also known as old mo)well and can't wait to meet him. I think we should keep them apart as long as possible. Some of these guys are 20-30, they have at least another 50 years to live out a peaceful life, much better than they wish on us.

"I think we should force feed them until they are at least in thier late 90s."
Posted by: Ronin

I would agree if the camp was in Alaska and they were doing hard labor, but Cuba is much too nice and they get way too many privileges.

But since we are not going to put a labor camp in Alaska I think my George Patton summarized my feeling best

(Paraphrasing)
"I am not one for standing a terrorist against the wall and shooting him. I say shoot that ***** before he gets to the wall"

Let’s stop taking prisoners.
Problem solved

Ape usually we are eye to eye on these things but consider this. If they die at the hands of infidels they are martyred. As such, they do earn the hero status Naseem wants them to have. Let them die a slow natural death and no martyrdom, just a long wasted life. I think leaving them there is more of a deterrent. Life with no possibility of parole sort of chokes me all up (laughing at them). I personally would replace the koran with a copy of the Bible just to rub it in but then again I do have a mean streak. It sends a stronger message to let them have them though sort of worship whatever you want you have plenty of time.

A very interesting article,one that gives us an insight on the islamic invasion of Europe and the way some of the european people have started to get organized and protect their nations.
http://www.english-france-echos.blogspot.com

Ronin,
Then we agree. If we weren't bending over backward to accommodate them, then I say keep them alive.

But we are, and they are still considered heroes.

I fully agree with the u.n; we should let these piss-ants starve to death if they want.

Islamisbad

Or talking (UN) about Islamaphobia without talking about all the atrocities committed in the name of Islam - makes you wonder who writes this crap. Send them a letter – make some corrections.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=17718&Cr=racis&Cr1=

Freewoman, I fully agree. Have you ever seen the haunting eyes of a raving lunitic? These so called "heros" as naseem would refer, are cowards indeed. Those wimps would cut the throat of a 3 year old child, but would have reservations in combating (without arms) a 280 pound 6 foot 4 linebacker.

Let them live with each other, develop life long friends and someone will film "Brokeback Mountain Two, riding the trails of Gitmo".

From the blog link above that adela provided:

"At the prosecutor’s office at Gorch-Forck-Wall 15 in Hamburg, an unusual letter was received Monday morning, containing an indictment filed this weekend. The indictment targeted the Quran, charging that the holy book of the Moslems, according to the accuser, is incompatible with the German constitution."

"The indictment is against the 200 verses of 114 suras (ED:chapters) of the Quran that are not compatible with the constitution, including demagoguery, incitement to murder, murder and mutilation, war, acceptance of thievery against infidels, meaning all non-Moslems. Verses are also pointed out where the equal rights of men and women are not upheld and where people of different faiths are oppressed."

"Example: “The unbelievers among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians): They are the vilest of all creatures.” (Sura 98:6)

"According to the indictment that paragraph violates Article 4 of the Constitution and Paragraph 166 of the Penal Code."

Well this will certainly be an interesting case to follow.

I agree Mustang. I wonder how they grow up thinking they are a superior to infidels when they can't even do a one on one fight and then hide behind the burkas and little children. Or drive a vehicle into a crowd. Hmm.

And yes, I've looked into the lunatic eyes of a couple of murderers.

The Quran reported to the Police

By Kent Olsen, correspondent to Jyllands-Posten

A broad alliance of grass-roots movements have gone to the prosecutors of several states to hinder the dissemination of the Quran. According to the indictment, the Quran is not just a religious and historic book, but also a political book, which is incompatible with the constiution

The indictment has been filed in several states, including Hamburg, Niedersachsen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Bayern and probably more.

In several talkshows on German TV, conservative politicians have pointed out that the Quran is incompatible with the German constitution. The Turkish-born writer Serap Cileli said on January 29 this year that “the Quran must be considered a historic document. It is not compatible with our constitution and Human Rights.”

Now the alliance wants the matter tried at the courts.

Potent Political Book

The author of the indictment in Hamburg, Jutta Starke, says that the Quran was reported to the police two or three years ago, but that the report was dismissed on the grounds that it was a book of only historical interest.

“The evenths of the last months have made clear that the Quran isn’t just a historical book, but very much a potent political book, a thing which we document extensively in the indictment,” Jutta Starke says.

She says it is a task of sisyphean dimensions to inform the media, politicians and churches of the true intentions of Islam in the enlightened world of the West.

“We are grateful to Jyllands-Posten that discussions about Islam have now become possible,” says Jutta Starke.

“You suffer for all of Europe and that’s why we find it indecent that Europe hasn’t loudly, in unison, taken a stand for Freedom of Speech against the laws of the Quran.”

The newly elected German-born chairman of the Moslem Central Council of German, Ayyub Axel Köhler, is quoted in the indictment:

“A constitution after the principle of the division of powers into the legislative, the executive and the judicial powers, is nowhere to be found in the Islamic theory of the State. From an Islamic viewpoint, this is obvious, since the laws - the laws of God - in the form of sharia, are already made and thus no legislative power is needed, in that sense of the word. Only Allah is the legislative power"

Muslim Chancellor

A prominent Moslem, Ibrahim El-Zayat, is quoted as saying that he thinks it is possible that “the Federal Chancellor in 2020 is a Moslem, born and raised in Germany, that the Federal Supreme Court has a Moslem judge, and that a Moslem representative will be on the Federal Radio/TV Council to secure the Moslem citizens’ constitutionally guaranteed rights.”

“This land is our land and it is our duty to make positive changes. With the help of Allah, we will make it a paradise on Earth, by making available the Islamic ummah (ED: Islamic community) and all of mankind. Allah doesn’t change the situation of a people till the people have changed the situtation,” El-Zayad is quoted as saying.

Violence against the Infidels

The indictment is against the 200 verses of 114 suras (ED:chapters) of the Quran that are not compatible with the constitution, including demagoguery, incitement to murder, murder and mutilation, war, acceptance of thievery against infidels, meaning all non-Moslems. Verses are also pointed out where the equal rights of men and women are not upheld and where people of different faiths are oppressed.

Example: “The unbelievers among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians): They are the vilest of all creatures.” (Sura 98:6)

According to the indictment that paragraph violates Article 4 of the Constitution and Paragraph 166 of the Penal Code.

http://www.english-france-echos.blogspot.com/

Wow, Caroline, maybe the world will begin to ban the koran.

Stock up on ammo they might not like thier book being opened for all. The truth hurts and will be the end of islam.

Also -- "WORLD MEDICAL ASSOCIATION" -- If we aren't already completely convinced of the utter wrongness of supra-national sovereingnty stripping organizations such as this, let this be a warning.

After observing the ineffectiveness of world bodies like the UN to prevent Genocides (largely conducted by Muslims), and world bodies like the IAEA to prevent nuclear proliferation (largely conducted by Muslims), and the EU to attack US dominance in world affairs (largely also a goal of the Muslims), and the "World Court" to administer justice (the preventing of which is also largely a goal of the Muslims in regards to Western Secular Justice -- and never forget that the European nightmare "World Court" is currently and most famously being abused to persecute one man who attempted to stop Islamic Jihad in his country...), why do these ineffective and sometimes altogether malignant organizations still proliferate?

freewoman

Maybe - just maybe!

"Mohammed was paedophile, rapist, despot, tyrant, murderer, thief, blasphemer, heretic, heathen, liar, genocidal maniac and racist all rolled into one."

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 10, 2006 01:13 PM

And to that list of Mohammad's charms may we add

slave-owner, grandiose imperialist, egotist and narcissist, manipulator, misogynist, terrorist, leader of assassins, adulterer, implementer of apartheid (Muslims separate from infidel), and hater of the arts and philosophy.

Are we leaving anything out?

Dear Concerned Citizens - A funny!
_____________________________________________
March 21, 2002

The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, D.C

Dear Concerned Citizen:

Thank you for your recent letter roundly criticizing our treatment of the Taliban and ElQaeda detainees currently being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. My Administration takes these matters seriously, and your opinion was heard loud and clear here in Washington.

You'll be pleased to learn that, thanks to the concerns of citizens like you, we are creating a new division of the Terrorist Retraining Program, to be called the "Liberals Accept Responsibility for Killers" program, or LARK for short. In accordance with the guidelines of this new program, we have decided to place one terrorist under your personal care.

Your personal detainee has been selected and scheduled for Transportation under heavily-armed guard to your residence next Monday. Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you can just call him "Al") is to be cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your letter of admonishment. It will likely be necessary for you to hire some assistant caretakers.

We will conduct weekly inspections to ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with those you so strongly recommended in your letter.

Ahmed's meal requirements are simple, but we strongly suggest serving meals that do not require utensils, particularly knives and forks. Also, these should be "one-handed" foods; Ahmed will not eat with his left hand since he uses it to wipe himself after purging his bowels (which he will do in your yard) - but look on the bright side... no increase in the toilet paper bill!

He generally bathes quarterly with the change of seasons, assuming that it rains, and he washes his clothes simultaneously. This should help with your water bill.

Also, your new friend has a really bad case of body lice that hasn't been completely remedied. Please heed the large orange notice attached to your detainee's cage: "Does not play well with others."

Although Ahmed is sociopathic and extremely violent, we hope that your sensitivity to what you described as his "attitudinal problem" will help him overcome these character flaws. Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural differences. He will bite you, given the chance, but his rabies test came back negative so not to worry.

We understand that you plan to offer counseling and home schooling. Your adopted terrorist is extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human life with such simple items as a pencil or nail clippers. We do not suggest that you ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga group. He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices from common household products, so you may wish to keep those items locked up, unless (in your opinion) this might offend him.

Ahmed will not wish to interact with your wife or daughters (except sexually) since he views females as a subhuman form of property. However, he will be eager to assist with the education of your sons; have available for their use several copies of the Q'uran.

Oh, and rest assured that he absolutely loves animals, especially cats and dogs. He prefers them roasted, but raw is fine, too, if they aren't more than 2 or 3 days dead.

Thanks again for your letter. We truly appreciate it when folks like you, who know so much, keep us informed of the proper way to do our job. We think this watching over each other's shoulder is such a good way for people to interact that we will be sending a team of federal officials with expertise in
your line of work to your place of business soon, just to help you do your job better.

Don't be concerned that they have the power to close your business, seize your property, and arrest you for any violation of the 4,850,206 federal laws, codes, regulations and rules that apply to your profession. They're really there just to make sure you're doing everything the proper way. That is what you wanted, right? Well, thank you for this opportunity to interact with such a valued member of the citizenry.

You take good care of Ahmed - and remember....we'll be watching.

Cordially,
George W. Bush

Archimedes; you forgot psychopath and pond scum.

...and you forgot "promulgator of the most heinous ideology ever conceived for the torture, demoralizing, and enslavement of human souls and bodies", "serial bodily fluid spiller", and "fiddler", just to name three...

Ooops! That third one was covered in "paedophile" above... My bad.

They're in NYC, so feed them Kosher fare.

Why not? Islam is a second rate cheap imitation of Judaism, so Moslems are second rate cheap imitations of Jews. So eating Kosher will class them up a bit.

Obviosaly the detanies cant stay in getmo for ever.But as long as there there they have to eat.The place and situatioun is a catch 22.It does surve a purpose it allows those of us who can think to see the peaple and groups who are more or less morallyblinde.Ya sure let them gripe for the detanies "rights".I think the pentagon should trie them for crimes the sooner the better.keep the ball moving.And not let this become a tool for the enemies cause.Or maybe the Bush adamin. will let the next pres. decide what to do with it.asspesallie if the next pres is a dem.

Who gives a rat's ass about the World Medical Association. They have no standing on the issue. Why is it that the US has this obsessive need to be liked by every nation state, every NGO and supposed humanitarian organization? Why can't we simply say, "It is none of your damn business." and get on with it? The parable of the boiled frog applies here. The US has gradually succumbed to a foreign policy of reaching decisions by consensus built on the input from all these wacko, illegitimate and downright evil governments and organizations. No leadership, no vision, no progress.

Alarmed Pig Farmer said

The humane thing to do would be to deliver a package of 72 pubescent virgins to each Gitmo inmate.

Don't you have a prime collection of virgin piglettes (Mo' liked 'em young!) that the U.S. Govt. could purchase at a bulk rate? Put a little lipstick, high heels, and of course a burqa on them, and voila! The jihadists will be in hog heaven! [apologies to our porcine friends, we would never actually put you through this]

Sure, I've been pushing for a volume supply contract over at the Pentagon for 4 1/2 years now.

Finally got the big meeting just last week, that's why I was gone from here. Anyway, I go into this conference room looking to pitch 100,000 gallon lots of grade A swine blood to a purchasing agent, but instead there sits this general dude, scowling.

Turned out it was General Abizaid, our Moslem U.S. Army general. He told me I looked like a hillbilly in my overalls and beat me with a stick real bad. I tossed a pint container of pig's blood into his face and ran outta that place.

MORE ISLAM MORE EVIL MORE KORANIC HATRED MORE ALLAH LA LA LA MORE MO

They're everywhere, I tellya. This whole deal is just like the movie classic Invasion of the Pod People, except that the replacement bodies laying in the pod plants don't have that beatific expression, they're scowling.

Let them eat pork.

I finally understand why you're alarmed!

So if these guys commit suicide it's our fault? If it's our fault that they die by suicide or it's our fault if they receive a USMC issue M16 round to the head, at least the suicide option will save tax dollars.

freewoman: "Wow, Caroline, maybe the world will begin to ban the koran." and Pass It On :"Maybe - just maybe!"

I doubt it (just yet). But Jutta Starke is quite clever in putting the Koran "on trial" in this way. As she points out, "it is a task of sisyphean dimensions to inform the media, politicians and churches of the true intentions of Islam in the enlightened world of the West."

Whatever the outcome, what better way to accomplish precisely that aim than indicting the Koran as a MEANS of informing the public? Definitely a case we should follow.

"World Medical Association" -- They sound like a bunch of Islamophobophobes to me...

If the Koran isn't an incitement to dogmatic violence, religious extremism, misogyny, pedophilia, and isn't for overthrowing all secular law in Earth, then the Muslim defense team will have no problem in taking the side of the Koran "on trial".

The more infidels hear about Islam, however, the more explaining Muslims have to do.

The Sura Untranslatability Fan Dance, seems to be all they've come up with, so far.

After a while, though, you get tired of one more layer of veils.

Let the Koran be naked in the public square.

Let it fight for the approval of free minds positively.

And not merely negatively though the backdoor methods of: accusing your opponents of being "racist" or "xenophobic" or "anti-Arab" or "Islamophobic". (Then quickly passing the hat for their certified-victim's sympathy benefits from the p.c. 'chastened' suckers.)

The West is losing its compassion for those who give nothing in return but violence and scorn.

Exposed openly, the Koran will meet its just fate.

profitsbeard: "Exposed openly, the Koran will meet its just fate."

One would surely hope so. Of course even the western system of jurisprudence is merely a close approximation to actual justice. Or at least the closest approximation to justice that mankind has yet managed to devise. "Justice" with a capital "J" means that the innocent are found innocent while the guilty are found guilty. Clearly that's not always the outcome. But still, the western system of jurisprudence is still the closest thing we've yet managed to devise to actually approximating "justice". I hate it when "process" is confused with "justice" though. The Saddam trial is a perfect example. Good lord. The guy is guilty as hell. Is there really a single human being on the planet who doubts that? No. But we are forced now to go through the benighted "process" regardless of whether the outcome is "justice". Something has gone wrong here. Not much we can do about it really. Except recall that the classic jury trial involves 12 ordinary people. Which means it ultimately depends on common sense. The MSNBC poll cited on a previous thread shows 3/4 of 85,000 responders having a negative view of Islam. I am convinced that that number would surely grow beyond 75% as more people understand the facts, as a jury would. In other words, there will be justice where Islam is concerned, as more and more ordinary people are informed of the facts. There will ultimately be a negative verdict. And it WILL be a JUST verdict. It's really just a matter of time. THE most important legal battle in buying the time to prove that case right now, though, is staving off those who are trying like hell to limit our freedom of speech where Islam is concerned. The ACLU and their ilk have completely and utterly failed us at this point. Which means we're not just the jury any longer. We have to be prepared to be the lawyers as well.

I have never understood why we should not let terrorists off themselves, whether it is the IRA or Islam. I have to agree unless facts show me otherwise -- let 'me die with dignity.

http://islamistheproblem.blogspot.com/

When I posted above about the evils of supranational NGOs and insidious supranational bodies which claim "world" jursidiction such as the EU's "World Court", I never dreamed it would be Mr. Milosevic's last day on earth.

I know this man conducted an unsavory campaign against the Muslims -- but I also think the Western World turned a shameful blind eye to the Jihadist enemy he faced. Muslims are serially guilty of ethnic cleansing against non-Muslims, yet fool the first world into thinking that Islam is an "inclusive" religion. Since they have conquered and subsumed so many different races into their wasteland of Islam, this assertion by them seems to be accurate, but only through a cloudy racist lens. Islam may appear "inclusive", but this doesn't bear close scrutiny -- read and listen to what Arabs have to say about blacks and asians and whites in the epicenter of Islam -- Saudi Arabia for example... there are few in the world that can compete with Arabs for racial hatred, or their culture of bigotry and parochialism...)

Milosevic was persecuted in the so-called World Court until his untimely death. While there may have been crimes committed, the larger picture may reveal that desperate times required desperate measures...

I think the West is guilty of judging this man too harshly and too quickly.

RE: I do not buy the idea that they have "great intelligence value". (If their value is so great, why isn't the war over?) They are primitive barbarians born for hanging.

The MSM doesn't know what intelligence is gained, but several books have been written.

Those in Gitmo are the worst of the worst and many plots and important info has been obtained.

Naseem,
yes, spead up their death's
then barry them with a pig
Posted by: patriot2 at March 10, 2006 01:52 PM
sorry,i forgot,i meant to say a virgin pig
Posted by: patriot2 at March 10, 2006 01:58 PM
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This sounds very intriguing... If possible, in mixed company (you know how Muslims are) please explain just what will Barry do with the virgin pigs and Muslims??? Is this male virign pigs and male mulsims kinky stuff???

This may just make 'em squeal.

The Texican.

The Koran willnot be put on trail for one reason that the West will be in danger of loseing the case and the turth about the Prophet of Islam will come out. Afew judges I know say if the Koran was put on trail then how the west start than offence crusade against Islam can be allow as evidence against the west, the attack against the Prophet of Islam will be declare libel and slander against than hormable Prophet.

I than also very angergy at those people who try to stop that suffering woman from dieing of natural cause in Florade finarly the Sente leader say passing the law to allow the federal courts hear right to die cases was supid. In Texas the right to die law allow for instanding hearing before a judge
if than doctor or other person want to block than person who is ill or his or her closest kin from extrordinate effort to keep then alife. Only about 1% of request are granted. Many judge consider it than person is haveing mulpire hearth attack each day curel and unusaly pruminent for the parient so they rule let God or nature take it couse.

Than stories it very sad. Than judge it very bad for instanding such a supid supid way! With than I do agree!

But if than making some kind a treat against the West in than first post???

When than says " if the Koran was put on trail then how the west start than offence crusade against Islam can be allow as evidence against the west," is than making a treat?

Sounds to me like than are. Than are saying if we critize than hormable "Prophet" (are than meaning "horrible" of "honorable"? big difference, than...!) than is the same as "attack against the Prophet of Islam" or "crusade" and than is same as war against Islam? Why so insensate?????

If so, than sound like one radical moslim! Why than moslim haveing mulpire hearth attack each day evry time we say "boo" about than moslim "Prophet"? Than seems as if than prophet is extrordinately weak!

jsla - LOL! Admit it. You've been studying babblefish in your spare time.

Strange thing is -- I understand every bit of it... and scarier still -- I can write in the same language! I LOVE it!

DefenderofIslam knows he's my favorite Muslim -- and i mean it!

Let them starve! In fact let all the muslims starve..., withdraw aid from the palestinians. In fact let's WITHDRAW ALL WESTERN AID from all muslim countries. It would really be for the best for all parties involved!