Polygamy alert from the Herald Sun:
MUSLIM men in Australia are trawling "marriage websites" looking for second wives in what Immigration officials say is a growing illegal trade.And Muslim leaders have warned that men who take second wives from overseas face jail or deportation.
A Sunday Herald Sun investigation has found Muslim men are using the internet to attract second wives with promises of financial security.
Immigration officials are investigating a growing number of second marriages and say anyone found to have committed bigamy will be prosecuted.
"Muslims are required to follow the law of the land and since the law of Australia prohibits a second marriage, Islamic law will also prohibit it," Islamic Council of Australia spokesman Mohamad Abdalla said.
Victorian Women's Affairs Minister Mary Delahunty said websites that depicted women as chattels were a disgrace.
"Muslim women must be protected by Australian laws," Ms Delahunty said.
Australian men are among thousands who log on to matrimonial sites such as muslimunions.com and qiran.com to find a spouse.
The Sunday Herald Sun investigation identified 77 married men in Australia who were looking for a second wife.
A reporter registered on the sites, posing as a young Muslim woman from Pakistan, and was able to search through the profiles of potential husbands.
The men, aged between 18 and 60, promised their brides houses and financial security provided they accept male leadership and wear a hijab after the wedding...
OH MY GAWD..this makes me want to puke. I wonder if the men tell the overseas women that they will be second wives. I also wonder if these women are excited to know they take sloppy seconds.
Why don't free countries just admit that islam does not get along and there is no sense in trying to make it work? After a dog bites you a couple of times, if you have any sense at all, you stop trying to pet it.
O/T: Ding dong, the Wicked Witch is Dead! Sami Al-Arian to be deported:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/default.stm
Australia has legislated against culteral practices before, cat and dog consumption is one I know of... this bigamy needs to be legislated against.
I think it is somewhat illegal and its the social security that allow and support it more than the law.
"promises of financial security'.....Of course this would be courtesy of the welfare system and proberly not because the gentlemen in question actually work for a living.
Australia's welfare system, by the way, pays extremely generous family payments, consequently muslims over here breed like crazed rabbits..... evidenced by islamic birth rates that far outstrip those of the rest of the community.
Could this be one of the sites?
http://www.putrid.com/taliban.htm
To be my usual Polyanna-self, couldn't we at least take note that some Muslims are speaking up and condemning this violation? And explicitly acknowledging that secular law trumps Sharia law?
Perhaps I am conflating Islam (the religion) with Moslems (individuals, most of whom are simply trying to make their way in this confusing world). But I am still troubled by the idea/fact that the problem (as many here see it) is Islam itself...that there is no "Unitarian" or "Quaker" or "New England Brahmin" version of Islam -- secular, civil, tolerant, contained. I am not even to the point of disagreeing -- just puzzled and curious.
(Btw I thank everyone for the information overload of advice several posts back.)
And hey! as I said, I can be unrealistically upbeat at times.
"promised their brides houses and financial security provided they accept male leadership and wear a hijab after the wedding..."
LOL...you read this stuff coming out of the Muslim world and shake your head because it's so ignorant. But this is real you can't make this stuff up.
After serving a prison sentence -- or possibly before -- those engaging in such activites should be deported. Any and all reasons for keeping up, relentlessly, a policy of deporting of Muslims for doing what, under Islam, is allowed -- so that it becomes clear that in every single clash of Islam with Western laws, customs, and manners, it is Islam that will have to do the yielding, so that it becomes more and more difficult to practice it comme il faut -- will help to limit the appeal, and even the possibility, of living in the West. If this kind of thing can halt and reverse the growth in the Muslim population, the kind of measures that the most advanced, liberal, tolerant, and open society in Central or Eastern Europe, that of Czechoslovakia under Masaryk and Benes, found necessary to implement after World War II, may not be necessary -- at least to the same extent.
The comments made by many christian religious leaders over Easter here in Australia are so stereotypical of the bleeding heart liberalism ilk that they, like not a few of our leaders, are becoming quite out of touch with the views of the Austrlian "everyman".
The average person here is not overwhelmed with information about the Islam problem but he knows a counterfeit coin when he finds one, especially one as parasitic and nonpatriotic as the average Muslim living in Australia. The Cronulla reaction (not "riot") was from everyman responding to the failure of his "leaders" to do something about the problem.
If the muslims wish to start this again then the response will be the same. They can keep making quotes like this and we thank them for telling the truth that we cannot depend upon them in times of war, especially if it be against a Muslim country.
I do not think that these fools have any idea just how precarious is their position in the view of the majority of non bleeding heart liberals here in Australia. I meet everyman everyday and he is very angry with Muslims as a whole and he doesn't care if they are moderate or not. They will NEVER be accepted here until they cease being Muslim Australians and start to be Australian Muslims and never if this is impossible.
Let them boast, sneer, complain or threaten! All it does it awaken us to their true agenda and them to the rewards of the ultimately deserved response.
I say fight fire with fire. They go after our women we go after theirs. i have been going after muslim women lately. Guess what they want us more than non-muslim women want to marry a muslim guy. I find fat ugly women go after muslims men because they are desperate and they know that muslim men will do anything.
mmm..The women I see with muslim men are young gorgeous college age women.
Freewoman,
I would venture to say they are being lured by money. Failing that, they must have the IQ of a Dodo bird.
William...many succumb to the "Omar Sharif(Rudolf Valentino) syndrome" where the exoticism of the "dashing sheikh" arab stereotype, the superficially suave manners, the intake of only small quantities of alcohol (as opposed the the guzzling masses) and the general attraction of being the "one pansy in the daisy patch" serve to overwhelm the overgroped glories of late female adolescence. When you add to the fact that most Faculty of Arts students are are either fully blown or cryptoliberals with an alrerady present addiction for minorities, the result is a foregone conclusion. IQ means only potential not actuality.
Its great to see Austalian issues mentioned on these sites, maybe Aus will defeat the red beast after all.
But these website girls are just potential victims for predators. No doubt these predators dont tell them second wives are not legal in australia where Islamic laws mean NOTHING. Seems we have quite a few Islamic predators in Australias midst already, well, 70 plus is a lot to me.
Pissedoffcanadian said "I say fight fire with fire. They go after our women we go after theirs."
Well the reality is, for small money anyone can have one or two or even a few. Plenty of guys shag them. Not because there great, but cause they are dirt cheap. Ever been to Malayasia, Pakistan or Indonesia? Not many Christian, Budist or Hindu girls for sale in the complex's or Block M..... Just moslem girls..
William the Conceror, Money? These girls just want a LIFE preferably outside a s*ithole, cash in hand is number 2, they are not all gold diggers. Advertise an Islam free life in Aus and I bet you will be killed in the stampede.
But as for money,I refer you to "nikka", islamic marriage is all about money, not concercrating the marriage with sex. No dowery money paid, marriage is void. Don't belive me, then check any legit moslem marriage book. Love doesnt even come into it.
As for moslem bigamists in Australia, OUT. On the boat back to wherever they or their parents came from!!! Practise your evil in Satans land not ours....
Bye Bye Mo, Abdul And Ahmed. FO.
Yes marriage between men and men is a-ok- but dont dare practice something that was done by Prophets in the Bible. Its far more moral to have one wife and many secret mistresses as is a western norm.
"But as for money,I refer you to "nikka", islamic marriage is all about money, not concercrating the marriage with sex. No dowery money paid, marriage is void. Don't belive me, then check any legit moslem marriage book.
Yes mahr is the wife's right to protect her financially and so cannot be negotiated away.
"Love doesnt even come into it"
Quran (Chapter 30 Verse 21) And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect.
Yes marriage between men and men is a-ok- but dont dare practice something that was done by Prophets in the Bible. Its far more moral to have one wife and many secret mistresses as is a western norm.
How do you know what is the western norm?
I made an account at http://www.qiran.com a few weeks ago, about half the Muslim women I was interested in were fine with me being a right-wing Christian from America and personally, I think a nice half-niqab can be very sexy. :-)
Why not direct them to some of those Russian women websites. The women there are phony, and they'll take the money and run. Then these polygamist boneheads will be left looking like bigger fools than they already are. While I've never been taken in, although many have tried, many other guys have. These Muslim men think they're Allah gift to women. They'll get taken hook line and sucker.
Muslims are required to follow the law of the land
They are not.
Non-Moslem Australians are required to folow Australian law. Moslem Australians are required to follow Islamic law, which trumps Australian law. Australia is required to concede this because Islam is a putative religion and has special needs that must be accommodated.
Muslim women must be protected by Australian laws
Ms. [sic] Delahunty needs to go to a recovery spa and be deprogrammed of her sexism.
Laws proscribing polygamy are intended to protect men, children, and the body politic in addition to the original wife.
And when I say the body politic I'm talking about Mohammed's quick-breed strategy, a form of takeover aggression whereby the squinting shuddering Moslem Man and the Moslem Woman would always outbreed those who would be overrun.
And they always have, and always will.
Is it possible for a Man to be in love with more than one Woman? Help me to understand Guys. If a Man can't settle for just one Woman, than why not stay single and play the field?
It is only a matter of time before American Muslims use the Internet to find wives. I hope our governments both state and federal will have the courage to stop Muslims from practicing Polygamy. Utah could set an example for the rest of the nation by cracking down on the Polygamous marriages currently being practiced there.
Are there any good books about the practice of polygamy within Islam? If so, please post a link to them on the Jihad Watch Books section.
I am only suprised that they are seeking wives overseas. I thought that there were enough silly dizzy ladies here already who are attracted to the exoticness of a mohammedan husband.
Don't tell me....I'll guess at this one....they need breeders to sign-up and pump out little Ahmeds for future suicide bombers , and the website code-word is "Trawl-ups" ( pronounce trollops in english) .
Although the posting will list:
Wanted: Females to work in various positions to assist in creating and training "Sharia-Law and Justice" enforcers , benefits covered , financial remunerations paid on a tapered scale as trainee production increases .
For a complete disclosure on Pension benefits and restriction, see our"Mission-Statement" for early claims on retirement packages for those under 65 years of age.
* Ask about our Volume discounts for family benefits and clothing allowances like Vests and Burqa's .
Phone inquiries call:
1-900-GO-ALLAH
or
1-900-NO-2JEWS
* Salary comensurated based on previous Position within the Sharia Enforcement Business.
Toss another Imam on the Barbie mate!
It's common for Islamic apologists to contrast polygamy with the western habit of taking a mistress ( a custom they seem to think is universal in western societies). I've heard that's it's a frequent complaint among the London East End's Muslims that they government should make polygamy legal in the UK so that they could stop pretending that a dependant sister-in-law (or two) was living with them. Someone working in a housing department told me that marriages contracted abroad can sometimes be legal in this country and councils have guidelines laid down for housing men with more than one wife, but it is kept quiet. It may be just a feature of first wave immigration but the worst thing about the habit of men bringing in wives from the subcontinent to the East End was that they were, as often as not, old enough to be the girls' fathers - and sometimes grandfathers.
sri i have been to those countries didnt realize those were muslim girls selling themselves. But if you go to Turkey now those girls suffer form such an inferiority complex that anyone can get a girl there and I dont mean paying. I dont blame the girls though why would anyone in their right mind want a muslim man.
Truth speaker (?) " .. marriage between men and men is a-ok- but dont dare practice something that was done by Prophets in the Bible."
So? How many thousands of years ago did this situation happen? We are discussing the present, not OT times.
"Its far more moral to have one wife and many secret mistresses as is a western norm".
I wonder where you live - this is not 'the norm' where I live. As usual, apologists for the revolting mistreatment of females under Islam cite Western customs and events of hundreds of years ago - like the constant comparison of Christianity and Islam using the Inquisition as a point in common. The most important thing is the one they invariably 'forget' to mention - that the same abominations that happened in Biblical times and in the medieval West happen every day in the present world of Islam.
Huh, they must follow the law of the land that they are living in? I thought that the muslims followed what mohammed told them to in the koran, and to hell with any other law of any other people? One or the other boys, clear it up.
It is only a matter of time before American Muslims use the Internet to find wives. I hope our governments both state and federal will have the courage to stop Muslims from practicing Polygamy.
Turn your hopeful eyes to the MSM and what tatters remain of freedom of speech. Moslems have been practicing polygamy in the States for years. The quick-breed strategem is a fundament of the Sharia and the lesser Jihad. It just doesn't get reported is all.
This is called cultural sensitivity. As I pump my clenched fist in the celebration of diversity, let me point out that this same tattered freedom of speech also silently nods at all those clitoridectomy practices operating in medical buildings across the street from hospitals in cities nationwide.
Jill Ireland, where are you. And you, Pope Ratzinger, skeert?
Are there any good books about the practice of polygamy within Islam? If so, please post a link to them on the Jihad Watch Books section.
Try the Noble Koran. Ain't nothing more authorative than that. Just ask Osama bin Laden. I don't say that cuz he's a polygamist. Osama is devout to the Noble Koran, but cohabits in Mt Hirat-like caves with other men, so he's out. But he still cares. Deeply.
Alarmed Pig Farmer
To the best of my knowledge, Bin Laden has around 4/5 'wifelets', the latest was about 13 when he 'married' her.