In Student Dialogue in Damascus, Danish Delegation Reproached for Using the Term "Middle East" and Listen to Threats on the Lives of Danish Soldiers in Sudan

So saddam hussein did not kill even 30,000. But maybe the Sudanese spokesman can tell us how many southern Sudanese Blacks were massacred by central forces --under Arab-Islamic command-- since independence in 1956. The New Columbia Encyc [1975 edition] wrote that 2.5 million had been killed in the "civil war" in Sudan since 1956. Can the Sudanese Muhammad tell us exactly how many the Sudan slaughtered? How many up to the first truce [of 1972, I think] and how many since 1983? Of course, these questions relate to the South alone. Next, Muhammad can tell us, maybe, how many have been murdered in Dar Fur in the last 3 years.

Just one more point. The term "the Great Arab Homeland" is found in Article One of the PLO covenant. It goes something like this: "The Palestinian Arab people is part of the Arab Nation and Palestine is part of the Great Arab Homeland." Just goes to show that the PLO does not represent or claim to represent a separate, distinct, or unique people. So even according to the PLO, there is no "palestinian people" or "palestinian nation."

The word homeland in Arabic is watan, which I suggest should be translated Fatherland.

O.T.

More confirmation that it is probably too late now for France. It sounds like the four horsemen have already saddled up, and it's just a matter of time.

The present riots were a storm ready to blow. Many politicians knew it. They did not try to speak of solutions because they knew there were none. One of them, a member of the government, said to me: "We are on the verge of disaster." It is a symptom of where France now stands, that he asked me not to use his name.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21957

It's like watching a train-wreck in slow motion.

I find it intersting that the word "arab" isn't even "Arabic."
It is a corruption of an Assyrian word meaning "Westerner."

Where do these people in Damascus, with their memories of colonization so vivdily etched in their consciousness, get off lecturing the Danes on the running of their own country? Isn't Denmark a sovereign state?

There is indeed something rotten in the state of Denmark, and it isn't cartoons. It's the stench of imported lies and hypocrisy, hee-hawed to the skies as righteous indignation.

It is the Arabs and their wonderful religion of Islam which has divided the world and began calling names long, long ago. As long as non-Muslims are called ‘infidels’, their name for us, then we should be allowed to call the Middle East exactly that.

I’ll never refer to it as the ‘Great Arab Homeland’ ever. Maybe ‘Sh*thole’ would be more appropriate. While we’re at it, let’s begin referring to Muslims as ‘Demon-worshippers’ or ‘ruthless animals’ or even ‘barbarians’. Why not? They named us, so let’s give them back a more appropriate name –one which more appropriately reflects their actions in our eyes.

Item of Note: In countires where the citizens do not have the right to keep and bear arms, the muslims run rampant.... Why would this be???

Robert wrote: "But let's just say that my feelings and emotions are deeply affected by jihad violence, from Indonesia and the Philippines to Thailand and Kashmir and Chechnya and Bosnia and Nigeria and all the rest. I would feel so much better if this young man could prevail upon his coreligionists to cut it out."

The striking lack of empathy by Islamic persons certainly stems from their indoctrination from birth that Islam is superior to all else in the world. The only feelings that Muslims apparently recognize as legitimate and proper in others is "the feeling of being terrorized," if the non-Muslim lives within Dar al Harb, or "the feeling of being subdued" if he lives within Dar al Islam. All other feelings or sentiments of non-Muslims are of no consequence. They are not only non-Muslims, they are non-persons.

"the Great Arab Homeland"?

I prefer the term "Crap-hole". That term excludes Israel too.

"the Great Arab Homeland."\
-- from the article above

Of course Arabs call it "the Great Arab Homeland," or as ARAMCO taught Americans to call it after World War II, "the Arab world." It was, and is, nothing of the kind. Fifty years ago few (outside of that ARAMCO) would ever have used that phrase (just as, in 1967, no Arabs had yet begun to use that carefully-constructed phrase "the Palestinian people" that now everyone and his brother thinks have existed for a few thousand years in a place called "Palestine").

The Copts of Egypt, the original inhabitants of Egypt, do not exist. The Kurds, who deserve a state of their own not so much for moral reasons, as to inspire non-Arab Muslims everywhere, do not exist. The Berbers, who finally acquired through rioting the right not to be punished for using the Berber language, for rejecting the insidiious arabization that is a constant feature of life under Arab rule, do not exist. The black Africans in the southern Sudan and Darfur (where women and children are routinely killed, cattle stolen, wells poisoned, by those Arab Muslims of the Janjaweed, armed and supported by the Arab Muslim government -- so much for Ahmad al-Shater insisting with a straight face that "it is forbidden to uproot a tree, it is forbidden to kill a woman, it is forbidden to kill a child, it is forbidden to destroy wells..." The Maronites, who use the Arabic language, but are not Arabs -- as the most advanced among them know perfecdlty well -- do not exist. The Turcomans do not exist. The Assyrian Christians, who also use Arabic but are not Arabs, do not exiset. No one exists -- no one but Arabs.

When Anthony Eden, that foolish and awful man (we know from his failure to do anything after hearing directy from the Polish diplomat Jan Karski his, Karski's, account of what was going on at Auschwitz, and from Eden's subsequent behavior, of his indifference or antipathy to Jews) promoted the Arab League in 1946 (and Eden would come a cropper ten years later trying to deal with Nasser), he helped set in motion this whole "Arab world" idea. And ARAMCO, always ready to do what its Saudi masters wanted, was instrumental in promoting this Arab-World idea. When at Taif, the Saudis and the Syrians forced the Christians of Lebanon to formally declare that Lebanon "is an Arab country," this terrible phrase was simply accepted by one and all. The Americans did not back up the Lebanese delegation but stood by, apparently unaware of the signifiucance of the phrase. David Satterfield of the State Department was there, but neither he, nor any of the so-called experts in the State Department have ever understood either Islam, or Islam as a vehicle of Arab supremacist ideology, and certainly none has demonstrated any concern with the non-Arabs (Kurds, Copts, Berbers, Maronites) living in, and suffering from, countries ruled by Arab Muslims.

"Arab world"? "Great Arab Homeland"? How can this be said with a straight face by someone in Syria, one of the places where Christians managed, in significant numbers, to hold on -- and do so today, because until the last few months, the Alawite dictatorship sensibly realized it had nothing to fear from the Christians, but everything to fear from the real -- i.e., non-Alawite -- Muslims?

It is not the "Great Arab homeland." The Arabs inflicted themselves, and Islam, on peoples well-settled, advanced, and prosperous, and gradually brought desertification, literal and figruative, to whatever lands they conquered.

Their gift to the world was Islam, a vehiclde for the imposition of the Arabic language and with it, the turning of non-Arabs into Arabs by convincing people that if they used the Arabic language (as they would have to to read the Qur'an) and took Arabic names (as happened when people became Muslims) that therefore, they were now Arabs, and should have no interest in their pre-Islamic or non-Islamic histories.

In other words, Islam brings with it an attempt, often succesful, at arabization of those who become Muslim. And Islam is the gift of the Arabs to the world.

Some gift.

Robert,

When I read this above article, I was confused by what was presented by the person presenting this view. No wonder I am viewing more of the Muslim faith as a faith that is so full of contradictions.

When I also read about Saddam killing a lot less then President Bush, I had to shake my head. The truth is that Saddam killed MILLIONS of people.

In the last couple of days at Saddam's trial, he said they (Kurds) tried to kill him. Waah, Waah.

No doubt, some may have got together and tried but I'm sure the babies, the toddlers, the mothers and the elderly had no part of a coup.

He was insane in his power and got off by killing innocents.

From article: The Arabs' feelings and emotions must be taken into consideration, even more than their minds.

What minds are those? Sounds terminally liberal.

Also this gem from Ahmad: In our religion, harming the Prophet is where we draw the line. We are prepared to die to prevent this.

Sounds like Prophet worship to me, Allah must be green with envy. Allah, the green eyed monster will deal severely with those who worship the Prophet more than He. Allah has little patience with idol worshippers...prophets or not...a severe retribution awaits them...

I remember the famous deputy Prime Minister of Iraq (Tareq Aziz) making similar protestations, right before he was captured.

What Al-Shater fails to realise in his claims

"The Islamic religion is not a religion of terrorism, as portrayed by Zionism or imperialism"

is that through reviewing historical evidence for the last 1350 years, the inescapable conclusion is that

"The people of this religion (Islam) are in a constant violent struggle with the rest of the world, Muslims simply refuse to accept that the rest of the world have progressed past the lifestyle of conversion by conquering and murder, and are trying to establish a life based on feedom and equality for everyone"

Ahmad al-Shater is like a voice from my past:
many years ago I worked as a teacher in a New York state prison. When I now read Arab voices commenting on current affairs I am struck by how eerily the same they sound to the way the convicts spoke. First and above all - the claim to be a victim of
injustice (Why did they have to arrest me for robbery -I never get a break! etc); the claim of entitlement - no 'do unto others...' - rather 'I can do to you what you cant do to me'. And they get furious if they aren't given special treatment - rules are for suckers...and the constant effort to 'get over' whoever they might be dealing with - the prison administration, the guards, each other...
To my ears the voices of political Islam sound like criminals I have known...

The Arabs' feelings and emotions must be taken into consideration, even more than their minds.
Feelings,whoa whoa whoa, feelings!

Again, thinking they should get special consideration.

This is such utter non-sense, how can reasonable people listen to this crap and just nod and smile? Where art thou balls? I mean have we lost all resolve in standing firm against tyranny? When I read coverage of 'meetings' like this it makes me want to puke. You'd have to be a step below mentally retarded not to realize that this man is attacking you and your way of life. Here's Europe's and America's new foreign policy regarding the Middle East...You're on your own! Pull out, leave, let them deal with their own problems. Get those alt. energy cars now (we can very much do this with just a little bit of sacrifice), stop buying products from the Middle East (what little there is besides oil) and shut down the borders. Oh, and if the government doesn't want to do this then we need a new government altogether (lobbyists need to be tared and feathered). I know the whole world isn't America, but let me just quote some of our Declaration Of Independence for the American readers:

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

If this government won't act it is our responsibility to replace it with politicians/or new government that will act!
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!

The cartoons, which appeared in the Danish newspaper, were a premeditated plan, by parties known to all, to divert global and Arab attention away from the crimes and massacres committed in Iraq, in Palestine, in Abu Ghureib prison, and in many occupied Arab territories. The plan was to divert attention away from what is going on.

These are truly evil people, who will blatantly lie and deceive. Who is the "Father of lies"?

sonnyboy-

That was very astute - and so true - Islamic apologists and the criminals of your experience sound alike because they are both SOCIOPATHS.

My sentiments exactly Erik.
Reading the drivel spouted by Ahmad Al-Shater, Chairman of Arab Students Union, I felt my ire rising.

To think there are over a billion of these people out there...

And all of them swapping distortions, half-truths and outright lies designed to arouse pure hatred against anything and everything non-Islamic...all day every day.

What do these people do?
What do they do at night for example..apart from breeding more mobots?
Do they read books, turn on the telly, walk the dog (rat maybe?)?
Do they laugh at anything not involving death?
The only time I can recall seeing a Muslim laugh involved infidels dying.

"civil war"

Thank you, Eliyahu, for putting this word quote marks. Insurgents, civil wars, religion, Islamists. It's all so [sic] to me, and so terribly misleading.

Ain't nothing "civil" about Islam.

here we go, cultural antagonism at its finest. God forbid we should actually learn anything from this information that would shut down the expression of violent jihad. so much better and wiser to keep your head hidden in the sands of hate....let's let the sudanese women keep getting raped, let's let the UN forces in to be killed, let's let every conflict get further inflamed...

I guess the only people left to trust are the businessmen who run our government, at least they are out in the field figuring out how to manipulate the culture and politics. When their business interests are threatened, they act firmly and decisively. I have only to look at my Exxon sharehold reports and see how time and time again they calmly laid violent uprisings to rest in Indonesia, Nigeria, and elsewhere.

With a market cap of $370 billion USD, they are the largest company in the world. Our dollars say "in God we Trust". Does that mean Exxon is closest to God? And shouldn't we trust them the most?

This conference has no credibility in my mind.

Why wasn't it held in San Francisco? Did they have a Yale professor there to preside over the proceedings? Where was the Reverend Al Sharpton in all of this?

Well?

The kids from Denmark need to learn a thing or two about how to hold a surrender ceremony...

the Sudanese people are so angry over this affront, they will kill the Danish soldiers before they kill the others.

So, it's come to this. We infidels are now kowtowing to our Muslim masters just for the order in which we are to be killed. The Danes should apologize for the cartoons so that they can get a better spot in line of the infidels waiting to be slaughtered. He's saying they're going to get to all of us eventually, we should all just be trying to move a little further back in the line.

Somehow the Islamic view of the world just doesn't appeal to me.

Lovely, isn't it? The Sudanese people are so outraged over cartoons of Mohammed that they are willing to put killing Danish peacekeepers first, before raping the women of Darfur and pillaging their villages.

Yes, there's blood being shed for oil alright, but not in Iraq.

Hugh sez:

"...so much for Ahmad al-Shater insisting with a straight face that "it is forbidden to uproot a tree, it is forbidden to kill a woman, it is forbidden to kill a child, it is forbidden to destroy wells..."

Now WE know that they do all of these things all the time. And for this belligerent Mohammedan to lie in the face of the world with the purpose of intimidating this (obviously very blue-eyed) Danish delegation seems hardly newsworthy for our MSM, which has become almost completely worthless in the 'WoT' or anything relating to the Mohammedan threat.

But Al-Shater claims it says so in the Koran, and the Koran is never wrong, right?

Indeed, there are some passages like that, but wouldn't you say that violent jihad always takes priority?

sonnyboy,

Yes, your perception and the perception of poetcomic1 are accurate.

The sound like criminals because they are criminals. They fit the classic definition of sociopathy, which features dehumanizing those around them (except for an elite few).

They are criminals, they recruit criminals, they behave like criminals.

They violate the Noahide laws. They murder and steal, or abet such. Their Sharia courts order mutilation and condone torture.

They disobey en masse the laws of the countries they emigrate to.

No, not every last one does these things. But enough do.

Wait 'til you see the real map they have drawn up. You just got the student version.

Like the Mafia, they map out their territories right on others' territories. They feed off others' desire for lust, revenge or power, or fear: consider many of the UN member countries that support them.

There isn't "room" in this town for us and them.

We infidels are now kowtowing to our Muslim masters just for the order in which we are to be killed. The Danes should apologize for the cartoons so that they can get a better spot in line of the infidels waiting to be slaughtered.

Brilliant. I'd like to say LOL, but I cannot, cuz I didn't laugh. In fact, I scowled at this post, cuz it's so exactly right on the money and ain't even a joke.

"The Arab people - the Arab Muslims and Christians - are an emotional and compassionate people,even though they are so strong in battle."

"I would like to inform you that because the Sudanese people are so angry over this affront, they will kill the Danish soldiers before they kill the others"

Am I the only person who finds these statements to be absurdly laughable? Apparently mohammedans are not very good at paying attention to kill ratios whenever there are confrontations between these losers and Western forces. They spend an awful lot of time trying to convince everyone how tough they are everywhere but the battlefield (on the rare occasions they actually show up).

How come they don't talk about the Danish Imams who added three offensive cartoons that the newspapers did not print?

How come they don't talk about the Danish Imams going to M.E. with the booklet and the stoking the flames?

According to the Islamic religion, even in times of war, it is forbidden to uproot a tree, it is forbidden to kill a woman,

but it is ok to have a nursing mother murdered in cold blood?

FROM IBN SA'D'S "KITAB AL-TABAQAT AL-KABIR", translated by S. Moinul Haq, volume 2, page 31.

"SARIYYAH OF UMAYR IBN ADI"

Then (occurred) the sariyyah of Umayr ibn adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against Asma Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. Asma was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No. Two goats will butt together about her. This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him Umayr, "basir" (the seeing).

yaqub-

It appears that Asma Bint Marwan's final lines to her soon-to-be-orphans were:

Don't make fun of that spaz Mohammad
Or you shall feel some heartless steel.

His sense of humor's withered dry
Like raisins 'neath a desert sky.

Just let him shudder, quake and spew
The lunacies he'll snarl at you:

"I am the pen of the Lord of All"
(While drops of spittle fleck and fall).

His soul is blackened by his fears.
Avoid his kind. Spread joy, my dears.

(One of the "prophet"-censored suras, I assume.)

Re:"SARIYYAH OF UMAYR IBN ADI" (thanks to Yaqub)

"Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back...

"This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah -- The apostle of Allah called him Umayr, "basir" (the seeing)."

This confused paranoid nincompoop got everything upside down and back-to-front from his very first "inspired" word - this is the founding principle of his entire nightmare fantasy!

No wonder those indoctrinated into the 'muhammad personality cult' automatically reverse the meaning of "good" and "evil".

One aspect of the Cartoon affair is the Denmark got no support or solidarity [or even subsidiarity, whatever that means], or maybe less than none,from its sisters in the European Onion. The EU left the Danes out to dry in the hot sun. We may deduce that the EU does not support the principle of free speech, that it only supports those member states that adhere to a certain unwritten precept that the EU must always be pro-Muslim and pro-Arab, etc.

In such circumstances, it is no wonder that Muslim students in dictatorial Damascus think that they can humiliate the Danes with impunity.

The first sentence should have begun:
One aspect of the Cartoon Affair that has gotten little attention is that Denmark got no support...

Firstly, by even the most skeptical estimates, civilian deaths orchestrated under Saddam's rule were in the hundres of thousands--well beyond the seemingly-arbitrary figure of only 30,000.

Secondly, I would remind the entire panel that the US Army doesn't employ suicide bombers or roadside IEDs in its operations. If the death toll in a post-invasion Iraq ever does approach that of Saddam's legacy, they will have only their fellow Muslims to blame.

How is it that blame is being transposed so effortlessly and so haphazardly in this discussion?