This no doubt happened because of the politically correct imperative to put a Muslim in charge of sensitive immigration matters, so as to avoid the appearance of "racism." Fox Guarding the Henhouse Alert: "Iraq spy suspect oversaw U.S. asylums," from the Washington Times, with thanks to all who sent this in:
An Iraqi-born U.S. citizen suspected of being a foreign intelligence agent was employed by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to rule on asylum applications, including those from unfriendly Middle Eastern nations, according to documents obtained from Congress by The Washington Times.Michael J. Maxwell, the former head of the Office of Security and Investigations at USCIS, is expected to testify about the Iraqi case and other breakdowns at the agency to a House subcommittee today.
Mr. Maxwell will tell legislators that the immigration system is being used by enemy governments to place agents in the United States.
The suspected agent, whose name has not been released, judged 180 asylum applications while at USCIS, the agency that also rules on green cards, citizenship and employment authorization.
A database check during Mr. Maxwell's investigation turned up national-security questions about nearly two dozen of those cases.
Does the right hand know what the left hand does?
How are we supposed to win a war with this sort of stupidity going on?
Somehow, I don't think any oppressed Christian trying to emmigrate to the U.S. would get much favor from this guy.
Testimony from Copts in Egypt, who have complained about some of the Muslim Arabs who are hired by the Americans to such areas as interviewing those seeking to emigrate to America, suggests that that is another place to investigate.
Then there is Syria. Last year I learned from former Christian residents of Haleb that a friend of theirs, who had obtained a visa for his daughter to temporarily study in America, that he was amazed, and horrified, to see that of the 25 or so people he observed receving visas as immigrants, about 20, in his rough calculation, were what he called "bad Muslims" --by which he meant not the Alawites, and not the well-off Muslims some of whom -- being well-off is hardly any guarantee -- were less Muslim-Brotherhoodish in their demeanor and beliefs. He simply could not get over what he had witnessed, reported it to my friends, and they reported it to me.
Then there is Turkey. One might think there is no problem because we have all been led to assume that Turkey is permanently secular. But it isn't true. Perhaps in a quarter of the Turkish population something like secularism has taken root, but that leaves 3/4 as Muslim as ever. One would think there would be an ability to distinguish. A Turk of my acquiantance, standing in line for a visa, observed a hijabbed girl, from her demeanor obviously "one of those
that sends shivers down the spines of the secular, who as she got further along in the line (I cannont remember if she was standing outside an Ameridan consulate or the embassy), proceed to take off her hijab, put on lipsick, affix earrings, and remove her sensible shoes for high heels. She then went in, had her interview and quite by chance my informant saw the same woman removing the lipstick and earrings, taking off the high heels and putting on more islamically acceptable shoes, putting back on her hijab, and walking off, mission accmopished -- with those American suckers none the wiser.
The entire immigation in all Muslim countries, or in countries where Muslims may not predominate but live and wish to try to get to America -- as in India, or in France -- needs to be taken away from those who are locals and often Muslims themselves. The whole thing should be put in the hands of people resolutely wary -- perhaps local non-Muslims would be the best to detect those who might try to obtain that most dangerous thing -- permission to move to America. We have a right to demand this. The American government cannot be negligent in its duty to protect. Admitting those who are adherents of a belief-system that demands that they regard us with hostility, or worse, violates that duty. Such a violation should be grounds for discharge.
Those in Congress who are properly alarmed need to put pressure so that such a change can be made. If some do not see the duty to protect being violated here, others will. They should not be shy.
A fervent Moslem running our immigration?
Where's that essay by Fitzpatrick talking about how we shouldn't give up? I need a dose.
They've got us surrounded.
Maybe he was a Yale graduate.
APG
I hear mate. How about a dose of Churchill updated to today's situation to steady your nerves.
...I expect that the Battle for civilization is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization.
Upon it depends our own American way of life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our freedom. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. The Jihadi's know that they will have to break us on this continent or lose the war. If we can stand up to them, all of mankind may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands.
But if we fail, then the whole world, including western civilization, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted ideology.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the United States of America and it's friends last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour."
Can't have discrimination at any level of government.
A terrorist must be guaranteed to have his shot at a job.
From the above post;
"An Iraqi-born U.S. citizen suspected of being a foreign intelligence agent was employed by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to rule on asylum."
So much for background checks.
The inmates are running the asylum!
The sad fact is that lots of other people not of Islamic extraction were probabaly passed over for this job so that the multicultural thought police could fill their positive discrimination quotas.
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
Ronald Reagan
40th president of US (1911 - 2004)
Background checks are interesting. All the references that you give are people that would vouch for you anyway. If your neighbors don't know you they really can't say anything either. Except at the highest levels they would seem to be useless.
Paul Sperry ~ Infiltration. Talks about these issues. Washington and northern Virginia are full of people from the middle east and other countries looking for government jobs.
A story from October 2001. A secure US government agency was asking it employees for volunteers for another agency as arabic translators in preparation for war. At least one person was overheard saying that they wouldn't volunteer because they wouldn't work against their country, not meaning the US, but the country they were originally from.
PC is insanity.
France-echoes was suspended following a data-processing harassing by the islamist ones...
France-Echos a été suspendu suite à un harcèlement informatique par les islamistes...
So much for freedom of speech in France.
I think if everyone just read the bible which has never been wrong, we see the last days coming on very quickly. Reality is gone, PC has most in denial, science is believed above G-d, and global warming is what they call Global WARNING, that the Lord tells us will happen just before He comes. Try, Matthew 24 and Luke 21. For the world its fear, but to us who know our G-d its great to know He is coming.
And as far as Islam, we know the antichrist is Muslim, and we know that Bush is no reborn Christian, who calls our G-d ,,,the same god as allah. Bush is a Muslim or the very least is a HIGH Mason, check out to find out what that is. Its like his Union address,,we have to catch this moment a one world order. meaning NO borders, a few rich who rule the world under Islam, and we are slaves to them all. This war and the last two is to weaken America so the EU can take over. Our debt is in the trillions and growing daily. Our crime rate has doubled, just like medicare , medicaid, and the so called low tax cuts,,,he gets them other ways. He is not for the US constitution, he is for the EU constitution. Member when he looked into Putins eyes and told us he saw his soul and knew he could be trusted..gag gag and gag..So big of lies we all fell for most of them. but I ssw and listened to FOX,,when asked if he was reborn, He said, yes into my secret club..that would be skull and bones,,HIGH MASONS. The left and right are the same these days..the ones who are rip and dem against Bush are the good ones left...the others are all club memebrs. America is waking up and seeing the left and right are the same , only packaged differently. Truth be told,,,,A democracy is where we vote, and bush does as he wants...We are a republic,,,where we vote and HE serves us..see your dictionary. Leaders are about weakening and killing as many as possible and turning them all over to the EU. G-d tells us all governments are ran by Satan. Yes, he puts them in and takes them out, but also Satan rules. And we in the US best wake the devil up, and take our country back if its not to late. You see, Bush wants a civil war..why? Many will die...2...He can call in marshal law like he practiced in New Orleans..most people there stole to eat or get dry clothes, but the cops and troops shot to do more looting thanthe people. If you can't see our people on the street, even our troops coming home and see our unemployment growing, our debt growing and those jobs that Americans don't do? well they can't support their families on five bucks orless so co get breaks of all taxes and get rich on the Mexican back. that too is wrong. But these jobs used to pay citizens good wages to support their familes..but becasue of Bush its ass backwards. We have too many here from all over the world that our tax dollars is supporting while we go without, yet notice Bush has just brought 7000 muslims from Russia who get free everything, and 25,000 more from Saudi. You all are going to have to wake up, do your homework, go to devvykid.com read some real truth. Maybe we just don't want to believe the truth, or care about ourselves or our kids. and maybe you should just go read your constitution, your bill of rights, your Declaration of indpen. and read what our forefathers wrote in them , the warnings. Like one,,get a gun, keep it incase of invasion or if the federal gov does you wrong. like stealing you blind thru taxes. Bush thinks he is above the law, and our constituion says he has to get our ok to give our money to anyone. How dare him sent it to the enemies, nation build while Americans hurt, even katrina, our poor, our old and millions of Americans without medical etc. Our troops , many come home and are homeless, fighting for medical, no promised jobs, families broken up from being forced to stay twice the time. and if you want to believe a few, maybe you should read what most of the troops say, that did not speak out becasue of their officies etc but now are..and why did we not hit Saudi Arabia where the so called hijacker came from? Or Iran? who most there was begging bush for regime change. You better wake up, quit believing lies, and see where your country like the Titanic is sinking, being given away, so Rome can lead..that would be my prayer..It is called common sense. for an example...in our state, we build a park, and then say we have no money to take care of it so we close it. but our roads are shot, homelessness is so bad in the thousands..yet they build a park? Gad ! And citizens who have worked all of their life, are cut or have a choice to eat or get their drugs. Bank robberies, rape, drug adiction , pure meth, number 4 herion, our kids are dombed down in schools, and by the way, federal gov has NO right to have a DSHS office in Wash. but bush thinks he is god. now we can't fly our flag, our troops are dying for..over 10,000 maimed for the flag of freedom, appeasemnt is going to get us killed here and in Iraq as we are infilerated by Muslims, Mexicans and all others. Why can't fox or the other countires do for their country like we have? Its called regime, while the rest are poor. Do I care about all the ones immigrating? Yes I do. but , if its not done leagal, they will help make us as bad as the country they left, then what. The answer is to have all people rid themseves of dictators once and for all, and let their countries bloom. to be free and be happy.but the dictators pay many to keep them in power, but the people here and there better fight to the death for life......
This no doubt happened because of the politically correct imperative to put a Muslim in charge of sensitive immigration matters
...and all this time you thought that my comments about such matters were over the top ... shame on you.
G-d tells us all governments are ran by Satan. - kim segar
Don't get me started on Proctor & Gamble. ;)
http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/procter.asp
It's a stretch, but there might be a Constitutional precedent for avoiding this sort of thing: The President of the US has to be native-born, not a naturalized citizen.
Then, it wouldn't be inconceivable to extend that criterion to cover any such sensitive government job where national security is at stake, and loyalty is paramount
From the article:
Emilio Gonzalez, the agency's new director, told reporters last month that he has made national security the top priority.
Why hasn't that been a "top priority" already??? Is it only apparent to us non-governmental types that it should have always been??? Did the "red scare" teach us nothing???
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the United States of America and it's friends last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour."
A fine perspective.
On the other hand, if things don't turn out well, Moslem hitorians will look back and say:
These morons were total saps. They knowingly committed suicide-by-Islam by impersonating an ostrich. What were they thinking with this irrational crap about Marxism and political correctness? A civilization could be made to collapse on such snake oil? By Allah, the Koran and the Holy Prophet served as all-seeing guides to the Global Sharia we now enjoy!
DEMAND FOR ISLAM UP 2.3% AT MAJOR NETWORKS, UP 17.8% AT UNIVERSITIES
May peace and blessings be upon Marshall McLuhan. He called it.
All of these issues begin and end with the State Department and the bureaucrats who run it. The Secretaries whoever they are seem to be sucked up by them.
For most of us they are anonymous, yet they control policies that are crucial to our lives and our safety. Why isn't their decision making process more transparent to the people who pay their salaries? They aren't elected. They are the hired help.
Where are the Secretaries of State? We all can debate the misguided outcomes of their decisions forever, but their power remains entrenched.
Where are the very knowledgeable commentators? Isn't it time that the State Department itself became accountable for its work?
"The job needs to be filled by someone of Coptic Christian or Syriac Christian background. Sounds like the upper management needs to be flushed too."
How about some born and bred Americans? Don't we have any of those left, or is this one of the jobs "Americans won't do"
Besides whatever jihadists he let into the country, how many innocent infidels did he send back to be persecuted?
Apparently, it's worth repeating: during the Cold War, we did not have avowed Communists who had taken vows to overthrow our Constitution as gatekeeper of our borders. Nor our ports. Nor were they advisers to the President. Nor were they allowed to own our media.
William the Crusader, thank you for the Churchill quote, I think I needed it as much as Alarmed Pig Farmer.
We have made so many blunders, I don't think anyone will look back and say this was our "finest hour". But I'm hoping someday they will look back and say we fulfilled our duty to protect the freedoms our forefathers (and foremothers) gave us, that we eventually got the job done.
And thank you for the other quotes, patriot.
One of my favourite Churchill comments, patriot2:
He was at some kind of reception in Canada and a waitress came round with a tray of drinks. Churchill took and one, and she passed on and offered the tray to a rather silly man who said:
"Young lady, I would rather commit adultery than allow alcohol to pass my lips".
Churchill immediately said, "Come back, Miss. I didn't know we had a choice."
from a post above by Borg,
A story from October 2001. A secure US government agency was asking it employees for volunteers for another agency as arabic translators in preparation for war. At least one person was overheard saying that they wouldn't volunteer because they wouldn't work against their country, not meaning the US, but the country they were originally from.
I would work against my country as long as it remains muslim I will fight against it and fight with any country in the world that fights it. and hey I'm from the middle east but the difference between me and the others from there is I am a coptic middle eastern I don't hate my country but I hate who rules it. I'm an arabic speaker who lived in Egypt for most of my life unfortunately. I moved to the US five years ago and to be honest I thought it was gonna be different than that. I thought I left them mohamadains behind me. But they're every where. You don't know how much it kills me inside to see these ppl infecting this beautiful country too. But I don't blame them, I blame the government, I blame the liberals, the democrats the politically correct and every person engaged in letting these ppl immigrate to and infest this land. The ppl that deserve to live here are my christian brothers and sisters who are persecuted and discrimminated against every day in schools, work and even neighborhoods. I'm glad I'm here now but I don't wanna see a hijabed lady walking down the street that's why I left my country in the first place. let my tell you something I don't care if I'm racially profiled here dicrimminated against eventhough I love this country and I'll defend it with my blood, as long as you originals of this country take the necessary steps to make these ppl feel unwelcomed stop giving them land to build mosques which they use as bases to plan attacks and to preach hatred, when for us copts it was extremely difficult to build a church. Stop buying from them, stop granting them everything they ask for like prayer rooms in public state buildings, these ppl are using your laws and freedom that you gave them against you, stop letting these ppl into the country and finally round em up and send em home where the wanna live under sharia law. Don't think less of yourselves you're a great country look at all the technology you have, all the inventions all the science all these beautiful things you povided to the world. if it wasn't for you these mohamadains would be extinct they survived on camel urine and milk, yes they have oil but without you they wouldn't be able to pull it out and even if they did what r they gonna use it for motor powered camels. DO NOT let these ppl take all this away from you and turn it into hell like their countries fight them to death so your children and grand children can live in peace do not ellect a democrat their two faced they will only help these invaders and btw they're legally and lawfully invading the country and you know what I'm tryina say. All I'm saying is save your country and save your asses islam destroyes everything in its path.
Sylvie: I'm all for a larger cadre of US-born-and-bred consular officers. However, whenever Congress gets into a cost-cutting mood, you can be sure that since nobody's going to lose a Congressional seat if a third of the Foreign Service is riffed, a third of the Foreign Service is going to get riffed.
Further, we need more people who know hard lanugages--including Arabic, Urdu, Farsi, etc. Yet knowing such things is worthless in Foggy Bottom when compared to skills in creative brown-nosing.
How about some born and bred Americans? Don't we have any of those left, or is this one of the jobs "Americans won't do."
No, what George said during his first year in office was Americans just won't do.
I HAVE MORE MOSLEMS THAT YOU I HAVE MORE MOSLEMS THAN YOU MO MO MO
Apparently, when George was fretting over his appointment to this important immigration post, he was caught up in a quandary. Hmmm, Mexican or Moslem? Mexican or Moslem, who will it be? A real American was out of the question, of course, he had settled that already, but he got so worked up on the Mexican-or-Moslem decision that he had a panic attack, the new Administration first real crisis!
As George slumped in the arms of paramedics, pale and shaken, breathing into a paper bag, Cheney sauntered into the Oval Office and made the command decision: Make it a Moslem, preferably an Arab one. They're deeper in our corner as allies than Mexico is.
I will try to paraphraze from the art of war based on my memory, 'He shall win whom has the same passion throughout his ranks.'
Ask yourselves this question, Does your friends and family even think that there is a problem with what is happening? Immigration, the War on Terror, the media? Or are they, like most, enjoying there life, too busy to take their head out of the sand to even notice...
We will not win the War on Terror until the majority of people in the West buy into the solutions... Solutions that, even at this late date, after going on 5 years from 9/11, can not even be talked about at the highest level in our governments because of PC.
I for one am not surprised about the hiring practices of immigration at all... but my concern is that when I think of who has the same passion throughout his ranks,(I am not talking about the brave men and women in the military) it certainly is not the west, but rather the fundamentalists...
Ask yourselves this question, Does your friends and family even think that there is a problem with what is happening? Immigration, the War on Terror, the media?
And the amazing thing is, you turn on talk radio or cable news or network news or open a paper, what do you see in stories all over the place? Islam and scowling Moslems. To take a break from all that mess, the busy news consumer takes a look at the latest on the mass invasion from the south.
The global jihad called by Osama in his '98 fatwa is rolling big-time. The Moslems not only have a convoy, they have the full force of the U.S. government and other Western governments providing the trucks and buying the diesel.
I HAVE MORE MOSLEMS THAN YOU DO I HAVE MORE MOSLEMS THAN YOU DO-OOOH
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States.
--- Article IV Section 3 of the United States Constitution
Well, that's pretty clear. But, somewhere along the line the Bushes and Clintons and Frists decided that, with a wink and a nod, they would override this key constitutional provision by way of dereliction of oath and non-enforcement. To quote that famous punk band, we are Devo and have gone from a country to a territory that holds the idea of a country passed.
I call that disloyalty-by-ledgerdemain.
...I expect that the Battle for civilization is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization.
Upon it depends our own American way of life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our freedom.
Posted by: William The Crusader at April 6, 2006 12:05 PM
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I, my family and untold number of fellow Ameircans are prepared, armed and ready.
Let the war start now rather than later.
Many will stand in front of God and realize that allah is false and they will suffer in hell with mohammed the whore of satan.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
Alarmed Pig Farmer. There is no magic about being a born American. Those who set this dumb policy probably were; Alger Hiss certainly was; and John Walker Lindh, Louis Farrakhan and his goons, and that Edward something or other who was featured here a couple of days ago as part of a homegrown terrorist Muslim cell, all were.
I don't know if this has been mentioned here, but the Italians prevented the basilica at Bologna from being bombed. The islamic crowd does not approve of a frescoe depicting muhammad being devoured by demons.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=19974_Terror_Attacks_Stopped_in_Italy&only
*fresco*
The problem, as I see it, is that politicians ultimately control our Governments' appointments systems and they, the politicians, either have not yet woken up to the threat that we all face, or are willfully and traitorously ignoring it in order to further their own interests rather than our countries' interests. You will all be aware that there is a widespread presence of mohammedans in the UK Government's systems - so the problem over here is identical, I suppose.
I like some of the quotes from the late President Reagan's speeches and works posted above. I was unaware of all bar one. They're good. The late President was not alone in distrusting politicians, of course; some of our greatest thinkers and writers, on both sides of the pond, have always done so:
A politician is an arse upon which everyone has sat except a man.
[A Politician by e e cummings]
Get thee glass eyes;
And, like a scurvy politician, seem
To see the things thou dost not.
[King Lear by the great Billy Wobbledagger]
For politicians neither love nor hate.
[Absolom and Achitophel, I. 223 by John Dryden]
He gave it for his opinion, that whoever could make two ears of corn or two blades of grass grow upon a spot of ground where only one grew before, would deserve better of mankind, and do more essential service to his country than the whole race of politicians put together.
[Gulliver’s Travels, Voyage to Brobdingnag, 6 by Jonathan Swift]
My apologies if I have cited the wrong work for Dryden - one's memory plays tricks as one grows older.
Patriot2
Your quotation from Mark Twain succinctly describes the apparent paradox between patriotism and Christianity. But I think there's more to the discussion.
Christianity's exhortations towards peace and non-violence are to be taken seriously, but there is a recognition that the duties of the individual in this respect are not the same as the duties of the legitimate government. The words "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's," indicate that the individual's actions in the collective may be different than that required in everyday person-to-person interactions, the latter requiring the exercise of free will evidenced in restraint and patience, the former requiring consideration of the greater good.
Likewise, Christians are enjoined to forgive, over and over. For individuals, this is the peak of virtue. But if the government forgets its obligations to the collective, the wicked are not constrained. In which case, the virtuous will not only turn their own cheek, they very well may have to watch as their children are forced to turn theirs as well.
So, let's be slow to anger. Let's be fair. Let's be sure of our values. And then let's roll.
I would just like to add my own appreciation for Egyptians contribution to this thread.
Awesome :-)
Chatillon -
Well said.
Egyptian -
Keep reminding us of that which we are fighting for. The voice of first-hand experience is better than anecdotal evidence.
Patriot 2 is repeating himselg so I will also:
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The Christian must forgive his brother man all crimes he can imagine and commit, and all insults he can conceive and utter- forgive these injuries how many times?--seventy times seven--another way of saying there shall be no limit to this forgiveness. That is the spirit and the law of Christianity.
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This Christian is going to forgive the mo for being vile and evil and then send the mo to see God for judgement.
Prepare, be armed be ready.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
All I'm saying is save your country and save your asses islam destroyes everything in its path.
Posted by: Egyptian at April 6, 2006 04:35 PM
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Eqyptian, well stated. You need to send your full posting to each member of congress.
http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html
Keep up the good work.
God Bless.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
This needs repeating again. From a previous post.
Patriot:
A Christian Patriot forgives the enemy for being the enemy, but pulls the trigger and sends them to the judgement of God.
When the enemy stands in front of this Christian, the enemy will get the opportunity to see God.
The Texican.
Texican -
You're robust attitude to the struggle that we are all here engaged with reminds me of a quotation (attributed to various people, but I'll go with this one):
"Don't one of you fire until you see the whites of their eyes."
(Colonel Samuel Prescott, Battle of Bunker Hill, 1775)
By G*d, Sir, I may disagree with your mode of expression and your proposed method of execution of your beliefs, but I agree, most profoundly, with your sentiments.
Thank you, dear Egyptian. I totally agree with every single word. I am so gratefful to be in the land of the FREE, cherishing and honouring this freedom, which many born here may take for granted, not exactly realizing what it means when one is without it. It is urgent that we instill this in our young ones now.
A geography lesson on how many countries have lost their centuries old culture. their entire history, their music, their voice - silenced forever.
I get goose bumps, and a lump in my throat when I hear the "Star Spangled Banner", when I see OUR flag flying, and when I see our troops proudly serving, and sacrificing their precious lives, to keep us safe and free. There is no other place like the US.
Proud to be an American, first and foremost.
God bless the USA !!
Infiltration, sedition, subversion:
Enemy agents in the lands of the infidels, behind enemy lines, rarely charged, rarely apprehended,
seldom prosecuted,
never executed.
Why?
Isn't Ahmed Afzaal (and so many others like him) an enemy agent too?
www.stuff.co.nz
New police policy on burkha-wearing drivers unveiled
05 April 2006
By MARCUS BROGDEN
Police have announced new methods to identify Muslims driving in full burkha, but the union representing front-line police says the women should not be driving at all.
National road policing manager Superintendent Dave Cliff said the new policy had been introduced to cope with the increasing number of Muslims behind the wheel.
"As a consequence - just through sheer weight of numbers - people will be stopped who are wearing burkhas. It's just to ensure we have a way of dealing with that while respecting the wishes of Muslim women."
The policy says where appropriate a female officer should be responsible for confirming the identity as there is no cultural basis in Islam for refusing to unveil the face to another woman.
Mr Cliff said it was clear from liaising with the Muslim community a "vast majority" won't have any objection to exposing their faces.
"Muslim women have no objection to exposing their faces to another women and that's catered for within the culture and within our policy."
But Police Association president Greg O'Connor today questioned whether women wearing full burkhas should be driving.
There were legitimate reasons for the burkha being inappropriate driving wear in New Zealand.
"We deal with criminals who will very quickly cotton on to the fact that it's to their advantage to be driving around wearing burkhas and that will happen because that's the sort of people we deal with.
"Secondly too, one could imagine that if one's belief system was so strong that you didn't want to show one's face then perhaps that belief system should extend to not driving.
"That's because if there is one place where everyone is equal it is on the roads because it is for the simple reason that everything we do on the roads is about safety."
Mr O'Connor told NZPA implementing the new policy would create problems at road checks where police needed to identify large numbers of people.
"It's not a huge problem but it's going to become a bigger problem with increasing numbers of Muslims in New Zealand."
He said there may need to be a law change to prevent people from wearing items of clothing while driving that would seriously impede their vision.
Mr Cliff, however, said he couldn't see any problems implementing the ruling.
"A vast majority of people don't want to be held up any longer than necessary and that's why we don't expect to have any issues around this," he said.
President of Federation of Islamic Associations (FIANZ) Javed Khan told NZPA he believed there would only be about 30 or 40 women in New Zealand who wore full burkhas and of those only a "handful of women who wear burkhas and drive".
Mr Khan said he had "no difficulty" with the police policy.
"If the police have strong suspicions about a person who is a driver and (they are) wearing a burkha then they are well within their rights to stop the car and do their investigation in line with the police policy.
"But saying that a person who is wearing a burkha cannot drive a car - I think that is going a bit far.
"It is a matter of choice. People have a choice to wear whatever they want to."
He did not believe burkhas made for unsafe driving as burkhas left adequate space to see through.
Chatillion: But if the government forgets its obligations to the collective, the wicked are not constrained.
That the gov will protect us from the bad guys, is based on the assumption that it is the 'good' guys who are in charge now. And who are these 'good' guys? As Tolstoy pointed out, 'the good cannot seek power nor retain it. To do that men must love power, and love of power has the opposite qualities of goodness...pride, cunning and cruelty.' So according to that, the 'good ' are not in charge anywhere...so whats left is this...there aint no good guys, there aint no bad guys, there's only you and me, and we just got ta be free...
My dear Chatillon,
I do indeed hope that the wicked are never constrained - how else is a lady supposed to make a living for heavens sake. Do you know the price of furbellows and lacy stays you naughty boy?
I can tell you the FBI dont pay as much as all you good folks out there think they do. My ittybitty knowledge sure as holerin dont give me no power and dont give me no dollars neather.
By "the wicked" I think he meant those who would threaten our peace and security.
But I guess you knew that and were only taking the opportunity to crack a joke.
From this morning's news:
Yojimbo, what a lovely man name that is and I just see you as big boy,
we dont have much to go on in the good old US of A becoz most folks think we are less than dirt but we working girlz know when we have it good. I think that Certirar had it right when he gave this "Don't one of you fire until you see the whites of their eyes."
(Colonel Samuel Prescott, Battle of Bunker Hill, 1775) I just had coipy and paste work. This site is good. I was in humor when I said about the wicked. You all dont like gays so we have to make a living as best we can. Sometime the living is good but these Moslim scare us all, Man are they weard and the things they want to do weard me out and my friends as well.
By G*d, Sir, I may disagree with your mode of expression and your proposed method of execution of your beliefs, but I agree, most profoundly, with your sentiments.
Posted by: Certiorari at April 6, 2006 11:02 PM
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We are living in a time when the choice will either be fight, live in slavery or die.
As stated by Patrick Henry:
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.
Jesus said if you do not have a sword to sell your clothes and buy a sword.
That time is nigh.
Fight, be a slave or die. Choose.
Words will not win this war, only blood and guts.
This Christian may die in the war, but I will damn well die fighting not bending down to have my head cut off by a mo.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
Duh_swami:
Tolstoy's quote presaged events in Russia, incarnated eventually as Vladimir Lenin. For all the truth in Tolstoy's observation, I remain much more hopeful. History provides cases in which power was taken up for the greater good and then laid aside again. Cincinnatus provides one example. George Washington provides another. Maybe even Ike!
But ultimately, "We the People" are the leaders, we are the government, as the Preamble of the US Declaration of Independence baldly states. We're obliged to hold our politicians to account for their behavior and the policies they espouse and not be put off by their dodging and BS. That's what a democracy is all about. And right now, Americans would do well to demand real answers from their political employees concerning this Iraqi bureaucratic appointment.
Dear Precious:
Not that I know from any experience or interest, but I have heard that some of you wicked people actually like being constrained.
And although I freely admit that I don't know the price of lacy stays, I shall asssume that they are neither forced upon the unwilling nor loaded up with any explosive other than your little self.
Someday you may choose to live differently, but it should be your choice, your own free will.
Let's the war start now rather than later.
This is a critical point. We know it's coming, and sooner is better than later cuz of the breed rate differentials.
But, maybe the war's not coming. Maybe we never will fight to save freedom. Maybe we'll just pussy out and be outbred and outmanuvered, first into Dhimmitude and later into obvlion.
Maybe we'll just pussy out and be outbred
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 7, 2006 05:01 PM
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Does this mean to win we have to do it more to get our women to have more kids??? Mine said what I could do about this and it wasn't very nice.
Does this mean to win we have to do it more to get our women to have more kids???
Yes, it does. I, for one, have been out there pitching the cause. But, alas, with limited success.
I am such a loser Infidel.
Does this mean to win we have to do it more to get our women to have more kids???
Yes, it does. I, for one, have been out there pitching the cause. But, alas, with limited success.
I am such a loser Infidel.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 7, 2006 08:37 PM
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Remember Alarmed Pig Farmer, you have to have a catcher when you pitch or it does not work.
The Texican.