So say Muslim leaders and scholars in Hyderabad. This would be great were it not for the fact that "injustice" has historically been understood by Muslims as including the mere fact of rule by non-Muslims, or the absence of Muslim political power in a given polity. From the Times of India, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
HYDERABAD: The concept of jihad was explained by Muslim religious leaders and scholars at gatherings held at various places in the city on the occasion of Milad-un-Nabi, birthday of the Prophet."Jihad is advised only to protest against an act of injustice or suppression Islam neither supports nor encourages war but it does not tolerate injustice or harassment.When Muslims are in danger or wrongfully attacked, Jihad has to be observed,"said Moulana M A Rahim Qureshi spokesperson of Muslim Personal Law Board and Tameer-a-Millat chief.
He was addressing a gathering at the exhibition grounds.Qureshi said the concept of jihad however has been 'corrupted'and is being used for wrong reasons.
"Muslims should believe in jihad till eternity,"Qureshi said. He said jihad should never be associated with aggressiveness and it should not be used as a tool to harm innocent people.
Great. Define "innocent."
Robert,
You're absolutely right. So much of the problem is the ignorance on the part of gullible non-Muslims of how Muslim spokesmen define words like: justice, innocent, aggression, injustice, terrorism, suppression, murder, and the like. In other words, much of the problem is a matter of definitions. We cannot allow the ruling fools [and liars] in the media and in the political leadership to accept the terms/labels that Muslim spokesmen use without demanding the exact definitions. In other words, there ought to be zero tolerance for undefined platitudinous words [such as those in the list above]. For example, what do Arabs mean by "peace with justice," when they speak of peace with Israel? I too want peace with justice, but my definition of justice and my understanding of peace may be quite different from theirs --and from the understandings given to those grand, exalted terms by the Western apologists for the PLO, for the Hamas, and for Islamic jihad in general.
Hence, the so-called "peace process" has been going on for years, producing not peace but more and more bloodshed, murder, hate, destruction of civilization, etc. And everybody's using the term "peace" to mean very different things. So definitions should precede any "peace process."
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/cgi-bin/newsviews.cgi/Islam/Islam_as_the_Agent_.html?seemore=y
Injustice to a Muslim: the fact that we, non-Muslims, exist. And thrive. And are happy, successful, creative, better, superior in all ways.
Yeah, they use this excuse: only against injustice. Self-defense, etc. And so many of us buy that crap. So many of us look inward and think we must have done something to make them so angry. Yeah, the fact that we breathe and live.
Define innocent - to a Muslim, there is no such thing. Even a fellow Muslim is fair game. Look at them, blowing each other up, in Iraq and Pakistan. It's a feral cult of psychotic bloodshed. There's absolutely no point in discussing the whats, whys and whos. It's all about KILL KILL KILL!!!! It's vile. I loathe Islam. What a blight on our poor planet. It's Earth's AIDS.
feralee-
Don't blame poor old Earth for having this AIDS-like blight.
Islam is purely mental.
Based on a conceptual flaw in the unself-examined mind:
-what I believe to be true IS true because what I claim is true ITSELF says it IS true.
Circular reasoning gone amok.
With no skeptical escape clause allowed.
"This book is not to be doubted."- saith the Koran.
Feralee has a point comparing islam with AIDS. What is the Infidel world's immune system? Free thought, skeptical inquiry, agreed-upon definitions for words enabling communication and understanding.
The very things islam attacks.
Just like a virus.
A mental virus.
From the above title posting,
'Jihad is Waged only against injustice"
Okay, now I feel so much better.
"Injustice to a Muslim: the fact that we, non-Muslims, exist. And thrive. And are happy, successful, creative, better, superior in all ways."
It's more than that: it's also the fact that non-Muslims and many aspects their culture (particularly modern Western non-Muslims) are dominant in the world -- a world that is increasingly necessarily interdependent.
Some Islamic Terminology:
(Remember these when apologists tell you that Muslims only fight against the wrong-doers)
Zalim
Zalim is the wrong-doer, he who exceeds the limits of right, the unjust.
[also see zalimun, below]
Kafir
Kafir signifies one who denies or rejects the truth, i.e. who disbelieves in the message of the Prophets. Since the advent of Muhammad (S.A.W.), anyone who rejects his Message is a kafir.
[see kafirun, below]
Kabair (al)
Major sins; such as Shirk (see Shirk), Qatl (murder), Zinah (fornication and adultery), the taking of Riba (usury), Sirq (theft), etc.
Shirk
Shirk consists of associating anyone or anything with the Creator either in His being, or attributes, or in the exclusive rights (such as worship) that He has against His creatures.
[Arch note: e.g., polytheism is shirk]
Hilali-Khan translation. Read 5:44-45, then 2:193.
5:44. Verily, We did send down the Taurat (Torah) [to Musa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah's Will, judged the Jews. And the rabbis and the priests [too judged the Jews by the Taurat (Torah) after those Prophets] for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Book, and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O Jews) and sell not My Verses for a miserable price. And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the Kafirun (i.e. disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allah's Laws).
5:45. And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers - of a lesser degree).
[So anyone who doesn't follow Islamic law is a wrong-doer, and polytheists are wrong-doers].
2:193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
(all parenthetical and bracketted insertions in the Koran quotes are from Hilali-Khan)
Injustice to a mo is very simple: everthing non-mo.
Among the courtiers and retainers of the Nizam of Hyderabad were Muslim soldiers from the Hadramaut. From that same Hadramaut (now part of present-day Yemen) came the Hadrami traders who, starting in Java, helped early on to bring Islam to the East Indies.
Does this mean the muslims are waging jihad against themselves as well? Muslims sticking it to themselves .. maybe.
Indeed, injustice and justice mean different things to a Muslim and a non-Muslim.
I remember distinctly seeing demonstrations after 9/11 in the U.S. Some Muslims demonstrating with other Americans to show their solidarity. And I surprised to the slogan : "No peace without justice", and condemning Israel. And by that, they demand that "justice" be meted out against Israel, as if that will solve the "justice" problem. Read the code word : "peace" == "islam". "justice" == meted out against non-Muslims.
Then, the cartoon incident. I saw a slogan in London demonstration : "Behead those who dare insult Islam".
Remember that Muslims believe that at the End Times, when the al-Mahdi and Isa (Muslim version of Jesus) come, they will rule with "justice". And how is that done? Isa will "kill the swine, break the cross and abolish the jizya tax", and Isa "will accept nothing except Islam" from the Christians. In other words, Christianity will be abolished and either Christians accept Islam, or be killed. And there will be a beast that will mark the forehead of each person, to distinguish between a Muslim and a non-Muslim.
That is what Islamic justice means in the End Times.
feralee posted: What a blight on our poor planet. It's Earth's AIDS.
There is much in what you say. If we had the means for inter-planetary travel, I would definitely be against it on that count alone. I mean, aliens could be a tough and hostile bunch, but I really do not think it is fair to inflict islam on them.
And occasionally to commit genocide and steal land away from millions of innocent non-Muslims.
A glass of taqiyya, anyone?? I'll have mine "on the rocks."
The name of that region in southern Arabia, Hadhramaut [now part of Yemen], is rather meaningful. It means courtyard of death. And the missionaries of Islam to Indonesia brought with them-- a cult that worships death.
both Khomeini and yasser arafat are quoted as saying: To kill and be killed, the highest joy in Islam.