Jizya rates to Palestinians

Isn't it just incomprehensible, so much money for a small patch of land called "Palestine"? With that kind of money the palestinian economy should have had a kick-start never before seen in human history. But no, money dissappears into a black whole of the global jihad, leaving a barren wasteland of islamic indoctrination. Yet they complain how Israel is being financed by the Great Satan, you know who.

Would it be that simple, to close the taps of Infidel money and see the jihad drain away into the sink of oblivion? I guess not, but it is a start.

Best wishes,
Jan

Cyprus! They are rapdily losing their little island to Muslims so they fund some other Muslims. Do they really hate the Turks and Jews THAT much?

Shouldn't Russia and China be on this list? They must be donating something. How much?

Well at lease Canada is not supporting the terrorists. PM Harper made it clear. We cannot give any aid to Palestine. Do they really deserve our aid?

Jizyah sums to Egypt, Pakistan, Jordan, and any other Muslim state or quasi-state that had the bad luck not to be born with lots and lots of oil and gas under the ground, should also be compiled and listed. Egypt has received from the United States a total of more than $60 billion. That $60 billion, if put only into ethanol research and development (if one is to believe, and I do, the story about Brazil's success with ethanol), and advances in solar and wind energy. But instead we have gained what? Egypt remains a world center of antisemitism and anti-Americanism. Egypt is the protector of the Sudan and has worked to prevent effective intervention (the ineffective African Union kind is just swell) in Darfur. Egypt has been the official sponsor of that celebrated television series based on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an act which does not exactly comply in spirit or letter with its solemn commitment, under the Camp David Accords, to end all hostile propaganda against Israel.

And what is the sum total of Infidel aid that Pakistan has received, and be sure to include all those cancelled billions of debt, over the life of Pakistan? Was not Pakistan the creator and incubator of the Taliban, and of the nuclear weapons project of A. Q. Khan who, supported by the generals of the I.S.I., also distributed nuclear know-how to such friends of the United States as Iran and North Korea?

And Jordan, the country with the "plucky little king" with so many friends in England, not to mention his admirer Anthony Lewis (formerly of The New Duranty Times), followed by the slightly less plucky and less little king, his son Abdullah, with the wrestler's neck, and the less oily manner, one more entirely unrepresentative representative of an Arab country, Jordan or Eastern Palestine, where in opinion poll after poll, 95% or more of the population declares its hatred for America (the same percentage, more or less, that would like to get a visa to move to America, and no doubt some would argue that they should be granted those visas and then those green cards, because what better way to diminish Arabs and Muslims of their anti-American hatred then to allow them to live here, and make them Americans? It's a win-win situation, isn't it?)

Go around the world. Add up the amounts paid out to CENTO members. Add up what is given in foregin aid to Indonesia by Australia, and the United States, and the Netherlands. Add up what is given by the French to the countries of North Africa, countries that repay those francs, those young teachers sent on their civlizing mission, that military aid, by doing what? By relieving their excess of population and sending it, as a token of Arab and Muslim apprecaition, to France, by all conceivable legal and illegal channels, where those young Arabs fit in so well, integrate so easily, are so grateful for all the free housing and education and medical care, and to live in douce France, mere des armes, des arts, et des lois, that they wake up in the morning trying to think of ways to repay their French fellow countrymen and countrywomen, and the Frenchs state for its largesse.

Add up the damn Jizyah.

Then, on a second page, add up the sums given by the fabulously rich Arab states, the ones that owe their trillions to an accident of geology, and find out just how much they have been giving, over the years, to the "Palestinians," (other than as rewards to the families of suicide bombers), and to Egypt, to Jordan, to Pakistan, and all the rest. Find out how little is given -- except in direct payments to encourage Jihad, the Lesser or the Greater.

Now, inhabitants of the Elysee, 10 Downing Street, the White House, and bigshotseverywhere, just be quiet for a moment, will you. Sit down. Now look at these figures. Now ask yourself what they mean.

Anything? Nothing?

it means they have sold us out.

BURKA BURKA MOHAMED JIHAD!

Okay, now how do I get my cut?

LOL@Lurker

Hey...AK47's ain't cheap! And the cost of bullets these days, oi vey!

When the Twin Towers in New York were burning,these same Palestenians were dancing in the streets. Why only the Christian countries should volounteer to pay these Jisiya to these heart less suicide bombers? The Palestinion Christians are marginalised in their own country, and they live as real Dhimmies there. No one would have forgotten the sacred shrine of Jesus's birht place was desecrated by these Palestenian Muslims,when they used the Holy Bible as toilet papers. Let the stinking rich Arab countries pay for their UMMA Muslim country. Iran wants to whipe away Isreal for the sake of these Mulim Palestinians,then why dont they fund them,if they are so caring about Palestenions?
The European countries,and America should wash their hands from donating these huge sums of money to an unworth cause,and use the same money to improve the conditions of the homeless in their own countries.

Suspend the Jizya, solve the US trade gap and budget deficit in one fell swoop!

I would much prefer the US figure out the amount it spends on jizya, cancel the jizya payments altogether and invest that amount in space exploration and education. We may yet find other planets out there that can sustain life and possibly, (we hope), most or all all of the world's jihadists. And then we should have the US come up with a viable program to deposit the jihadists from earth way out on another planet in outer space...

More on Jizya to a supposed 'ally', Pakistan, in Global Offense Against Terrorism.

From, $40 billion 'window of opportunity': Jang Pakistan

America sent our way a paltry $91million in 2001. Then came September 11. In 2002, we got a wholesome $1,151 million. In 2003, Bush announced a five-year $3 billion aid package. In 2004 and 2005 we received $411 million and $726 million, respectively. Thanks to Bush, the World Bank -- where America has 265,219 votes -- committed a three-year $4.5 billion loan. Thanks to Bush, the Asian Development Bank -- where America has 565,919 votes -- committed $1 billion a year for the next three years. Japan resumed her yen loans, the equivalent of $500 million a year, and the UK promised an additional $150 million a year.

To top it all, the US Department of Defence has been depositing a cool $100 million a month into our treasury for the last four years. The US forgave $3 billion worth of bilateral debt, and then convinced the Paris Club lender nations to reschedule a large portion of our $38 billion bilateral debt on easy terms. Add it all up -- and thank Osama -- for the total bonanza is going to be a colossal $40 billion.

Hugh

You have hit the proverbial "nail on the head"
What is even more ironic is that when we halt aid to Palastine because of Hamas, this Aid is backed up by the Oil rich countries using revenues gained from Oil exports, and guess whos buying their oil ? yes, we are !

It was the British and Americans who discoverd and then developed the Oil fields in the Middle East, but our greed and short sightedness got the better of us.

The sooner we begin investing in other forms of energy, Solar, Wind ,Tidal, and Ethanol, Hydrogen vehcles, and I do not mean the pittance which the Oil companies and our Governments are currently putting in the better it will be for all of us.

Luckily the Oil resources on the planet are finite and at some point in time, hopefully before we are all converted to Islam under threat of death, we will have woken up to this !

As an Engineer I have seen countless projects in alternative energy development under funded and placed on the back burner because of our reluctance to accept other less convenient sources of Energy.

When Oil becomes 100 dollars a barrel, ( and before Iran throws one of its N. Korean based SHAH-HB 3, 4 missiles at Isreal), maybe we will wake up and smell the coffee.

"when Oil becomes 100 dollars a barrel, ( and before Iran throws one of its N. Korean based SHAH-HB 3, 4 missiles at Isreal), maybe we will wake up and smell the coffee."
-- from a posting above

We, oil consumers of the world, can make oil $100 a barrel right now. Or $80 to start with, and $100 next month or next year. We can, and always could, make the price just as high as we wanted to do discourage oil use, and to encourage the use of other energy sources. Had Saudi Arabia not possessed so many agents of influence, some direct and some indirect, had not everyone from John Connally to James Bakern, from James Akins and Raymond Close to all those who played tennis with, or went skiing in Aspen with, or enjoyed the hospitality and more of that smiling, affable, thoroughly dangerous Prince Bandar over three decades, had they not all been insisting that our best energy policy was to rely on our "staunch ally" Saudi Arabia, we might long ago have raised the price, recapturing oligopolistic rents that might, in turn, have been used to fund energy programs.

Traitors to the Western world, to its politics and even to its environment, promoted the Saudis, and fools listened.

And that is why not only has the "wealth weapon" which came into being in 1973 and has been growing ever since managed to fund the world-wide Jihad, but it has also been used to fund those who have headed off those warning of environmental damage -- permanent environmental damage.

The measures, of taxing oil to reduce its use, and applying the taxes to other sources of energy,and in subsidizing mass transit, and cleverly encouraging less energy-intensive ways of pursuing happiness, are the very same measures that will be needed to stop --- quickly, very quickly -- the changes in the environment that may be in a decade, or may be even sooner, regarded as irreversible.

The entire Western world is being lead by those who are not leaders but people "taking a leadership role." They are lazy. They are ignorant. They are the misfits who survived the political climb up the greasy pole. They are not equal to the present task. Meanwhile, the assault on the Infidels, especially those of the West, and their achievements, and the assault, by all of us, on Nature, who did nothing to deserve this, both require the same actions.

And we can do it -- we don't have to dance attendance on Saudi Arabia. We can make the price just as high as we want, and we can mandate use, or dis-use, in a thousand ways.

William Eaton, United States Consul to the Regency of Tunis, dispatched a letter to Secretary of State James Madison, who was then serving in the cabinet of President Thomas Jefferson. The letter from Consul Eaton was published in the American State Papers, Foreign Relations: Volume 2, pp 358-9. It is a stark reminder of how, for more than a thousand years, Muslim rulers have contemptuously extorted tribute from non-Muslim states. It also serves to illustrate the degree of hubris assumed by these despots as a result of their imperial domination achieved through brutal violent conquest spanning 12 centuries.

The Barbary States of Tunis, Algiers and Tripoli were ruled at the time of this dispatch by semi-autonomous vassals of the Ottoman Sultan. In 1798 Prince Hamouda Pacha Bey demanded and received from the United States a tribute to be paid for three years in order to secure the peace. (The original treaty was published in the same volume cited above on pp 123-6.) It included “regalia”, a.k.a., naval stores (ship building materials, cannons and ammunition valued at $35,000), “Peace, cost in money” ($50,000), “Peace presents” ($12,000), “Consuls’ presents” ($4,000), and “Sackatappa, or secret service” ($6,000) . By June of 1801 the United States had already made good on two payments and the third was in transit.

In the minds of the American leaders, paying the tribute was cheaper than securing the peace by force of arms so it was simply a matter of economic expediency. Little did they know that from the viewpoint of the Turks, the tribute was a normal arrangement as they had with all the European powers, and was considered a payment by a non-Muslim state to the Muslim state of the jizya tax imposed on all non-Muslim subjects of the Islamic empire. By agreeing to the extortion, the Americans unwittingly acceded to the status of a second-class dhimmi state in the eyes of the Muslims.

The accession to these demands would have profound and far reaching consequences for many years to come and would eventually lead to two wars between the United States and the Barbary principalities, conflicts that to the Muslim tyrants were nothing more than just another routine jihad with the United States, a new kufir (Infidel) backwater in the uncivilized dar al-harb (land of war) to be inevitably subdued by the Islamic sword at the command of the caliph.

I'll remember this next time we're down helping at the homeless shelter.. :-(

I have been saying this for a long time.

All bribe money sent to Israel should be cancelled, like anyone else Israel can raise taxes by 5$ a month to make up for the loss of subsidies for the IDF from the US.

Cut off all Jizya payments to all Arabs (Which would help Israel more then it getting money because then the Arabs would be weaker, hence the IDF would not need as much funding).

In defence of Greece and Cyprus we have never been especially good at fighting against unconventional methods. We gave massive amounts of money to barbarian raiders before to leave us alone, we simply are paying to keep our merchant ships from being sunk as they sail near muslim waters. If other countries did not provide the Arabs with funds they would have nothing to buy the weapons to threaten us.

NicephorusPhocas-

Yeah that's a real pressing concern - money that's going to Israel. Bribe money????

U.S. has gotten prime value for its money to Israel. A half century of intensely studied weapons performance, military strategy planning, how to handle terrorism, etc etc etc

Israel has been the guinea pig - a country the size of Orange County and the front line of global Jihad.

The second intifada terror campaign murdered, comparatively what would be the equivalent of TWENTY World Trade Center disasters in the U.S.

You can take the word 'bribe' and put it in where no one would ever want to look for it.

And, for what its worth, they are on our side.

Japan too pays a hefty sum to the palestinian authority.

Now, about enriching Saudi Arabia and other Arabs. If the USA --and UK and France-- would stop giving tax incentives to US oil companies to buy oil from the Arab oil exporters, then that would help. I recall that there was some talk in that vein in the US more than 20 years ago. But I honestly don't know what came of it. Were any helpful changes made in tax laws and IRS tax regulations to stop the subsidies of Saudi Arabia through the Foreign Tax Credit? I know that that system was in effect from 1951 till the early 1980s, at least.
See the links below:
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/09/kindly-making-arabia-rich.html
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/09/what-does-left-really-mean-in-2005.html
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/09/left-part-of-solution-or-part-of.html

NicephorusPhocas:

Have you an inkling of an idea as to what comes back to the US from Israel in return for that aid, in terms of technology and intelligence? Unlike jizyah paid to the Arab world (even Saudi Arabia gets a slice), it's a two-way street between Israel and the US, a mutually beneficial arrangement.

I know Israel gives Israel a good payment for the money sent.

Saying Bribe was a slip of the tongue, what I meant was assistence.

Israel doesn't need the money from the US, and if the Arabs didn't get Jizya the economic needs of the IDF would be significantly lower.

I never said or meant that Israel was not a friend and ally, what I meant was that it is silly to pay the other side massive amounts of money, and then to make up for it by doing the same for Israel, why not just cut of the money entirely?

When Israel really needed money following their War of Independence they did not get aide, so why now?

I notice Japan isnt on that list. They are usually close to the top of these kinds of lists. It would be interesting to findout why Japan isn't providing as much aide to the Palestinians as they do to most other foreign aide recipients.

NicephorusPhocas:

Very heavy defence related spending aside, Israel's economy has suffered pretty badly because tourism collapsed after Intifada II was launched. And there's also been the heavy costs of absorbing refugee populations from places like Ethiopia and moving 8,000+ people out of Gaza. Consequently a very large portion of Israel's Jewish children live in poverty, but nobody outside of the Diasporan Jewish community hears about Israeli poverty, only Palestinian poverty.