Jack Straw should be removed from office immediately. He is Neville Chamberlain and worse. Not only does he want to appease evil; he also wants us all to pretend that it isn't really evil at all. From the Jerusalem Post, with thanks to Romy:
"Normalize relations with Hamas," British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw urged Thursday."Hamas now heads the PA government, and [Britain] wants to maintain normal relations with them as we did with the previous government," Straw said during his visit to Riddyah, Saudi Arabia.
Straw added that he would demand in any case that Hamas meet the requirements of the international community - to stop terror, recognize Israel, and honor existing agreements between Israel and the PA - but softened his stance by saying that he would be satisfied with the group "accepting" the existence of the Jewish state, and would not insist that Hamas make a formal statement recognizing Israel.
He would demand but he would not demand. And evidently the normalization of relations would depend on none of this.
Straw arrived Tuesday in Saudi Arabia to take part in a conference devoted to bilateral relations.
Straw arrived Tuesday in Saudi Arabia to report to his masters -- er, that is, to take part in a conference devoted to bilateral relations.
Straw today is reported to be at odds with Prime Minister Tony Blair over backing the US in any likely use of force against Iran. Straw says it would be illegal. Blair has indicated he is not prepared to rule out backing the US as this would imply weakness. Quite right Mr Blair.
Maybe Straw, who is mindful of his muslim constituency, should be removed from his current position being compromised concerning anything to do with Islam. He no longer remembers who's interests he really represents. In some way this type of behaviour could add some to consider voting for the opportunist racists the BNP who, unlike the main parties, are pretty straight about where the threat to the British way of life comes from. A threat which is still not being called by its true name.
In this case Straw would allow Hamas to cross their fingers and lie about accepting Israels' right to exist. They have stated along with Islamic Jihad that this will never happen, why coerce them to pretend otherwise? Is it to give Straw some temporary political "victory" some 2 minutes of fame as a fixer? Straw IS as you state Robert the new Chamberlain. He is a disgrace to this country.
Turbinehead:
He should be removed. If not on the Iranian threat, on the Hamas issue he has gone beyond the pale. He should go. Unfortunately, I doubt Blair will remove him.
What amazes me to no end, is that you don't hear a peep from the opposition.
I guess the spirit of Thatcher is completely gone.
David Cameron, the leader of Her Majesty's Opposition, and head of the Conservative Party has earned the contemptuous title "the Boy King" from conservative-minded Englishmen.
He says and does nothing useful. He says that under him his party is no longer right wing - as if the country needed a third left-of-centre party.
There is the grave international situation, there is a crime wave at home, near breakdown in many hospitals, a completely out-of-control immigration policy, serious constitutional impropriety from the adminstration and widepread corruption (sale of peerages, etc.) such that the public now holds the administration in contempt, and much much else that Cameron could but won't address. He is not even in the country. He has gone to stare at a glacier in Norway in order to prove that he is concerned about the environment:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/10/ncam10.xml
This is 100% parallel to Israel's Ehud Olmert and the Kadimah party. Unfortunately, they are not the opposition here.
As a life long labour supporter I can assure you that I , along with many of my fellow britons shall be voting for the British National Party at the next election to get rid of these dangerous apologist cowards who are giving away our once proud country - there is a sea change coming!!
I suppose Straw, had he been around in the 1930s, would have argued in favour of "normalizing relations" with Hitler's Nazi government in Germany.
Simply unbelievable. Straw shouldn't just be removed, he needs to have his head examined!
Jack Straw is not alone. But he is ignorant, and he is dumb, and he is influenced by all those in the Foreign Office -- possibly some of the same people who work so well with John Simpson, for the BBC World Service comes under the Foreign Office's direction --- who have always been supporters of appeasement of the Arabs, and who nicely blend old-fashioned Lawrentian pro-Arab mythologies with new-fashioned desires to recycle, for themselves, their relatives, their friends, their future "private sector" consultancies and directorships, all kinds of petrodollars.
For an example of how Straw that former President of the National Union of Students (the equivalent in the United States would be someone who had spent his formative youth as head of S.D.S. or possibly some Trotskyite faction hawking Maoist papers on the street), understands history, kindly goolge "Jack Straw" and "Hugh Fitzgerald" for a piece in which some of the comments on Straw's knowledge of the Middle East, by such historians as J. B. Kelly, can be consulted.
Jay Leno's most amusing segment is "Jaywalking," and particularly that in which he goes searching for examples of complete idiocy, and always finds them. The Western world is not, however, merely dumbing down. It is simultaneously dumbing-up, and those who presume to protect and instruct us, such as Jack Straw, are examples. Jaywalking at the Foreign Office. How one would love to give a little test -- of, say, 100 multiple-choice questions, and four or five essays -- to the likes of Jack Straw.
He would have to write only on one side of the page. But he can have as many blue-books as he needs. Three, two, one....time's up.
kindly goolge "Jack Straw" and "Hugh Fitzgerald"
That sounds awfully painful, like some Sharia-style punishment. Jack Straw deserves it, of course.
... meet the requirements of the international community - to stop terror, recognize Israel, and honor existing agreements between Israel and the PA ...
Since when did Fatah in its governing role of the PA ever honor those existing agreements?
In 1994 right after signing the Oslo accords they dishonored their commitments.
Does anyone remember Aqaba and the signing of agreements on Bush's watch?
Abbas himself spoke openly of not stopping the groups terrorizing Israel.
Apparently Jack Straw (1381 Peasant's revolt) may not have existed in his own right, but may have been a nickname of Wat Tyler adopted from the jackastraw, defined in one dictionary as an effigy stuffed with straw; a man of straw; a man without property, worth or influence. Thought to have links with the harvest. There is a pub (which I am told is very nice, I have never drunk there but did use the toilets once after a rather exciting ride on the dodgems at the fair on Hampstead Heath, but I digress) called Jack Straw's Castle in London and an Iron Age hillfort of the same name in Wiltshire. All terribly ancient.
Unfortunately the current holder of that name, born John Whitaker Straw (it is said he adopted the familiar form to emulate the historical Jack) has nothing to commend him, being the personification of a man without worth. No modern peasant is going to follow this Straw to Blackheath, although his head would look well on a pike on London Bridge.
Apparently Jack Straw (1381 Peasant's revolt) may not have existed in his own right, but may have been a nickname of Wat Tyler
Sorry, can't resist an old joke:
Who led the pedants' revolt?
Which Tyler.
Jack Straw's Castle is very near The Spaniards. The latter is the best pub in the world, so I've never bothered with the former.
his head would look well on a pike on London Bridge.
Perhaps that is what is meant by goolging (see above).
Interested:
A bit gruesome, a bit Thomas Nashe; times have changed. But on the other hand, why not?
Still, I'm suspicious of you now. Look what Hugh says in another thread:
Be a bit more grateful, and a bit less interested in the doings of starlets and rock stars -- less interested, even properly contemputous.
As a life long labour supporter I can assure you that I , along with many of my fellow britons shall be voting for the British National Party at the next election to get rid of these dangerous apologist cowards who are giving away our once proud country - there is a sea change coming!!
Posted by: johnmac [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 20, 2006 07:46 AM
At last some common sense comming from across the atlantic. When are the rest of the UK going to wake up and realise they are at war and are at this very moment loosing due to cultural relativism and PCism clouding their survival instinct.
People like johnmac should be applauded for having the guts to stand up and defend his country. Britain needs more people like you sir.
As night follows day...
What does he think they are ? democratically elected ? The west should show its strong support for democracy in the Muslim world by continuing to back dictatorships and shun democracirs.
Yeah, those democracirs need watching. Unpleasant fellows.
Jack Straw coincides and replicates Chamberlain of the 1930's. and you know the rest of the story!
As night follows day...
Posted by: Interested at April 20, 2006 12:08 PM
Like night following day the truth has a predictable tendency to keep turning up no matter what you try and do to cover it up.
Interested what I find amusing is how you seem to still be clinging to your fantasies, despite the overwhelming evidence that you are in a state of war and those that want to do you harm are the people you keep defending with your moral cowardice.
Thank goodness that the Britain of the 30's and 40's wasn’t made up of too many people of your persuasion, the Chamberlains of the day almost succeeded in defeating the country and you would surely be speaking 'germinglish' now had the people not woken up in time.
As it is you will no doubt end up speaking some form of Arabic and as you do you will look back on these times and wonder why you didn’t take the opportunity to fight back while you could.
Funny you should say that, since the BNP are neo-Nazis.
KM, I think you have shown your stripes. You are an intolerant bigot, and clearly your interest in the BNP is due to more than just an objection to Islam. You are incapable to answer your opponents anything except "you would be speaking German now" - a tired, dreary, pointless exercise in pseudohistorical self-satisfaction, and a sad retread of the old rubbish about without people like Senator McCarthy we would all be speaking Russian. It is not even true, since the Nazis tended to leave local languages in place, except for countries like Poland that had been marked for annihilation. And it is grotesque to use it as an argument for the BNP, a bunch of imitation Nazis who would be the only ones to draw any satisfaction from such developments. You have been peddling the BNP on these columns for months, and now we know why. But as I already said once or twice, I for one have no intention of swapping one kind of fascism for another, let alone at the instance of a fascist like you.
And to return to the subject of this thread - upon my word of honour, I cannot imagine why the Tory Blur keeps the man of straw in his post. It is not even as though they were in agreement. You don't suppose that Jack Straw has something on Cherie and is blackmailing her husband? I really cannot see any other logical reason for his continued political survival against all odds.
KM:
If you think Interested is unaware of the gravity of the situation, in the UK in particular, you clearly haven't read too many of his posts.
Truthspeaker:
What exactly is your point? Are you trying to be ironic about American support for Mushariff in Pakistan or the current regimes in Saudi Arabia and most of the Gulf States? Hamas may have been elected to office, but they are otherwise as totalitarian as the also "elected" government of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Not long before the elections, Hamas's religious policemen assassinated a young married couple travelling in a car with another married couple on the mere suspicion that they were violating chastity "laws". On assuming office, democratically elected Hamas declared that it had no intention of honouring any of the agreements signed by the PA that they didn't like and some of its honourable members were talking about imposing the jizya. And where else but in the PA would you find a candidate for office who funded her with blood money she accepted with pleasure for having offered up three of her sons to "martyrdom operations"?
Hamas is about as democratic as Adolf Hitler's Nazis, willing to use any means necessary to advance their agenda.
Straw, liberal, rapidly growing Muslimminority in his constituency, long history of dhimmitude, loser. Expected nothing more from him.
Who truly stands for principal and Universal Good in any world government right now? Anyone?
Leaders like Straw should be publicly flogged.
Unfortunately, there are no Churchill's leading the west any longer.
Funny you should say that, since the BNP are neo-Nazis.
Posted by: Interested at April 20, 2006 02:10 PM
So you keep saying but if this is true why do they have Jewish and non Muslim Arabic councilors. These are verifiable facts which you choose to ignore much like the state of your country and the damage multiculturalism is doing to the fabric of your society.
In order to change mine and many others viewpoint you have to prove that a state of war doesn’t exist between us and the Muslims and therefore the BNP's message is wrong. You also have to demonstrate that the BNP policies are inherently bad for those that wish to hold on to their traditions and culture, unverifiable statements like my boyfriend was beaten by BNP thugs just isn’t going to cut it.
Cultural relativists like yourself are perhaps more dangerous than the Muslims as you continue to enable their behavior by refusing to take concrete steps to stop their actions.
As such I think that you are being intellectually dishonest by posting here. Quislings operate at all levels and your reflexive responses to different political view points makes me suspect that you are some kind of foot soldier for the multiculturalists. When you learn that borders, language and culture are the bedrock for society we will probably see eye to eye. Until then you will end up a victim of your own cowardice and politically correct mental shackles.
John Howard of Australia seems to be the best of the bunch.
KM:
If you think Interested is unaware of the gravity of the situation, in the UK in particular, you clearly haven't read too many of his posts.
I have read many of her posts and I enjoy her dry wit and insight. However there is a specific reason that I continue to challenge interested and that reason is the gravity of the situation.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. I advocate protest voting as a means to speed up change, yet as soon as anyone mentions the nationalist parties she resorts to calling everyone racist and a fascist. This is incredibly short sighted in my opinion especially considering how close we are to total war.
Paulo
You have yet to convince me that you are not communist/socialist lackey and we have already seen who the Islamic authoraties told their congregations to vote for in the last Italian election, I will take any criticism you meter out with a pinch of salt.
you clearly haven't read too many of his posts.
Oh no, another sex change. I'm getting used to it, of course. Seeing Transamerica the other evening (woman - former desperate housewife with role-reversed husband - pretending to be man about to become a woman but with prosthesis) helped.
Paolo, you're quite right.
Km, here is an example of the BNP's "diversity" in action:
Enough.
More wise words on the rise of the BNP here.
as soon as anyone mentions the nationalist parties she resorts to calling everyone racist and a fascist
Nonsense. I have never done this.
Back on topic -
I found this on another blog.
This is revolting if true. Can anyone confirm any of this? Any comments?
Interested: apologies for the memory lapse.
KM: "desperate times and desperate measures"? Sounds rather like the justifications the Nazis used. As for BNP friendly Jews and Muslims, there may be some, but then there are loads of nihilistic Jews who believe in a one-state solution that won't result in the irradication of Jews from the Holy Land, Jewish Holocaust deniers like nutty Norman Finklestein, and countless Jews who are brutally critical of Israel and other Jews, but go deaf, dumb and blind about the significant failings of everyone else, so I fail to be impressed.
I will say no more on this for now, but I will bring your tub-thumping to Spencer's attention as I know he has no use for the kind of support to his cause that BNPers would bring.
Interested your article showing diversity in action in the BNP is from the Guardian, hardly a paragon in objective reporting. It doesn’t raise your eyebrow that non ethnic Britons are standing for the party Armenians, Jews and Hindus.
Regardless of what underlings in the party may feel about this, it doesn’t side step the fact that if the BNP were an inherently racist party they wouldn’t have any other members from different ethnic groups standing for election.
Your second post from the DT argues pretty much what I have been saying all along. So I fail to see why you get so upset whenever anyone mentions the BNP. It sounds to me like they are getting all their ducks in a row and are appealing to what the average joe Briton is asking for. The labour party used to be communist but they evolved over time to become a mainstream party, from my vantage point it looks like this is exactly what is happening in the UK with the BNP.
My premise is that this is a useful phenomenon which can be used right now to start fighting back against the dawa. If you understand how dangerous the current situation is then you will accept this fact and try and utilize it so that as a country you can start to fight back. And I want to emphasize the word fight here.
The Guardian was the first link I came across. This story was also reported in The Times, The Telegraph and the London Evening Standard.
The BNP does not allow non-whites as members. Which bit of that don't you get?
"More than 120,000 St George's Day leaflets with a picture of the England football team containing four black players have been sent out by the group, mainly to strong BNP areas in east London, the West Midlands, West Yorkshire and Lancashire.
At the last World Cup the BNP refused to support the English team because it had black players - and backed Denmark instead.
The leaflet says that as well as excluding black players such as Rio Ferdinand, the BNP would eject David Beckham, who is a quarter Jewish, and Wayne Rooney, who is of Irish descent."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/15/nbnp15.xml
Please notice that km has performed the miracle of getting me and interested together - not a small matter, given what I think of her. And that Granny Weatherwax, the wisest, funniest and most popular of us all from Pollution Island, is as firmly against him as anyone. He has been pushing this crap for months, misrepresenting himself as a disinterested observer when in fact his Fascism is becoming easier and easier to discern (notice the way that he insults people who do not bow down to his almighty wisdom). He has become anuisance. I think he is a troll and ought to be banned.
notice the way that he insults people who do not bow down to his almighty wisdom
Noted with interest and not a little amusement.
When push comes to shove we must all pull together.
And I must try not to mix my metaphors, and to avoid triteness.
Fainites, fellow JW/DWers?
Granny I usually have a lot of respect for your posts but your last one was disingenuous to say the least.
The way you have posted makes it sound like the BNP sent out this leaflet which if you check the facts was actually a campaign by search light an openly communist organization whose sole purpose is to discredit the BNP.
For a more balanced view on what is/was being said regarding your post I recommend.
http://www.ukcommentators.blogspot.com/
Scroll down there is a post on the council elections in the UK which provides more facts regarding the BNP and the English football team.
I am becoming very suspicious of what appears to be a coordinated campaign to discredit what looks like to me a legitimate political party with a legitimate political message. That message being Islam is a major threat to Britain’s current political landscape.
Your established politicians have lost the plot with respect to multiculturalism and as such the BNP appears to be picking up their lost support, good for them, especially if they can raise the issue of Islamic expansionism.
I am aware from checking the BNP website that they deny certain of the suggestions from the leaflet, and say that failing to support the national team is not the best way to win football supporters votes.
We shall see what happens in a fortnight from today.
"Straw ..the equivalent in the United States would be someone who had spent his formative youth as head of S.D.S. or possibly some Trotskyite faction hawking Maoist papers on the street"
My my, Hugh, you have offended Jack Straw.
On November 16th, 2004, UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw sent an extraordinary letter to the Independent newspaper. It was in reply to an article by Robert Fisk the previous Saturday. In a description of Yassir Arafat’s funeral, Fisk had disparagingly referred to Straw, who attended on behalf of the British government, as a former Trotskyist or “an old Trot.”
Straw responded to Fisk’s factually incorrect aside like a man accused of a heinous crime, stating that to call him a Trotskyist was “a malicious libel.” Far from being a former Trotskyist, Straw indicated that his political sympathies and training could be traced back to Stalinism.
“I have been consistent in my opposition to Trotskyism and the false consciousness it engenders. I was first taught to spot a Trot at 50 yards in 1965 by Mr. Bert Ramelson, Yorkshire industrial organiser of the Communist Party.” He added, “PS. Further reading Isaac Deutscher: Trotsky (3 vols). Left Wing Communism, an Infantile Disorder, V. I. Lenin 1919.” This latter book was, he claimed, “a prescient warning about Trotskyist adventurism.”
A week later, Straw was back in the letters column of the Independent on the same subject, responding to a number of letters attacking him. This time he accused Trotskyists of “revanchism, false consciousness and objectively counter-revolutionary tendencies.” He had, he said, been reading Lenin’s Collected Works in the Foreign Office library and found in Volume 17 an article Lenin wrote in 1914 entitled “Disruption of Unity under the Cover of Outcries for Unity.” Mixing this article together with a reference to Lenin’s article “Left Wing Communism” Straw accused Trotsky of “factionalism,” “splittism,” “ultra-leftism,” and “wider infantile disorders.” He added, “PS Quiz question: Name a successful Trotskyist government (or revolution, for that matter).”
Straw came under Ramelson's influence when he was a leader of the National Union of Students in Leeds. He was clearly grateful to Ramelson for providing him with weapons to use against his Trotskyist opponents from the arsenal of Stalinist slanders. Ramelson’s commitment to the communist party was unwavering. When he visited the Soviet Union in 1956 after Krushchev’s speech had partially acknowledged some of Stalin’s crimes, he was reunited with his sister who had stayed in the Ukraine. He had sent her a telegram in 1945 to tell her that he was still alive and received a reply that appeared to come from her, saying that she was well and would write more fully later. When they met face to face, he discovered that she had spent the last 20 years in a Stalinist labour camp, where her husband had died. Ramelson remained loyal to the party.
Straw’s letters have unintentionally drawn attention to the vital contribution made by the Communist Party to the Labour Party and Labour governments of the UK in the post-war period.
Straw hasn't well understood the articles and biographies he cited in his letters. If anything, they bring out Trotsky favorably as opposed to Stalinism. But as a Labour careerist amd bureaucrat, Straw is acutely aware of the dangers Trotskyism, (with among other things its eternal revolution), poses potentially within his own ranks and for party discipline. He remains more of a Stalinist apparatchick, not anything that could remotely risk developing an independent political consciousness.
He's a stalinist, not trotskyte...
"I am becoming very suspicious of what appears to be a coordinated campaign to discredit what looks like to me a legitimate political party with a legitimate political message."
Look, man, I know that you fascists are fond of conspiracy theories, but really, are you mad, on meths, or have you just fallen out of a tree? Are you seriously insinuating that Interested, Granny and I are part of a conspiracy whose sole purpose is to discredit the valiant warriors of the BNP with their shaven heads and Nazi imagery? I tell you, check in at the nearest clinic immediately; whatever is the matter with you is serious.
Look, dolt, the BNP is not of yesterday. They have been around since the eighties. We all know what it is. We have known it for decades, and for decades it has consistently been the refuge of thugs, racists, homophobes (the genuine article, not the kind invented by the left to silence Christians and others they do not like) and brutes of every sort. A track record is a track record; and wherever you found homosexuals or blacks being beaten or murdered, you found a member or a sympathizer of the BNP. I admit that it is now led by a smart and personable crook, Nick Griffin; and that Griffin has been smart enough to try and cover the subversion, violence and racism of his followers by hammering on the one point of Islam. But a murderous pack of hyenas does not change its spots so easily, and nobody takes the public new moderation of Griffin. The party is still the same, its members are still the same, they look the same. If it waddles like a duck and it quacks like a duck, I think we are all justified in taking it to be a duck.
UKIP, though I oppose its main thrust, stands a much better chance of becoming a genuine vehicle for the neglected cultural conservatives of the island; and it is interesting that you never even try to assess whether this party, that has won elections in the past and has three MEPs in the Strassburg parliament, could be a better option than the BNP, which crow with triumph when they manage to win a local by-election and who, currently, do not have a single local councillor across England. Your complete neglect of a genuine and viable party such as UKIP shows that you are not really looking for a suitable forum, but rather trying to find reasons to promote the one you have already chosen. I said you are a Fascist, and you prove it further by every distortion and neglect of facts in which you indulge.
Nevertheless, I suggest you give it a rest. As long as you are hectoring people who know the UK better than you ever will. If you had any sense, you would listen to Granny and Interested and me, instead of postulating ridiculous conspiracy theories. But that is what one would expect from a FAscist such as you.
Your complete neglect of a genuine and viable party such as UKIP shows that you are not really looking for a suitable forum, but rather trying to find reasons to promote the one you have already chosen. I said you are a Fascist, and you prove it further by every distortion and neglect of facts in which you indulge.
Posted by: Paolo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 20, 2006 06:36 PM
I have never failed to entertain the idea of the UKIP, however my position has always been that they refuse to name the enemy. They may mention immigration as being an issue but they do not specifically mention Islamism.
I personally have no issue with immigration provided those that do decide to immigrate immerse themselves in their host culture and forget about transforming their new home into a version of what they just left behind (when in Rome as the saying goes). Despite it’s own problems the American model has been much more successful at achieving this and should be looked at more closely by the Europeans.
Also on what fact have I been wrong when inquiring about and arguing for the BNP I have used legitimate news sources for all my arguments and have yet to see anyone here refute that evidence, for example the use of Jewish and Armenian councilors and collaborations with Hindus and Sikhs. If they have councilors and collaborations from different races how are they racist?
And why would my questioning other people’s political opinion make me a fascist. All I am saying is there seems to be a knee jerk reaction to the words BNP and I have yet to see any unbiased evidence which supports these reactions. Am I just supposed to take your word for it, that’s akin to me just taking a Muslims word on Islam, now tell me would you do that.
I guess I should apologize for assuming you were Italian but from our last exchanges that was the impression I got. I would still wager that you are a socialist/communist that is trying to reconcile the failure of multiculturalism with the socialist model. Good luck there.
And again for the record I am in no way against multiracial societies it is multiculturalism that I believe is the problem particularly for Europe. Why don’t you try and prove me wrong instead of resorting to name calling. That is just a sign that you have lost the argument and have no other recourse but to belittle your opponent through personal attack.
And again my challenge to you is that you have to show that the nationalist parties would be detrimental to the fight against Islamic imperialism.
Well we all realise of course Strawman has a deep and profound intellectual grasp of the mystical arts of (brown-nosing) sorry diplomacy !!.Therefore we should be grateful of his leadership and insight when representing his local ayatollahs (oops Constistuents) and country in this rush for Dhimmitude to a culture that offers only equality , peace and harmony ...instead of the deviant morally bankrupt one we have today !!
I'd rather deal with a devil from within than a devil from without.
We might need our own 'fascists' in the coming years. Don't be so quick to condemn them.
Rough times ahead....
reading the above comment from Hugo about jack Straw as a sincere, committed Stalinist, I am reminded that both "right" and "left" today share much in common. Indeed, much of the "right's" and "left's" ideological origins come from the German philosophy of Kant, Hegel, and Fichte and Treitschke. Just recall that all of these were Judeophobic, as was d'Holbach who wrote in French. As for myself, I don't believe in the notion of a political spectrum. It is so simplistic as to seriously lead the public astray and bewilder them as to what is really going on. What is really going on is the destruction of civilzation, sometimes faster, sometimes slower.