Here is today's Quote Of The Day at the Booker Rising blog, with thanks to Olivia:
"At one time it appeared that Europeans had no difficulty understanding why masses of Muslims must never be allowed to group within European borders. The history of the Muslim conquest of large sections of the Continent, and the eventual expulsion of said Muslims, was not some meaningless fairy tale. That earlier experience with the sons of Muhammad seemed to teach Westerners that Islam is a civilization unto itself, whose masses come to plant their way of life, not to be absorbed by or assimilated into another. Europe's committed assimilationists would, no doubt, be offended by Japan, whose officials declare they will never allow Japanese society to be overtaken by alien cultures. How did today's Europeans devolve into such a benighted condition that they would prefer to beat up on Brigitte Bardot, rather than listen to truth? The desire of commercial interests for ongoing sources of cheap labor is primarily why feckless Westerners now put their territories in danger and throw open their borders to alien populations. And then there is the ordinary European who, over several decades, much like his American counterpart, has been socialized to fixate on cleansing himself of possible sins of the mind, which might inspire 'white supremacist' thoughts. Anxious to show his zealous commitment to 'diversity,' lest anyone mistake him for a skeptic of the West's new multicultural religion, this man's fear of being labeled 'racist' far surpasses all other concerns. And so he sits and observes as one region after another of his homeland falls under the sway of foreigners. This time the Muslims did not have to come with a sword to conquer." — Elizabeth Wright, black conservative editor of Issues & Views
Two highly plausible motives listed there:
I suppose there may be a third reason in the case of Europe (as opposed to North America). The desire to create "Eurabia" as a power-bloc to oppose the US.
I don't know much about the "Eurabia" hypothesis - except what Oriana Fallaci says in The Force of Reason. But I did notice the other day that Fjordman had said that France had been the main instigator of the idea.
That prompts another thought - tell me I'm wrong, please: France didn't sponsor this idea because of its chauvinistic attitude towards les Anglo-Saxons, did it?
This isn't rather like the determination of the Quebecquois - who seem still to be smarting over the Seven Years War - to take in Francophone speakers (regardless of their cultural affiliations) many of whom represent a far greater danger to French-Canadian culture than any merely non-Francophone Christian, Jew, or Buddhist ever could, is it?
Successive French administrations (note, I didn't say "the French" - I don't like to collectivize guilt) haven't undone France out of chauvinism and piqued pride, have they?
Yojimbo,
Could it also be because the Europeans are seeing with the USA going through with the situation of the " open borders " and the illegels here and the growing backlash against them, that they ( the Europeans ) want to do the opposite and embrace the Muslims?
The West seriously needs to look at it's policies and develop a better perspective on the worlds future.
We are ruled by 'liberals' who are so concerned with not offending others that they allow people who have only one aim to storm our borders. It's like living in a castle and having the enemy's troops come over one by one and welcoming them, feeding and clothing them and then when they become 20-30% of the castles population, hoping that they wont turn on you so you change the rules in the castle to accommodate them and tell your people to be nice to them and make 'allowances for thier behaviour', and allow them to have many babies and support them etc. Why? OUT OF FEAR, BECAUSE THE PANDORAS BOX IS OPENED.
Then the rulers of that castle send a large proportion of the food from his people to a far away land that he has heard is ravaged by a drought which happens every 10 - 20 years. Most of those people are saved and then have 4-8 babies per mother and in 12 years on the leader of that castle will again send aid to triple the original number of people living in that far away land.
Meanwhile back at the castle the original inhabitants are made to teach their children a biased history of when the men from that castle generations ago used to go and conquer other lands and that the new people are decendants of those lands and that now we cannot argue with them as we are wrong because of the past and so we must be humble around them.
What future do most 'sane' people hold for the original inhabitants of that castle?
Within a few generations the original inhabitants of that castle will be a minority and fade into history.
ITS HAPPENING IN EUROPE! NOW NOW NOW
"But I did notice the other day that Fjordman had said that France had been the main instigator of the idea.
That prompts another thought - tell me I'm wrong, please: France didn't sponsor this idea because of its chauvinistic attitude towards les Anglo-Saxons, did it?"
Yes and Yes.
Assalamau-Laikum all,
This time Islam did not come with a sword....
...and there is no need. Why bother with the sword..when peaceful means are there within Islam....a religion of peace.
We muslims were invited by the West to do work which you considered to menial...we were always going to go back...it was always meant to be temporary...a bit of cash....and that's it.
Well I did go back ...but lots of them don't.
There are no real immigration restrictions, & the youngesters like the mix...infedel womens seem to like muslims a lot....and then ofcourse there is the tenets in the Koran too...about Islam dominating in the West too....about the saints of Islam being buried in Eurabia and ISA.
The fact that some facts (Earth is flat) in the Koran are wrong...doesn't seem to matter much.
Our Fard is to serve Allah SWT ...peacefully ....muslims have to do nothing violent....just live as we do in the West and all will be revealed within 50 years.
After all we are literally exporting Islamic holy ground (oil) to fuel your SUVs...it is only proper to have some of us too.
It was your forefathers that gave us the taste of better living, the seeds of keeping the locals down...
The only difference....you will be the locals...well for a bit anyway.
Learn the Koran...it will be of value ...conversion will be easier if you understand the glories of Allah SWT and Islam...prepare for Islam...it's gonna be a blast.
The only part the essayist missed was the media, TV in particular.
MARSHALL MCLUHAN DIDN'T KNOW HIS MOSLEMS BUT HE SAW 'EM COMING MO TV
The television, the radio, and, yes, the Marxist newspapers have replaced right & wrong and good & bad with inoffensive & offensive. And they pulled this off without even asking our permission.
A pox on Steven Spielberg's house, the dumbass.
They might not have needed the sword to come but they are going to need one to stay.
prepare for Islam...it's gonna be a blast.
Oh yes, we all know what sort of blast Islam specialises in.
I prefer the blast of the trumpet myself.
'...And then there is the ordinary European who, over several decades, much like his American counterpart, has been socialized to fixate on cleansing himself of possible sins of the mind,
or rather: An imaginary sin committed by his people, by his country or by his 'race'which might inspire 'white supremacist' thoughts.
Anxious to show his zealous commitment to 'diversity,' lest anyone mistake him for a skeptic of the West's new multicultural religion, this man's fear of being labeled 'racist' far surpasses all other concerns. And so he sits and observes as one region after another of his homeland falls under the sway of foreigners. This time the Muslims did not have to come with a sword to conquer."
The fear of being called "racist" surpasses all other concerns (how true is that!) Take the Andrew Bolt's of this world, take your favorite media- commentators in the US, Europe, Australia or anywhere that matters, and you'll find they are all shitting themselves over this 'racist thing', instead of taking it head on, instead of going right into the destruction of the ideology of Islam, which is anything but rocket-science, they prefer to create smoke-screens, insurmountable walls around the minds of those who should be concerned with protecting us from harm...
prepare for Islam...it's gonna be a blast.
ye we´ll blast it into oblivion were it should have went before now ,just like all the other absurd sects that have come and gone.
The only reason that its still around is that the arabs are just stupid enough to swallow it - what a bunch!
Naseem,
You overestimate your cause and underestimate the infidel. The Ummah has neither the resources nor the unity nor the intellect to seize the Dar al Harb. It is the infidels' to lose - not to be won by al-mu'minum. Buying into the idea that the cause of Allah is destined for the world is a mistake. Position yourself better for the future.
The car al Islam has driven too fast for its dim headlights and is rushing into the night.
Your statement: [Muslims need to ] just live as we do in the West and all will be revealed within 50 years.
That would have been true if the muslim man could wait patiently. Fortunately for the rest of us (including you) the muslim man is in control of nothing - especially himself. He will be the ruin of Islam - not the moral decay coming from the West through the satellite TV. The Muslim man will destroy dar al Islam. I agree that 'All will be revealed within 50 years' , yes. I think it will happen sooner - more like the next 15. Your prophesy will probably come true, but will turn out opposite of how you see it.
You predict change but don't you realize it could easily mean that dar al Harb will grow and not the other way around? The feeling in the United States has changed. Thanks to the idiots who couldn't wait and had to riot in France and then the rest of them during the cartoon riots, some people in the United States have taken notice and adjusted their thinking. These same people have left the hope that they simply misunderstood 'the religion of peace.' Far fewer people think that Islam can reform itself or that the moderate, reasonable "silent majority" of Islam exists. They see the vocal majority issue threats over pencil drawings. They understand now.
The number of common people who understand peace comes when 'all religion is for Allah' is growing. The forces against jihadis continue to grow. The statements coming out of the Middle East, ranging from sources like the Iranian Supreme leader to the Grand Ayatolla al-Sistani all the way over to Hamas are waking the rest of us up.
All will be revealed sooner than 50 years. Thanks Muslim Man in the Street! Thanks for showing us how you truly operate!
Hi Naseem:
If you're going to continue to fish in this pond, you might want to freshen your bait a little. It, like many of your correligionists, has been out in the sun too long.
Johnmac - you are correct sir. We're dealing with a seventh century system here. The have no flexibility in action or thought. Words are all they have - threatening words. they have neither the means nor the will nor the intellect to assume control of the infidel world. However, the rigidity of their collective mind won't admit to it. They are in dangerous position.
They are truly lucky that we would rather pay for oil than seize it.
They will take it all for granted and attribute it to 'the Will of Allah' like everything else. They will overstep the line. We in the west don't really have that line demarcated but once they overstep it, the west will no longer show restraint. I don't want it to come to this. The only way to get it to stop before we get to that point is to make sure we in the West really think about how far we should let this go (before we get there) we need to set the boundaries and enforce them: physical, social, financial and every other dimension. We need to choke them off.
If we don't they will force the issue and the West will just react violently. We need to define the situation in real terms. Western leadership hasn't done this yet and has asked nothing of the people in the way of effort or sacrifice, really.
The rest of the world needs to fence in dar al Islam in every concievable way. This needs to be explained and understood.
Naseem...Rots of ruck...Immigrate, multiply like rabbits. When the numbers are up, take over. This is about as peaceful as cancer. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cant fool all of the people all of the time.
That technique only works when the original inhabitants are asleep. The west is waking up and some radical surgery may be required.
Your right, it is going to be a blast...
Hey Alarmed Pig Farmer... you said:
A pox on Steven Spielberg's house, the dumbass.
How about changing your curse around a little?
A plague on all Spielberg's houses instead?
Spielberg has more than one, to be sure, and plague is still wild out in the world. Pox has been vanquished thanks to the West
(pay attention Naseem, et al, thank the West for one less punishment Allah has for you in this world. Now if you had water treatment plants, sanitary sewers and would accept the saltpeter innoculations from the World Health Organization you'd have lots of other disease to cross off the list... Sorry I used the word 'cross' may the curse of Allah be upon me - I am a cross worshipper.)
Naseem,
Better chill out and realize that the real glories is going in the direction of the Christian faith. This coming Saturday night, many people around the world will be coming into the Christian and Catholic faiths the very night before the holy day of the Resurection of Christ, Easter. Even the passing of Pope John Paul II a year earlier has spured people to join the Church. The faith that is growing is the Christian faith.
Naseem,
Here is a URL that is posted below the above posting :
http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=87498
one of my posts disapeared - is someone deleteing posts - I hope not
Dear JohnMac:
In fact, two of your posts disappeared.
Comments are unmoderated, but a reader kindly alerted me to your use of the word "Muzzies." We do not approve of the use of such words here, as we consider them counterproductive: they give ammunition to the jihadists and their allies in their attempts to discredit this site, and they obscure the fact that ours is a struggle for the dignity and rights of all people.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
I agree with "apalgueonbothhouses".
Muslim males lack self controle more than any other religious/ethnic group.
The reasons for this are very clear and simple
Unlike in most other cultures these men are raised by females who've neither the power nor the authority to instill self-discipline, self controle and behavioral bounderies.
Every caprice and whim, thus, is accommodated and catered to so that by the time the male offspring are 6 years old they're spoiled and largely useless.
Anyone who's lived in the Middle East and has had a chance to observe the "work ethic" of the locals will know what I'm talking about.
Listen to the rhetoric spouted by muslim-majority nations and their male representatives. Proud, arrogant, over-the-top gasbags incapable of building or creating anything and imbued with what is really a sociopathic-type "opinion" that they're perfect
A brat will always think himself "perfect".
It is any wonder, then, that the islamic world is incapable of self criticism, self examination and soul-searching, and so lacking in empathy for the "other"?
Without these critical capacities, this mental "fuel", the muslim world finds itself unable to either change or evolve. It is incapable of any sort of constructive, positive autonomy.
So we baby-sit them, we feed them ( the islamic world doesn't grow enough food to feed itself) and, in some case, we even medicate them.
By denigrating and trashing the women, by denying them any power or authority, the arabo/muslim male has himself ended up trashed, diminished, denigrated and devoid of any capacity for remorse.
And let's remember, here, that the values, morals and behavior so essential to a civil soceity are ALWAYS transmitted by the females.
Naseem,
prepare for Islam...it's gonna be a blast
LOL! Reminds me, I need to get another fire extinguisher for my car.
ok robert point taken I will be more careful in future with my terminology - the fact is I was not aware that it was derogatory - I thought it was a kind of nice word - though I was being sarcastic!!
By denigrating and trashing the women, by denying them any power or authority, the arabo/muslim male has himself ended up trashed, diminished, denigrated and devoid of any capacity for remorse.
And let's remember, here, that the values, morals and behavior so essential to a civil soceity are ALWAYS transmitted by the females.
AMEN Brother John Palubiski.
Women need to be elevated - not subjugated.
Women need to be respected - not molested.
When we have more Wafa Sultans who can spank their little boys and tell their men to 'sit down and shut up' then we'll be half way there.
Send them home Wafa Sultan!
Nassem
Read your post in a previous thread. Can you expand on which parts of the Koran you do not believe are true?
Thanks Beagle for the important safty reminder.
Nazz, Nazz, Nazz,
"It's gonna be a blast."
Wrong choice of words considering the blast that the French had with Islam and Muslims.
Chatilion made a good point that you should consider. Change the bait on your Islam fish hook. The fish ain't bitin'! Too many of us see Islam as demostraited on the evening news. I mean with the Shia and Sunnis going at each other in Iraq, the Afghanis trying to murder a man because he left Islam, and the way you Muslims cut up over a bunch of cartoons and are still doing so. Islam is a hard sale. Right now you couldn't sale Islam if you added a Mercedes-Benz CLS600 and a Maybach 65 at no cost to the convert.
But God bless you anyway, Naseem.
A nice cartoon here
http://uppompeii.blogspot.com/
The author of the cartoons, for obvious reasons, wishes to stay anon.
Ironman Hondo:
Dar al Islam is the armpit of the world by objective, modern standards of sanitation, health, governance, matters of conscience and decorum, for that matter.
Car al Islam is a lemon.
you're right - people won't be buying it anymore
when the Soccer Moms begin discussing matters like this it's over man....
"And let's remember, here, that the values, morals and behavior so essential to a civil soceity are ALWAYS transmitted by the females."
John Palubiski:
I think your point here is extremely important. What we need in the West is an intensive outreach program to Moslem women living in the West.
These people are likely isolated, intimidated, afraid, hard to reach. The job of contacting them will be difficult and perhaps dangerous. But they are the ones who can change the culture. They are the ones who are presently subjugated and may benefit from at least the awareness that other, wholesome alternative exist in the lives, now that they are in the West. Just behind Islam's toehold in the West is its Achille's heel: justice for women.
Is it any coincidence that women such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Irshad Manji are among the most eloquent advocates of Islamic reform?
the old saying: The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world....
"This time the Muslims did not have to come with a sword to conquer."
I think this is a misleading assertion, for two closely related reasons:
The danger of non-violent Muslim immigration and consequent transformation of non-Muslim culture
1) is occurring within a surrounding context of Muslim violence around the globe, violence that is both actual and constantly potential (often thwarted by intelligence agents behind the scenes), violence that is horrific, unpredictable, and could happen anywhere;
2) will not be able to achieve its ultimate goal of transforming non-Muslim society into a society based on Islamic laws without a physically violent military takeover at some point.
To those who would dispute my points I ask them: show me one instance from history where Muslims were able to take over another society without physical violence (whether outright military conquest or a long series of low-level commando-type attacks) being a part of the strategy.
We return to the original quote that emblazons this thread: "This time the Muslims did not have to come with a sword to conquer." That is simply, baldly, flat-out wrong.
Agreed Chatillon. A few women have spoken out, but the consequences of doing so are severe.
As far as reaching out to muslim women here in The West; I'm just not that optimistic.
In Canada, for instance, mosques that once tolerated gender mixing just a few years back have now adopted policies of sex-segregation.
If the Islamic world would give back to women the right to discipline their male offspring many problemes would be solved. Probleme is, such a plan of action would more than likely destroy Islam.
Plague said "By denigrating and trashing the women, by denying them any power or authority, the arabo/muslim male has himself ended up trashed, diminished, denigrated and devoid of any capacity for remorse".
It is true there are evil small minded men who have little respect for womens...many think they are 4 a penny (excuse the pun)and I have to say that Islam has quite a few of these low life scum.
However you CANNOT give too much power & authority to womens...our emotional state, weak physical frame & unpredicitibly while being the most important "resource" cannot be allowed to run amok.
The West will lose all because the womens "tried to rule" with the heart. This together with a falling birthrate will put paid to western ambition.
While in Islamic states there will be no such problems with our womens, they accept thier position because this is ordained by Allah...and they don't want to upset the balance.
Allah SWT does indeed work in mysterious ways.
Peace & jilbabs be with you.
Naseem - can Muslimahs do any worse than the Muslims? I can't see how.
Please read sirat rasul and the adhadith about Mohammed and his mother. Mohammed's mother abandoned him more than once. Mohammed sought revenge later for his abuse through the revelations of Allah.
Mohammed couldn't stop and pray at his mother's grave even as an adult. Mohammed punishes all women for the sins of his mother.
However you CANNOT give too much power & authority to womens...our emotional state, weak physical frame & unpredicitibly while being the most important "resource" cannot be allowed to run amok. - Nasseem
"Emotional state" ... While not denying the differences in how the genders are wired, a lot of emotional stability has to do with societal expectations.
If it's considered "ok" for someone-- of either gender-- to fly off the handle (see the wife-beating thread above) for one reason or another, they generally will.
What results is circular reasoning: Person X allegedly can't control himself because it's not in his nature (or because someone else suggested it), so his failure of self-control confirms his "natural" instinct.
"Weak physical frame" ... Speak for yourself. ;)
"Unpredictability" ... Not a gender-specific trait. The only way I can think that it manifests itself specifically among the women in my family (myself included) is verbal-- in the form of the occasional non sequitur of epic proportions. Y'know, I haven't played skeeball in ages...
PS-- apologies for misspelling your name. One of my pet peeves.
Naseem dear,
I worry for you. In your frail, emotionally labile state who knows what you might say or do. I suggest a fainting couch, a nice cup of tea, and a volume of Sylvia Plath poetry ("Daddy" is most fitting). I'm sure tomorrow will look much brighter.
David, is that you?
It amazes me how Eurpeans refuse t see the truth and insist on seeing the world as they wish it to be. I work with a fella from Germany and we were talking the other day about socialism. He refused to admit socialism was a failed concept and insisted the US was going down the tube for being too capitalist. I think Europeans are just too arrogant to admit they are wrong and will stick with a bad idea,be it socialism, cultural marxism, self loathing, as long as it is their idea. Escpecially Germans, they cant see their entire country is being destroyed and the only thing that comes out of their mouths is how bad off the US is. In forty years time there won't be a European country that won't wish to be as bad off as the US is today.
Carolyn2, I just can't stand it, who is David?
Europe, the birthplace of "History" (Herodotus, Xenophon, etc.) failed to teach its post-WW II children this subject with any depth or seriousness.
Thermopylae? Charles Martel? The croissant? Ottoman Empire? Lepanto? Constantinople/Istambul?
They reap the bloody crop of their bloodless education: Creeping Sharia Law.
The first invader ever openly invited into their enemy's land, put on the dole, allowed to establish base camps (mosques), and bowed down to as de facto conquerors while still less than 10% of the population.
Europa, riding the bull of Islam.
Afraid to dismount.
Naseem, I have to ask: why do you taunt, provoke, and make subtle threats? When I read your posts, I can almost visualize the smirk on your face when you press the "post" button. What's up with you?
You're not even a muslim yourself, so why do you play games with us? The super-muslims have decreed that your sect is not legitimate, so you're no better than we are in the eyes of the holier-than-thou heathens who worship a mythical demon prophet and the deity he invented. Furthermore, I doubt if you are even a faithful believer in the pseudo version of islam that you claim to practice.
I don't think you believe in islam any more than I do.
Ronin, David is an Aussie that posts on LGF in the guise of Aisha. Naseem seems to be a lesson in herself...warning us with phrases such as "Peace & jilbabs be with you." The term is froll (faux troll)
Susanp says "You're not even a muslim yourself,"
I resent that untrue remark. I am muslim....everybody except the muslims recognise that..indeed brother Mohideen himself recognised me as a muslim ...and is probably spreading the good news as we converse.
Susanp says "Furthermore, I doubt if you are even a faithful believer in the pseudo version of islam that you claim to practice".
This is a bit like Newtons laws. They apply everywhere except in quantum physics. A few phrases in teh Quaran are wrong...probably because Mohd decided that he knew these things ...ie extenstions to what Allah SWT pushed down to him. I can see that now. But what about all the good stuff? I cannot say I am an unbeliever...I am not Kafur or Infedel...I am by my definition ....a good muslim.
Sabaah alkhayr ya Naseem,
I was considering your reply to Susanp and I have a question for you. First, let me say you are the first and only muslim I have ever seen who admitted they thought portions of the koran might be incorrect. That took real strength and I commend you for it. My question is simply this: If you are free to read the koran and pick the portions you consider correct and toss the portions you do not agree with, then all of us who have read the koran and regularly post on this list are also good muslims? I read it and chose not to believe a single word but since I can pick the portions to I want to believe or not, then I am by your own admission a good muslim. I might just have to start using my Imam title again. As I await your response, I will consider my role as a new muslim and try and figure away to gently break it to all the regulars on the list, that was are all now muslims. I expect a few to take it harshly. Tahiyaati li aa’iltak
susanp and ronin
Nasseem is not a muslim in any conventional sense, even of the Ahmadiya variety. For a start she does nor believe that the koran is correct in the absolute. Second, she abbreviated Mohammed to Mohd, and worse did not attach "pbuh" to his name.
Nasseem is really concerned at the growing influence of islam in the West, for it poses a direct threat to her.
DP111:
I don't think when Naseem references "Mohd" that she is referencing Mohammed, but rather the moonbatty Mohideen Ibrahimsha.
As for what concerns Naseem may or may not have about the spread of Islam in the west, she's not particularly rational or coherent in thought, but then she wrote something on another recent DW thread to the effect that women aren't particularly mentally together, clearly assuming that we are all as mushy-headed as she is.