Of course, the New Duranty Times, aka the New York Times, does not regard as fit to print, in connection with this story, any mention of Qur'an 4:34 -- even though that verses commands that disobedient wives be beaten. Yet the existence of this verse in Islam's holy book is the primary reason why the practice is taken for granted as acceptable by so many in the Islamic world.
DAMASCUS, Syria, April 10 — Syria's first comprehensive field study of violence against women has concluded that nearly one married woman in four surveyed had been beaten. The study was released last week as part of a report on Syria by the United Nations Development Fund for Women.The findings have been published in local news media, helping to draw attention to topics, like domestic abuse and honor killings, that have long been considered taboo in this conservative society.
The study was carried out under the supervision of the quasi-governmental General Union of Women, which oversees the welfare of Syria's women. The study included nearly 1,900 families, selected as a random sample, including a broad range of income levels and all regions. The men and women in each family were questioned separately.
"In Syria there was simply no data on violence against women; formal studies hadn't ever been done before," said Shirin Shukri, a manager of the project at the United Nations regional office in Amman, Jordan. "The issue of violence against women was kept silent here for many years. But we're making people in Syria aware that this is something that happens everywhere in Europe, in Asia, in the United States, and this is opening up discussion."
Hana Qaddoura, a spokeswoman for the General Union of Women, said that breaking the silence on domestic abuse was an essential first step to combating violence. Many Syrians, she said, do not believe that violence in the home "counts" as violence.
"There are some forms of violence against women that our society doesn't even see as violence," Ms. Qaddoura said. "It all depends very much on education and income level, but many people see a woman who is beaten as being in a bad relationship; they don't see her as a victim of violence."
and 75% were not allowed to respond...
Allah commands men to beat their women if they suspect dissent from them.
Mohammed struck his women, including his favorite Ayesha.
Ayesha testified to Muslim women being something like 'shades of green' if I recall and that they suffer more than pagan women did in her time.
If Allah commands it and Mohammed did it - it must be good for all times and places.
Q.E.D.
We all know how muslims tend to inflate their numbers..1.4 to 2 billion of them, just to make themselves look better. And I'm going to venture a guess, that, something they aren't too proud to let the world know, is going to be stated as much less.
I would also venture a guess that, if a person is violent to his neighbors,and supports violence toward others, he's going to be likewise violent to the less strong in his family.
Muslim males are such sawed down, disgraceful little bullies, aren't they?
Pathetic.
If you can't join them, then beat them. Right Mr.Islam man?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18370
Women are key in the anti-jihad.
I read your post Yojimbo.
"A MAN'S HONOR LIES BETWEEN A WOMAN'S LEGS".
This sentence almost makes me insane.
They apparently have no honor in getting an education, getting a good job, buying your first car, raising a HEALTHY (mind, body and soul) child, since their cult is only interested in forced sex.
These men are impotent in the head. And their cult reinforces it.
Yes, it's appalling. And these men are also, in a sense, victims of themselves, although they would never be able to see it.
The paradox of despotism:
If you reduce a person to the status of a thing, you're caught yourself.
"A thing, unlike a person, cannot grant one recognition and approval"
- and, actually, that is what we all seek.
Unfortunately, so far as I can see, one can't "rescue" people from this situation. Here - among much else - is the story of one man who "rescued" himself and then his mother and his father, thus completing a kind of circle of completeness:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13230
I can't help but observe that his mother was an American, which, it seems to me, may have meant that his early life-experiences were not quite like those of his compatriots, because of the influence of American culture via his mother. It is a heart-warming story, but not an encouraging one.
I am not sure that this report adds any new information regarding Violence to woman which I know exists across many cultural boundaries and is not just the monoply of Moslem men.
Perhaps it is the blatant openess and acceptance that this sort of beahaviour is okay that upsets us here in the West.
but it does seem that this attitude towards woman from Middle Eastern men is very deeply entrenched.
Whilst living in Frankfurt am Main, Germany I had the opportunity of speaking with several Turkish men. The consesus was that they regarded woman as being of limited status.
One even said that the more that woman were allowed to obtain the status of men, then the world was likely to become more chaotic and disorderly.
He also stated that it was the duty of men to contain woman, as they were apt to fits of irrational behaviour.
one wonders which woman he had met in order to come to these conlusions, for I meet many woman who work in the Scientific community and they just do not exhibit this type of behaviour.
I am therefore forced to come to the conclusion that this is taught from birth and that the literary guide being used is the Qu'ran.
The catholics did something similar, however we fotunately had the Renaissance and this allowed us to escape the shackles of our religious dogma, and make statements against the church without fear of being executed.
I fear Islam, still not having had its Renaissance is locked in the past, full of fear and without the means by which to move into a more equitable society.
Ah, "Peter"
What are you today? A Briton again? Or are you back to being an American citizen, "Peter"?
On the contrary, the post did add some "new information".
And, on the contrary, "the Catholics" never have "behaved similarly".
One swallow does not make a summer; and the fact that some men in some other societies are also abusive, is an irrelevance.
When I hear the phrase the UN finds my eyes glaze over and quit listening.
Shouldn't this number be closer to, say, 99%?
The remaining Syrian Moslem wife would be the one with the husband who was run over by Mercedes down by the souk, paralyzed into quadriplegia that horrible accident, and left unable to lift his arms or kick his legs.
These men are impotent in the head.
That may be so, freewoman, but if I were you I'd bite my tongue and watch what you say.
If you ever take a vacation to Saudi or Yemen or wherever one of these strong Moslem Men might remember what you said, and kick your butt for offending Mohammed (pbuh).
And then maybe rape you for good measure and also so as to ensure full religious compliance with God's commandment in Koran 33:21 The Coalition (Yusufali):
Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.
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2 or 3 years ago, I read an account of a Left-wing, feminist Professor in which she blamed the abusiveness of Muslim men towards their women on....(wait for it)....the humilities of colonialism and neo-colonialism. In other words, it's the white man's fault.
1400 years of Islamic history had no bearing whatsoever on her reasoning. And of course, she's teaching our youth.
Don't worry APF, I don't do third world countries.
Betcha though, I'd be the only baseball bat wielding burka clad woman in the M.E....naw, I can't do burkas.
Yojimbo
You may well ask, English or American ?
In truth I am both (dual nationality I think they call it), the influence of both cultures is much a part of me as for those who have lived in more than one country for long periods of time.
As far as the Catholics go, history tells a remarkably parallel story of conquests in the name of faith, the only differecne is, they were not caught on video, but are remembered by the cultures who suffered from their presence.
what you seem to be saying regarding the subject of violence towards woman is that as long as its in the form of an idealogical accepted way of life in one culture, it can be critcised, but even though it is present in other cultures and not acceptable, it makes it (to the point of irrelavance) less important.
If this is what you ar saying then I would tend to disagree, VAW is wrong anywhere under any circumstances, and what is irrelavent is whether that culture has it written into its laws so as to give us some justification in critising it.
Without knowing this reality, most of the white cacusian girls fall into the trap of the Muslim men, who are allowed to tell lies to entice a woman in the form of "thaqiya" .I have read this in the sunnas as to when this taqiya is to be used by a Muslim.
A Muslim can tell lies,cheat a non-Muslim if:
1. The reputaion of Islam is under threat.Muslims can pretend to be 'moderates',who hates the actions of the fanatic Muslims.
2. If a Muslim has to protect himself,or gain entry into a non-muslim contry.(Many Muslims pretend they have converted to other religion,for which they are harassed in their county,and seek 'refugee'status in a Christin country).
3.In case of a non-Muslim woman ( to entice her ,and tell lies to her that he will convert to her religion,as he hates Islam,and after marriage,show his true colours.)
So it is the duty of the relative/friend of a any Christian woman,who is dating a Muslim man,the dangers ahead to her. It is not so easy to come out of Islam,once you accept it. See the case of Bro. Abdul Rehman- Hw would have been killed but for the timely help of the Western leaders. Even then,he was not allowed to take custody of his two daughters,and was branded as insane.
PETER: "If this is what you ar saying then I would tend to disagree, VAW is wrong anywhere under any circumstances, and what is irrelavent is whether that culture has it written into its laws so as to give us some justification in critising it."
Whether a culture has legalized spousal abuse "written into its laws" or not is hardly irrelevant.
Punishment happens to be a deterrant to crime.
See this? I wonder if Asma knows who she is named after? And she is so happy to be spreading funda"mental" islam in the name of all hijabed women who are not allowed to leave their homes.
I thought Denmark was going to be saved. Guess not.
http://democracyfrontline.org/news/?p=346
First Hijab-clad Presenter on Danish TV -
Posted by Hodja in Headlines (Tuesday April 4, 2006 at 10:07 am)
A big controversy is emerging these days in Denmark. The biggest national public service TV-station DR (Denmarks Radio), has launched a debate programme on its PC channel DR2. DR is fully license-paid - ie no ads.
One of the 2 interviewers is Asma Abdul Hamid - a female fundamental muslim - who wears a hijab, and who refrains from shaking hands with men. She is a member of the ultra-left party Enhedslisten, which is a conglomerate of old communists, maoists and the likes. Her interview partner is a dane, who is a writer, that writes about neo-conservatives, whom he - off course finds everywhere.
These are citations from Islamonline, which proudly has announced her new job:
“It has been a bold move from the Danish television and a step in the right direction,” she said.
Asmaa has been singled out of four other competitors for the TV program.
“I was the only hijab-clad woman among the candidates,” she noted.
“It is now my responsibility to present the true image of Islam as an ambassadress of the Muslim faith.”
She is known as the person who has sent the case of the Muhammed-cartoons to the danish police, and when they found, that there is no case, she is trying to raise the case at the EU Human Rights Comission.
In the first brodcast, which was an interview with Karen Jespersen, who left the danish Social Democrat party because of its dhimmi-like immigrations policy, Asmaa several times referred to Indonesia as a true Islamic Democratic Country.
Feminist groups in Denmark are now protesting aginst her. They don’t want a hijab-clad woman on national TV. The organisation ‘Kvinder For Frihed’ (Women For Freedom) has started a protest-action, which will deliver as many signatures as possible to DR.
The next broadcast will be wednesday april 5th.
The motto of DR these days is ‘Det du hører er du selv’ which translates to ‘You are what you hear’.
... naw, I can't do burkas.
I know what you mean, all I gotta say is God bless America, God bless the Queen, and God Bless Australia (but probably not wobbly New Zealand).
Hey, I'm not a horn-dog or anything, but APF casts his noble gaze into the sun, and proclaims God Bless Women, for they are the presentors of Beauty in the actual real world, if that still exists in our present Fictive Reality scenario and all that mess.
Unless a publicity-hound Moslem introduces himself into the transaction, of course. Then I'd have to stand by and watch, and let you take the fall.
You understand. Rap "musicians" must be reported, in praise of their non-music. Likewise "feminists " must be able to be beaten, enslaved, mutiliated, or murdered based on the Koran, from what I undertand. The abuse, mutiliation, and murder of women must not be reported. This would be deeply offensive to Moslems and Islam, and according to the Sharia, this must not be.
FEMINISTS ARE SILENT ON ISLAM ARE FEMINISTS INTELLECTUAL COWARDS? MO MO
Send an email to Hillary or Oprah or Condi on this, but, last I heard, ain't nobody worried about the chick-beat rape esnlavement deal, just ask Jill Ireland. She's provided such great leadership on this important issue. Look it up.
Maybe Fitzconner can do an essay on this urgent subject.
The other 75% were still being beaten and so could not be interviewed for this survey.
The weaker the man, the stronger the temper.
(Muslim women have really got to form Loreena Bobbitt memorial societies. Strike at the part that seems to rule Islam.)
Peter, the ignorant Christianophobe troll, wastes no time in spreading his moral-equivalence poison. Stop feeding the troll, I say. Yojimbo is one of the finest minds on JW and his time is too valuable to waste on that sort of PC rubbish, through which half JW readers can see anyway.
Incidentally, the name of the woman quoted in the article, Hana Qaddoura, strongly suggests that she is not Muslim - probably one of Syria's relatively large Christian minority.
Paolo:
Yup.
Paolo,
Thank you for your kind comment.
Hope you've got some nice weather there in Italy; it's turned a little cold here again.
This may interest - Fjordman had posted it on LGF:
http://snouck.blogspot.com/2006/04/banning-speech-banning-prophesy.html
Assalamau-Laikum and Ha Ha Ha....
Your comments about womens being beaten up is funny....not on the womens themselves ofcourse....but on your stereo typical views. What did UN do to get this information? Question 400 womens out of 4 millions and come up with 25% if 100 womens said so.
Freewoman says she has never been to a muslim country (a third world country she prefers to call it), never worn a burka....so HOW WOULD YOU KNOW...only through stereotypical rreadings I assume.
I am disappointed with the infedels here for this thread. My son is dating an infedel at present in the UK. I have met her, a good person who is already knowing the Ahmadi way (we surfed the internet together). Ofcourse I have not introduced her (yet) to JW incase she reads biased threads like this one...and put her off.
She says she loves my son...but she needs to tone it down slightly....she is learning the muslim ways (and I have brought her a jilbab from Pakistan...and she loves it).
I don't yet know if he will marry her .... but she knows (because she respects him & Islam) that she will become a muslima if that happens. She is learning the early suras (...to start with) of the Koran, I have conversed with her what conversion involves and (for now) she is comfortable and I am comfortable. I told her that Allah directs that no momin (believer) should marry a mushrik woman and neither should a momin woman marry a mushrik man; because such marriages are bound to be incompatible and would drag you to hell in this world, as well as in the hereafter.
In contrast, God invites you to heaven with a harmonious marriage (2:221) if she converts...and it looks like she may. Nowhere (I think) in this experience did she feel compulsion or force of hand.
ISLAM fully recognises the family’s role in the progress and well-being of society. The Quranic term for the community of Muslims is ‘Ummah’ and is derived from Umm’ meaning mother. The role of a woman is of extreme importance in the Islamic social fabric.
Ofcourse marriage, divorce and family life in Islam is different from the one prevalent in other religions. Since the parents’ mutual relationship plays an important part in the development of a child’s personality, the Quran considers a congruent and happy relationship between husband and wife as a pivot of family life. This relationship can be stable only if their attitude and temperament (non-violent) are compatible. Such men and womens create a balanced and healthy environment in which their childrens grow up. This is called ‘Nikah’ which literally means to absorb each other in the same way as raindrops are absorbed by earth.
A couple executing this kind of contract is called Zauj’. Nikah is a contract. Your wives have taken a firm covenant from you (4:21). By virtue of this contract a man and a woman pledge to accept the rights and obligations laid down by the Quran. The woman is absolutely free to marry any (muslim) she likes. Man cannot marry a woman against her will (4:19). The Quran discusses this relationship in Surah Nisa 4:24. If the married life does not limit itself to the basic restrictions on which the ‘Nikah’ was established, then it is no longer ‘Nikah’; it degenerates to Safha or a relationship with no result.
The Quran describes mental and physical maturity as the first pre-requisite for marriage, whether male or female. (4:6). Contrary to the prevailing impression, how can minors enter into a solemn pledge and covenant? It is unIslamic to expect minors to give consent for such an important contract.
Note that in Aiesha's case it was pre-ordained by Allah...at least that is how it is always explained to me. I am not happy with this, and I know that there is no greater calumny, and travesty for Mohd (SAW) supposedly lowering the position of womens. I admit that the present position of Muslim womens in Muslim lands, is not her original position under pristine Islam.
Her position today in all matters, including marriage, has been largely determined by the feudal heritage of Muslim land-owning upper class, and by the expedient and obscurantist opinions and verdicts of mediaeval Muslim jurisconsults who gave their interpretation of the Quran and the Sunnah under the commands and desires of Muslim despotic kings.
Consequently it becomes very difficult to explain the position of womens to non-Muslims especially in the 21st Century when Islam is being targeted as enemy number one. Please question these statistics.... I do believe that power goes to the heart with womens...not to the head. Too much power to womens is not good and will lead to chaos in society. We have our Allah ordained place in society, and it not subservient or violent...it is a happy medium of balance.
Only the illiterate petty minded males beat womens....they will experience the hellfire.
A bit lame. The rest is sleight-of-hand - misdirection.
As for "experiencing hellfire", you can't tell me whether you believe hell is "located somewhere" or is "outside time and space"; so what the is the point of even making such a statement? I'll settle for a polity in which such persons will be likely to experience an appropriate custodial sentence.
A_Plague:
One would like to agree with your point that (presumably Muslim) women are key to the anti-jihad, but more than enough of them are so propagandized to direct all of their frustration and outrage against Israel, Jews, the West, etc., that they are blind to the fact that they are literally sleeping with their own worst enemies.
It's hard to say how much of the animosity directed towards the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Israel is really about the displacement of Arabs with a real claim to the land and how much was the fear of Muslim clerics and overlords that they would lose control over their minions who were exposed to the egalitarianism and fraternalism of early Jewish kibbutznics, etc.
Naseem, when you say women shouldn't have much power because it causes chaos, do you mean that women would run amok through the streets setting fire to buildings, turning over cars, stoning policemen? Do you mean women would rape, torture, kidnap hapless victims?
What kind of chaos would that power bring?
Naseem,
I have a question. If Islam treats women well, why is it that in the Quran a husband is allowed to beat his wife up?
A faith is great IMO, when the women are treated in a decent manner. The Christian faith has always been good to women because it goes back to Christ himself and His love for his mother, Mary.
Paul the apostle has said that in "Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave or free, men or women. "
Paolo
Just dealing with the FACTS !
I wonder what percentage of wives have been beaten in other Muslim countries.
Acccording to Human Rights Watch the situation in Pakistan is even worse. They say violence against women occurs in a possible 80% of households.