Thanks for all your messages of concern. We were taken down in the big denial-of-service attack that took down several other sites, and which seems to have originated in Saudi Arabia, but all appears well now. And the site was not hacked at any point.
some very frustrated muslim students when not protesting, bombing, raping, take time off at their computer,thanks to western educational system.. but it seems they never finish off their work.. lazy saudis for sure!
If there is an Internet Jihad, too bad one would need the internet to watch it.
We win arguments when challenged, they resort to violence and sabotage. Tells you something doesn't it.
I'm sure it's just a few disenfranchised, misguided and misunderstood youths behind this...
This does not suprise me at all Robert. This could be a warning shot for what could happen ahead when the jihadis do more internet attacks. Looks like acts of desperation to me.
It is sad that Muslim nations are behind in information technology, particularly considering that several internet protocols are encoded, miraculously, in the Quran. During the Golden Age of Islam, in Andalusia, Islamic difference engines used long bamboo tubes to transmit sugar water, which in its bubbles transmitted data at the respectable speed of 100 bits/minute. The development of the computer is in no small part owed to Islam. Did you know IP stands for "Islamic Protocol"?
Being attacked like this proves that you are important enough to attack. Something about the ant-jihad blogs and JW/DW in particular must really be irritating them. Well done.
Dominic.
Truth hurts doesn't it? They just can't stand when their dirty little cult come to light.
The Counterterrorism Blog is down again (I am co-editor with Bill Roggio). Not fun.
mohideen has not been talking to much lately,probably been busy wiring up his cave,to launch the attack
Why must you read something bad into everything the Saudis do. They were just concerned Robert was working to hard and wanted to give him a rest.
Ya,them good old saudis ,always thinkin of us infidels.
I figured that jihad had taken a hit this morning when I attempted to access the website but was denied.
It is no big surprise that Saudis are behind this web attack.
Rather than entering into the debate on this site, Saudi Muslims would rather going into sabotage mode.
How Muslim!
I believe that Jihadwatch and dhimmiwatch are very important websites.
Exposing the real nature of Islam is a very important pursuit.
Muslims can't stand to hear the real truth about their faith.
Keep up the great work Robert. You have many supporters on this site.
In Sauidi Arabia, plenty of sites are blocked. Anything that they perceive as anti-Islam is blocked.
But they won't do much against the hackers. This isn't the first time Saudis' been hacking, and won't be the last.
As soon as a group needs to block communication or the expression of ideas in order to survive, it has proven its falsity.
i dont think it was the saudies that dont want this info here on this sight to spread,it was the government of goergie,he's sold us out
I noticed that they tried it again to Hosting Matters over on LGF as of 8:30 CDT.
They must have missed their target the first time.
"We win arguments when challenged, they resort to violence and sabotage. Tells you something doesn't it."
and by jonathan
"Rather than entering into the debate on this site, Saudi Muslims would rather going into sabotage mode."
Can I greet everyone with our greeting “peace e with you?”
Peace be with you all. I'm not surprised about the idea some people have about Moslems. I'm a Moslem guy; i will answer any of the questions you may have about Islam to the best of my knowledge… Anything that comes on your mind that you like to ask about Islam? Terrorists? About the prophet (peace be with him).
peace be with you all
Off topic :
Heights of ignorance :-)
http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=284466&sid=LIF
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4856884.stm
The Internet and this site in particular, have allowed the lid to be taken of all the MSM lies and ommisions about Islamic infiltration.
he MSM have been silenced by the propagandists and self induced dmimmy laws.
But the Infidel bloggers have not.
Unfortuantely i can see this topic being covered in the MSM as "right wing hate sites silenced ny hackers".
More of this DOSsing to come - we need our own people to counteract and strike back.
Even a slight interruption of this website's operation is a cause for serious concern. The tireless diligence of Mr. Spencer is truly inspirational.
Today is a really bad day at Jihadwatch, since a second dos attack seemed to occur in the afternoon PST. This on a day when there are a record 17 threads on Jihadwatch alone (not counting this one). It's a shame, as a lot of them simply had to go unnoticed.
moslemguy
Simple questions first
That's all for now
Hmmm...Moslemguy offered to answer questions about Islam to the best of his knowledge...that was at 10:50pm. At 4:39am Infidel Pride asked him a series of perfectly valid questions. I doubt that he will answer, after about five hours of being ingnored he probably fell into the arms of Morpheous, where he is now. I would like to ask him a couple of questions myself...like , why do you fall asleep when people are talking to you? You must be very tired. Must be all that hard jihadi work you have been doing...or maybe you just ran out of quarters at the Baghdad Cyber Cafe...
moslemguy "assalamau-laikum wa ramatullah"
It is really good to see another friendly muslim face on this infedel site. I am an Ahmadi muslima living in Pakistan.
Can you confirm the following to the peoples here that:
1) Ahmadis are muslim too.
2) It is wrong of Pakistan to have discriminatory hudood laws against "fellow" muslims.
I have a question that I always ask other muslims...something that I as a woman am extremely bothered about.
3) Was the prophet (pbuh) was wrong to marry Aisha at the age of 6 and consummate the marriage at 9 when she would not have been fully developed.
I would be interested to hear your answers calmly and rationally about this matter.
Allah Hafiz & welcome to Jihadwatch.
Simple questions first
1. Are Jews and Christians descended from dogs and apes?
2. Is it okay for a Muslim to apostasize and change his/her religion from Islam to something else?
3. Is it okay for a Muslim to be loyal to an entity other than Islam (such as a non-Muslim country)
4. Should Non-Muslims living among Muslims be subject to inferiority/subjection, or a Jiziya tax?
5. Should Shariah be the basis of government, law, or criminal penalties?
Peace be with you
Praise be to god, the most gracious, most merciful
1. Are Jews and Christians descended from dogs and apes?
Nope. Who told you?
Is it okay for a Muslim to apostatize and change his/her religion from Islam to something else?
There is no need for me to lie. Islam says clearly:-
“And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever” al-Baqarah 2:217
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a person who bears witness that there is no god but Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah except in three cases: a life for a life, a previously-married person who commits adultery, and one who leaves Islam and forsakes the jamaa’ah.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim.
You may ask why the harsh punishment? Why no “freedom” of religion?
Keep in mind that Islam tolerates other other religions and beliefs “To you your religion, and to me my religion.(6)” "The Unbelievers 109". But look at the following:-
a. To protect the true religion from hypocrites, doubt, and gossip between people.
b. When someone enters Islam, he/she must understand completely and be 100% doubtful. That person also must defend +be loyal to the religion. When they know Execution is the punishment in this life and there is more punishment in the hereafter, they will really consider their decision about converting to Islam.
And to elaborate more on this area, I won’t lie to myself or to you. I have never seen a Moslem person like me or you leaving Islam for any other religion. I’m actually surprised you think this because in the US and in the west why are there large numbers of Catholics, and Christians and large numbers from other faiths who enter Islam everyday? Are they threatened by execution? I have seen famous and well known priests and rabbis enter Islam. Again, I wouldn’t lie to you or to myself… look around and ask yourself why?
I’m sure you know about the term “Inquisition” (Latin: Inquisitio Haereticae Pravitatis Sanctum Officium) refers broadly to a number of historical movements surrounding the suppression of heresy by the Roman Catholic Church. There were four major movements, starting with the Medieval Inquisition in 1184 and ending with the Spanish Inquisition in 1834. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
People who didn’t believe in Jesus were not only executed, they were burnt alive and tortured. What can you tell me about this?
In addition, the death penalty is used for man-made laws like murder… to protect a law from being broken and to protect societies against certain crimes. If the death penalty is used to for man-made laws, don’t you think, it’s more appropriate to use it for God’s laws? (Allah=God who is the created of you and me, the created of this earth). Why is it strange for God to order this but its not strange for the local government to use execution?
6. Is it okay for a Muslim to be loyal to an entity other than Islam (such as a non-Muslim country)
It depends what you mean with loyal. Basically if he doesn’t worship what they do, and adopt their habits like drinking and other manners, and as long as that entity or country is loyal to him and doesn’t harm him (or them) then Islam orders us to be just with them.
“And fight in the way of God with those who fight with you, but do not aggress; God does not love the aggressors.” Albaqara
And:
60:8 “Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.”
Is this how I see you love and your tolerance for other people duh_swami by making fun of me? “I doubt that he will answer, after about five hours of being ingnored he probably fell into the arms of Morpheous, where he is now. I would like to ask him a couple of questions myself...like , why do you fall asleep when people are talking to you? You must be very tired. Must be all that hard jihadi work you have been doing...or maybe you just ran out of quarters at the Baghdad Cyber Cafe...” Actually, I’m a Tcom student in the US. I guess you enjoy Morpheous that’s what kept you up late tonight?
The Iraqi people don’t have money to eat or drink and you make fun of them… nice nice… by the way, what do you think about our war with Iraq? Do you want me to show you pictures of dead children? And killing people left and right by mistake? And torturing the prisoners? Is this tolerance? Fear god people. Fear god.
7. Should Non-Muslims living among Muslims be subject to inferiority/subjection, or a Jiziya tax? Yes they should. Based on what you tell me, I shouldn’t pay tax because I’m Moslem and I’m living in the US? If non Moslems live under Islamic rule, they are protected like everyone else in case of war right? So they have to pay like everyone else. We have to pay zaka (charity to the poor) and non Moslems pay “Jizya” So isn’t every one actually equal in Islam?
8. Should Shariah be the basis of government, law, or criminal penalties?
It’s the word of god. Who understand the created people more than the creator himself? Simply, if you have a BMW would you buy parts for it from the manufacturer (BMW) or pep boys? If you want cheaper/unreliable parts, it’s easier to grab it from the second. If you want genuine parts, you bet, grab it from the manufacturer.
You don’t believe the sharia is the word of god? Then I really suggest that you sit with yourself one day- take all the things you know about Islam out of your brain for an hour and read some of the quran… I’m sure you wouldn’t lie to yourself or me because its for your own good; I don’t seek anything from you. I don’t want money, fame, nothing. Just read and see. Read from a good source… there are a lot of questionable things on the web so I suggest go to a bookstore.
I hope I covered everything briefly. Sorry I wrote a lot. If you have any questions, don’t be afraid to ask.
I woke up to pray Fajir and to start my day… Aren’t we always connected with god? We pray 5 times a day.
Peace be with you all
some TYPOS i made:
(Allah=God who is the created of you and me, the created of this earth).
i meant God who is the creator of me and you, he is the creator of this earth.
TC
we must know that when a morden day moslem talks about jihad, it's all inclusive. i mean that he can carry it out with the knive, gun, political power, media, economic oppression,etc
for e.g . if a moslem has a jihad heart,
he can tell a hosting company to stop hosting a company which they consider an enemy.
they pursue leadership in some nations not because they want to solve people's problem but to spread islam through it.
they can cause someone who opposes them to be fired from a job if they have the power etc.
so it's not impossible that they were behind this hosting problem. thank God it's over.
Can you confirm the following to the peoples here that:
1) Ahmadis are muslim too.
o.k naseem,would you quite begging to the big muslim's,trying to get them to say say yes even the ahmadis are muslim.Your just makin a fool of your self.
.
3) Was the prophet (pbuh) was wrong to marry Aisha at the age of 6 and consummate the marriage at 9 when she would not have been fully developed
yuou allready answered that naseem:
What mohd. did by marrying Aiesha at 6 & consumating at 9 was nothing short of disgusting.
Posted by: Naseem at March 18, 2006 07:17 PM
and moslimguy,she has allready shown us infidels,the doubt of mo mo that she has
I do believe that SOME verses of the Koran are not true ...but the Majority of them are.
Posted by: Naseem at April 9, 2006 04:00 PM
Get ready to hear her beg you to say she is muslim,but you can clearly see she's not,just go back to them dates in the archives,and see her doubting the koran,and mo.
I SAY SHE IS AN APOSTATE!!!!
Around here a school has been seeking for registration with the government for many years but because it's a mission school, the authorities have refused to register it. they give us all kind of reasons but we know the truth. many of our students, when they finish primary school to enter secondary school, they will be refused addmission only because they bear a New testament name.those that scale through are those that bear local indigineous names. we have to transfer them to another locations where the authority is not islam though we live in a nation that has a constitution.
all in all, i'm saying that this is jihad war which is being carried out at different levels depending on where "Allah" puts you.
If a moslem talks about jihad, he means many things. Ask him to explain further what he means.
Once again Mr Roberts, the power of good will definitely overcome the power of evil.
Patroit4....What's your problem? Did I ask you the questions, stop being such a lund?
The point is in Pak I am not surrounded by the infedel....they are ALL muslim.
The more muslims I can get to understand the Ahmadi position the better.... it is for me and my Ahmadi (MUSLIM) bretheren.
Ahmadis are in a perilious position...you are not in that position (yet...but give it time) so you cannot understand.
So please Moslemguy, don't get swayed...please answer my questions as best as you can.
Patroit4....What's your problem? Did I ask you the questions, stop being such a lund?
awe,shuck's naseem just got a thing for ya.I just dont like ya makeing a fool of yourself,you did the same with defender,mohideen.You allready know the answer to ALL of your questions you asked.Am i a muslim too?NO,every mo mo on here allready told you that.
was it wrong for mo to marry Aiesha at 6 and consumate the marage at 9?YES,he was a sick bastered,but you allready knew that:
What mohd. did by marrying Aiesha at 6 & consumating at 9 was nothing short of disgusting.
Posted by: Naseem at March 18, 2006 07:17 PM
The koran is the liveing word of god?
I do believe that SOME verses of the Koran are not true ...but the Majority of them are.
Posted by: Naseem at April 9, 2006 04:00 PM
so your saying allah is lyeing?
Poor,Poor naseem no paridise for you.
I got a question for moslimguy:
are all ahmadis disgusted by mo?
do they all regard your koran,as haveing false teaching's in it?
Naseem - think about what you're really saying:
Ahmadis are in a perilious position...you are not in that position (yet...but give it time) so you cannot understand.
Your confessing that Ahmadis are persecuted by Muslims and that you live under threat of your life, but then you want other infidel people like us to come under that persecution.
free yourself - the answer is not more persecution for others - that won't make your life safer!
Less persecution - more freedom. That is the way.
The answer is less Islam, not more Islam.
I knew something weird was going on yesterday morning, when I couldn't access JW/DW, but could bring up everything else in my list of "favorites".
Wow--a genuine Internet attack! I agree with others who say you guys and gals at JW must be doing something right!
For Moslem guy :
Any answers ?
http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/20060320/hz_afghanistan_0306/blogs2986
I have never seen a Moslem person like me or you leaving Islam for any other religion
Because of the punishment for apostasy. no? How does the apostasy thing coexist with First Amendment rights, does it overlook apostasy in that case, can freedom of religion including rejecting Islam or worshiping frogs ever be recognized as a human right in Theocratic Muslim states?
I’m actually surprised you think this because in the US and in the west why are there large numbers of Catholics, and Christians and large numbers from other faiths who enter Islam everyday
Honestly, I believe this is because there will always be 'Society and Its Discontents' and the best way to express anti-Western anti Judeo-Christian tradition in the US is to embrace Islam as a statement. 20 plus years ago those people would have embraced Communism to express their anti-West discontent.
People who didn't believe in Jesus were not only executed, they were burnt alive and tortured. What can you tell me about this?
At that time, long ago, the Catholic Church was a political power. A series of reforms within the Catholic Church and States now protect people against that in the West.
The only question I have is if Islam states that Jesus' teachings were true how can the words of the Jesus be dismissed? Example, "But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles." How does the spirit behind an act of terrorism or a cartoon protest done in the name of Islam live up to that teaching?
http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/20060320/hz_afghanistan_0306/blogs2986
Why are you blaming islam for this? at least she got "married". Not like what we see here:-
http://www.slate.com/id/2066169/
What about this?
http://da.co.la.ca.us/mr/012306a.htm
wait... Let me see i for got this:
"But if watching other people in misery was Swaggart's favorite thing, then his next favorite was probably looking at pornography and fucking $35-per-hour prostitutes in cheap motels. When the rumors started flying, Jimmy was doomed. Ironically, it was Marvin Gorman who nailed him. " read more here: http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/televangelists/jimmy-swaggart/
one more:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/porter/epidemic_9.html
sexy right?
what can you say now? Do we hear such cases between moslems? A christian convert to islam was telling me stories and stories about churches. By the way, Why can't the priests get married? Isn't this why they turn to the children? So did God say to the preists not to marry?
You make fun of us because we can marry up to 4 women. Ok. But its hard for Christian people to get divocred... So what if the relationship doesn't "work out" then they have to be stuck together forever? I guess that's why in the non- moslem countries we see cheating, raping, killing for sex, porn, drugs. I know a number of people in my school who they don't even know who their father is! why is this? Childsupport to different women... on and on...
Again, at least the afghan girl here was married. And how do you know if this story is true? You should read quran yourself does the quran tell you to do this? Nope of course... dont just listen from here or there and believe. "shop around" as we say here in the US.
:)
Look how harsh the quran is:
"Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that evil thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."
Why did god tell us to do this in the above ayea of the holy quran?
I think its time for people here to leave what they think about islam on one side and to go ahead and read quran and then talk. Don't just fool yourselves. I don't care if you are moslem or catholic... its for your own good, trust me.
No where in the quran it tells us to beat women... In fact, we are commanded from our prophet (peace beu upon him) and from the quran to be kind, just with our wives. I bet you women in Islam have more right than anywhere else!
TCMF (Take care my friends)
Why are you blaming islam for this? at least she got "married".
that statement is all we ever have to know about you.She was what 4?
yes there is some sick assed preists too,and just like you we weed them out.So i guess you answered naseem question about the sick bastered mo marrying aishia(you got more proof your NOT muslim,naseem).We send pedifiles to prison,you make a religion out of it.
SCHOOLGIRLS DIE IN BURNING BUILDING FOR LACK OF HEADSCARVES
When fire broke out in Saudi Arabia’s Mecca Intermediate School No. 31,
both teachers and students began to flee from
Why are you blaming islam for this? at least she got "married".
that statement is all we ever have to know about you.She was what 4?
yes there is some sick assed preists too,and just like you we weed them out.So i guess you answered naseem question about the sick bastered mo marrying aishia(you got more proof your NOT muslim,naseem).We send pedifiles to prison,you make a religion out of it.
SCHOOLGIRLS DIE IN BURNING BUILDING FOR LACK OF HEADSCARVES
When fire broke out in Saudi Arabia’s Mecca Intermediate School No. 31,
both teachers and students began to flee from the burning school
building. The morality police, known as the muttawwai’, forced back into
the burning building all the girls who “were not wearing the headscarves
and 'abayas' (black cloaks) that women must wear in public” (Washington
Post through Manila Times, 21 March 2002).
As a result of this ‘efficient’ implementation of dress code for women, 15
schoolgirls died and 52 others were injured because they did not wear the
proper dress code of headscarves and ‘abayas’.
“What kind of virtue is it to allow girls to die in fire because of their
clothing?” asks Mona Eltahawy, reporter for the Washington Post. This kind
of ‘virtue’ is certainly un-Islamic. Islam teaches compassion and justice.
What the muttawwai’, or the Saudi Arabian Committee for the Promotion of
Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, did in that fire incident is not compassion.
Moreover, the building itself, reserved by the Saudi government as an
all-girls’ school, does not pass the standard safety features for
buildings--it has no fire exits, no fire alarms, and no fire
extinguishers. Built to accommodate up to 250 students only, the school
has a student population of 800.
you muslim's are real men.You either molest little girls,or leave them to die.
sorry first post was cut in half
Habibi "GreatShaitan" habeebi means my close friend.
normal people like me and you convert to islam every day. Stop denying this because like i said, no body cares if you are moslem/catholic/christian. Truly, at the end, we are all humans and care for each other.
'Society and Its Discontents' and the best way to express anti-Western anti Judeo-Christian tradition in the US is to embrace Islam as a statement. 20 plus years ago those people would have embraced Communism to express their anti-West discontent."
But the problem is that regular people like me and you (and i know some priests and rabbis who converted) are embracing islam left and right. And most of the time, they become better moslems than the born moslems. This is a free country right, why don't all the moslems who come to the US to work or study leave islam? Will anyone punish them because they changed their religion? nope.
Even the guy from afghanistan who they say left islam, i believe they just put him on CNN to make people gossip and for political reasons...
Example, "But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles." Those are excelent words indeed...
But jesus (peace be upon him)also tells you to sell your coat and buy a sword right?
To be just and fair, I will admit there are lots of angry people, and also i will call them "ignorant" because of the way they make islam look. Does islam tell us to kill innocent people and to bomb people? of course not. when we are in a state of war, islam tells you not to harm innocent people, animals, old people, even plants! so what do you think islam tells us about when we are not in war? islam teaches us we have to be just, kind, helpfull, help the poor, take care of the orphans... keep the societies clean and problem-free as much as possible. If everyone practaces islam in the US, there would faaaaaaaaar much less rape, suicide, racism, robberies, desises like AIDS + other STDs, abortions. Dont you want to live in a society like that? then islam is the answer.
thanks, and sorry for writing much.
TCMF
Moslemguy and Greatshaitan:
I want to respond to your rather confused statements comments about the inquisition. First, I want you to know that it is good to see Molems on this website who are open to dialogue and debate.
Moslemguy wrote: " People who didn’t believe in Jesus were not only executed, they were burnt alive and tortured. What can you tell me about this?"
Here is the answer.
How the Inquisition started:
The Turks in 1480 attacked the south Italian city of Otranto. 12,000 people were killed, the rest made slaves. The Turks killed every cleric in the city and sawed the archbishop in two. So Queen Isabel of Spain sent a fleet to Italy. In September of 1480, when it was clear the Turks might do the same to any coastal city, King Ferdinand V and Queen Isabella established the Inquisition. It dealt with the special problem of those who pretended to become Christians, but were not really converted, and might open the gates of the city to the Turks.
During this period the West was in danger of following the fate of Constantinople and falling under the sword of Islam. Indeed Protestant and Catholic princes joined forces against the threat and at one point the Turkish armies were at the gates of Vienna.
Otherwise, the modern nations of Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia, 16 miles away from Spain, formed part of a vast imperial system established by the Muslim Turks, a system as powerful and menacing to western Europe as the Soviet bloc was conceived to be in our day.
It was under this threat that the Pope Sixtus IV authorized the Spanish Inquisition in 1478 if it should be needed. The kings of Spain, Isabella and Ferdinand, instituted it two years later. The specific threat that the Inquisition faced was the "conversos." Spain had been freed form Islamic control for only a few generations, after 800 years of oppression... and not completely, because Islam still ruled in Granada up to 1492.
The Spanish Inquisition was independent of the Medieval Inquisition. It was established by Ferdinand and Isabella with the reluctant approval of Sixtus IV. It was entirely controlled by the Spanish kings, and the pope's only hold over it was in naming the inquisitor general chosen by the kings. The popes were never reconciled to the institution, which they regarded as usurping a church prerogative.
The Spanish Inquisition had no authority over practicing Muslims and Jews, only over professed Christians suspected of being fakes and a threat to the country... it remained operative in Spain into the nineteenth century. Originally called into being against secret Islam and secret Judaism, it served also to repel Protestantism in the sixteenth century, but was unable to expel French Rationalism and immorality of the eighteenth... it also took some action against witchcraft though it was very limited compared with the 30,000 witches burned in England and the 100,000 in Germany.
It was a state institution used to identify conversos, mainly Muslims (Moors, Moros), and Jews (Marranos), who falsely "converted" to Christianity and secretly practiced their former religion. Its job was also, and more importantly, to clear the good name of many people who were falsely accused.
Read more about it here:
http://biblia.com/christianity/spanish.htm
Moslemguy.....In case you haven't noticed the era of the inquisitions have left Christianity .....a very long distant time ago.
Remember that there was absolutely no biblical basis for the inquisition. It was secular movement to make Spain more orthodox with its Christianity.
Now let's compare the ancient inquisitions with what is happening TODAY in Islam.
In modern day Islamic Afghanistan, Mr. Rahman nearly lost his life because he DESIRED to no longer remain a Muslim and felt that God was leading him to become a Christian.
What motivated the Afghan legal authorities to want to murder Mr. Rahman because he left Islam?
Answer: The Koran- a very dangerous and hostile religious book.
There are many hate filled and supremacist oriented passages in the Koran that cause Muslims to justify the killing of the Muslim apostate and the oppression of non-Muslims.
Here are just a few:
The Victory
[48.13] And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Apostle, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers.
The Victory
[48.28] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions; and Allah is enough for a witness.
The Immunity
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
Quran 47:
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
patriot4 :-
Do you want me to prove that you don't even respect Jesus (peace be with him)?
ok, just as "GreatShaitan" was telling me to give your enimy your other cheek when slapped YOU don't practace this! and you know why. because "sick bastered mo marrying aishia" is this how you love your enimy?
on the other hand, we respect Jesus (peace be with him) more than anyone else because we know he spoke truth at his time... even know, there is still some true things in the bible about him... anyways, i dont want to open another topic but women in islam have far more right than women in non moslem women.
mohammed (peace be with him) didn't marry his wives to satisfy his "sexual" desires, but rather to help the women.
TIE (Take it Easy)
moslemguy: "To be just and fair, I will admit there are lots of angry people, and also i will call them "ignorant" because of the way they make islam look.."
You may not be angry, moslemguy, but your posts above tell us everything we need to know about so-called "moderate" Muslims, even here in the U.S. You admit that Islam does indeed mandate death for apostasy and you admit that even a moderate Muslim such as yourself would like to see Sharia made the law of the land. We here at JW don't need to understand more about islam. We already understand it very well. And it sucks. As to Aisha - you don't seem to understand the difference between some corrupt immoral Christians (mere human beings) being debauched and your prophet - who is supposed to be the model of the perfect human being, being utterly debauched. As to all those dead and dying in Iraq, hopefully you're not too stupid to recognize that it is Muslims themselves who are doing most of the carnage.
"You don’t believe the sharia is the word of god? Then I really suggest that you sit with yourself one day- take all the things you know about Islam out of your brain for an hour and read some of the quran…"
Moslemguy - No. We don't believe that Sharia is the word of God. We don't believe that the Koran is inspired by God either. We know who Muhammad was remember? A theif, a mass-murderer, a pedophile and a liar who conveniently received "revelations" that just happened to give him license for every debauchery he wished to indulge in. Your presence here today has done nothing but confirm what we already knew - that Muslims, even moderate western-educated ones, are ignorant fools who would like to see us all living under Sharia law in the end. Thanks for confirming what we already knew and reminding us that we have as much to fear from ostensibly non-violent Muslims as we do from the violent ones. Different methods, same ends.
mohammed (peace be with him) didn't marry his wives to satisfy his "sexual" desires, but rather to help the women.Then why didnt he wait till she was at least through puburty?
your really that stupid?and this is what you want Americans to be like?
Do you want me to prove that you don't even respect Jesus (peace be with him)?
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one,
he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear
-Thomas Jefferson
Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone.
Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful
to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one.
Thomas Jefferson
you said we were gunna answer our questions,you have not answered mine,naseems,sutasuta's.All very good questions(even naseems,when she knows the answers to hers)
moslemguy: "If everyone practaces islam in the US, there would faaaaaaaaar much less rape, suicide, racism, robberies, desises like AIDS + other STDs, abortions. Dont you want to live in a society like that? then islam is the answer"
Rape? LOL!Rape goes on all the time in Muslim countries. Difference is we arrest the perpretrators while Muslims murder the victims!
Suicide? LOL! The word suicide is fast becoming associated with Islam. Difference is that Muslims who commit suicide make sure to take out a bunch of innocent infidels with them in order to insure they get into that "brothel in the sky".
Racism? LOL! You think we don't know that Islam is basically Arab supremacism in disguise? We in the US ended slavery while it continues in the Arab world, along with little things like genocide against non-Arab Muslims in Darfur. Muslims are the consummate racist bigots.
Robberies? LOL! Muhammad himself - the perfect man - was a professional ROBBER for Pete's sake! European imams instruct their congregations that it is a-OK to take whatever they want from the infidel because it is owed them. In this they are merely following in the footsteps of your prophet.
Diseases like AIDS? AIDS IS a growing problem in the Muslim world. Only difference is that here we openly admit it and try to do something about it while in Muslim countries they try to cover it up. Wouldn't want to tarnish that perfect image of islam.
Abortions - true. But at least some of Muslims aversion to abortion stems from the fact that abortion would curtail the army of dar al-Islam and undermine the goals of demographic jihad.
I'm surprised you left out drugs. But as we're well aware drug abuse is absolutely epidemic in Iran, which is governed by Sharia law.
BTW - if Islam and Sharia law are so darned peachy then why are you living in the US in the first place, instead of one of those Muslim paradises where Sharia is the law of the land? Whether you choose to acknowledge it honestly or not, its because Islam leads to squalor and misery everywhere it reigns supreme. So folks like you leave those hellholes and come to the west and then imagine how much better our societies would be if we had Islam and sharia law. How effing stupid is that?
very nicely said,Caroline
Moslemguy wrote:
.."anyways, i dont want to open another topic but women in islam have far more right than women in non moslem women."
I found this statement rather amusing.
Please give me some evidence that Muslim women have more rights in Islam than non moslem women.
Moslemguy: I completely disagree with your statements about Muslim and non-muslim women.
I beg to differ.
Muslim women are not respected in Islam.
I challenge you to read this website.
http://www.webspawner.com/users/afghanwomen/
Johnathan:
Thank you for replying and for the information you gave us about the inquisition...
The Victory
[48.13] And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Apostle, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers.
I have a question for you:
In christianity, whats going to happen to me because i don't believe jesus is the son of god? hell right? or jesus died for my sisns? but i'm moslem?
so of course, god promised those who do not believe in him and his messengers, a painfull pinishment. Do you think a person who prays 5 times a day, pays zakah, stays away from haram "adultary, drinking, gambling..." are they equal to someone who does all of the above? there is hell and there is heaven- don't you believe this also?
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The Victory
[48.28] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions; and Allah is enough for a witness.
Of course, god has sent a messenger for people to guide them to the correct path.
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The Immunity
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
this is true though, people just follow their fathers and fathers rather than knowing whats right and wrong!
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Quran 47:
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
simply, this is when moslems are in a batlle, this is what they should do. Not look at the enimy and give them their other cheek. And in reality, I'm going to use this against you since you brought it up:
it says "and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates." this is how we treat our enimies. Set them free or let them rensom themselves. unlike in the old testament, there is blood everywhere. For example:
“Ye shall not eat of anything that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that is in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an alien: for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk."
"When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. “
Either way, if they make peace, make them slaves, and if they fight, then kill everyone!
And you still talk about the Quran.
This is what the bible teaches you? and you call the quran a dangerous religios book? fear god people, fear god.
LOL one by one please! i wonder why you people have much anger inside of you? calm down you don't even know me! what if i was about to convert to christianity and after i saw how you are, now i stay away? :p
hehehhe
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well, i just was hopping to answer some questions of some people here... but i thought you people were educated and know how to respect other people "We win arguments when challenged, they resort to violence and sabotage. Tells you something doesn't it."
You win arguments by insulting other and calling names... righ? then in that case, i will tell you to go ask your CREATOR to guide you! don't you believe in "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened."
Ask for guidance... ask for guidance mis amigos!
still didnt answer a dam thing
A denial-of-service is executed by inundating an Internet service with requests.
In other words, all ask and no offer. Yeah, if it didn't come Saud, it came from a shifty Moslem somewhere...
Moslemguy:
I don't understand what you are saying about us being angry.
I am not angry at you.
We are just telling the truth about Islam.
If you want to see anger and what real Muslims do to non-Muslims.......then you have to see this website:
http://victimsofallah.blogspot.com/
BTW Naseem,
This is not your personal website.
Anyone, including patriot4, has a right to post responses to anything you say, regardless of whether or not you were addressing one particular person.
You've attempted thread-jacking like this before with Mohideen.
If you don't like other people freely exercising their right to say whatever they want to whomever they want, post on another site or set up your own.
If you don't want to do that, quit throwing a snit.
moslemguy: "In christianity, whats going to happen to me because i don't believe jesus is the son of god? hell right? or jesus died for my sisns? but i'm moslem? so of course, god promised those who do not believe in him and his messengers, a painfull pinishment"
FWIW I don't believe that at all. But by the same token, one big difference between Christians and Muslims is that Christians leave it up to God to render that final judgement while Muslims are all self-appointed little "Gods on earth" meting out painful punishments to the unbelievers here on earth. That makes you folks infinitely more dangerous than fundamentalist Christians.
"it says "and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates." this is how we treat our enimies. Set them free or let them rensom themselves."
only problem there is that the war NEVER terminates. Islam is a permanent call to war until the dar al-harb is brought into the dar al-Islam. ROPMA.
You quote from the Old Testament. But what is it that you don’t grasp about Christianity that Christians follow the New Testament? O wait – you do grasp that, which is why like all Muslims you admonish Christians for not “turning the other cheek” in the face of your violence? You never say to Christians “why can’t you be more like Muhammad?” The reason is obvious – Muhammad was a war-mongerer and Jesus was not. But “turn the other cheek” doesn’t mean that Christians are obligated to commit suicide. There have been numerous comments on these threads exploring that issue. Nevertheless, Muslims like yourself have demonstrated repeatedly their willingness to goad Christians into passive acceptance of Muslim conquest by quoting Christian scripture against them.
"i wonder why you people have much anger inside of you? calm down you don't even know me! what if i was about to convert to christianity and after i saw how you are, now i stay away?"
I am not in the least bit interested in converting you to Christianity. Contrary to the lies Muslims tell that Christians are everywhere insidiously trying to convert Muslims to Christianity, it is the Muslims who are quite obviously in reality working assiduosly to spread Islam and Sharia across the planet, whether by use of violence or by dawa and demographic conquest - as you yourself have so perfectly illustrated. If Islam had anything to offer, say like Buddhism, to us living in the west, I would have no problem with it. But it has nothing to offer except lies and enslavement and misery. Why on earth wouldn't I be angry about that? There is nothing whatsoever about Christianity that says that Christians shouldn’t get angry when confronted by lies and hypocrisy and evil.
“well, i just was hopping to answer some questions of some people here... but i thought you people were educated and know how to respect other people "We win arguments when challenged, they resort to violence and sabotage. Tells you something doesn't it."”
We are educated. And we are educated about islam. And all we’re doing here is arguing while Muslims worldwide are indeed resorting to violence and sabotage. You yourself are practicing sabotage by coming here to the US while nurturing dreams of replacing our constitution with Sharia law and working towards that aim by practicing dawa. That’s sabotage. What do you mean you were merely hoping to come here and answer questions people here had about islam? If that were the case then you would answer the questions above about explicating in what way Islam provides for more women’s rights. But that’s a lie and you must know it, otherwise you’d bother to answer the question. Respect? Respect? No – I have no respect for dangerous fools who spout delusional lies. Why should I? I only have respect for the truth. Islam is a lie – possibly the greatest lie ever perpretrated upon mankind. No human being is obligated to show respect for a massive lie and fraud which has brought so much human misery to the planet and whose deluded adherents are working so assiduously towards the goal of enslaving the rest of us with their lies. Some things are simply deserving of disrepect. And some things are so heinous and evil that anger is the only justified response.
moslemguy,you have just been told by an American woman.naseem you should learn to do that,maybe you will get some respect.Us infidel Americans like our woman feisty.
Well Moslemguy,
You chose to ignore my questions deliberately. "I'll talk & answer all your questions" you said...always hoping ofcourse that you can pull the wool over the infedels here.
Only you didn't want an Ahmadi MUSLIMA here to ask those really awkard questions.
You silence show that you clearly support those fu*king huddod laws...peoples like you suck & let Islam down...even the infedel is better than you.
My position is clear...Islam is pristine and I recommend it to one & all. It is the Moslem who spoils it's message...shame on you moslemguy.
Eisenhund, patroit4....my apologies to you both...ofcourse anyone can respond to anybody's comments....sorry....a moment's madness...but I really wanted for moslemguy's to respond....but I already know he is weak....he will shower you with sura and hadith...but is lacking in reality...ALWAYS avoiding to answer those reality questions...he has the red mist before his eyes...like most pathetic "moslem" mens.
but I already know he is weak....he will shower you with sura and hadith...but is lacking in reality...ALWAYS avoiding to answer those reality questions...he has the red mist before his eyes...like most pathetic "moslem" mens
Wow,didnt know you would grow some ball's so fast,naseem.Good for you.No apologies are needed.
We all have just been trying to get you to think for yourself,i will not make fun of you anymore for not being a"real"muslem.I'm glad we can differantciate between the pathetic "moslem",and Ahmadi MUSLIMA.But i will not stop TRYING to explain to you that islam will ever rule America,it just not ever gunna happin.
should have been *differentiate*
-Naseem
I can sympathize with you.
I think you've figured this out for yourself, but it seems to me that the silence you get as a response to your questions tells more than any answers they might formulate to appease you.
You've asked the same basic questions of both Mohideen and this moslemguy, and you've gotten the same answer, or rather, non-answer.
They know that there's no way to fly that plane without running into a cloud of flak so they turn around and go back to base.
As I'm sure you're aware, I don't agree with most of what you post. I'm no less sure that the feeling is mutual. However I can recognize that you are quite good at smoking out these obfuscators and sugar-water salesmen for what they are. Anyone can call them names and pick apart their "arguments". You usually get them to show their colors themselves just by asking them questions, to which their answers usually consist of simply ignoring you or blowing you off.
They don't respect you as a fellow Muslim enough to answer, how much respect or honesty can we "infidels" expect?
Naseem: "You silence show that you clearly support those fu*king huddod laws...peoples like you suck & let Islam down..."
Wrong Naseem. Moslem guy isn't "letting Islam down". Islam sucks. Unlike some other posters here I have zero sympathy for you. I have zero sympathy for someone struggling to figure out why they are not quite good enough for Islam while at the same time wishing and gloating and dreaming of the day that the rest of us will be slaves to Islam. Like so many Muslims you are completely self-centered. Poor little me, Ahmaddi Muslimah but man, I can't wait until the rest of you free folks are conquered by Islam. Misery loves company, obviously.
She's learning though,Caroline.Every time she posts she admits something new about how she really feels about islam,she is seeing it's nonsense.Probably never gunna get her to totally break her islam addiction,but at the end of the day,when she is alone she is hearing that little voice in her head telling her islam is a lie.There might be hope yet for her soul.May god have mercy on her,cause i wont.She don't understand just how much foolish she is,when she thinks Americans will stand for islam.Some people yes,there are always idiots.But the majority will never give up what millions of Americans fought and died to give us.
While we see here a debate about Islam and its certain " teachings " of it; in truth, all this is going on while the REAL fastest growing faith is burning brightly via the global south because of the faith and prayers of missionaries a long time ago who planted seeds in the gloabal south, Africa in a special way. Now the global south is sending needed missionaries to the west for revival.
http://www.christianpost.com/article/church/2555/section/african.christians.bring.fire.faith.back.to.the.west/1.htm
I have a question. Does it not say that in the Koran in Chapter 4:34 that husbands are allowed to beat their wives? Please no contradicting answers.
Patriot4 - I hate to say it but you're the (apparent) redneck with the heart of gold. :-)
Look at what Naseem says, though:
"My position is clear...Islam is pristine and I recommend it to one & all. It is the Moslem who spoils it's message...shame on you moslemguy."
Her position is clear. She says so. There are tens of millions of Muslim women like her. Women who continue to delude themselves that Islam really is "pristine" and Islam really DOES respect women's rights and that really just a tiny minority of extremists have hijacked this women-loving religion of "peace" and "justice".
But her delusions are seriously dangerous, especially to free women like me. And maybe it takes free women like me to be harsh enough to call foul and to say to women like Naseem - screw you muslimah!
patriot4 - you do what you gotta do - "rescue" her, so to speak, and I'll do what I gotta do - express, as a free western woman, who recognizes the literal MIRACLE of my freedom, as history goes - that Naseem is NOT my sister. She is, in fact, quite dangerous in her capacity to appeal to those who would gladly overturn the hard-won freedoms fought for and finally gained by, western women.
Some posters here have asked - where are the feminists in all this? They have correctly noted that western so-called feminists are now apologizing for the burkha and ignoring honor killings. Which goes to show you that women are not necessarily women's "best friends". Obviously we now live in a "post-feminist" area where former so-called "feminists" are serious traitors of women, while many western men - the REAL feminists - understand what is at stake for western women in the face of the global jihad.
Welcome to this "brave new world" in which patriot4 is a feminist and Naseem is a misogynist? Who would have thunk it?!
Moslemguy,
What I have seen in this URL, which I will post again, what you have posted, the second picture shows what looks like domestic abuse related welts.
http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/20060320/hz_afghanistan_0306/blogs2986
I cannot be fooled. Koran 4:34 is the basis for the allowance of such abuse.
-Caroline
Please don't take my sympathy for Naseem's frustration with getting a straight answer out of an islam peddler with sympathy for her.
She has experience with how her fellow mohammedans treat anyone who doesn't swallow their bilge by the gallon, yet she still tries to gain their acceptance. Some people never feel the weight of their chains until those shackles have been loosened. I've always had a "well screw you!" attitude to anyone who didn't want me around, and I can't understand anyone who doesn't.
I've more than once taken very clear exception to many of her posts positing that her co-religionists are going to shove their dogma down my throat or the throats of my countrymen, or cut them if they can't. Fortunately, the good taxpayers of the USA paid good money to train me for thirteen years to make sure nothing like that will ever happen.
I sympathize with anyone who tries to get a straight answer. If she can do that, her actions in this endeavor can do nothing but benefit us all, even if that is not her aim.
I don't care who's doing the digging, as long as I can spend the gold.
BTW-Maybe it does take a Western woman to take it to a muslimah. Despite some of my back-and-forths with Naseem in the past, I am a male product of Western society, not to mention the fact that my parents were a bit older than those of many of my generation. I'm not quite as likely to unload on a poster of the feminine persuasion as I would on a fellow male. Unfortunately, that kind of differentiation seems to be more of a liability in this day and age, as it tends to be reviled by many females and taken advantage of by others. Not that I really care what "feminists" think. I already stated my pat answer to anyone who doesn't want me in their club.
"Which goes to show you that women are not necessarily women's "best friends".
-Caroline at April 29, 2006 07:20 PM
Most guys (maybe women too, I wouldn't know) who have spent any time around a group of women and have heard some of the things that many say behind each others' backs already know this.
"Sisterhood" is fine in theory, reality has a way of bursting that delicate bubble.
heh...
patriot4 - you do what you gotta do - "rescue" her, so to speak, and I'll do what I gotta do.
Welcome to this "brave new world" in which patriot4 is a feminist.
Think you got me wrong,i do not take lighty was naseem is saying.I will fight with everything i got to make what she says is gunna happin,doesnt
We all have just been trying to get you to think for yourself,i will not make fun of you anymore for not being a"real"muslem.I'm glad we can differantciate between the pathetic "moslem",and Ahmadi MUSLIMA.But i will not stop TRYING to explain to you that islam will ever rule America,it just not ever gunna happin..
patriot4: "Think you got me wrong"
I'll assume you meant that you're not trying to "rescue" Naseem. I believe you. As to calling you a "feminist", I can assure you, I didn't mean it as a dirty word - I meant it as a compliment.
Like I said - a redneck with a heart of gold.:-)
Moslemguy
While your responses did nothing to improve my views about Islam (which I believe was your aim when you offered to answer people's questions), I do appreciate your candor in not lying or covering up what actually happens. You would, however, have done better not resorting to Tu Quoque arguments, since no non-Muslim country today has anything remotely similar to what is standard operating procedure in every Islamic country.
I know that Islam has nothing like a golden rule, but if the shoe was on the other foot, would you have felt any easier about what you know my goals were?
You did sound friendly initially, but knowing what we do about your (plural) goals, there is no reason for us not to view your presence in our lands as a threat to our freedoms, and ultimately our survival. But nice talking to you. I do hope for your sake that some day, you discover a faith (any faith) different from Islam.
o.k Caroline,
just didnt want you think i was switchin sides or somethin,sorry
This debate that has been taking place reminds us, Christians in a special way that we must be able to offer Muslims opportunities to do better and to get away from doing violent jihad. The best thing we can do is pray and to teach by our postings.
bigcatgirl13106:
I agree with your last posting.
Have you ever heard the saying "You can trap more flies with sugar than with vinegar?"
This proverb has some meaning for the way a message is conveyed.
It serves no purpose to be mean spirited towards Muslims on this website.
Johnathan,
Thank you for making my day. God Bless.
Getting back to the subject onhand, it is true that all we can do is what I mention in the above posting, and believe me, I do make my share of mistakes, in the end, that is what is the best route to go.
سبحان الله... so you are telling me that a women who is "free" to wear whatever she watns to wear.. it could be a women on the beach who shows her pu$$y and boobs to guys and eventually gets fuc#ed by multiple guys at the same time, or even a women wearing normal tight pants and a tight shirt has more rights than a women who covers her body and full of honor?
You guys use indeed vaine, weak arguments agains something true and strong that even your common sense recognizes to be true.
indeed the quran is true :
18:56 We only send the apostles to give Glad Tidings and to give warnings: But the unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the truth, and they treat My Signs as a jest, as also the fact that they are warned!
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Women in Christianity=
I can show you verses from the holy bible that you would be ashamed to even read them :d.
Why do you want to open a door on yourselves? Please just let me stay quiet.
* X-Rated Pornography and Lesbianism in the Bible.
* Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible.
* doughters making their father drunk to get pregnant from him.
Go learn your own bible first, then come talk about islam! Thats the word of god, sex, rape, pregnant, lie? Fear god people, fear god because everyone will die one day and every person will be asked about what he did in his/her life.
22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him."
23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing."
25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.
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Sexy right? Now what are you going to tell me? We don't believe in the old testament? lol. ok. Just don't lie to yourself, you see, i don't really care about you so don't fool yourself.
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Ok Islam is a religion of violence, sex, rape... Just leave it alone and worry about yourselves first. Find out what is the correct bible (oh, how many bibles do you guys have? over 2,000 did you know that?, but wait, who is true? a christian? catholic? jahova wittness?, church of god...? which one? i'm confused? lol, wait one more thing quickly, did you know that after 2006 years they just found a new "book" that belongs to the bible. lol its about time to find it.)
You are just smart when it comes to coppying and pasting links and pictures of whihch you don't even know nothing about...
so ok, I can do that as well.
Here we go
http://soc.enotes.com/catholic-child-abuse-article
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Look, almost 1 million children molested in the US, YES, we need ISLAM in the US.
An estimated 906,000 children were determined to be victims of child abuse or neglect for 2003. The rate of victimization per 1,000 children in the national population has dropped from 13.4 children in 1990 to 12.4 children in 2003.
priests again
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/05/24/italy.pedophilia/index.html
http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm03/summary.htm
http://www.jimhopper.com/abstats/#official-us
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/14/nun.slain.ap/index.html
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/29/vatican.gays/index.html
By the way mis compadres (my rusty espanol), has anyone though why more catholic priests are molesting children? Because they changed gods word by denying marrige, so they turn to kids. Not marrying women is also a form of abuse to women= why priests cannot marry women. Go! you like this?
We have a saying in Arabic which means (and what is hidden is greater or "وما خفي اعظم") so there are lotsss of hidden things from the media which we don't really see, and its Much, much greater.
I say that we all go and solve the problems of the church, who is correct? catholic, christian... sounds better than worrying about other peoples problems?
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/160/160_34.asp
http://www.carm.org/jw/cult.htm
TO ALL WHO Showed me the picture of the guy hitting the women, or the "suicide bombers"
WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS?
http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive2004/may/war_2004_may_images_4.html
what do you call this?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/20001204_xndku_shooting.jpg
Oh wait... i forgot, those people are terrorists?
I want to ask, how the hell do you guys know?
So i say again, how about leave us alone, and fix your problems first?
Infidel Pride:
My friend, Infidel Pride:
a quote from you "While your responses did nothing to improve my views about Islam (which I believe was your aim when you offered to answer people's questions)"
Not really what i want, i can care less if other people like or hate islam. But i had other goals.
Why i care less if you hate or like islam?
Because from the quran:-
6:164 (Every soul draws the meed of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear of burdens can bear the burden of another. Your goal in the end is towards Allah. He will tell you the truth of the things wherein ye disputed.)
So the most thing i can tell you at the end is: from the holy quran again, (109:6 To you be your Way, and to me mine.)
People who hate islam were there ever since Islam started... and of course they will still be there until the end of time or until Jesus (peace be with him) returns to earth.
Like i said, i have other goals in mind, not to try to make you like islam.
TC (take care)
Infidel Pride:
My friend, Infidel Pride:
a quote from you "While your responses did nothing to improve my views about Islam (which I believe was your aim when you offered to answer people's questions)"
Not really what i want, i can care less if other people like or hate islam. But i had other goals.
Why i care less if you hate or like islam?
Because from the quran:-
6:164 (Every soul draws the meed of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear of burdens can bear the burden of another. Your goal in the end is towards Allah. He will tell you the truth of the things wherein ye disputed.)
So the most thing i can tell you at the end is: from the holy quran again, (109:6 To you be your Way, and to me mine.)
People who hate islam were there ever since Islam started... and of course they will still be there until the end of time or until Jesus (peace be with him) returns to earth.
Like i said, i have other goals in mind, not to try to make you like islam.
TC (take care)
You want to be left alone?
Its a deal. Take your tu quoque, get your sh*t, gather up all your mohammedan buddies, your worthless family, and head on out to the islamic Republic of Dumbassistan or wherever. Don't let the door hit you.
Get out of the West and take your prescious islam with you. There are more of you people here than there are Westerners in qur'anian countries.
Don't you worry about the West's problems. Go back to the desert with your murderous and smug ways and mind your own business. Quit butchering people and running your collective mouths and we'll leave you alone.
Keep talking your crap and causing trouble where you're not even wanted, you'll find out what its like to get the West's full attention.
You'll see just how uncivilized we can be.
I guarantee you won't like it.
PO (not 'post office', you seem like a smart boy, I'm sure you can figure it out)
Eisenhund:
Look whose talkin...
of course, we can be moe "uncivilized", so don't worry and STFU.
You don't even belong to the US. Because the US is a mix of races and religions...
"You don't even belong to the US."
-moslemguy at April 30, 2006 04:40 PM
Wrong again, mohammedan.
Born and raised American and a 13 year Army Infantry veteran.
What does that mean? That means that when I tell you to 'STFU', I can back it up, right before throwing your ass on a plane back to allah's armpit. There are alot more like me in this country than there are of your ilk.
You're not needed here, you're not wanted here, and if you try to change my country, you won't be here.
One way or another.
Moslemguy has simply lost it. I pity the fool.
You notice that too, bigcatgirl13106?
When the thread got a little long in the tooth, he apparently thought no one would be looking and quit choking down the mohammedan hydrophobic froth.
Eisenhund,
Sadly, yes, I have noticed how moslemguy when he first came on, posted like he was reasonable. But both yesterday and today, sounded like he has gone off the deep end. With Naseem and the others, at least you can have reasonable debate. But this one poster, (Moslemguy ), shaking my head in disbelief, if I tried to have reasonable debate, he would try to use the Bible and a bunch of URL's to try to be offensive of those who are Christian and Jewish. So I kept the posts to a simple few. Guess some you just simply cannot debate without going balistic.
Showing stuff from the Bible to try to respond to posts in refernces to the Koran is like comparing apples to oranges.
Heh.
Where I'm from, we don't debate rabid dogs. We put 'em down.
Did you see the thread about Robert Spencer having to deal with the nuts? I asked over there if a full moon is due soon. I suspect we are dull for the one. The nuts are out in full force.
In any case, I've wasted enough time on the islamo-sociopaths that spew their filth whenever they can. Including this one.
The answer to their crap less and less seems to involve the use of language.
Except, maybe, the language of the gun.
Even ol' Mo would understand that one.
I was reading that one when I checked back here.
They're like earthworms after a heavy rain.
You got that right. The less debate, the better.
Quote my friend Eisenhund:
"Wrong again, mohammedan.
Born and raised American and a 13 year Army Infantry veteran.
What does that mean? That means that when I tell you to 'STFU', I can back it up, right before throwing your ass on a plane back to allah's armpit. There are alot more like me in this country than there are of your ilk.
You're not needed here, you're not wanted here, and if you try to change my country, you won't be here.
One way or another."
Eisenhund:
You are my best friend, so i want you to know that the truth always comes out by itself.
Wow, momy, momy protect me! i'm very scared you're going to "throw my ass on a plane back to alla's armpit"
Do you know that "allah's armpit" countries are richer than the US? Do you know they are cleaner than the US? Do you know they use better technology than what we use in the US? Ever heard of Dubai? Qatar? Jeddah?
Just the fact that you think that they are behind shows me that you are uneducated. Go!
Maybe you think "allah's armpit" is so behind and they still ride Camels. lol... You are so smart. The people there can buy you and sell you while you are still standing! lol.
I was born and raised in the US too.
I love this country with all my heart and i know this country needs Islam more than anywhere else. And inshallah (god willing), little by little it will change because we need a solution for all the problems our societies are facing here in the US. Sex, rape, murders, theft... you name it, it will all go away with Islam.
Eisenhund: Listen, something for your information: from the bible "Only the truth can set you free" and this is very true...
You can talk shit all you want about islam... but the truth will always stay and it will come out at the end.
Be a man Eisenhund, men don't make threats.
I can talk shit about you all i want here... but nope. there is no reason for. i don't even know who the hell you are.
Good Luck (GL)
By the way Mr Eisenhund, I'm a West Point student, so if i tell you to STFU, i really mean it... what does that mean?
Adios Amigos!
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Moslemguy wrote:
" Sex, rape, murders, theft... you name it, it will all go away with Islam."
Excuse me.... but Muslim countries are not beacons of moral purity and social harmony.
What a joke.
Polygamy, wife beating, drug use, corruption, murders, and theft are common problems in Islamic countries.
The Koran is the cause for the Muslim approach to equality and justice.
Muhammad set a very immoral precedence with his practice of polygamy (and incest). He was also a murderer on the battle field and raided villages. This is not virtuous behavior fitting of a "prophet."
Islamic justice for theft= chopping hands off a person= barbaric behavior.
Did you know that the majority of rapists in Australia and Norther European countries these days are Muslim men?
Muhammad was just a sinful human man who made himself out to be a prophet.
There is nothing holy about his life.
The following religious texts show the immmoral actions of Muhammad:
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Here is how the Prophet used to have fun and sex with his child bride.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).
You say you're a West Point student, moslemguy?
Okay, I say I'm in SFOD-Delta.
Keep talkin' mohammedan. We all know you're liars.
Those Arab countries you mentioned that are so "high-tech"? What do they produce?
Nothing.
The technology is for toys.
As for me being uneducated, I graduated a long time ago. If you really are in a college, you might want to shut your big mouth and learn something before its too late.
You can take what I say as a threat, a warning, or a promise, I really don't care. I've dropped enough of you qur'an bangers in my time, a few more won't hurt. That's not a threat, that's a statement of fact. In any case, your sharia garbage and anything else in that vile mumbo-jumbo book or yours isn't going to rule here.
Don't bother responding, boy. I'm done with you. You can run along and play now.
BTW, mosboy. If you know anything about West Point, you'll know about the oath soldiers swear.
Particularly that part about defending the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign or domestic".
Based on what you say, you would fall under the 'domestic' category, mohammedan. Perhaps if you really were at USMA (that's the real name, jackass, West Point is a town), your instructors would like to know how you feel about the Constitution of the US? Or that you're basically admitting that you lie on your oath?
Keep up your crap, men like me who have served and did it with honor will be waiting. You won't like what happens when you push things to the point where our oath compells us to act.
Go ahead and spout back like a child again if you like. I don't really care how you take it, as long as you understand.
Sorry boy, that was it.
Now I've wasted enough time on you.
"Moslemguy wrote:
" Sex, rape, murders, theft... you name it, it will all go away with Islam."
"Excuse me.... but Muslim countries are not beacons of moral purity and social harmony. "
Johnathan,
Also briefly, I can add, as was the case this past Friday, thanks to Saudi Arabia, this site, with DW and a number of other websites and blogs went down for a couple of hours due to a " deniel of service " attack, ( DoS ). This massive attack I have read, came from that country, the home of Mecca. The action was a pure act of cyber terrorism.
Also just reading what you have posted from the Koran is enough to shock and disgust me, how can folks believe in this stuff?
Take care.
"BTW, mosboy. If you know anything about West Point, you'll know about the oath soldiers swear.
Particularly that part about defending the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign or domestic".
Based on what you say, you would fall under the 'domestic' category, mohammedan. Perhaps if you really were at USMA (that's the real name, jackass, West Point is a town), your instructors would like to know how you feel about the Constitution of the US? Or that you're basically admitting that you lie on your oath?
Keep up your crap, men like me who have served and did it with honor will be waiting. You won't like what happens when you push things to the point where our oath compells us to act.
Go ahead and spout back like a child again if you like. I don't really care how you take it, as long as you understand. "
___
ما شاء الله I'm proud that you are very patriotic. Well, i don't think that America was founded on people who call others "jackasses, crap.." and use street language. I think it took more educated people to build America into what it is today.
You don't know that people like me are helping America to be a better place to live; one way I can do this is by commanding good and forbidding evil things in societies. In Islam, we must command good and forbid evil (الامر بالمعروف والنهي حن المنكر) how? Three ways Islam tells us to do so:-
1- By action (building schools, building places for the young kids to spend time at rather than the street…)
2- If you can’t then, verbally denying evil things.
3- If you can’t even do that, then by our heart. If we can do none of the above, then at least we should know its wrong and stay away from it.
What’s commanding good and forbidding evil?
Commanding what is right and forbidding what is wrong provides a mechanism whereby the Muslim Ummah can fight off various social, moral and spiritual ills and maintain a healthy and dynamic life.
"(Luqman said to his son:) O my son: Establish regular prayer, command the proper and forbid the improper and bear with patience and steadfastness whatever difficulties you have to face (as a result)." (31:17)
"You are the best community ever brought forth for mankind (in that) you command the proper and forbid the improper and believe in God." (3:110)
This is the secret why Moslems countries have fewer problems in the society. Example, they have far less rape, far less thieves, murders... crime is lower there because we command good and forbid evil by one of the three ways mentioned above.
You never walk in the street worried that someone will rob you… or that your car will be stolen… crime happens everywhere of course, but far much less than what we see here in our country. So God willing, little by little people start to learn and get a way out of their problems.
I know some Christian brothers (the christian preacher who wanted me to accept jesus as a savior became moslem). Really, they are like my brothers because they are very good people, they try to make people love their religion which is very good and I never forget them in my prayers. They teach me about Christianity and tell me that basically Jesus (peace be with him) died to wash away our sins, and that he died for you and me…Ok, you believe so. But my friends, that’s why non Moslem people sin (having in their mind that Jesus died to wash away their sins). But also, Christian people believe that there is hell and heaven. Why do you have to do good if Jesus died for your sins anyway? Since you are guaranteed paradise, just do every sin and at the end say Jesus “peace be with him” died to wash away my sins.
In Islam, of course there is hell and heaven, like you guys told me (my sister Caroline, specifically). "while Muslims are all self-appointed little "Gods on earth" meting out painful punishments to the unbelievers here on earth. That makes you folks infinitely more dangerous than fundamentalist Christians.”
Caroline my sister, peace be with you السلام عليكم. God promised people who do evil things in this life a painful punishment in this life and in the hereafter. And of course, its up to him to punish who and forgive who “2:284 To Allah belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth. Whether ye show what is in your minds or conceal it, Allah Calleth you to account for it. He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and punisheth whom He pleaseth, for Allah hath power over all things.”
But he promised bad people a painful punishment.
For example:
“9:34 O ye who believe! there are indeed many among the priests and anchorites, who in Falsehood devour the substance of men and hinder (them) from the way of Allah. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah. announce unto them a most grievous penalty”
“2:174 Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit,- they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; Allah will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty.”
So my sister Caroline, these are all promises from god for people who change his words, or people who don’t give charity to the poor if they can or or… or…
Do you think a good person is equal to a bad person who kills and rapes and steels? no my sister. no my sister.
But also, god promised the pious, good people very nice things, like:
“32:19 For those who believe and do righteous deeds are Gardens as hospitable homes, for their (good) deeds.”
“:25 But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).”
“3:198 On the other hand, for those who fear their Lord, are Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath; therein are they to dwell (for ever),- a gift from the presence of Allah. and that which is in the presence of Allah is the best (bliss) for the righteous.”
“5:12 Allah did aforetime take a covenant from the Children of Israel, and we appointed twelve captains among them. And Allah said: "I am with you: if ye (but) establish regular prayers, practise regular charity, believe in my apostles, honour and assist them, and loan to Allah a beautiful loan, verily I will wipe out from you your evils, and admit you to gardens with rivers flowing beneath; but if any of you, after this, resisteth faith, he hath truly wandered from the path or rectitude."
I’m sorry for writing much. Forgive me if I offended anyone?
PBWYA (peace be with you all )
Devil quoting scripture. 'Nuff said on that point.
You think I care if you try to insult my educational level? Trust me, I've spent more years in school than you have. Let's not get into what a friggin' hypocrite you are, sniveling about how insulted you are. Go back and read your own posts before you talk about how others speak to you. Oh, but that's typical mohammedan logic. Something's only wrong when someone else does it, either initially or in response to you. Its okay for qur'anians to initiate or respond, though. Wipe your tears little baby and grow up.
I judge you on what you say not how you say it.
You might also read some of the things the founding fathers actually wrote. Compared to them, I've been easy on you. They not only called each other names, they used swords and guns over disputes. Try doing some research before you run your mouth, you sophistic child.
Just the fact that you think islam will be tolerated as a legal system shows how uneducated and out of touch to an almost schizophrenic degree you are.
For the last time. Islam is contrary to the Constitution. It will not be the law here. Get used to it. You want to live like that, go somewhere where its already in force. Maybe one of those Gulf countries about which you were gushing?
That sharia dung of which you are so enamored will not be tolerated nor will its proponents.
PS - You might want to get Caroline's permission before you call her "sister". Unless you mean it sarcastically, I imagine she'll take exception to your familiarity. She has less tolerance for you people than I do.
PPS - You don't care who you offend, so knock off the false apologia. All the sugar in the world sprinkled over dog feces doesn't change its nature. Every one who reads your posts knows what you're about, despite how much you try spin it. Say what you like about me, at least I'm not a snake oil salesman. I have more respect for the readers than you do.
Eisenhund:
One more thing i can hold you about you, is you don't know that "allah" means God in arabic. Even in versions of the Arabic bible, God = Allah or الله.
the same God.
Check this out my friends.
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/yusuf.asp
http://groups.msn.com/musulmanesysimpatizantes/ingls.msnw
Johnathan,
This book is confirmation of the reality that in truth, the largest and fastest growing faith is still the Christian faith. The global south is where the growth is greatest and where the new missionaries will be coming from.
Here is the URL of the book.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195146166/104-6979688-5107919?v=glance&n=283155
For one thing, that whole "Allah is the same as the Judeo-Christian God" garbage has been covered and discarded long before now. We all know that 'allah' is not based on the deity of either the Jews or the Christians. If you weren't so arrogant and weren't so busy thinking that you're smarter than everybody else, you'd know that.
What's that? The fact that most of us aren't mohammedans just shows that we're not as smart as you?
Sure, whatever.
(BTW - for future reference, those who repeatedly try to imply that another lacks education usually lacks it themselves. I can tell by your smug attitude that you have alot of catching-up to do.)
Put that tired old smokepot back in your sack.
Secondly, why the hell should I care about your little god definitions? You assume that because I'm American I'm also Christian?
I've never espoused any religious affiliation.
I honestly don't give a damn what religion you practice, except when its islam. You picked the one that seeks to impose itself on everyone else, with force if deemed by its followers as necessary.
You need to read the Constitution and understand it, esp. the 1st Amendment. Your sharia runs as contrary as can be to the latter. You and your co-religionists will not be permitted to usurp the authority of that document.
Have no doubt when I tell you that you will be stopped and there's nothing you can do about it.
Like I said, if you like your little book so much, go somewhere where its already in effect. It ain't gonna happen here. The law of my country says so. If you loved your country as much as you say you do, you'd realize that, and not seek to put your cult's rules above the law of the land.
The fact that you don't tells me that you're a liar. You love your pedophiliac, thieving, murduring, schizophrenic, sociopathic, paranoid "prophet" more than you love America. Drop the act.
You're fighting a losing battle, trying to "prove" that mohammedanism is anything that it is not. We all know what you people are about. You demonstrate it yourself when people don't accept your "crap" and question your beliefs. If you're so mature, intelligent, enlightened, and educated, why do you keep lowering yourself to my level? Can't help yourself? Just have to whine and get insulting. Typical of your average petulant little islamist.
"My faith is so perfect, how dare you not accept it?!"
"You're obviously uneducated, otherwise you'd see things my way."
That about sums up your attitude.
Pound sand, boy.
moslemguy,
If as you say, Islam commands good and not evil, why is this horrible current event going on in a certain African country called the Sudan, in a place called Darfur?
This URL shows pictures of what is really going on. These pictures do not lie.
http://www.ushmm.org/conscience/alert/darfur/steidle/
The above current event makes it a lie what was posted by you :
"You don't know that people like me are helping America to be a better place to live; one way I can do this is by commanding good and forbidding evil things in societies. In Islam, we must command good and forbid evil (????? ???????? ?????? ?? ??????) how? Three ways Islam tells us to do so:-
1- By action (building schools, building places for the young kids to spend time at rather than the street…)
2- If you can’t then, verbally denying evil things.
3- If you can’t even do that, then by our heart. If we can do none of the above, then at least we should know its wrong and stay away from it.
What’s commanding good and forbidding evil?
Commanding what is right and forbidding what is wrong provides a mechanism whereby the Muslim Ummah can fight off various social, moral and spiritual ills and maintain a healthy and dynamic life. "
Harsh as this post is, the truth has to be told.
Eisenhund,
After reading the most recent posts from moslemguy, and hearing what has been going on in Darfur, the truth about what the Muslim faith has done in certain parts of the world must be shown. People are no longer foolde by this song and dance act.
Moslemguy (today): “Well, i don't think that America was founded on people who call others "jackasses, crap.." and use street language. I think it took more educated people to build America into what it is today.”
Moslemguy (yesterday): “so you are telling me that a women who is "free" to wear whatever she watns to wear.. it could be a women on the beach who shows her pu$$y and boobs to guys and eventually gets fuc#ed by multiple guys at the same time,..:
Moselmguy (today) : “Keep up your crap,”
Moslemguy: “Commanding what is right and forbidding what is wrong provides a mechanism whereby the Muslim Ummah can fight off various social, moral and spiritual ills and maintain a healthy and dynamic life.”
Muhammad ripped off half of what sounds like good, spiritually sounding stuff from the local Jews and Christians. But then he perverted the whole message into his all too human (as opposed to spiritual), narcissistic, divisive, and Arab-tribal mentality.
Example: it is the Muslim Ummah which must fight off what it views as various forms of evil – the primary evil, of course, being “unbelief”. Which means that the dar al_islam is in a permanent state of war with the dar al-harb – the unbelievers. Which means in Muhammad’s twisted and evil mind, passed down to you, it is considered virtuous to deprive individual human beings of their autonomy of conscience and to even kill them in cold blood for their disbelief in order to protect the “tribe” of believers – the ummah. That is evil.
“This is the secret why Moslems countries have fewer problems in the society. Example, they have far less rape, far less thieves, murders... crime is lower there because we command good and forbid evil by one of the three ways mentioned above.”
See my 2:16 post above.
“Caroline my sister, peace be with you..”
Why do you people so hypocritically wish peace upon those whom you would so readily deprive of their human rights or even outright murder for “disbelief”?
You are familiar with the term “forked-tongue”, aren’t you? And if not, I strongly suggest you look it up.
“So my sister Caroline, these are all promises from god for people who change his words, or people who don’t give charity to the poor if they can…”
Muslims only give charity to Muslims – to their own. That’s called self-interest. Self-interest has nothing to do with spirituality. It has everything to do with Ego. Muhammad was the consummate egoist and he’s passed on those values to you, his ignorant followers.
“Do you think a good person is equal to a bad person who kills and rapes and steels?”
No. That is how I know that Jesus was superior to Muhammad and that the latter – who killed and raped and stole – was an evil man and a false prophet.
“But also, god promised the pious, good people very nice things, like:
“32:19 For those who believe and do righteous deeds are Gardens as hospitable homes, for their (good) deeds.””
No. Muhammad, the charlatan, promised fools like you carnal delights in the afterlife so he could get them to go along with his earthly material pursuits of theft, rape, and murder. He inculcated into his followers the same self-interest that drove him and the same tribalism that was all he knew as a mortal man living in 7th century Arabia. And he was clever enough to dress up all this ordinary, egocentric human evil in the transcendent language of spirituality that he ripped off from the Jews and Christians around him. And fools like you are still walking in his lying footsteps and speaking with the same forked-tongue.
-bigcatgirl
Yeah, I've said it before, but this time I'm done with him. Just like one cannot turn a cancerous cell back into an integrated, contributing part of the physique, once the qur'an has done its psychic damage, the individual is a lost cause.
All we can do is isolate and watch them, excising them when they metastisize.
I've had my fun rattling his cage and watching him fling his leavings like an excited chimp, futilely trying to defend his religion, then turn around and try to act all sweet and reasonable. His successive postings read like those of a bruised ego, first turning purple-blue, then to yellow. Simultaneously lash out and play the wounded victim.
Likes to talk down to people, but can't help acting the same way himself.
I couldn't really care less what he thinks of me as long as he believes me. If I have to put my fatigues back on and put down seditionists in my own country, I will be very unhappy. My .338 Lapua rounds seem to go a little farther and get a little more accurate when I'm unhappy.
Should have said:
"but for a few, rare exceptions, once the qur'an has done its psychic damage, the individual is a lost cause."
Moslemguy: "I love this country with all my heart and i know this country needs Islam more than anywhere else."
As Eisenhund has made abundantly clear - no - you DO NOT love this country. You have made it abundantly clear that you would love to see Sharia law replace the US Constitution. What an idiot you are. You cannot see that the reason this country is what it is because of our Constitution and that as soon as fools like you were to succeed in replacing our constitution with Sharia law that our country would look like any hellhole in the Middle East. What is it about basic cause and effect that you fail to understand here? Again - as Eisenhund said - if you think countries governed by Sharia law are the catws meow then MOVE TO ONE of them and live there! But on some level you must know that you are deluding yourself. By now many of us have figured out there are a great many ignorant Muslim fools like you living among us who are equally in denial not only about the falseness of your faith but also about its root connection to the failures of your own societes - failures which have caused you to come by the millions to the countries of the west while noone here wants to go live in your 3rd world hellholes. Yet you have the absolute GALL to claim that if we just had more Islam - the very thing which has ruined your societies - we would be better off. If people like you don't start facing up to your deluded beliefs, and if you narcissistically insist upon forcing not only your deluded beliefs but all the deleterious consequences which have flowed from them - onto our own manifestly superior societies ( and I mean superior in every way - spiritually included and people like you or your parents are voting with their feet on that score - make no mistake about it) then you will be caught up in a massive backlash of free peoples in the west fighting for their very lives against your ignorance and the tyranny that stems from it which we very well understand will eventually turn our societies into the same kind of 3rd world hellholes you, or your parents, fled from in the first place.
bigcatgirl13106:
thanks for the URL. I own the book The Next Christendom. I have heard Philip Jenkins speak a few years ago while attending a west coast Catholic university. He is an interesting scholar to listen to. I agree with Jenkins's overall theory about the growth of the church in the southern hemisphere. Christianity is growing at a very fast pace in Africa and Asia. Faster than Islam.
Muslims believe that Muhammad revealed the final truth for humanity.
This is unbelieveable considering the very immoral and sinful life that Muhammad led.
Muhammad was plagued with vices.
The first among them being sexual incest with a minor- Aelisha.
Disgusting!
Muhammad advocated for jihad and used violence to achieve it.
I am offended by Muslims's claim that Muhammad has higher authority than Jesus.
As a Catholic, I believe that Jesus is the the final revealer of truth for humanity.
Update:
I was just at my local mosque praying Isla and a christian brother just imbraced Islam.
Read the Quran. Ok, say whatever you want about it. But read it first.
or you can grasp a few things from sister Monica.
http://www.turntoislam.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=75&Itemid=27
Update: No one cares about some fool who's decided that he's tired of thinking for himself.
Just have to have the last word, don't you? The rest of us have moved on, you should too.
Or is this psychotically obsessive need to be acknowledged as right another symptom of islamic brain damage?
You are indeed a sad little boy.
Seek help.
Johnathan,
"As a Catholic, I believe that Jesus is the the final revealer of truth for humanity. "
As a Christian and a Catholic, I second that agreement. For truly Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father. As he said :
" I am the way, the truth, and the life, no can come to the father except through me. "
John 14:6