Hmmm. Why might CAIR not have been invited to this? Maybe because it has had five officials associated with various terrorism-related activities and no longer contests statements connecting it with Hamas, and the organizers of the rally quite sensibly didn't want people from such a group tainting their advocacy of the right of the people of Darfur to be protected from jihad genocide.
"Islamic Group Questions Darfur Rally's 'True Agenda,'" from CNS News, with thanks to all who sent this in:
(CNSNews.com) - An Islamic advocacy group wants to know why no one from the major American Muslim groups was invited to speak at Sunday's rally to "stop the genocide" in Darfur.The Council on American-Islamic Relations noted that CAIR and other American Muslim groups, including the Islamic Society of North America, the Islamic Circle of North America, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, and the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, are members of the Save Darfur Coalition.
Although several Muslims spoke at the rally, "they do not represent Islamic groups that are coalition members," CAIR said in a Sunday press release.
Earlier this month, after noticing the lack of Muslim speakers on the program, CAIR said it wrote to rally organizers asking to have a representative speak at the rally.
The Save Darfur Coalition never replied to CAIR's letter, CAIR said, even though CAIR is an original signatory of the coalition's founding "Unity Statement."
"It is unfortunate that the Save Darfur Coalition chose not to list any mainstream American Muslim groups in the rally program," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad. "This disturbing omission calls into question the coalition's true agenda at the rally."
Awad said rally participants would have benefited from hearing American Muslim leaders offer support for those suffering in Darfur and in neighboring areas.
He added that CAIR recently renewed its call to end the violence and suffering in Darfur, asking American Muslims to contact their elected representatives to urge government action.
Awad noted that the conflict in Darfur often is portrayed in racial and religious terms, with "Arabs" killing "black Africans."
CAIR says the conflict is about politics, and it has warned that some people may be exploiting the suffering to promote political or religious agendas.
In other words, CAIR wants to obscure the fact that not only Osama bin Laden, but also officials of the Khartoum government, have referred to the Darfur genocide as a jihad.
"The Darfur crisis is deeply troubling to our community," CAIR Government Affairs Director Corey Saylor said last week. "We support measures that will end the fighting and stabilize the area so that aid groups can do their work."
For CAIR to come to that protest rally in Washington D.C. is like inviting the KKK to a civil rights march. Thanks, but no thanks to CAIR
I'm sure if the promoters of the rally thought CAIR was of any use, they would have invited them. Maybe someone can see through the bullsh#t. Maybe they know the true cause of the problem in Darfur.
All they would have done is whine and lie about how it has nothing to do with Islam, and how Israsel is MUCH MUCH worse.
I know someone at CAIR monitors this site...CAIR, please go away. When your jihadi buddies finally get a nuke into America and set it off, don't look for liberals like me to come to your defense.
If anyone knows a "moderate" Muslim or gets a chance to debate one, ask them very simply, "Do you want to see Muslim law, Sharia, implemented in America?"
If "yes" ask them why not move to a nation that already has them...why should we all have to change when there are already Muslim utopias set up for their pious honor (e.g. Iran, Saudi Arabia.)
If "no" ask them which part of Sharia they disagree with. Make them be specific.
fanorollins@yahoo.com
"This disturbing omission calls into question the coalition's true agenda at the rally."
Their true agenda, stop being killed by jihadeys.
I can see why CAIR is upset about that.
Speaking of Sharia.... I have been after Mr. Spencer for over a year to start a third site, "Shariawatch.org". Does anyone else here agree with me? Please make this known if you do.
I think that emphasising the specter of Sharia is one thing that could really bring more liberals over to our side... after all, liberals like me have MORE TO LOSE to a potential Islamic takeover. If you don't believe me, just ask the liberals, secularists, atheists, etc. that helped oust the Shah from Iran. Oh wait, you can't ask them; they all went to the gallows.
kj
KJ:
Thanks, but I do regular Sharia Alerts at Dhimmi Watch. To my mind, that covers it.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
eh,,,kj, unless you are a woman, I think women would have more to lose than anyone. Sure, if you're rich you'd probably lose it, but if you're a woman, you lose EVERYTHING!
kj,
With all due respect, if the information presented at JihadWatch and DhimmiWatch doesn't convince liberals to join the fight against Jihad, what makes you think another website will? Both JW and DW already provide extensive coverage of Sahria.
You are the exception to most liberals. The average liberal who comes across JW, the first thing he/she thinks is what a bunch of Islamophobic racists we are here. The liberal "movement" for the most part does not even recognize Jihad as something we should fear. To them GW Bush is the threat, not Islam.
Hopefully, more liberals like yourself will have the common sense to see the light. And it isn't just liberals who need to wise up. As a right wing conservative and Republican, I'm dismayed at the President and his administration's continued description of Islam as a "Religion of Peace hijacked by radicals." There's a whole lot of wising up needed on both the Left and the Right if Western Civilization is to survive.
Proud Infidel
Although I'm annoyed that the left has only taken notice of this issue since the Sudanese Islamofascists started killing fellow Muslims (they couldn't have cared less when the Islamofascists were killing Christians, for more than 20 years now), anything that divides the coalition of the left and Islam is good news for all. Heh.
The left tends to blind itself to outside threats, but the right tends to blind itself to internal threats.
I do think that at this time, Bush and company are a greater threat to this country than terrorism. Undermining our constitution and consolidating power are indications of dictatioral desires. An uninhibited "president" whoes main interest is in making his social circle more weathly will not protect the general public. In fact, fear of terrorist attack is used to keep us in line.
If we decided to fully engage terrorism it wouldn't pose a significant threat to our way of life. No, we haven't decided to do that yet, but there is time.
One of the crimes of this administration is to convince the public that our only threat is from terrorism, when in reality we face more dangers from natural disasters, global warming, and polution.
Yes, terrorism is a threat. Yes, it is mostly from muslims. And no, we haven't admited this openly. But it is not the greatest threat to us. The most success that terrorism can have is to scare us into destroying our way of life ourselves.
I think that Robert and Proud Infidel has the right of it in that this site covers it all and should convince people who visit that what is said here by Robert and all at JW/DW is a valid viewpoint that needs to be considered seriously by everyone.
I found this site by accident and after some months of visiting and reading I began to see the tenor of the argument and became convinced that serious matters were raised here and that serious answers were needed - from us and from the moslems. I am no longer surprised by the fact that we don't get reasoned responses from moslems. The information on this site has taught me why that is.
I would describe myself as an old-fashioned British liberal so therefore not particularly of the left or right. Perhaps 'radical' in the old-fashioned sense of that word would be more accurate. But hey, these are just labels. What unites everybody here is support for Robert and Hugh and the others and a sharing of their perception as to the threat we face.
I have got a lot of my 'liberal' friends reading JW/DW and their reactions are not quite as Proud Infidel thinks they would be. Most of them say things like 'ah, that explains it' or 'Now I see the missing bits in the jig-saw' and I don't think that they are just being polite to me either.
Last week I introduced my boss to the site and his reaction as an older 'liberal' man was just the same - that this site answers many questions and fills in the gaps. I know that he went home and read a large bit of the archives here because he talked about it all to me the following day. I'm just the most junior person in the office but he still had a very serious conversation with me and he didn't react in the way that Proud Infidel would have expected from someone who is, perhaps but only as far as I can guess, a modern sort of liberal.
Wow, maybe we're winning a bit. The answer is to get lots more people to read this site.
Dominic.
If CAIR and any other Muslim group is really serious about the genocide in Darfur, they should simply go and work on the Sudanese govt, pressure and persuade them to stop the genocide. It is their fellow members of the Ummah that are carrying out the genocide.
Why do you care if you get to speak at forums?
Yeah, like Palestinian problem when Arab nations around don't even want to lift a finger to help. They use it to raise jihadi calls. And like the Iraq problem too.
Blind Shalom:
You wrote: "we face more dangers from natural disasters, global warming and polution."
You're an idiot.
You also wrote: "One of the crimes of this administration..."
You're a troll, too.
Just go ahead and spill it: Bush summoned Katrina as a racist attack on New Orleans to reduce the welfare burden, right?
Wake up, D.A.
What would CAIR be doing there? Has CAIR called for a removal of the Janjaweed, the enforcer of the anti-black African policy of Arab supremacists who run the Sudanese government? Has CAIR called for a discussion of the treatment of non-Arab Muslims in Iraq, where the Kurds were subject to massacres? What about the Arab cultural and linguistic imperialism that Berbers have had to endure in Algeria -- where does CAIR stand on that?
Does CAIR represent all Muslims -- or just Arab Muslims, and all those non-Arabs willing to overlook the Arab supremacist ideology within Islam?
This is a question that Kurds, Berbers, refugees from Darfur, and many other non-Arab Muslims should ask themselves -- and not be fooled by the usual nonsense and lies that so easily mislead Infidels.
Sounds like alot of Islamophobia going on, lol.
One of the best ways of "turning" liberals/lefties/pc'ers is not to refer them to this site.
I maintain e mail lists of people who need to know about islam.
no fancy titles they are
"black list"
"buddhists"
"gay list"
"Women"
"indians"
you get the picture.
I send them stories which are specific to them.
A good way to reach women is the "stopstoningnow" website.
Black people are sent stories about the Sudan and Nigeria.
And gays get the stories about well you know.
if anyone here is UK based a good tactic to try is getting to know somebody who works for a local authority or the civil service.
You can get e mail addresses of all the above groups that would be affected and start sending info after all that is what this is all about "information warfare".
regards
AI
I'm going to go into a little more depth in telling Shalom where to go. Know Your Enemy just grazed the surface.
"I do think that at this time, Bush and company are a greater threat to this country than terrorism."
Where have you been living these past five years? Have you had your ear glued to the likes of Alex Jones? In what way are they a threat? Has GHWB prevented you from acquiring the means to defend yourself? If you are worried that the NSA is going to listen in on your overseas phone calls, or if you are worried that the FBI is snooping around your house, then there probably is a good reason for the NAS and FBI to be snooping into your life. There is no way on earth the government is going to waste time investigating everybody.
“Undermining our constitution and consolidating power are indications of dictatioral (sic) desires. An uninhibited "president" whoes (sic) main interest is in making his social circle more weathly (another sic) will not protect the general public. In fact, fear of terrorist attack is used to keep us in line.” If you haven’t been listening to Alex Jones, then you are Alex Jones. You bet, I’m being kept in line. I’m afraid to check out a library book for fear of the FBI. When I buy a book I always wear a disguise and pay cash. I have been unable to find that microchip in my buttocks; I’m sure it’s there. If all of this was happening as you fear, then why is Noam Chomsky not in jail?
“One of the crimes of this administration is to convince the public that our only threat is from terrorism, when in reality we face more dangers from natural disasters, global warming, and polution (gee another sic) .” You better straighten up, Shalom or GHWB will send another hurricane to blow you and your yappy little dog back to Oz. The favorite boogey man of the left is GLOBAL WARMING. This planet has been on a warming trend since the end of the last Ice Age, and that was umpteenthousand years ago when there weren’t enough humans to fill Manhattan. Please tell me what did humans do to cause the last Ice Age to end. The most important greenhouse gas is water vapor; but no one says that except for NOAA. The EPA and Algore ignore water vapor. Humans have not “caused” this warming trend, and humans cannot reverse it; we would have to make this planet as dry as Mars. My mechanical engineering degree came from a state university, so what do I know.
“Yes, terrorism is a threat. Yes, it is mostly from muslims. And no, we haven't admited this openly. But it is not the greatest threat to us. The most success that terrorism can have is to scare us into destroying our way of life ourselves.” What’s this “mostly from muslims” crap? Did anybody named McDougal, Patel, or Goldstein hijack four airplanes five years ago?
I suggest you change your screen name from Shalom to Head-in-sand or Head-in-fundament.
There, I feel better already!
The Save Darfur Coalition was oh so PC when it started out by reaching out in a benighted sense to groups like CAIR. Notwithstanding this delicious prospect of "whining" as Bob calls it and CAIR being miffed by not being on the dias at Sunday's Washington "Save Darfur" Rally, CAIR remains one of the signatory organizations on the Save Darfur website. Don't believe me? Then go to their website at: http://www.savedarfur.org/about/signatories.
If David Rubenstein and the Save Darfur coalition organizers want to follow up on this dramatic moment, then they should expunge CAIR from their list of affiliated organizations and in fact any other Islmaist affiliated organization that they erroneously reached out to in endeavoring to be oh, so PC.
Perhaps, Bob and the talented band of anti-Jihadists should go on-line to the url link and find the names of Save Darfur Muslim members of the "Community of Faiths" and vett them and provide Rubenstein, Ruth Messenger and others in the leadership of Save the Darfur coalition with the facts about the foxes they let into the chicken coop and kick them out.
After all, as Simon Deng,ex-South Sudanese Slave acptured as booty in a razzia and Dr. Charles Jacobs chairman of the American Anti-Slavery Group said on the backlawn of the Capitol Building at the end of Deng's historic freedom walk of 300 miles between New York and Washington on April 5th: "its all about Islamist jihad, but they don't want to hear the truth."