EU Conference to discuss "Islamophobia," but not anti-Semitism

They're just sorry the Jews didn't bring their own rope to their hanging.

"All these issues will be discussed freely and openly"

If reading this article hadn't made my blood pressure go up under the roof I would be snickering at this ludicrous phrase.

For just how long can the dhimmis keep an exponentially growing problem at bay by pathologizing dissenters?

To paraphrase Roger Waters of the Pink Floyd (himself a dhimmi, I believe):

"And when the dam breaks open many years too *late*/and if there is no room upon the hill/and when your head explodes with dark forebodings too/I'll see you on the dark side of the Moon"

Thus, the lust for war and the anti-Semitic violence from the neo-Nazis, anti- Zionists and Arabs is a consequence of an inferiority complex with regard to the am segula, the chosen people of God, Israel. The Jewish religion is one with strong national ties, which will only reach their Messianic-universal fulfillment as promised by God in the Last Days.

Saber rattling: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wants to ‘wipe Israel off the map’

Ahmadinejad and CAIR need to know the end has already been written you lose!

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/

Yes, Muslims are making our lives a living he*l by blowing themselves up in pubic, so they can live in paradise, we must respect that and help them by providing welfare checks, because if we don't then we are all ignorant intolerant Nazis. O! Smart people of Islam will god one day allow our monkey and pig brains to understand such wonderful things! As someone said in a previous post, if only we could genetically engineer our foreheads to pray more then six times a day, then maybe we will understand.

This is more food for thought for those who still believe that Eurabia is just a conspiracy theory (I know there are some). This conference in Vienna about combating xenophobia and "Islamophobia" involves media figures (journalists) from all over Europe, who meet with partners from the Arab world, as a part of the Euro-Med cooperation which, according to Bat Ye'or, is an important part of the Euro-Arab Dialogue that has created Eurabia. These meting are rarely mentioned in European media, and hardly ever with any details. The meetings are part of a continuous network of politicians, NGOs, journalists etc between the Arab world and Europe.

I linked earlier to a similar meeting between EU politicians and Arab counterparts:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010829.php

MEPs and national MPs from the EU and Mediterranean countries have approved a resolution which "condemned the offence" caused by the Danish cartoons of the prophet Mohammed as well "as the violence which their publication provoked." The two-day plenary session of the Euro-Mediterranean Parliamentary Assembly, held in Brussels, also urged governments to "ensure respect for religious beliefs and to encourage the values of tolerance, freedom and multiculturalism." Speaking during the parliamentary assembly, Egyptian parliament speaker Ahmed Sorour insisted that the cartoons published in Denmark and other recent events showed the existence of a cultural deficit. Addressing the assembly, European Parliament president Josep Borrell referred to the Mediterranean as "a concentrate of all the problems facing humanity." He said that after one year presiding over the assembly he "still did not fully understand the complexities of the Mediterranean."

Meanwhile, EU leaders hardly even bother to conceal their contempt for democracy or the will of the people in Europe. The European Union quite simply needs to be destroyed:

http://euobserver.com/9/21674

The architect of the EU constitution and former French president Valery Giscard d'Estaing has called for the charter to be ratified in France through a new referendum or a parliamentary vote. Mr Giscard d'Estaing was the chairman of the European Convention, a body of EU politicians which presented the draft EU constitution in 2003, and has since been lobbying for his text despite "no" votes on the charter in France and the Netherlands last year. Mr Giscard d'Estaing indicated that the treaty could be put to French voters in a second referendum, or be ratified by the French parliament. "People have the right to change their opinion. The people might consider they made a mistake," he said on a possible new referendum.

Here is my latest essay about what is perhaps the most "Eurabian" country of all: Sweden.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/05/new-york-times-and-sweden-dark-side-of.html

The New York Times and Sweden: The Dark Side of Paradise

From the article:

... it was apparent from the schedule that the focus would be on the depiction of Islam and Muslims in the media, especially in light of the controversy surrounding the Danish cartoon lampoon of Muhammad earlier in the year.

So perhaps Muslims could stop doing things that don't look good in print. You know, things like beating a woman teacher in Thailand into a coma, murdering the young American boy Daniel Wultz in a bombing in Tel Aviv, Sentencing the young woman Nazanin to death for defending herself against rapists, and so on and so forth.

What are the EU going to do? Impose a news blackout?

And as for the Mohammed cartoons - has anyone ever heard so much fuss about nothing at such length ever before? And are the solemn conference attendees still not aware of how the incident was whipped up and by whom and why that might have been done?

One wonders if the Saudi Arabian textbooks that Robert quoted from here yesterday and that a poster described all too accurately as a "psychological training manual for jihad" will be discussed. I'd very much doubt it. Imagine the kind of warped mind that would teach children that Jews are apes and Christians swine. What an appalling crime against a young mind!

If the EU had been around in the 1930s it would have been holding conferences on Naziphobia.

SATANS RIGHT HAND MAN SAID HE DIDNT DO IT...LET HIM GO!......Tape: Bin Laden says Moussaoui not part of September 11

Osama bin Laden said Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person convicted in a US Court for the September 11 attacks, had nothing to do with the operations, according to a Web site audiotape released on Tuesday.

Bin Laden said he had personally assigned tasks to the 19 hijackers who carried out the attacks on U.S. Cities on September 11. (Reuters)

Fjordman said:

Meanwhile, EU leaders hardly even bother to conceal their contempt for democracy or the will of the people in Europe. The European Union quite simply needs to be destroyed.

Then next few years are going to be crucial for those in the EU that want to stop the emergence of Eurabia. However I just dont think that the people of the EU have the courage to do what it takes to challenge and overthrow the EU. The scars from the WWII have yet to fully heal.

Maybe if some countries start to withdraw from the EU this might get the ball rolling. Denmark could be instrumental in this. And who knows with the rise of European nationalism in response to the dawa, we may see a restucturing of the EU's political climate (I am not holding my breath though).

Fjordman great article as well "The New York Times and Sweden: The Dark Side of Paradise"

I am spreading it as far and wide as possible. Keep up the good work.

This is going to do nothing as far as changing anti semitism toward Jews in the Middle East. And if the mohammedans don't like the world's view on themselves ...THEY need to change it. You can't stop islamophobia until there is no more threats from islam. But again...that won't change. The important thing this group needs to realize is how dangerous this cult is and BAN it.

Much as I try and maintain the anti-Jihad unity by avoiding Euro-bashing, events such as these are just too galling. From the continent that gave us Nazism, Fascism and Marxism, what more could one reasonably expect?

Memo to Israel: we know that the Muslims have succeeded to a large extent in keeping you out of Asian organizations, but please, avoid trying to be a part of Europe - even culturally. Just be yourselves.

overthrow the EU

Nothing to overthrow. Simply withdraw. Of course, further down the road when there is a federal police and army the EU could take steps to stop any formerly sovereign nation seceding, but one wonders if they would think it worth the cost in blood and treasure.

However, I think it would be difficult to bring EU-withdrawal into the political arena in many member countries, owing to the quasi-fascistic lock-in that left-liberal media/political elites have managed to get on the political process, as Fjordman's mordant analysis shows for Sweden. Even in the UK, always the most sceptical of the member states, the repulsive former PR spiv David "call-me-Dave" Cameron has managed to capture the Tory Party and silence its Eurosceptic element with threats of sacking. There have also been media attempts to denigrate and smear the independent UKIP withdrawal party from the media and political class, Cameron playing his part, of course.

Here's an interesting interview with an elder statesman of the Conservative Party on the EU and why and when the UK might want to withdraw.

http://www.brugesgroup.com/mediacentre/interviews.live?article=141

The fact remains there is no such thing as "Islamophobia" because anyone who fears Islam is being quite reasonable. However, it's clear that the EU Junta is going to do it's best to stiffle any discussion of the real problem, Islam.

Fjorman's article on Sweden is outstanding, scary and a must read. The only reason I haven't lost hope that Europe can be saved is because brave people like him are still speaking out.

From the continent that gave us Nazism, Fascism and Marxism

Yeah, well, Infidel Pride. Your continent gave the world the Shining Path guerrillas, states that were little more than cocaine cartels, Fidel Castro, and Hugo Chavez.

Except that it didn't, because continents don't "give" anything. Certain political ideologies and certain political organizations seem to add the sum of human unhappiness; geographical entities don't.

The EU is certainly one of the bad ideas of the 20th century. This should not be surprising: it is a transnational organization, and despite the current ideologically-based preference for such things these are almost always a bad idea - c.f. the UN.

The EU will probably collapse under its own weight sooner rather than later. Good thing, too.

Yojimbo - thanks for the Tebbit link.

At this stage, you have to take what Cameron says with a pinch of salt. He's trying to regain the votes of the bruschetta-eaters of Islington. Hence all this codswallop about General Well Being.

He's not stupid, and he must know most Britons loathe the EU.

And we've got to get Labour out, surely, before they tax us to death and regulate our bowel movements.

We must NEVER buy into the topsy turvy doublespeak which spews from nearly every Muslim's mouth, or from the mouths of their doting apologists in the West. There is no such thing as "ISLAMOPHOBIA". It is a devious construct -- one which strives to depict the victimizer as the victim, and to depict those whom Muslims despise and victimize as perpetrators.

We saw this malignancy after 9/11 -- we saw it after Bali -- we saw it after the Beslan, Madrid and London atrocities... It is a powerful omnipresent plank of Islamic world da'wa -- a nefarious part of the Muslim Jihad to defame us, place us on the defensive, and to propel Islam.

Europe has provided the 'perfect storm' for Islam.

Yojimbo

Thanks for the Tebbit link - I had no idea he was still alive. I thought that he was badly crippled by the assassination attempt on Margaret Thatcher in the 80's, and didn't live too long after that. I was a big fan of his after his "cricket test" remark - when he challenged Asian cricket fans to cheer England as opposed to their native countries. Today, he'd have to challenge Muslims not to root for Shariah in Britain.

P.S. You are right - continents don't "give" anything. I guess I was just venting at the EU (something I try and avoid - this time, unsuccessfully) having a conference on racism, where Islam gets a total pass, while anti-Semitism, which existed not only in Nazi Germany and Soviet Union, but also in Medeaval Europe - was taken off the agenda.

I read Fjordman's article. Really sad and disturbing. Here is an example from his article of Swedish judicial logic vis a vis an Islamic entity:

'The Swedish Chancellor of Justice responded by closing the pre-trial investigation on the grounds that “the lecture did admittedly feature statements that are highly degrading to Jews (among other things, they are consistently referred to as the brothers of apes and pigs)” but pointing out that such statements “should be judged differently – and therefore be regarded as permissible – because they were used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict where calls to arms and insults are part of the everyday climate in the rhetoric that surrounds this conflict.”'

The gross and degrading insults should be permissible because:
1)they were used by one side
2)in a conflict
3)where insults were used every day [by this side].

This is not simply a tautology: it is because it is, nor even an equivalency argument, but an example of complete moral decay. I must point out that under the thin veneer of civilization the animal side always lurks (a Jewish observation which excepts no human). While we're traveling back in time to the 7th century of the Arabs, we should also consider the 7th century of the Scandinavians. Berserker warriors, those who put on the possibly physical but certainly symbolic bear's skin of battle frenzy and crazed murderousness, were accepted within Viking fighter/trader communities. They "were" because they "were". The logic of the marauders does not seem to have changed as 1400 years have passed, now expressed by the---hmmmm--Chancellor of Justice (Lewis Carroll would have had fun with this character).

He kills because he kills-so let him kill.
He steals because he steals--so let him steal.
He lies because he lies--so let him lie.
He degrades because he degrades--so let him degrade.

I don't see any moral anchor.

Fjordman:

You have done some great essays, and keep up the good work!

Why would Israel go to anything like this? They would have to be crazy. Waste of time.

I think the EU is useless, the UN is useless also.

We are losing our free speech and and culture by degrees.

Unless people see an event as the "last straw", nothing will change.
I would have thought the cartoon thing came close but obviously it didn't.
I shudder to think what it is going to take to turn "Eurabia" off course.

Infidel Pride

Yep, the "continental" argument is bad logic. Geography is political and cultural.
You have my respect for acknowledging your mistake.

People who disliked the UK being members of the EU used, years ago, to be called 'Europhobes', a word with the usual connotations of neurosis or psychological disorder. Their simple way of countering this was to refer to themselves as 'Eurosceptics' - a respectable sounding word that has caught on. You never hear of Europhobia nowadays.

What about discussing Infidelophobia ?

Hi folks, first time here looks interesting

Infidel Pride, I agree with you but you know that politicians are politicians.

OT: at the time of the Italian elections, I was peppered with questions from more or less friendly quarters about my opinion of the coming Prodi government. I have an opinion now. The last elections have been, in every sense, a catastrophe, and the worst thing to happen to Italy - and, in the long term, to the West - since 1940.

My first priority was that Berlusconi should be eliminated from the political scene. Thanks to atrocious mismanagement from the opposition, especially the incredible decision of calling extreme Communists, Greens and Radicals into the coalition, this has not happened. Berlusconi, who was a political corpse one month before the election, managed to gather centrist votes among all those who did not want a Zapaterista government; he remains the undiscussed leader of the opposition - a severe defeat would have destroyed him - and is talking of uniting most of its parties into a single one.

Out of the many reasons why Berlusconi had to go, the most obvious is the disastrous state of the national exchequer. The incoming government has found that an already bad statement of facts had actually been substantially undercounted. For the next five years, Italy will not only have to tighten its belts, but will effectively have its economic policies decided in Brussels, because the out-of-control Italian deficit now threatens the stability of the Euro. This will reduce the new government's margins of manoeuvre further, and mean that it will almost certainly have to damage the interests of its own electors.

Meanwhile, the crazy left alliance has thrown any mask of moderation it might have had to the winds. Its supposedly Catholic ministers are proving to be no more than glove puppets for Communist-Radical-Green minority, which blackmails the whole because the loss of as little as ten Senate seats would mean the end of government and early elections - which Berlusconi would win. Incapable - because of the disastrous financial crisis inherited from Berlusconi and his financial wizard Tremonti - of carrying out any economic policy of their own, these people are going to prove their "progressive" credentials by outraging the national feeling that President Ciampi had been encouraging - there is talk of stopping the national military parade on June 2, Republic Day, or even of forcing the soldiers to parade in civvies and carrying peace flags - and by picking fights with the Church - extending abortion, legalizing "civil unions", reforming the law on artificial insemination. This is profoundly stupid, since the evidence is that the majority of the Italian public wants nothing of the sort, and since the Church under Benedict XVI is a very pugnacious animal. The result is that, far from being defeated and leaving the stage in favour of less contemptible conservative leaders, Berlusconi will probably win the next national election.

Meanwhile the Communist-Green-Radicals have already stated that they want to abolish the Bossi-Fini law on immigration, and we may expect a laxer hand with immigration in general. Emma Bonino, Minister for Relationships with the EU, has again insisted, insulting her own government partners, that there is nothing particularly Christian about Europe - the lie that supports Eurabian dreams. That is another thing which the electorate is going to hate - Italians do not like mass immigration and heartily dislike Islam. If the government is mad enough to be seen to support Islamic immigration, they will be butchered at coming elections, and will have deserved it. The trouble is that then we shall have Berlusconi back, with yet another disastrous, incompetent, corrupt, crooked and spendthrift administration.

I despair of my country. Neither majority nor opposition are fit to run a whelk-stall, let alone govern a country. I have come to wonder whether the only solution is not to do a Guy Fawkes, blow every one of the bastards to the moon, and start again with a completely new crew.

HaMalach, the "logic of the marauders" you refer to I don't think goes back to ancient times: it is a recent PC multiculturalist view that is a kind of reverse racism: these PC multiculturalists look at non-Western Third World cultures which are obviously more corrupt, chaotic and on many levels inferior to the West -- and Islam is the worst of the lot -- and instead of coming to the rational conclusion which by and large Western Colonialists came to -- namely, that the West is (relatively) superior, they process the data of (to get to the point relevant to this site) Muslim cultures through a filter that churns out the conclusion that "this is just how they are, it's their nature to be violent, corrupt, intolerant, chaotic, regressive". The PC multiculturalists don't realize it and they would resist this fact, but they are the direct heirs of the Western Colonialists via the quasi-utopian world vision of the United Nations (only with an extra irrational twist): they look down in a kind of crypto-paternalistic fashion upon non-Western cultures (Muslims included) and, instead of demanding that Muslims take responsibility for their actions and become men and part of the progressive human race, they condescendingly allow them to continue acting out according to "their nature" (and, of course, "their culture" which is part of the wonderful multi-coloured fabric of the world's "tapestry"). This the PC MCs do in tandem with a context of pathologically and often morbidly excessive self-criticism of the West ("we're no better than they are, we're just as tribal as they are, we have a darkness and an internal rot beneath our false veneer of superiority and progress, etc. ad nauseam")

What is 'Islamophobia' again? Has the term ever been defined in a coherent and scholarly way? These are not rhetorical questions. Stephen Schwartz tried; the story can be found in the JihadWatch archives; but his definition is incoherent and was shown to be such by Spencer's commentary and other criticism in the comments section, as I recall.

The question is a serious one. What is being discussed at this conference, at the UN, in classes in universities in North America and Europe? Does anybody have a clear idea of the subject matter?

If there are any honest, reasonable, academically respectable attempts to define the notion, JihadWatch should post them so we all can have a look. And I am confident that if JihadWatch knew about such explanations and definitions of 'Islamophobia', they would be published for all to see.

So, to the proponents of 'Islamophobia', what is it, anyway?

Can you imagine anyone talking about 'Naziphobia' in 1940? Here's a short example of how they were in fact talking.... Ed Murrow telling Americans about the new British PM Churchill.

http://ockhamsbungalow.com/blog5/MURROW.mp3

Note the approving reference to Churchill's ability to inculcate a "climate of hate."

The difference between then and now, of course, is that our Churchills (e.g. Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Oriana Fallaci) are out of power, while our Lindberghs and Henry Fords are in control of everything.

God save us.

iSLAMAPHOBIA !!!!!

My Collins dictionary defines a phobia thus:

"an abnormal intense and irrational fear of a given situation,organism, or object"

Given what we know about islam, the koran, the hadith, the sunnah, about mohammed how can we be called irrational ?

islamaphobia is just a silly pc word to stop a totally RATIONAL FEAR.

Those, who make such conferences want islamophobia to become exactly what heresy was in medieval times.

Muhammad, the perfect Muslim man, said that he had been made victorious through terror. And so he has been. And his followers march on in his footsteps.

So pardon us infidels for noticing. When you set out to make Islam victorious through intimidation and terror, you can't really object when a lot of infidels happen to notice the freight train of Islam bearing down on them. Sure many infidels feel fear. Isn't that the point of Muhammad's comment? Isn't he boasting?

I think it's entirely likely that most Muslims would not have a problem with Muhammad's comment. They might even take vicarious pride in Islams victories through intimidation and violence - through terror ultimately.

But really, it's not that big of a stretch to then imagine why the intended victims of that terror (infidels) might feel, well, a bit phobic - a bit afraid. Isn't that the intended outcome of terror?

So why disparage us by flinging this lame insult "Islamophobic" at us, simply for getting the messsage?

You're so right, Caroline.

"Sure many infidels feel fear"

Of course we do.

And even if we would feel fear WITHOUT ANY REASON ( and we don't do it without any reason!) -

has anyone of you ever experienced that a fearful person was considered to be evil because of his/her fear? Has anyone of you ever experienced that there were conferences to blame and to accuse fearful persons? Has anyone of you ever experienced, that fearful persons were ordered not to show their fear, not to talk about their fear in order to avoid that those causing the fear could be such "offended" and "in despair" by the fearful person, that they could be "forced" to do exactly what the fearful person fears - for example blowing himself up amidst a crowd of fearful persons?

How do we in the civilized world treat fearful persons? How do we normally treat persons suffering from a REAL phobia?

Do we blame them? Accuse them? No. We gently try to help them, to lose their fear.

And how do the Muslims and their dhimmi- cheerleaders treat persons they consider to fear Islam, to be islamophobe?

They treat them as criminals, as evil racists. The treat fearful persons just as normal people treat enemies. That's it.

That's the secret about islamophobia... even those who use that pc word know exactly that it isn't a phobia at all.

Hi Paolo,

Who will win the upcoming local elections ?

While you say Silvio will win the national elections again, this may be 5 years away and the Greens etc will let in millions of muslims in the meantime. As in the rest of Eurabia, the Left needs the votes of muslims and the muslims need the Left to handover the jizya.

If the 7 senators for life always vote to support this government, it may just last 5 years. The Mastella group has 3 senators. What other group do you think may defect ?

Also, if federalism is overturned, how will people in the North react ?

Cheers, Pasquale from Sydney

"How do we in the civilized world treat fearful persons? How do we normally treat persons suffering from a REAL phobia?
Do we blame them? Accuse them? No. We gently try to help them, to lose their fear.
And how do the Muslims and their dhimmi- cheerleaders treat persons they consider to fear Islam, to be islamophobe?
They treat them as criminals, as evil racists. They treat fearful persons just as normal people treat enemies."

Eisvogel - Great observation. I hadn't thought about that particular angle on this before but now that you put it that way - yes, there is real bona fide persecution of people who suffer from "Islamophobia."

Hey - maybe at this "Islamophobia" conference, someone will actually have the guts to stand up and explain the real reasons for this thing, i.e. have a real debate about whether fear of Islam is fundamentally rational, or irrational?

Shouldn't they discuss that question at a conference where at least 45 minutes will have to be honestly devoted to the issue of "Islamophobia".

Me - I definitely think Islamophobia is rational. But by the same token, I think its pretty darn rational to be petrified when one finds oneself unexpectedly standing in the path of an oncoming train too.

Sofia - I see the dynamic you describe. It's really a very simple one. Cry victim over and over again - and every little tiny insult or inconvenience that one happens upon in daily life will do - and then use that by now beaurocratically well-documented victim status - to weedle concessions, no matter how small. Because little concessions grow.

I think its called the "foot in the door technique".

Oh dear - rather like the report that was commissioned about anti-semitism a couple of years ago and then suppressed as being too controversial as most of the anti-semitic attacks throughout Europe emanated from Muslims who had been involved in many ugly incidents against Jews.

Ciao Pasquale.
I have no forecasts to make about this government. On the one hand, everyone is scarred from the last experience of in-fighting, when Bertinotti brought down Prodi and ultimately caused a Berlusconi victory. On the other, it really is difficult to see how people like Mastella can reconcile themselves to the infantile and contemptible politics of the hard left. According to IL CORRIERE DELLA SERA, it is because of the coming local elections that Prodi has demanded some silence from Bindi and the more loquacious hard-left ministers - there was a suggestion that local candidates such as Rosa Russo Iervolino in Naples had been horrified at the overt aggression from the Zapaterista wing. This, of course, does not mean that they will not have their way in the long run - just don't further scare the electorate as long as there are sensitive local election in sight.

Not all the Berlusconi reforms will be overturned. I suspect that federalism will be modified, but not removed. Certainly Mastella as Minister for Justice has said that only "a part" of the unloved justice reform will be suspended.

Meanwhile, an international incident reminded Italians why the Right did not want an ex-Communist at the Presidency (and there were excellent neutral candidates, Mario Monti for instance). Several survivors of the 1956 revolt against the Soviets have written to the Hungarian President protesting at the invitation of the Italian President at the festivities for the fiftieth anniversary; they remember all too well that, as a Communist leader, Umberto Napolitano supported the Soviet invasion. This, too, will be used by the Right in the coming local elections.

I find it hard to believe that this miserable abortion of a government will last the full five years. But they are all so terrified of letting in Berlusconi again, that they probably will tolerate a lot more from each other than they would in ordinary circumstances.