German Women Vowed to Mount Suicide Attacks in Iraq

They have “close contacts to the Islamist scene in Germany and at least one…has converted to Islam.” The phenomenon of white European converts to Islam, and like-minded fellow travelers, underscores that this is not a problem of race, but of ideology. Even if Europe’s immigration crisis were solved tomorrow, the jihad ideology would not be eradicated from the continent — particularly in view of the close ties between the Left and the jihad. From Spiegel Online, with thanks to all who sent this in:

SPIEGEL ONLINE has learned that German intelligence agencies have prevented three German women from travelling to Iraq in recent weeks. The women, who have close contacts to the Islamist scene in Germany and at least one whom has converted to Islam, came to the attention of intelligence agencies after one of them had announced on an Internet site that she intended to blow herself and her child up in Iraq.

After the Web posting were spotted, Germany’s domestic and foreign intelligence agencies mounted an intense search for the three women. One of them was located in Berlin, the other two are believed to come from southern Germany. The Berlin woman’s child was taken away from her and she has been put in a psychiatric clinic. The two other women were also prevented from leaving Germany. One of them is also believed to have a child….

There have been several such cases in the past and German security officials have long been worried that Islamic militants are increasingly recruiting young Muslims with German passports for suicide attacks….

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  1. says

    Re the 4th Reich-

    Hitler and Himmler both said Islam was very well suited to Nazism. Hitler called Christianity “the Jewish Christ creed with its pity ethics.” Himmler regretted that Islam had lost to Charles Martel in 732. Maybe we will see a Left-Nazi-Islam alliance that will bring about the 4th Reich?

    But maybe a rainbow is a sign that that will not happen. Even cynics have some hope in the Almighty-LOL.

  2. says

    Even if Europe’s immigration crisis were solved tomorrow, the jihad ideology would not be eradicated from the continent

    But less immigration would slow down the da’wa and conversion. Muslim immigration needs to stop.

  3. says

    The phenomenon of white European converts to Islam, and like-minded fellow travelers, underscores that this is not a problem of race, but of ideology

    3 people makes a phenomenon? Out of of population of 90 million?

  4. says

    A clear far-right/islamism alliance would be useful for us: proof that this isn’t about race but ideology, and at last the left would see where they ought to stand.

  5. says

    Ich bin ein suicide bomber?

    Empty lives need hysterical drama to fill their existential void.

    Islam appears ready to replace the nihilistic-anarchistic Bader Meinhof/Red Brigades brand of psychotic crap that always charms some anal-sadistic suicidal losers in Europe.

    It’s not enough just to jump off a bridge into the Rhine, -no, they need the attention of the world on their pathetic madness, and are secretly happy to take a few luckless souls with them.

    Prison for the criminally insane for life would be my prescription.

    (And lots of long scarves and little supervision. Can you say “Isadora Duncan”?)

  6. says

    Otto Schily, the previous red/green interior minister of Germany, is on record claiming that there are “30.000 gewaltbereite Islamisten in Germany”- (gewaltbereit-‘ready to engage in violent jihad’)

    Last year in Berlin I had a brief chance to talk with the police chief there who laughed at me when I mentioned it. He claimed that many (30.000) could be found in Berlin alone, and twice that many in Cologne, not to talk about other major cities.

    Some of the results of Mohammedans infiltration we can see above:

    “…she has been put in a psychiatric clinic…” A likely result of being whacked into submission by a ‘loving’ Allahballha-man.

    Amazing how the proud western educated, liberal-feminist, female psyche crumbles when left unprepared, without inbuilt resistance to dominant Mohammedan males, who offer them a complete, totalitarian package-deal to Allah’s nightmare…

  7. says

    Wish our German friends would treat islam the way they do the “Scientology” cult…

    “3 people makes a phenomenon? Out of of population of 90 million?”
    Rupert, ol’ boy, if you check out this site enough you will notice a pattern.When newly discovered jihad tactics emerge, you see their use multiplied. 3 female German murder-bombers have been discovered thus far, that means at least 30 more are on the loose.

  8. says

    PB-

    Re: Ich bin ein suicide bomber?

    Dar-al-Islam uber alles.

    It’s down the Rabbit hole with the Rabbit and Alice to meet the Mad Hatter again.

  9. says

    Frank-

    Whatever happened to Volk der Dichter und Denker [a People of Poets and Thinkers]?

    Allah mit uns?

    Waiting to see what soccer conclave brings.

  10. says

    I’m not certain if I’m the only woman thus far to post a comment, but the most disturbing thing (of many) about this article, in my opinion, is that one of the women planned to blow up her child as well. I thought Islam taught women that their noblest aspiration was to be wives and mothers (reproducers), but I suppose the desire to become a martyr trumps even that.

  11. says

    PB-

    I am in a Real Estate related business, but I was in the Real Estate business before that and I worked with a German-American (just before he and his wife retired to Florida in 1986). Mr Jaeger was a US GI in WW2 and he was captured at the Battle of the Buldge. His parents were born in Germany. He never learned German-LOL. His parents made him speak English only.

    He told me a very interesting story about the closing days of WW2. The Germans kept moving POWs from camp to camp and in March 1945 his group of POWs were moved.

    Mr. Jaeger told me he was in a truck with other GI POWs and the truck kept stopping every 15-20 minutes. ( I think he said there were two Gernman Army guys behind the truck on motercycles (with machine guns)-so it was a little risky to poke his head out to find out why the truck kept stopping at regular intervals.)

    However, he told me he was able to peer through a tiny window at the front of the cab-truck, and he saw the truck driver lift the cover of the engine-and with a little shovel, the driver was putting coal into the engine. He said, “Frank, it was at that moment I knew the war was nearly over. They were running out of gas.”

    Mr. Jaeger was a very fine man. I wonder if he’s still alive-he’s got to be 85 now. He looked very German-but was very American. If he had been born in Germany it might have been a different story…

    PB-it’s all a crap shoot.

  12. says

    PB-

    I am in a Real Estate related business, but I was in the Real Estate business before that and I worked with a German-American (just before he and his wife retired to Florida in 1986). Mr Jaeger was a US GI in WW2 and he was captured at the Battle of the Buldge. His parents were born in Germany. He never learned German-LOL. His parents made him speak English only.

    He told me a very interesting story about the closing days of WW2. The Germans kept moving POWs from camp to camp and in March 1945 his group of POWs were moved.

    Mr. Jaeger told me he was in a truck with other GI POWs and the truck kept stopping every 15-20 minutes. ( I think he said there were two Gernman Army guys behind the truck on motercycles (with machine guns)-so it was a little risky to poke his head out to find out why the truck kept stopping at regular intervals.)

    However, he told me he was able to peer through a tiny window at the front of the cab-truck, and he saw the truck driver lift the cover of the engine-and with a little shovel, the driver was putting coal into the engine. He said, “Frank, it was at that moment I knew the war was nearly over. They were running out of gas.”

    Mr. Jaeger was a very fine man. I wonder if he’s still alive-he’s got to be 85 now. He looked very German-but was very American. If he had been born in Germany it might have been a different story…

    PB-it’s all a crap shoot.

  13. says

    The damn thing tells me not to post (because of malicious comments-whatever) and to wait a moment and hit post. I wait a moment-hit post-and see two posts. I just followed instructions-LOL

  14. says

    So good. Now we see the demon’s allure,
    no race, no nation, no creed is immune
    from the seduction of its kiss of death,
    its denial of life and cruel, primitive rule.

    For it is confusing right now,
    the hanged man is hanging upside down,
    good is bad, bad is all right, black is white,
    hatred abounds and there are no heroes in sight.

    The sounds these sad women hear
    in their nightmares, is the sound
    of the grasping of greed,
    of arrogance covering ignorance,
    of anger burning into hot coals of hate,
    fueled by a madman’s book, his deeds,
    with perpetual war as their fate.

    Who is secure from suffering?
    but, for sure, mohammedanism is no cure
    and is actually the disease that ails them,
    a disease caught while looking for structure,
    spiritual seekers led astray on a search for G_D.

  15. says

    In my experience, Western women who marry Muslims are either fools or derive a twisted pleasure from the abuse and submission required of the creed. The fools are married to the shadow-Muslims, who either deny the Koran and the hadith or reassure their wives that “they would never do anything like that.” The twisted-pleasure variety are found everywhere, but previously have not had the opportunity to do anything but hurt themselves.

    I once had a rather involved email exchange with a druidess/pagan married to an Iranian Muslim. They lived in Canada. She would wax rhapsodic about her Iranian “relatives” and fume about the evil Zionists who oppress Islam, because “all religions are the same.” Nothing I said — no quotations from the Koran or the bloodthirsty imams, no pointers to MEMRI, no exegesis, no proofs from the world around her — could shake her insistence that Islam was harmless and persecuted, and that the Jews were the source of all evil.

  16. says

    Profitsbeard – ‘Waiting to see what soccer conclave brings.’

    This may interest you. It seems like there is trouble coming to Germany soon.

    Terror and hate haunting Germany

    http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,19295054-5001111,00.html

    A MONTH ago Ermyas Mulugeta, a 37-year-old Ethiopian engineer in Potsdam, Germany, was walking home late when he bumped into two heavy-set neo-Nazis. He woke from his coma last week.

    As the thugs circled, Mulugeta called his wife for help. Her answering machine recorded him saying: “Why are you calling me a pig? Why are you calling me a nigger?”

    The rest makes terrible listening…. The World Cup is 10 days away and German authorities are still trying to figure how to manage two areas of concern; one local, one international.

    Recently Germany’s Africa Council published a list of no-go areas. It included some of the country’s most tranquil towns. Towns such as Potsdam, where Ermyas Mulutega now recovers in a wheelchair.

    A high-profile former government spokesman, Uwe-Karsten Haye, backed the concerns.

    “There are small and mid-sized towns in the state of Brandenburg and other places where I would not advise anyone with a different skin colour to go,” he said. “They would probably not get out alive.”

    Haye was later forced by local politicians to retract his comments.’

  17. says

    On further reflection

    Twisted and broken,
    new life meaning nothing,
    they submit to their moon god
    and intend to kill for his will.
    The poetess says,
    “These women are damned
    for their unnatural deeds
    and will suffer for ages to come.”

  18. says

    Time, I think, that all Christians and all civilised peoples pronounced the anathema maranatha of Gregory, who followed 1 Corinthians 16:22 in this, and followed it with the Great Curse – if we dare (and assuming that there are enough of us left to make it work since it is supposed to require twelve times twelve thousand faithful, although in the sayings of the Jewish Fathers it is reckoned that one perfectly faithful man will do and yet others say that the mere invocation of the word of the name of one perfectly faithful is enough – guess who!).

    Dominic.

  19. says

    Frank,

    “Maybe we will see a Left-Nazi-Islam alliance that will bring about the 4th Reich?”

    You might be interested to read this article by Alexandre Del Valle, in which he provides ample evidence of what he calls a “Red-Brown-Green Axis” emerging:

    http://www.alexandredelvalle.com/publications.php?id_art=131

    Unfortunately, the article was written in early 2004 and reflects probably information only up to 2003, and has not been updated: It’s likely that the last 2+ years has generated more data of this “Axis” (not to mention the likelihood that Del Valle’s article was itself incomplete).

    PS:

    Red = Communist/Socialist/far Left,
    Brown = Paleo-Nazi/Neo-Nazi/Fascist/far Right,
    Green = Islamist

  20. says

    Frank,
    So it is true. I have some old books that mention that the Germans built wood gasifiers and derived power and even drove their vehicles on them. The fuel for these gasifiers was wood, or coke. I am trying to make one over here. I am trying to derive electricity from it.

  21. says

    I don’t think they’re stupid, Carolyn2,
    but blindingly ignorant of what they’ve done,
    submitting to a primitive moon god
    who must have blood sacrifice to thrive.

  22. says

    It is sad that in all cultures, there are women that have such a self image that they have to be degraded to feel that they are wanted.

    Pity.

  23. says

    Worth underlining that only one of the women seems to have been a convert to Islam. Neither would I rush to assume that the other lunatics were driven by anti-semitism.

    The potential cooperation between Jihadists and leftist revolutionaries in Europe is real, and probably already operative on some level.

    The COMMUNIST connection cannot be over-stated. Look to what lengths the communists (whatever they want to call themselves) in the U.S. are willing to go to undermine the war effort, to destroy troop morale, to manipulate public opinion, and basically do what they can to harm the United States in particular and Western Civilization in general. Duh.

    Terrorism in Europe by leftist radicals has a long history, from the time of the French Revolution at least, and in the 20th century from the IRA, to the succesful Commie and Nazi serizures of power, down to the Bader Meinhof gang and the Brigata Rossa in the 1970’s–all folks that would gladly join forces with Islamic radicals (or with the devil, if they could) driven as they are by their common hatred of Western values and institutions.

    All the best,
    D. Ox
    http://thomistic.blogspot.com

  24. says

    I remember a chemical reaction. It was in the 50’s and there was a show called Mr. Wizard. Kids coming home from school would discover many things as they visited in his garage (how times have changed). On one visit Mr. Wizard placed a clear drop in a large vat of bluish liquid. In an instant the vat of liquid changes to become clear. Yep. Let’s all turn into one family, God’s family.

    Exchange marriage might do the deed. Muslim marrying a Jew and so forth. EXCEPT the motivation is go beyond hate and the man-made barriers of religion to install God’s lineage. Children of enemies marrying in order fill the casem with God’s children. It can be done. Hey. and not immigration problems . . . in the long run.

  25. says

    “…came to the attention of (German) intelligence agencies after one of them had announced on an Internet site that she intended to blow herself and her child up in Iraq.”

    And Americans are worried about the NSA collecting phone numbers? Bravo to the Germans for monitoring the web for Jihad. Let’s just hope the ACLU doesn’t have a German branch office.

  26. says

    This is a perfect example of the end result of the process of the spiritual disease that has infected every single western nation. The outcome – a total nihilism of self-hate – is exemplified by this German woman would would take her own child to be sacrificed as a ‘suicide bomber’ deployed against soldiers from a fellow western nation. The woman is almost a stereotype writ large of the self-hating western female – characterized by an utter rejection of everythiing that she came from to embrace nihilism and death. Fr. Seraphim Rose described this process in detail four decades ago: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/nihilism.html

    At the end of the day, this is why one who desires to engage Islam can never ally with the left against them. Leftists, whether they are communists, nazis (national socialists), or another permutation (like the Corporatist Neo-Jacobins who presently rule the west) will inevitably betray us. The entire impetus of leftism, from the days of Robespierre to the present, has been to destroy the civilization that was established from ancient Greece through the Renaissance and Reformation periods in order to facilitate its replacement with one utopian scheme or another. The majority of the left, whether they’re a Nazi like David Duke or raving moonbats like Lynne Stewart and Ramsey Clark, have already allied themselves with the forces of jihad. It is the left, with its utopian dreams of multiculturalism (in consort with the amoral materialist greed of corporatists), who opened the borders of Europe to the ever-expanding hordes from Dar-al-Islam, living off the generous benefits of the EU welfare-state as they prepare for the great day of bloodletting.

    This is what lies at the heart of the diagreement between traditionalists like Auster (and myself) and Mr. Spencer over the abominable Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Putting aside for a moment the fact the she is a liar about her past, I argue that she is in fact an enemy of this civilization every bit as much as Osama Bin Laden is. Mr. Spencer’s stated position (responding to Auster) is:

    “I don’t believe Hirsi Ali is an “enemy of our civilization.” She holds to some positions with which I disagree, but the key difference between her and the Islamic jihadists is that I am confident Hirsi Ali will never try to murder me.”

    Anyone who advocates advocates the use of raw state power to outlaw the political expression of members of the traditional majority populace of a western nation whose “crime” is to continue to practice the traditional faith that forms a crucial part of the very foundations of our civilization is a leftist totalitarian, not merely one who holds positions that one ‘disagrees with.’ Ali may not kill you, Mr. Spencer, but I’ve little doubt she’d approve the slaughter of believing members of Dutch Reformed Church for the unforgiveable sins of “racism”, “xenophobia”, and “homophobia.” She might not have the nerve to pull the trigger herself, but there are no doubt plenty of Berias, Dzerzhinskys and Kaganoviches waiting in the wings to carry out the fondest desires of Ali and her fellow leftists to eradicate the last vestiges of the hated white male Christian patriarchy. The fact that Ali makes an unprincipled exception to her overall leftist worldview in the case of Islam does not change my view of her one iota. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. Your error is that in your efforts to fight the evil of Islam, you embrace as allies those whose evil is at least as great – perhaps greater.

    Readers should never forget that the left has slaughtered even more people than Islam itself, despite Islam’s 1200-year lead. Communists, Nazis, and other leftist utopians have filled mass graves with approx. 150 million victims over the past two centuries. Add in abortion – heavily promoted wherever leftists are found – and the body count easily rises to half a billion. Our civilization faces two mortal enemies, one without and one within. Cicero understood why the one within was the worse of the two more than two millenia ago:

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But, it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But, the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government, itself.”

  27. says

    http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_angloamerican_1945.php
    What was the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry?

    The Arabs, on the other hand, called for the establishment of an independent Arab state, and end to Jewish immigration, and a cessation of all land sales to Jews, a position essentially unchanged for decades. But testimony did not support this Arab view. On the question of an Arab Palestine, the eminent Arab-American historian Philip Hitti made it clear to the commission that even Middle Eastern Arabs never thought of a separate Arab country in Palestine:
    • There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.
    During the committee’s investigations, they visited camps where Displaced Persons were being held. They questioned the survivors, asking “Where would you immigrate other than Palestine?”. The most common answer was “crematoria.” When asked why he wanted to go to Palestine, a 16-year old orphan who had survived Bergen-Belsen replied:
    • Why? Everybody has a home. The British. The Americans. The French. The Russians. Only we Jews have no home. Don’t ask us. Ask the world.

    HISTORY

    http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_riots_1936-39.php
    What happened during the Arab Revolt of 1936-39?

    What was the result? The British military suppressed the Arab terrorists, but the British government in effect rewarded them with the publication of the 1939 White Paper, a pro-Arab policy statement that effectively ended the British committment to the purpose of the Palestine Mandate

    HISTORY

    http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_ww1_british_mandate.php
    What was the British Mandate?
    On December 9, 1917, as World War I neared its end, Jerusalem surrendered to the British forces. Two days later General Allenby entered the Jaffa Gate on foot, at the head of a victory procession. This act marked the end of four centuries of Ottoman-Turk rule and the beginning of thirty years of British rule.
    The mandate system was established by Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations as formulated at the Paris Peace Conference (January-June 1919). Under this article it was stated that the territories inhabited by peoples unable to stand by themselves would be entrusted to advanced nations until such time as the local population could handle their own affairs. This concept was incorporated into the Treaty of Versailles on June 28, 1919.
    Representatives of Great Britain, France, Italy, Japan, Greece, and Belgium met at San Remo, Italy, in April 1920, to discuss methods of executing the Treaty of Versailles. Members of the supreme council of the Allies took leading parts. The basic features of a peace treaty with Turkey (the Treaty of Sèvres) were adopted, and mandates in the Middle East were allotted.
    In the case of Palestine, the administrative control, in the form of a Mandate, was given to the British. By naming this territory the “British Mandate for Palestine” the area that is today Israel and Jordan became the first and only geographic division with the name Palestine since before the Ottoman Empire controlled the area (beginning in 1517). In July 1920 the Mandate civil administration took over from the military. For the first time since Crusader days Jerusalem was again a capital city.

    BUT WE KNOW THAT DIDN’T WORK DID IT??

    AND NOW WE KNOW ABOUT THE FRENCH DESTORING THE TEMPLARS WHICH SETUP THE INVASION OF EUROPE BY THE MULSUMS WHICH LED TO WW1 AND MANY OTHER WARS BEFORE WW1??

    http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php
    Where did the name Palestine come from?

    The Christian Crusaders employed the word Palestine to refer to the general region of the “three Palestines.” After the fall of the crusader kingdom, Palestine was no longer an official designation. The name, however, continued to be used informally for the lands on both sides of the Jordan River. The Ottoman Turks, who were non-Arabs but religious Muslims, ruled the area for 400 years (1517-1917). Under Ottoman rule, the Palestine region was attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. The name Palestine was revived after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I and applied to the territory in this region that was placed under the British Mandate for Palestine.
    The name “Falastin” that Arabs today use for “Palestine” is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Roman “Palaestina”. Quoting Golda Meir:
    • The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation’s supposed ancient name, though they couldn’t even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity. [In an article by Sarah Honig, Jerusalem Post, November 25, 1995]

    OH HISTORY

    http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_during_ww2.php
    What happened in Palestine during World War II?

    READ THE WHOLE THING
    During World War II, the Zionist aliyah effort focused on rescuing Jews from Nazi-occupied Europe. Some immigrants entered the country on visas issued under the “White Paper” quota; the majority came illegally. This immigration, called Aliyah Bet, arrived by land and by sea, from Europe and the Middle East, in contravention of British orders.
    The loss of contact with European countries, the hazards of maritime travel under wartime conditions, and the difficulty in obtaining vessels for transport of illegal immigrants placed severe constraints on Aliyah Bet. Several boatloads of immigrants who managed to reach Palestine were sent back by British authorities upholding the quota system. Many lost their lives at sea or in the Nazi inferno in Europe. Overland, 1,350 Syrian Jews were escorted to Palestine in an intricate and audacious operation. In 1940, 267 refugees were killed accidentally by the Haganah during an attempt to prevent the British from deporting them on the ‘SS Patria’ in Haifa harbor.
    The British disgraced themselves further in February 1942 in the case of the Romanian ship ‘Struma’ which anchored in Turkey awaiting permission to land 747 Romanian Jews in Palestine. The British not only refused to let the refugees continue to Palestine, they encouraged Turkish authorities to tow the ship into the Black Sea and cast it adrift, an inhuman act given that the passangers had been on board for 74 days, overcrowded with inadequate supplies. The ship was then sunk by a Russian submarine with the loss of 796 people. This tragic incident was the final blow to support of Britain among the Jews of Palestine

    READ THE WHOLE THING?

    Despite British-Jewish tensions, thousands of Jewish volunteers served in the British army in scattered units, and on September 14, 1944, the Jewish Brigade was established. The Jewish Brigade of approximately 5,000 soldiers was the only military unit to serve in World War II in the British Army ” and, in fact ” in all the Allied forces ” as an independent, national Jewish military formation.
    The Arabs took the side of the Axis, either overtly like Iraq or indirectly by withholding support for the Allies. Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini issued a fatwa- “summons to a holy war against Britain” in May 1941. The Mufti’s widely heralded proclamation against Britain was declared in Iraq, where he was instrumental in “the pro-Nazi” Iraqi revolt of 1941.
    In the 1930s, the fascist regimes that arose in Italy and Germany sought greater stakes in the Middle East, and began courting Arab leaders to revolt against their British and French custodians. Among their many willing accomplices was Jerusalem Mufti Haj Amin el-Husseini, who fled Palestine after agitating against the British during the Arab Revolt of 1936-39. He found refuge in Iraq – another British mandate – where he again topped the British most wanted list after helping pull the strings behind the Iraqi coup of 1941. The revolt in Baghdad was orchestrated by Hitler as part of a strategy to squeeze the region between the pincers of Rommel’s troops in North Africa, German forces in the Caucuses and pro-Nazi forces in Iraq. However, in June 1941 British troops put down the rebellion and the Mufti escaped via Tehran to Italy and eventually to Berlin.

    READ THE WHOLE THING AND FUNNY HOW THINGS REPEAT THEMSELFS??

    WHEN WILL THE WORLD’S MEN PULL UP THEIR PANTS AND FIGHT THEIR REAL ENEMIES AND STOP TRYING TO APPESS THOSE WHO CAN NOT BE APPESSED??

    YOU CAN NOT APPESS A RABBIT DOG IT MUST BE PUT DOWN BEFORE IT INFECTS YOU AND YOURS…

    Once in Berlin, the Mufti received an enthusiastic reception by the “Islamische Zentralinstitut” and the whole Islamic community of Germany, which welcomed him as the “Führer of the Arabic world.” In an introductory speech, he called the Jews the “most fierce enemies of the Muslims” and an “ever corruptive element” in the world.

    WAIT A MIN MULSUMS IN GERMANY??

    Husseini soon became an honored guest of the Nazi leadership and met on several occasions with Hitler. He personally lobbied the Führer against the plan to let Jews leave Hungary, fearing they would immigrate to Palestine. He also strongly intervened when Adolf Eichman tried to cut a deal with the British government to exchange German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who also could have fled to Palestine. The Mufti’s protests with the SS were successful, as the children were sent to death camps in Poland instead. One German officer noted in his journals that the Mufti would liked to have seen the Jews “preferably all killed.” On a visit to Auschwitz, he reportedly admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently. Throughout the war, he appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic message to the Arab masses back home.
    During the Second World War in Yugoslavia, many Muslim clerics in Bosnia and Kosovo were willing accomplices in the genocide of the nation’s Serbian, Jewish and Roma population. From 1941 until 1945, the Nazi-installed regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia carried out some of the most horrific crimes of the Holocaust, killing over 800,000 Yugoslav citizens – 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Roma. In these crimes, they were helped by Muslim fundamentalists in Bosnia and Kosovo who were openly supported by the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini. Husseini openly encouraged Muslims to join Nazi units that would be later implicated in genocide and crimes against humanity – the infamous Hanjar (or Handschar) 13th Waffen SS division.

    READ THE WHOLE THING!!!

    Husseini represents the prevalent pro-Nazi posture among the Arab/Muslim world before, during and even after the Holocaust. The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Adolf Hitler first seized power in Germany in 1933. News of the Nazi takeover was welcomed by the Arab masses with great enthusiasm, as the first congratulatory telegrams Hitler received upon being appointed Chancellor came from the German Consul in Jerusalem, followed by those from several Arab capitals. Soon afterwards, parties that imitated the National Socialists were founded in many Arab lands, like the “Hisb-el-qaumi-el-suri” (PPS) or Social Nationalist Party in Syria. Its leader, Anton Sa’ada, styled himself the Führer of the Syrian nation, and Hitler became known as “Abu Ali” (In Egypt his name was “Muhammed Haidar”). The banner of the PPS displayed the swastika on a black-white background. Later, a Lebanese branch of the PPS – which still receives its orders from Damascus – was involved in the assassination of Lebanese President Pierre Gemayel.

    FUNNY HUH?

    After the war, a member of Young Egypt named Gamal Abdul Nasser was among the officers who led the July 1952 revolution in Egypt. Their first act – following in Hitler’s footsteps – was to outlaw all other parties. Nasser’s Egypt became a safe haven for Nazi war criminals, among them the SS General in charge of the murder of Ukrainian Jewry; he became Nasser’s bodyguard and close comrade. Alois Brunner, another senior Nazi war criminal, found shelter in Damascus, where he served for many years as senior adviser to the Syrian general staff and still resides today.
    Sami al-Joundi, one of the founders of the ruling Syrian Ba’ath Party, recalls: “We were racists. We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books… We were the first who thought of a translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism.”

    OH BUT A WEB THEY HAVE WOVEN??

    http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/mainreason.html
    The Main Reason for the Present Middle East Conflict: ISLAM and not “The Territories”
    by Jan Willem van der Hoeven, Director
    International Christian Zionist Center
    Because of the humanistic and mainly secular mindset of the West, also of the major part of Israel’s population, the following will be difficult to accept and digest, and that is: The chief reason for the Middle East conflict is not so much a secular political one, but a religious Islamic one!
    Because the West nor Israel, generally speaking, does not want to be seen as being against another man’s religious beliefs there is a widespread reluctance to face up to this problem. It is not done in our so-called tolerant society to criticize the tenants of a whole religion which comprises one billion adherents, and yet it is impossible to really solve the present Middle East conflict without facing up to this overall problem.
    This is what this essay is purportedly trying to do. It will be in some ways difficult, but it is highly necessary. Because Islam believes that it is the final revelation of Allah, superseding all previous ones, it has a high built-in characteristic of intolerance.

    MUST READ THE WHOLE THING FOR THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE

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  28. says

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But, it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But, the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government, itself.”

    Posted by: Carolus at May 31, 2006 01:28 AM

    Gold Star for you today!!

    And you are right because this enemy takes shelter in the Left just look at the ACLU and all the other groups in Europe and in Russia and even in china??
    Look at Poor Russia they couldn’t even put to death the iller of their children in that school in Bleslain because of the pact they made with the left in Europe and what has that pac gotten them??

    Like the pac that the USA has made with Europe what has that gotten the USA just a bunch of sissy’s calling us names And look at the packs that have been made to and with Israel what has that gotten them in the end the left will screw you but this is not about sex but about life and death!!

    Yes this war for us all is on many fronts but you have to know wich fields to fight and when to fight them to win!!

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    God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sigh, and Courage to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen

  29. says

    Cathrine:YOU CAN NOT APPESS A RABBIT DOG IT MUST BE PUT DOWN BEFORE IT INFECTS YOU AND YOURS…

    Now Cathrine, I know you are a thinker, not a speller, and I can appriciate a short skirt and wind blown hair, but I need to know one thing…What is a RABBIT DOG? Ten short, and chubby, swami’s want to know.

    The woman who would sacrifice her child for Allah illustrates the mind bending influence of Islam. Only people with bent minds could concieve of such a thing, and a severe warp allows them to carry it out…Allah destroys conscience. Only those who are mentally warped, confused and without conscience, could throw their child into the death pit. Ugly…the one thing Allah seems to be good at is UGLY…he wrote the book…

  30. says

    Zonie Kafir,
    Lord Shiva is portrayed as a Yogi. A meditator. He who knows all. A picture of Lord Shiva is here.

    http://www.shaivam.org/gallery/image/shiva/shiva_mandala.jpg

    As you can see, the cresent moon is his ornament. It is beleived that mad mo, when he destroyed the pagan gods in that ancient temple, only this decoration of the statue remained. Remember, this is a theory, and unless we go into that chamber of the black rock, we shall not know the truth. Please also observe the pyramids in the background. We have a lot to study.

  31. says

    Posted by: duh_swami at May 31, 2006 02:40 AM

    Get the movie old yellar Have you ever heard of a little virus called rabbies??

    http://www.pcnr.com/news/2006/0510/Front_Page/009.html
    Health Department Warns of Rabbies Dangers

    Rabies continues to be a serious public health problem in New York State. Rabies is a deadly virus that attacks the nervous system, carried in the saliva and nervous tissue of an infected animal.

    Rabies is most often seen in wildlife such as raccoons, bats, skunks, and foxes. Cats, dogs and ferrets can also get rabies if they are not vaccinated. You can get rabies if a rabid animal bites you or its saliva or nervous tissue gets into your eyes, nose or mouth.

    http://www.ebvet.com/29news.htm
    Dianne Suave/Animal Care & Control: “Rabies is probably one of the most serious issues that we have right now. This is a 100% fatal virus.”

    http://www.taxidermy.net/forums/LifesizeArticles/02/c/024EFB6EF4.html

    http://www.dog-names.org.uk/dog-health-rabies.htm

    Dog Health Issues – Description of Rabies
    Rabies is an acute and deadly viral infection of the central nervous system. This fatal, viral disease affects the brain and nerves. The Rabies virus belongs to the Rhabdoviridae family. The rabies virus usually grows in the muscle tissue and can go undetected for several days or even months.

    BETTER READ THE WHOLE THING??

    BUT I REALLY THINK PHASE 2 IS THE IMPORTANT PART?

    Furious Phase – Mad Dog Syndrome
    This phase lasts 2 to 4 days and the following symptoms may be displayed although not all dogs go through this phase:

    Constant growling and barking

    Aggression – vicious attacks on people and objects

    Seizures

    Disorientated

    AND OF COURSE THE GREAT LOVE STORY OF ALL TIMES OLD YELLER

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050798/

    http://books.google.com/books?id=at_a1W2T-cMC&dq=old+yeller&oi=print&pg=PA1&ots=fjJ0nzTBF6&sig=o-avEeGZd1tiEI6zqyDPLeJG-QU&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fsourceid%3Dnavclient%26ie%3DUTF-8%26rls%3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-12,RNWE:en%26q%3Dold%2Byeller&sa=X&oi=print&ct=result&cd=1

    IF YOU CAN’T GET THE MOVIE AND A BOX OF TUSSIE THEN THE BOOK WILL HAVE TO DO

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  32. says

    Carolus,

    I contend that this statement of yours is false:

    “Ali may not kill you, Mr. Spencer, but I’ve little doubt she’d approve the slaughter of believing members of Dutch Reformed Church for the unforgiveable sins of “racism”, “xenophobia”, and “homophobia.””

    Of course, you could prove me wrong by putting up quotes from Hirsi Ali, that support your accusation. Or maybe you just don’t care at all what you say, and just like to go around slandering people who don’t share your political views?

    It might also be useful to post links or references to back up your statements about the “left” being responsible for more slaughter (150 million people slaughtered) than Islam (how many slaughtered in total?). I don’t doubt that Mao, Stalin, and Hitler are responsible for millions of deaths, perhaps even 150 million in total, but I’d like to know how you arrive at the idea that these 150 million deaths were due to “leftism.” (Was Hitler killing 6-8 million Jews because of “leftism”?) I also suspect that Islam is responsible for more deaths than 150 million, but I’d also like to see a link or reference for that.

  33. says

    Assalamau Laikum all,

    It certainly is a pity that this woman has chosen to convert simply to bomb….Islam has so much more to offer.

    I would ask her to live the life of a muslima…there is so much to learn…

    Being a white germainic woman…she is in a unique position to:

    1) bring other woman friends into the Islamic fold
    2) Entice other german gentlemens to Islam.
    3) Bear childrens for 20 years and bring them all into Islam & to get them married early to spread the good news about Islam to others. She could get them to marry within her clan…so much easier & a better an emotional experience than marrying outside.

    Why would she want to jepordise that opportunity? It is possible that one of her clan could become the 1st blonde Imam…Imam blondie. I mean THAT would be a real worthwhile legacy to leave behind..

    Someone please tell her a bom-bom is a sweet…
    not something to use on other innocents.

  34. says

    Profitsbeard says “Maybe the ‘Black Rock’ in Mecca is a piece of coal?”

    The blackrock used to be a whiterock…which has steadily turned black in colour as it has absorbed the sins of humankind….a direct result of the kafur allowing slutty wild womens bahaviour on earth.

    The sooner these womens are brought back into the “fold”…the sooner the rock can becomed cleansed again.

    The more of you convert the quicker we can have total peace on Allah’s earth….do it!

  35. says

    Naseem,

    Are you saying the woman’s options are bomb vs breed?

    BTW, do Ahmadis support world-domination too, or do they ignore those pieces of the Koran that, when put together, add up to Islamic supremacism?

  36. says

    “Frank-

    Maybe the ‘Black Rock’ in Mecca is a piece of coal?

    I hope.
    Posted by: profitsbeard

    Hi Arjun & Profitsbeard,

    Actually, hindu travellers to other countries would normally bring along these as gifts to their relatives or daughters that settled there.

    We know that it has spread to persia & I cant confirm if it has been to Mecca but the possibility is there.

    It is the symbol of Limgam & Yoni, the continuation of life. The characteristics are simple.

    1. Black stone, not the normal stones but something rare. Some say that the stone will not resonante/echo with some frequencies.

    2. placed upright on a Yoni, a platform that has a water flow exit.

    3. Some of the rituals are to wash it from top-bottom.

    please image google for lingam+yoni for some pics.

    There are some similarities as well:

    1. Shivas Moon Symbol – Allah, pegan name for god.

    2. Shiva’s Weapon W shape – close to the Arabic word for Allah.

    3. Snakes are sacred animals – In Islam, snakes were in a few stories, including protecting the kaba.

    4. Meditation. Open (quiet) or in caves.

    5. Both Hinduism & Islam used the bead counter (in his left hand), this is used to count the number of times a mantra was said.

    I hope this helps.

  37. says

    Posted by: Archimedes at May 31, 2006 04:06 AM

    You might want to reread the post that you condem so easy and think about what and how many I believe the said post did mention abortion now in the USA alone in the past 30 years there have been 45 million

    Now call it what you will but with all the new tec we know those were humans?

    Now you will have to gather the # from other countries but I would bet those #s are pretty close

    and the silly woman nasseem just doesn’t get it if women in the west would abort their babys why would they want to be pregant for 20 years and be beaten by a mulsum man with no scurtiy of being married when a man can just say I don’t want to be married any more and throe them out??

    NOW THAT JUST DON’T MAKE ANY SENCE?

    Got a plan Bats rabbit bats in caves NOW thats what I’n talken about!!

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    PS

    http://humor.beecy.net/womansong/

  38. says

    Naseem,

    Are you saying the woman’s options are bomb vs breed?

    I’ve come to the conclusion that Naseem is cracking jokes a lot of the time. Taken that way, some of them are quite funny in rather grim way.

    For instance, I sceptical that she really believes that the meteorite at Kabaa was white and has gone black, because of the “sins” of “wild slutty womens” (and I’m sure she knows the plural of “woman” is “women”). Good Lord, every stone on Earth would be black with the sins of violent power-crazed men across the ages, if stones did that; and who better than a woman and a member of religious minority (albeit a minority that has one foot in the camp of its own oppressors) in a violent failed state to know that?

  39. says

    Meditation. Open (quiet) or in caves.

    What goes on in these caves. Does it get boisterous in there? Is the Archangel Gabriel a part animal or what. And where does Malvo fit in the scheme of things?

  40. says

    What goes on in these caves. Does it get boisterous in there? Is the Archangel Gabriel a part animal or what. And where does Malvo fit in the scheme of things?

    Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 31, 2006 04:53 AM

    ROTFL ROTFL!!!

    Gold Star for you today!!

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  41. says

    Catherine,

    Carolus also said this:

    “the abominable Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Putting aside for a moment the fact the she is a liar about her past, I argue that she is in fact an enemy of this civilization every bit as much as Osama Bin Laden is.”

    This is ridiculous. As I understand it, Hirsi Ali feared being killed, so she lied, and later informed the government and stated for the public record that she had lied (i.e., she owned up to it). In any case, if Carolus cannot provide quotes from Hirsi Ali supporting this claim:

    “Ali may not kill you, Mr. Spencer, but I’ve little doubt she’d approve the slaughter of believing members of Dutch Reformed Church for the unforgiveable sins of “racism”, “xenophobia”, and “homophobia.””

    …then this may show us another liar. I gave Carolus a chance to prove her claim. Let’s see it.

    This site is jihadwatch. It is not a site about the abortion issue. Here is what Carolus said:

    “Communists, Nazis, and other leftist utopians have filled mass graves with approx. 150 million victims over the past two centuries. Add in abortion – heavily promoted wherever leftists are found – and the body count easily rises to half a billion. Our civilization faces two mortal enemies, one without and one within.

    I’m not interested in what Carolus is adding on to the 150 million by way of abortion, not because that’s not important but rather because it has nothing to do with this site. I was referring to the 150 million, because I want to compare that to the number estimated to be killed due to Islam. I don’t come here to debate abortion.

  42. says

    naseem, only the muslims are allowed to touch that rock,( and they are welcome to it) so that would mean it will stay black, for you all are continuing to sin like no other humans on earth. Get a grip, take off your blinders, and quit trying be the most holy. The so called virgins must be sluts for sure, having been used and reused by your murdering men, all sly, stinking snakes.

  43. says

    “The more of you convert the quicker we can have total peace on Allah’s earth….do it!”–Naseem

    Yojimbo, I think you are right. Naseem must be joking, or half-joking, because even if everyone converted to Islam, that would not be peace but rather would only be the beginning of the blood bath. Step one: The Sunni and Shia would probably slaughter the Ahmadis (Naseem is an Ahmadhi) before slaughtering each other. Am I wrong, Naseem?

  44. says

    From the muslim poster:

    “The blackrock used to be a whiterock…which has steadily turned black in colour as it has absorbed the sins of humankind….a direct result of the kafur allowing slutty wild womens bahaviour on earth.

    The sooner these womens are brought back into the “fold”…the sooner the rock can becomed cleansed again.”

    The only thing considered a sin in Islam is:

    Not Being a Muslim

    That’s what it boils down to folks.

  45. says

    tjwork,
    You are referring to rosaries. They are used by most religions. Hindus always use a rosary using the right hand, the hand of Karma (deeds), the left hand is the hand of Bhagya (fate). It is Hindu belief that even if born unlucky, good deeds shall ensure a good life. The Hindu rosaries are largely made of Rudraksha. Checkout.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudraksha

  46. says

    Tjwork,
    Indeed, snakes are the necklaces of Lord Shiva. There are many who wonder where mad mo got all his apparatus together. But the thing is, it is in no way Hindu. He got some stuff from the Holy Bible, and it would not surprise me if he stole the cresent moon from an ancient statue of Lord Shiva. We cannot establish from which religion he got idea of rosaries. All we can say for sure is, when he saw his followers deserting, he devised a system of banging heads 5 times upon the call of allahu akbar. This ensured that his followers effectively stopped thinking and became the zombies of islam. mad mo had a Bible, a cresent from a broken statue, and sword. He put all this in his demonic mind, and from the cauldron emerged the hellfire called islam.

  47. says

    Archimides,
    There is no single site that lists all the victims of mad mo. Foehammer’s site has a map of countries overrun by islam violently. voi.org page give a broad overview of an invasion of 1200 years on India, killing between 200 – 600 million Hindus. Scroll down the main page of JW to read about the fall of Constantinople. I think it is titled “Black Tuesday on a Monday”. The world has suffered thousands of such falls. We can only estimate the number of victims.

  48. says

    arjun,

    Thanks again. I suspected it wasn’t going to be that easy. I’ve looked into this issue before, and I found that indeed no one author or group has put together all the numbers. I also discovered that we have the Negationism in India book online in the library at Islam-watch–right under my nose. Anyway, time for me to start a file on this topic.

    http://www.islam-watch.org/

  49. says

    Back to OT:

    If she did make it to Iraq – against all odds- to become a suicide bomber,- she would have been a ‘hero’ and a ‘martyr’ for the ummah…

    with or without child.

    Scenario uno: The bleeding hearts and the suckers from the msm would have thrown tantrums over…. ‘what made her do it, how could such a sweet and innocent person become such a monster, lets see what her brothers & sisters, her uncle & the milkman have to say about her…’

    etc.etc. etc….

    …. and the truth would have been drowned in garbage…

    scenario due:

    If she made it to Iraq, then and there captured by the mudjahiddin, she would have been the perfect victim with child, crying her lifeblood out, doing the ‘please release me let me go’ routine for the suckers from the msm, who would have brought it ‘to the world’ via CNN, CBS, FOX or
    Al Jizzia and bingo, there’s another 10 million dollars ‘for the resistance, for the rebels, the insurgents,…’ resulting in ransom like pearls to the swine, just like way back when, when Mohammed was taking captives for ransom/ only with a twist…

    I spit on PC, I spit on every conspiracy-theory- peddling BS-artist, I spit on every fool that didn’t get the message to this day that we are at war with Islam and that Islam must be eradicated.
    Full stop!

  50. says

    From a posting above:

    “…Whatever happened to Volk der Dichter und Denker…” [a People of Poets and Thinkers]?

    Nothing happened. Nothing. Stuck on stupid and conspiracy theories. Hooked on welfare BS and socialist allures.

    “Dichter & Denker ” turned into wankers and stinkers….

  51. says

    Posted by: Archimedes at May 31, 2006 05:08 AM

    Me neither just pointing out what she was talking about the lefties??

    Me I don’t care what the finnal # is of what mulsums killed over the centurys but that they have declared WAR on US here and now for me it is simple KICK ASS!! settle things when the dust clears just like WW2 they did their Job and KICKED ASS and when the dust settled they almost made nice our time for make-ing nice aint now??

    http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/Articles/Iran%20missile%20transfer.html
    Iran missile transfer puts most Israelis in range
    Move against major population centers follows report of nuke-sites hit ‘within year’
    Posted: May 30, 2006
    1:00 a.m. Eastern

    http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/Articles/canada.html
    Canada: Some Citizens al-Qaida Trained
    May 29, 2006
    By BETH DUFF-BROWN
    Associated Press Writer
    TORONTO
    Canada’s spy agency said Monday that some Canadian citizens or residents received terror training in al-Qaida-run camps in Afghanistan, providing official reinforcement to what security analysts have warned for years.
    The deputy director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Jack Hooper, told a Senate committee studying Canada’s role in Afghanistan that there are people living in Canada who fought with al-Qaida during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

    http://the-gathering-storm.blogsource.com/post.mhtml?post_id=336069
    WINDS OF WAR: The Face of the Future Conflict
    Monday, May 29, 2006 at 10:59 AM

    WORTH THE READ

    And thinking about the 2 saudis getting on the school bus down in Fla?

    then think about what the mulsum black panthers have said on TV they make no bones about what they intend todo?

    You see it is about here and now and waking up the world to the real danger about being out in shorts to go play tennis and having some-ass-hole mulsum drive up and shooting you because you had on shorts or the Freedom already lost because those who scream the loudest about freedom of speach have no ball because the mulsums didn’t like a cartoon and killed burned and roited but the left said nothing?

    This war is on either you are going to fight it standing up or with your head in the sand and get your butt shot off??

    Where was the leftiest press on Van Gogh and his Freedom to make his movie?

    don’t think the left is the worst enemy but they better stop siding with the enemy or like tratiors in past wars they wont like what will be coming their way??

    AND WHERE IS THE STORY OF THE MULSUM WHO BLEW HIMSELF UP IN NORMAN OK IN FRONT OF THE FOOTBALL GAME

    You see the left press gives cover to the enemy and in my book this is Sedition which is one step away from treason!!!!

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    PS
    Murtha said on cnn last night he got his info from the Marine Comadant well if this is so the Genaral needs to be fired for what he has done to betray his men.

  52. says

    Archimedes,
    I want to make a site that depicts all the events since mad mo began his march on the world. I have approached some posters on this site if they have web hosting space. Unfortunatly, the servers of my email provider went down. Now I shall have to mail them all over again. If you are interested in this project, I have thousands of images through the centuries of the carnage inflicted by islam on different people and cultures. Are you game ?

  53. says

    I spit on PC, I spit on every conspiracy-theory- peddling BS-artist, I spit on every fool that didn’t get the message…

    Jeez, sheik, why don’t you tell us how you really feel.

    My favorite conspiracy theory was the one about voter supression in Miami-Dade during the late afternoon in the 2000 presidential election.

    Hmmm, lemme see. We can’t keep state secrets secret anymore, but a police chief is gonna get away with ordering dozens of officers, many themselves of African ancestry, to throw an election? But to this day many accept this as having really happened, cuz the conspiracy theory has been repeated so often and not really investigated once. Then the infamous West Palm Beach conspiracy where a Democratic Party operative conspired against the… Democrats.

    And, oh, about how the USA was gonna rip off Iraq’s oil? I was at the pump yesterday, my eyes glistening with tears as I watched the tab shoot to the north side of $50. I demand a $25 dollar refund from my local conspiracy theorist, whoever you are.

  54. says

    Carolus:

    You say: “Ali may not kill you, Mr. Spencer, but I’ve little doubt she’d approve the slaughter of believing members of Dutch Reformed Church for the unforgiveable sins of “racism”, “xenophobia”, and “homophobia.” She might not have the nerve to pull the trigger herself, but there are no doubt plenty of Berias, Dzerzhinskys and Kaganoviches waiting in the wings to carry out the fondest desires of Ali and her fellow leftists to eradicate the last vestiges of the hated white male Christian patriarchy.”

    Evidence, please?

    You are asking me to equate a group that I know wants to kill me — the mujahedin — with a person who to my knowledge has never made any statements remotely comparable to theirs. I’m sorry, but I do not make decisions without evidence.

    Likewise Lawrence Auster’s obnoxious assertion that because Hirsi Ali has supported homosexuality, she will support pedophilia. One could just as easily say that because she opposes genital mutilation, she will also oppose pedophilia, because both victimize children. And his insinuation that because I support her on one issue, I will support her on all issues, directly contradicts what I have written here.

    So again: evidence, please.

    Cordially,
    Robert Spencer

  55. says

    arjun,

    I like the idea, but can’t get carried away with too many projects at once. Try sending your idea, written up in a paragraph or two, to Islam-watch watch.islam@gmail.com and they might like to include your images in the library or the history section.

    Catherine,

    True, but we need to get the general public onboard. That requires getting them all of the disturbing facts so that they will realize the extent of what we are dealing with (i.e., not just “a tiny minority of extremists,” etc).

  56. says

    Peoples,

    Believe me , I am not joking. We muslims strongly believe that the “rock” was white in Mohd’s SAW day.

    The Kafur has been (almost singularily) responsible for the ills to womens and badly sinned on belahf of humankind…reflected in the colour of the rock.

    The discontentment is society needs to change…and currently I know only of the tenents of Islam that can do this.

    Peace & Jilbabs ….you know the rest.

  57. says

    Toyko Rose Naseem writes;;;;;The discontentment is society needs to change…and currently I know only of the tenents of Islam that can do this……So a book that calls for the deaths of Jews and Christians will save the world?…A god that is to weak to kill for himself and must have an army of bug-eyed insane killers is who we should listen to?…..A god muslims claim said the world should belong to islam….Yet he is too weak to just kill off non-believes and leave only pure islam……..He needs cruel killers to do this?….Naseem you sure worship a weak god.

  58. says

    Naseem, AssI’llneverlickem. There is no evidence the black rock in Mecca was ever any other color. It is a metorite that was worshipped “because it fell from heaven”. Originally it was part of the 359 other idols that were worshipped in Mecca.
    Let your shia, sunni and suffi kill each other off to see which is the “correct” Islam first. Have at it. We’ll wait.
    2) “Entice other german gentlemens to Islam.” You mean she is to use her body in a seductive, sexy, dishonest way? You are suggesting she should commit haram? Lalalalalalala!!! No wonder you Islamic “slutty wild womens” are forced to hide your filthy sinful bodies in tents!
    Also it’s Bon-Bon, not bom-bom.

    Arjun, my friend. Good to see you here again. If I ever get to India you’ll have to show me around. Allah was the moon god that was worshipped by mad Mo’s clan.
    From Let Us Reason Ministries:

    “The name Allah, as the Qur’an itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa.” (Arthur Jeffrey, ed., Islam: Muhammad and His Religion (1958), p. 85.)
    The literal name of Mohammed’s father in Arabic is Abd Allah. His uncle’s name Obred Allah. These names show the devotion of Mohammed’s families pagan roots, and also prove that Allah was part of a polytheistic system of worship before Allah was made the supreme and only god from the other God’s. This should be proof to the pre- Islamic root of the name of Allah to the Muslim. Remember they were pagans who used this name.He kept his family name above all the other names. Mohammad had good intentions in removing the people from their polytheistic worship however he did not go far enough in his reform.

    Mecca was the place where the idol Allah was located, so the people would face in that direction when they prayed. Prior to Islam the people would pray 5 times a day facing Mecca (The Encyclopedia of Islam p.303) Prior to Islam’s beginning each Arab tribe used Allah to refer to its own particular high god. This is why Hubal, the Moon god, (known by other names) was the central focus of prayer at the Kaabah and people prayed to Hubal and they used the name Allah. The crescent moon was the symbol of the moon God Allah (Hubal) and is still used as a symbol of Islam today (although they have changed the meaning to be -from Mecca to the moon Islam will spread). Today there is hardly a Muslim that knows its ancient origin. History records it as an ancient pagan fertility symbol that is found throughout the Middle East. Mohammed smashed all the idols that led the people into idolatry but the black stone was kept which Muslims continue to kiss today. This was another practice that preceded Mohammad.
    Read it all here:
    http://www.letusreason.org/Islam6.htm

  59. says

    Naseem your god reminds me of this……..And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them. and said, Cry aloud: for he is god: either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, And must be awaked…1 Kings 18:27…..Naseem is your god asleep?…..He cant kill for himself….so he must be asleep.

  60. says

    nasseem

    ROTFL ROTFL!!

    The truth about what Mulsums believe??

    Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”

    NO TRUST HERE

    Qur’an 9:3 “And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Pilgrimage is that Allah and His Messenger dissolve treaty obligations with the Pagans.”

    AGAIN NO TRUST GOING ON HERE

    Qur’an 49:9 “If two parties among the Believers fall into fighting, make peace: but if one becomes aggressive, then fight against the one that transgresses until it complies.”

    NO PEACE HERE

    Qur’an 9:8 “How (can there be such a treaty), seeing that they get an advantage, the upper hand over you? They do not pay you respect, or honor you or the ties of kinship or covenant. With (good words from) their mouths they entice you [out negotiate you], but their hearts are averse to you.”

    AGAIN NO TRUST HERE

    Tabari VIII:17 “The Muslims and polytheists stayed in their positions for twenty nights with no fighting except for the shooting of arrows and the siege. When the trial became great for the people, the Messenger sent for the leaders of the Ghatafan [Meccan comrades]. He offered them a third of the date harvest of Medina on condition that they leave. The truce between the sides progressed to the point of drawing up a written document, but there was no witnessing or firm determination to make peace; it was only a matter of maneuvering.”

    SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING HERE DESEET IS A GOOD THING??

    Qur’an 4:91 “You will find others who, while wishing to live in peace and being safe from you to gain the confidence of their people; thrown back to mischief headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and offer you peace besides restraining their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear sanction and authority.” [So if you wish to live in peace, but are perceived as being mischievous (i.e., non-Muslim), Allah has given his Jihad warriors “a clear sanction and authority to seize and kill” you.]

    NOW WE JUST CAN’T WORK WITH THIS AT ALL

    Qur’an 9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. Some of the Bedouins look upon their payments (for Allah’s Cause) as a fine and wish disasters to fall on you (so that they might not have to pay). Yet on them be the disaster of evil.”

    YEP LOOKS LIKE GANSTERS OR AS WE SAY TODAY THE MOB WON’T WORK

    Qur’an 9:93 “The (complaint) is against those who claim exemption [from fighting] while they are rich. They prefer to stay with the (women) who remain behind (at home). Allah has sealed their hearts. They are content to be useless. Say: “Present no excuses: we shall not believe you.’ It is your actions that Allah and His Messenger will observe. They will swear to you by Allah, when you return hoping that you might leave them alone. So turn away from them, for they are unclean, an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling-place, a fitting recompense for them.”

    BUT THIS SAYS THAT THE RICH SHOULD BE KILLED EVEN THE LIBS WONT LIKE THIS ONE

    Tabari IX:13 “Muhammad turned to see Umm, a pregnant woman, who said, “O Messenger! Kill those [Muslims] who flee from you as you kill those who fight you, for they deserve death. Here is my dagger. If any come near me I will rip them up and slit open their belly with it.'”

    NOW ALL THEM THAT RAN AWAY TO CANADA WILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS??

    AND WHAT ABOUT ubl[yellow coward who runs away no see since tora bora] DOES THIS MEAN THE MULSUMS SHOULD KILL HIM?? NOT FOLLOWING YOUR BOOK VERY WELL?

    OR WAS HE REALLY STATE SPONSERED??

    Qur’an 59:11 “Have you not observed the Hypocrites saying to their unbelieving brethren among the People of the Book, “If you are expelled [from your homes by the Muslims], we will go with you?’ But Allah is witness that they are liars. If the Jews are expelled, never will the Hypocrites go with them; if they are attacked, they will not help them defend themselves. In truth you [jihadist Muslims] are more fearful and awful (than they) because they are afraid of you. This is a result of the terror (sent) by Allah. They are men devoid of understanding.”

    NO WRONG AGAIN LOOK AT THE FLOOD AND EARTHQUAKES IN INDONESIA AND WE CANT FORGET THE VOLCANO AND THE BIRD FLU??

    Qur’an 33:36 “It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option. If any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a wrong Path.”

    NOW THIS JUST WONT WORK CHANGING YOUR MIND IS A RIGHT

    Qur’an 9:53 “Say: “Pay your contribution for the Cause willingly or unwillingly.'”

    YEP THE MOB

    Qur’an 5:4 “This day those who reject faith give up all hope of your religion. Yet fear them not, fear Me. This day I have perfected your religion and have chosen for you Submission as your religion.”

    WAIT A MIN THER WERE PEOPLE WHO SAID NO HELL NO

    Qur’an 4:66 “If We had ordered them to sacrifice their lives or to leave their homes [to fight], very few of them would have done it: But if they had done what they were told, it would have been best for them, and would have strengthened their (faith).”

    SOUNDS LIKE WHEN STALIN HAD HIS SOLDIERS SHOT??
    NOT A GOOD THING

    Qur’an 9:113 “It is not fitting for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray for the forgiveness for disbelievers, even though they be close relatives, after it is clear to them that they are the inmates of the Flaming Hell Fire.”

    NOW THIS JUST WONT WORK PEOPLE LOVE THEIR FAMILYS

    Qur’an 5:78 “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.”

    WAIT A MIN IS THAT ANOTHER LIE NOT TOLD??

    Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”

    OH NO ANOTHER LIE FOUND OUT

    Qur’an 22:52 “Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before you, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some vanity into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in.” [Another translation reads:] “He recited (the message) Satan proposed. But Allah abolishes that which Satan proposes.” [A third claims:] “Satan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which Satan casts,” [A fourth:] “whose recitations Satan tampered with, yet Allah abrogates what Satan interpolates; and Allah will confirm His Signs/Revelations.”

    SO HE WAS THE D-EVIL SOMETIMES??

    Qur’an 22:53 “He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, the Devil’s proposals, but a trial and temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease. Verily the wrong-doers are in a schism. And those on whom knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the (Qur’an) is the truth from your Lord, that they may believe, and their hearts may submit lowly before it.”

    YEP THAT IS WHAT IT SAID?

    Bukhari:V4B54N516 “The Prophet said, “If anyone rouses from sleep and performs ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blow it out thrice because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.'”

    SO HE HAD SATAN IN HIS NOSE?

    Ishaq:91 “The Prophet explained the nature of shooting stars. “Allah shut off the satans by these stars which pelted them. So satans tried to steal information, listening in, mingling what they heard with conjecture and false intelligence. They conveyed it to the soothsayers.'”

    WELL WE KNOW THAT JUST PLAIN WRONG

    Qur’an 37:6 “We have decked the lower heaven with stars to protect them against all rebellious evil spirit, and provide security from every forward devil. So they cannot listen to the highest chiefs for they are pelted from every side, repulsed; they are under a perpetual torment, being driven off. Except such as they snatch away something by stealth, but then they are pursued by a flaming fire of piercing brightness.”

    HUH

    Qur’an 72:3 “There were some foolish ones among us, who used to utter preposterous things, atrocious lies against the Lord; We Jinn [Devils] had thought that no man or jinn would ever say anything untrue about the Lord. But there were men who took shelter with the male jinn. But they (jinn) increased them in waywardness, folly, and revolt. And surely they came to think as you thought, that the Lord would not raise up any Messenger. We jinn pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with fierce guards, stern wardens and flaming fires. We used to sit there in, hidden in observatories, trying to steal a hearing; but any who listen now will find a shooting star and a flaming fire watching him, lying in wait as an ambush for him. And we Jinn know not whether harm or evil is the intended fate of all men on earth, or whether the Lord intends to give them some guidance.”

    NOW nasseem WHAT WERE YOU SAYING ABOUT PEACE YOUR BOOK DON’T SAY THAT??

    Qur’an 6:66 “The people reject this (Book) and call it a lie though it is the truth. Say: “I am not a warden over you.’ …When you see men who meddle with Our Revelations, turn away, withdrawing from them. Satan makes you forget.”

    COULD THIS BE THE 666 THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE TALKS ABOUT NOT GOOD

    Tabari VI:107 “Satan Cast a False Qur’an Revelation on the Messenger of Allah’s Tongue.”

    SO LET ME GET THIS STRIEGHT D-EVIL = SATAN

    Qur’an 66:1 “O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts. And Allah is Forgiving, Most Kind. Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”

    SO WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT MARRAGE??

    Qur’an 8:69 “So enjoy what you took as booty; the spoils are lawful and good.”

    ISN’T THAT BREAKING ONE OF THE COMMANTS

    Qur’an 8:40 “If people are obstinate, and refuse to surrender, know that Allah is your Supporter. And know that one fifth of all the booty you take belongs to Allah, and to the Messenger, and for the near relatives (of the Messenger).”

    NOW THIS MAKES SENCE TO ME SENCE ALL THE CLARICS ARE CLAIMING TO BE DECENDENTS YEP THE MOB!!

    Qur’an 64:14 “Believers, truly, among your wives and your children there are enemies for you: so beware of them! … Your wealth and your children are only a trial.”

    NOW THIS DOESN’T FIT WITH WHAT YOU SAID AT ALL??

    Qur’an 8:28 “And know that your property and your children are just a temptation.”

    SO THE MULSUMS ARE TOLD NOT TO LOVE THEIR CHILDREN

    Qur’an 9:23 “Believers, take not for friends your fathers and your brothers if they love disbelief above belief. If you do, you do wrong. Say: If your fathers, your sons, your families, your wives, relatives and property which you have acquired, and the slackness of trade which you fear and dwellings which you like, are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger and striving hard, fighting in His Cause, then wait till Allah brings about His torment.”

    SO YOU BOOK SAYS FAMILY SUCKS AND NOT A GOOD THING??

    Qur’an 66:5 “Maybe, if he divorces you (all), Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you’submissive, faithful, obedient, adorers who worship, who travel, and are inclined to fasting”previously married or virgins.”

    SO IT WAS AND IS THROW AWAY WIFES

    Tabari IX:134 “Muhammad took Zaynab [his daughter-in-law] but Allah did not find any fault in the [incestuous] relationship and ordered the marriage.”

    NICE GUY

    Tabari IX:139 “Layla approached the Prophet while his back was to the sun and clapped him on his shoulder. He asked her who it was and she replied, “I am the daughter of one who competes with the wind. I am Layla. I have come to offer myself to you.’ He replied, “I accept.'” [Layla shared her story with her parents.] “They said, “What a bad thing you have done! You are a self-respecting girl, but the Prophet is a womanizer.'”

    NOW LET ME GET THIS STRIEGHT THIS IS YOUR PROPHET

    Bukhari:V4B52N211 “I participated in a Ghazwa [raid] with the Prophet. I said, “Apostle, I am a bridegroom.’ He asked me whether I had married a virgin or matron. I answered, “A matron.’ He said, “Why not a virgin who would have played with you? Then you could have played with her.’ “Apostle! My father was martyred and I have some young sisters, so I felt it not proper that I should marry a young girl as young as them.'”

    SO NOT ALL HIS MEN THOUGHT IT OKAY TO SLEEP WITH BABYS

    Qur’an 33:6 “The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on themselves, and his wives are their mothers…. This is written in the Book.”

    Qur’an 33:37 “You hid in your mind and your heart that which Allah was about to manifest: you feared the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zayd had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We gave her to you, joining her in marriage to you: in order that there may be no difficulty or sin for the Believers in the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah’s command must be fulfilled.”

    DIDN’T I SEE A STORY ON DW ABOUT THIS NOT TO LONG AGO IN PAKISTAN??

    Qur’an 33:51 “You may put off whom you please, and you may take to you whomever you desire. You may defer any of them you please, and you may have whomever you desire; there is no blame on you if you invite one who you had set aside. It is no sin.”

    NOW WESTERN WOMEN AINT GOINA GO FOR THIS AT ALL

    Qur’an 33:36 “It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option. If any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a wrong Path.”

    NOW THIS JUST AINT GOINA WORK

    Qur’an 4:11 “Allah directs you in regard of your Children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females…. These are settled portions ordained by Allah.”

    NOP NOT GONA WORK

    Qur’an 4:43 “Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving.” [The Qur’an claims women are unclean and polluted”worse than dirt.]

    NOP CAN’T GET AROUND THIS ONE EITHER

    Qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”

    HOLLYWOOD WONT GO FOR THIS AT ALL

    Qur’an 24:1 “(This is) a surah which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful. For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.”

    YEP THIS REALLY PISSED OFF THE AMERICAN WOMEN WHEN THEY SAW THIS ON TV NOP NOT GOOD TO BE A MULSUM WOMAN UNDER MULSUM RULE

    Part of the American Tribe
    Squirrel Hunter
    Spider Killer
    GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

  61. says

    Naseem,

    “The Kafur has been (almost singularily) responsible for the ills to womens and badly sinned on belahf of humankind…reflected in the colour of the rock. ”

    Before the Muslims complain about how women are treated in the West, please clean your own house first, because women in Islam fair badly if not worse.

  62. says

    Naseem:

    Believe me , I am not joking. We muslims strongly believe that the “rock” was white in Mohd’s SAW day.

    Well, pardon me for giving you too much credit. I really thought you had more sense than that.

    Your “or what” post the other day really read like a parody of what our stupider politicians might think, and, as such, raised quite a chuckle here.

  63. says

    Naseem: The Kafur has been (almost singularily) responsible for the ills to womens and badly sinned on belahf of humankind…reflected in the colour of the rock.

    According to Tabari, Mohammad said the rock turned black because menstruating women ‘fingered’ it. But now we know the ‘rest of the story’, according to Naseem. The real reason the rock is black is because kafurs are responsible for the ills, and sins of women. Or something like that…Those rotten kafurs…

  64. says

    Bohemond,
    O.T. so I’ll make it brief. Happy coincidence that you’re in Texas. When I was in college, it was my dream to tour Texas and Arizona. I wanted to cross the Death Valley on foot. And I wanted to ride like the cowboys. I was nutty enough to practice for both. Events did not allow me to visit the U.S. I do not see myself coming over for a short visit even this year. But if you can come, do. I am a member of several clubs, and if you feel like it, we can trek, rock climb, raft, or just sight-see. Hoping one of us does make it this year.

  65. says

    Robert, forgive me please for being OT. I apologize in advance. Arjun, I would strongly advise against going through Death Valley on foot! Much better to do it in an airconditioned SUV. Trust me, it isn’t called Death Valley for nothing. 2004-05 was their wettest year ever. A shocking 6.44 inches (16.36 cm) for the year! In 2005 the hotest temperature was 129 degrees Fahrenheit, 53.889 Centigrade! I don’t think India is possible this year, but someday.

  66. says

    1069 says “Arjun, I would strongly advise against going through Death Valley on foot! Much better to do it in an airconditioned SUV”.

    1069….don’t put him off…if he wants the challenge …why stop him.

    Yojimbo…regarding the colour of the stone…it is difficult to believe that the virgin mary had a baby boy too …but bigcatgirl believes it …so is she stupid too?

    Please pass the message onto her …I’m sure she will appreciate it!

  67. says

    Naseem, I would invite you to walk through there in July in full burkha, it will be good training for where you will spend eternity. Of course your hubby would have to precede you and you would have to follow behind, like a good little doggy……

  68. says

    “…it is difficult to believe that the virgin mary had a baby boy too …” Is anything too hard for the LORD God of Israel?
    Of course I can understand how it would be difficult for allah, a common rock in Mecca, to do anything…….

  69. says

    Bohemond,
    In the region where I live, the temp. is nowadays 50 dg. C. in this season. That is why I said I practised. But until I can make it, it only remains a dream.

  70. says

    arjun

    The picture of Lord Shiva is interesting. I know precious little of Hinduism, but this coincides with something I’ve been looking into. It’s completely OT, so please indulge my little bs theory. I’m a determinist, and interested in the relationships between cognitive psychology and information theory, particulary Kauffman-type dynamically self-organising networks and their role in exploring the “binding problem”: There must be a causal relationship between informational and thermogeometric entropy, for instance signal complexity and associated connective equillibria as determined by conservative selection pressure / neural thermodynamics.

    This kind of iconography leads me to wonder whether the ancients could have developed similar ideas just from first principles of geometry and conscious experience. Rather than pyramids in the 3D sense, these are equilateral triangles. Sixty-degree matrices are a recurrent emergent feature in nature – for example foraging ants have been shown to navigate using scent trails favouring random sixty-degree angles, and cortical activity favours sixty-degree axons. It is said David used leather attached to two inverted equilateral triangles for his shield because metal was in short supply and this was the most efficient type of frame, hence “Magen David”. The symbol was also important to Zoroaster, who is conjectured to have been Pythagoras’s master. These kinds of “edge of chaos” connective equillibria could account for our propensity to process information using base-eight symmetry – octave equivalence and seven-note tonalities, as well as seven “primary” colours (Newton ponders something along these lines in his Optiks). Simply put, if all information is composed of “forms” encoded in temporal and spatial (or serial & parallel) frequency relationships, where such signal complexity diverges toward infinity, simplicity converges towards power of two synchrony. (The octave bandwidth of colour perception has recently been explained by Gerald C. Huth’s pioneering work on the microstructure of the retina). Assuming the simplest possible frequency relationship is resolved by a correspondingly optimal level of connectivity, the resulting axiom would be that all information is modulation of factor-two synchrony, in both temporal and spectral domains, in both EM and mechanical realms, and informational entropy is inversely proprtional to connective entropy. All sensory perception, feelings and thoughts are mediated by their associated entropic profile, as determined by equlibrium thermogeometrics. Recent work on the thalamocortical pathways and all of the senses (even the “molecular” senses, olfaction/gustation) fit this model. That being so, the matrix behind Shiva could be symbolic of “the root of all knowledge”, the de facto oracle of lore… Assuming of course this particular mandala is specific to Lord Shiva.

    If you make a matrix of equilateral triangles and colour six cells to form a Star of David, you get six empty cells inside forming a hexagon. If each is shaded a different colour you get seven colours including the star. Each inner cell can then form the corner of six more stars around its edge, forming a pattern that can be repeated Escher-style to fill all cells with discrete, interlocking stars with an optimum total of seven colours…

    Could the ancients have hit upon something similar? The poem of Lucretius relates Epicurus’s description of the atomic nature of matter, as well the basic laws of thermodynamics. If the fundamental tenets of nuclear physics were understood as early as the 3rd century BC, it’s perhaps just plausible that the cognitive functions of hexagonal matrices and octagonal symmetry could also have been appreciated in similar esoteric traditions, and since overlooked as mere mysticism… A tantalising reminder of what might have been lost in the Alexandrian library…

    Incidently, “shiv’a” is Hebrew for “seven”… as in seven frequency intervals or colours!? The Chinese have long had an affinity for the number eight, and a recent archaelogical dig there unearthed a collection of 3,000 year old bone flutes tuned to 12-tet – ie. tuned to eachother, suggesting complex polyphonic tonality was only recently reinvented by European renaisance theorists. Octave equivalence was also the inspiration for Newland’s derivation of the periodic table, and this eight-fold periodicity may yet be significant in the application of octave-spanning lasers in atomic spectroscopy, with possible implications for the so-called anthropic principle, and perhaps in resolving certain paradoxes of QT… and free will. But Who knows. Not me. Sorry for hobbyhorseing…

    As you say, so much to study!

    Regarding the kaaba – It wouldn’t be too surprising if it held, among other things, Jewish artifacts… the Ark, the Menorah? It’d bolster their belief they’re the new keepers of the Abrahamic covenant. I’d presumed the Black Stone was supposed to be a moon rock, like maybe a peice of Allah’s ass fell off so his minions could spend the rest of eternity kissing it. Dunno….

  71. says

    1069 is showing his age by being so condesending…& answering for Mr. Arjun. He says “Naseem, I would invite you to walk through there in July in full burkha, it will be good training for where you will spend eternity. Of course your hubby would have to precede you and you would have to follow behind, like a good little doggy……

    Hey, it’s not my challenge …it is Mr. Sevak’s.
    Mr Sevak has shown himself to be smart & can answer for himself.

    Incidentally, Arjun….I am very interested in the link about Shiva…about how muslims before being muslims were hindus.

    This kinda makes us (very distant) Brataashree & Bahenjishree…cool or what?

  72. says

    naseem,
    I’ll go by the Bible any day because Jesus did not rape children and massacre people and did not have so many “wives” and did not seek to have a “wife” who was 9 years old. And also he did not send “believers” who were to kill all that disagreed.
    And I shall believe in the Virgin.

  73. says

    Das Lied der Dar-Al-Islam

    Dar-Al-Islam, Dar-Al-Islam above all,
    Above all else in the world,
    When it always, for protection and defiance,
    stands together brotherly.
    From the Israel to taking over the world,
    From the Israel to subduing the world,
    Dar-Al-Islam, Dar-Al-Islam above all,
    Above anything in the world.

    http://sample.music.yahoo.com/radio/clientdata/624/player.asp?cid=624&iid=1&ltw=LaunchRadioTarget&p=6&m=0&d=0&modeInitialized=1&mode=1&resized=1&bridgeInit=1&bridgeMode=1&sids=469648

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/18.htm

  74. says

    Animus, before Muhammed was born the moon god “al-Ilah” (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah’s shrine was located. According to Islamic history,
    Mohammed was tricked by Satan into adding verses in the Quran that commanded Muslims to pray to Allah’s three daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat as well as Allah. A bit problematic for a patriarchal, mothestic religion. The pagan female trinity was accepted without dissent though and the passage was considered part of the revealed Quran. However some time later, Mohammed got a revelation from Allah that the verse should be removed. (So much for the Quran being “perfect” and “unchanged”.) Solomon Rushdie got into big trouble with Mohammedans for pointing this out in his book “The Satanic Verses”.
    It is interesting that in pagan religion today the three goddesses are still represented by a crescent moon facing left, a full moon center and a crescent moon facing right. )O(
    This makes some obviously embarrasing connections to Islam and Pagan religions via the worship of the moon god. Guess there is nothing new under the sun, or the moon. http://www.magickrose.co.uk/images/triplemooncloth.jpg
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Triple-Goddess-Waxing-Full-Waning-Symbol.png

  75. says

    Hi All, thanks for the heads up.

    Naseem, the stone was black before Mohamads time & it remains black after mohamads time. The idea that it was white at that period is a hypothesis. This fact is written in some books that describe the 99 status of god in & out of bakka.

    And believe me, hundreds of my friends who went for haji & umrah kissed the black rock when they are there. a close friend of mine that conveted compared the rock (he said it was somehow glued togather, was shattered) looks very much a like the stone used in the ancient linggam.

    Mohammad was just making the transition from statue to statue-less while maintaining the same god names. As long the statue looks like a human, he rejects it. Much like Abraham did.

    Also note that the Hindu culture (I use culture because its a practice of hindus) were to go round a temple to pray (3 or 9 times normally), facing a temple to pray & telling hinduism stories among those they met.

    The prove is simple, take any sanskrit word & translate the pronounciation to arabic, the result is almost or the same. The most popular one of the sanskrit word of AUM (looks like a numeric 3).

    So, the arabs (some) indeed know about this concept of hinduism & according to it, their last hero named Kalki was to save the world.

    Mohammad studied these from both the pegan priest & a christian monk (orthodox) & they followed the hindu-like tradition to identify the prophet in him (note, Kalki is represented as a cow-human characteristics).

    The cow-like birth mark on his back was all it took for the monk to prove his theory.

    Even Mohammad said that he was the last prophet, the same analogy hindus would say with kalki.

    But sadly, the calculations of the Kali-Yuga (The last prophet will come to all the people/religion at the end of the bad age) is way longer than expected. Around 400,000 years to come.

    So, Il conclude that the stories spread by hindu merchants & travellers have marginally found its place among the arabs that in time they evolved the story. And along came Mohammad to believe hes the one that fits the hero of the story.

    If it does not make any sense, please disregard my comment.

  76. says

    Bohemond – thank you, yes, I’d also found this to be the case, though your account is somewhat more on-topic than my little rant there, ahem… Although I didn’t know that the three were still important in todays paganism, or the usage of the )O(.

    I keep a copy of the Britannica on my hard drive, it has a fairly comprehensive description of Islam’s Pagan origins. (The 2006 issue is floating about on the bittorrent network if anyone’s interested). I often fall back on it when pretending to know what i’m talking about…

  77. says

    Naseem old girl, I realize English isn’t your primary language so I will attempt to explain what you have misunderstood: I was not answering for Arjun, meerly being hospitable and offering you some recreation if your hubby should ever visit America and allow you to follow along. After all, that is a proper woman’s place, behind a man since you are not allowed to inherit as much as a man and your testimony in court is only worth half that of a man’s, and in proper Islamic countries a woman cannot go out without a male chaperone or talk with any male outside her family, right? You must feel terribly honored to be able to talk to men through the computer outside your clan without having a chaperone.

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    tjwork – yes, apparently the black rock was broken after being stolen and recovered on at least one occassion. IIRC the kaaba has been captured, destroyed and repaired several times, though I don’t remember the details. IIRC the stone is the last of 360 that were attached to the original cubic temple, one for each day of their lunar year. The Sunnis still use the lunar calendar, one of my mates is observant and tells me about the difficulty timing ead(sp?) and ramadan each year.

    I’ve dreamt up all sorts of half-baked theories about the gaps in the documented relationships between Judaism, Islam, Hanifism and Arabic paganism, but i think I’ve wasted enough space on this thread already. Another time, another thread…

  80. says

    “I’ve dreamt up all sorts of half-baked theories about the gaps in the documented relationships between Judaism, Islam, Hanifism and Arabic paganism….”
    Animus, that and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. If you get a small cup.
    (No sense worryng about things we can’t control.)

  81. says

    Lets not play politics here. Left or Right we should unite to combat jihad. I though Mr. Spencer valued that belief- it seems it is not so.

  82. says

    Dear Robert,

    I never made the claim that Ali has made such a statement. My suspicion of her intentions is based on the long bloody history of leftist totalitarianism and leftist behavior. Leftist totalitarians rarely openly proclaim their murderous intent, and hardly ever when they aren’t in a position to actually carry it out. As the Cicero quote mentions, the Muslims – evil as they are – carry their banner openly. They are quite blunt about their intentions. Leftist totalitarians on the other hand, which Ali has proven herself to be, will invariably speak of “equality”, “social justice”, “tolerance.” Despite all of the flowery language, their history speaks for itself. Sort of a form of ‘taqqiyah’, if you will.

    Anyone who would vote to ban a religious political party for what amounts to being insufficiently PC is a leftist totalitarian. Ali also openly advocated banning one the largest parties in neighboring Belgium for a similar offense. As I said earlier, this crosses a serious line as far as I am concerned. I expect Larry Auster basically takes the same view. She’s hardly one who believes in liberty or free political expression.

    My disagreement with your position here is similar to my disagreement with the so-called ‘manifesto against jihad’ – wich is a misnomer if ever there was one. The whole thrust of the drive – spearheaded by the European leftists who make up the bulk of signatories – is to actually ban Christianity from all aspects of public life in the name of ‘stopping religious extremism.’ They just want another excuse to arrest Ake Green – and throw him into the gulag for good.

    Mind you, I don’t consider you to be a leftist totalitarian and I will make up my own mind as to whether you’re a liberal or not. I’ve not read enough of your writings to say so one way or another. In your exchange with Auster, I’d say you responded much like a liberal. That doesn’t mean anything more than how I saw your responses in that narrow context, though. On some other remarks on the threads you made statements that don’t strike me as very liberal. Perhaps your focus on Islam, where you’ve undeniably contributed much of value, has somewhat blinded you to what a deadly poison leftism has been to our civilization. At any rate, Ali hold no political power in the US, and she can be opposed ferociously here for the time being. That might all change if HRH Hillary ‘the Lizard Queen’ ascends to the Cherry Blossom throne in 2009.

  83. says

    Carolus,

    I think your claim that I “responded like a liberal” in the exchange with Auster is just as bizarre and unfounded as his claim that I didn’t respond with substance. I gave him evidence that the positions that I espouse are as old as Genesis and venerable in the Christian tradition — hardly things important to a modern liberal. He ignored that, and all the other substantive points I made, and then claimed that I didn’t offer any and was arguing solely on a personal-attack level.

    Well, I should have known not to get into an argument with him in the first place, but I didn’t know him before it started the way I do now.

    I suggest you go back and read the whole thing more closely.

    Cordially
    Robert Spencer

  84. says

    Anyway, Carolus, you can call me whatever you wish. The jihad at hand will conquer and subjugate all of us, conservative, liberal, whatever. We are in a fight for our lives. To indulge in smear-mongering and infighting when we are fighting for our survival is, in my view, unconscionable, and I am going to indulge it no longer.

    Cordially
    Robert Spencer

  85. says

    Dear Robert,

    I’lll re-read the exchange as you suggest. As I said before, I saw other remarks from you that certainly did not strike me as being liberal. I am not even against allying with liberals who oppose Islam in any case. I do draw the line with leftist totalitarians, though. Most are just using the issue as an excuse to get at their real target – the remnant of the living, breathing west: the people, the religion, the culture. As I see it, Ali is a third-world leftist who has merely substituted one totalitarian ideology (leftism) or another (Islam).Cuba or North Korea would surely be more to her liking. They don’t have any use for Islam, either.

    As I pointed out in my first post, the majority of the western liberals and leftists (and I include everyone from the Busheviks to Ramsey Clark here), have basically opted for dhimmitude and/or treason to one degree or another when it comes to Islam. You have pointed out these acts of betrayal on many occaisions yourself.

    I am very sad that you and Larry got into such a heated exchange, to be honest. I don’t think infighting is a good thing in the face of this either. While I am freely expressing my disagreement with your stand here, I nevertheless see the vast majority of your endeavors as being both excellent and valuable. Context is imporant, and at the end of the day your support for Ali, while a mistake iMO, does not render all of your other work useless. Thanks for allowing me the chance to post my thoughts here, too.

    Best Wishes,

    Carolus

  86. says

    Animus,
    The Hindus also make the Star of David. Only we call it Brahma Shatkosh. And the reason I asked to observe the pyramids in the background is because we have an ancient book of Astrology (Jyotish Shastra). It is not only one book, but comprises of around 700 (something like En. Britannica). I started studying it 3 years back. I was stunned to find that it advises keeping miniature pyramids of crystal at home for treatment of certain disorders.
    Animus, you know what we need. We need historians, archaelogists, linguists, software nerds, and some geniuses in a GREAT big hall with the books and scriptures of every religion and culture, present or past, to f
    igure out what actually happened.

    “Assuming of course this particular mandala is specific to Lord Shiva.”

    No, it is not specific to Lord Shiva. Animus, like I said, we need a lot of people to make the big picture. As individuals, we can only help by pointing out the signs.

  87. says

    Animus,
    I had a hard time figuring out your post. Got all of it, I think. I did not think about geometry, though logically I should have.

  88. says

    The stone turning black may have had something to do with it screaming in through the atmosphere at 18,000 mph. People are always digging them up all over Antarctica, Australia, and, oh yeah, everywhere else in the world, all the time.

    Jeez, its a friggin meteorite. Tons of them fall to earth every year.

    They’re not from “Allah”.

    They’re from space. Dead rocks from space. Trillions of ’em floating around, occassionally caught in the planet’s gravitational well and falling to terra firma.

    Nothing mystical about it. Just physics.

  89. says

    zonie kafir,
    No it is not true. What is true is, Lord Shiva is worshipped by all since he is regarded as very generous and simple. The link to his picture I posted above shows that he lives very simply. He does not wear gold and diamonds like Lord Vishnu. Snakes are his ornaments. And Kailash Parvat is his abode. (It is in the Himalayas.) In my city there are 4 Shiva temples which date back over 1000 years. Most of the townfolk start their day by offering flowers to Lord Shiva in these temples. Do not get confused with “rituals for fertility”.
    As I write this, I see that you have mentioned “Kailasha” in your latest post. Connect the Kailash Parvat (mountain) with this.

  90. says

    zonie kafir,
    Here I mention mythology. It is said that Lord Shiva drank the poison which would otherwise have destroyed creation. That is why snakes are his ornaments and ghosts and spirits are his followers. He stands between the Creation and the Destroyers. He prevents the Evil from destroying Creation but has to live with them. It is a common thing for a man walking alone in wilderness to call out Lord Shiva to ward off ghosts. It is also said that of all gods, Lord Shiva listens and gives immediately, for, he himself may live in depravity, but has something for everybody.

  91. says

    -zonie kafir,

    My posting wasn’t actually meant for you. It was more for all those superstitious, arrogant mohammedans who insist that the thing turned black because of the assumed shortcomings of Infidels.

    I get a little tired of those barbarians looking down their noses at us, especially when they’re so backward and primitive as to think that the devil uses the aforementioned probosci as Comfort Inns at night.

    Their unearned smugness must, at times, be plinked at like an empty, useless can.

  92. says

    Arjun, Yoni and Eisenhund,

    I think we muslims owe it to ourselves to find out where we came from. Lying about Allah is the greatest lie of all…after all what is the purpose of belief then.

    The blackstone could be a shivling…..certainly a stone from the heavens would not be so shaped.

    A little secret…My Aba in the UK (now deceased) used to have hindu friends….and he would forever talk to him about shiva.

    Where he “lives”, what is the purpose of the shivling….what does the moon represent, who was ganga…almost like an obsession.

    Ofcourse I used to hear snippets of this …but didn’t really think about this much…until Mr. Sevak put those links up and ….I was stunned to read those….I must admit I walked around in a daze for days.

    If only my Aba was alive now…..I would ask him about Shiva and what he knew about him….and why he so obssesed.

    I have a new respect for hindus (except for manipulative bhramins ofcourse) …and want to learn more about shiva.

    Could it really be that Allah is a hindu god…..so what is Mohd talking about then?

  93. says

    naseem,
    what happened was that mad mo got a copy of The Holy Bible. Then maybe he got a cresent from a statue. Then he got some rosaries from someplace. Then he got a sword. He put all this in his mind and from that demonic cauldron came the hellfire called islam. Do not ever equate Hindu gods with demon allah. We never went around sawing off the heads of all and sundry howling allahu akbar. We don’t bang our heads on the floor 5 times a day while a mullah howls. I have a big fat pig I call allah.

  94. says

    zonie kafir,
    Yes you are right. This arcane knowledge won’t get us anywhere. Let us focus on the present instead. I got riled on my last post. But this troll comparing my veggie God with neck-sawing cultists’ inspiration got me mad. I would have given you some links on mythology but I am afraid this troll will visit them and I don’t like this happening. So will send you later.
    Regards,
    Arjun

  95. says

    Arjun said “I got riled on my last post. But this troll comparing my veggie God with neck-sawing cultists’ inspiration got me mad. I would have given you some links on mythology but I am afraid this troll will visit them and I don’t like this happening.”

    What a pathetic attitude from Arjun…and this just when I was starting to get a bit of respect for Hindoos….also I am no troll.

    Peoples need to talk & not fight…are your links “sacred”?

    Don’t you want muslims to know the truth….”the truth can set you free”…as they say in Amriki.

    Yoni….please keep talking….this is a very important subject.

  96. says

    What is it about ‘peaceful’ Islam that leads people to want commit mass murder?

    That’s the ‘PC Puzzle’ of our times.

  97. says

    Pass It On,
    mad mo got them all going. They want to kill and destroy everything that was there before mad mo was cursed on this Earth. They want to kill and destroy and when we don’t let them do it, they say that they are the victims cos we don’t let them kill and destroy. Go figure.

  98. says

    arjun.sevak
    That is why I have called it a PC Puzzle – because the answer is not PC.

    Only when we look at Islamic violence through a PC angle, are we not allowed to see or to acknowledge the origins of the Islamic violence.

  99. says

    zonie kafir

    It is a documented fact that the original black stone at the Kaaba in Mecca is a meteorite. It is being worn down because there is a ritual robbing the stone as you pass it, during the Hajj [or pilgrimage to Mecca].

    http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-black-stone-in-kaba.jpg

    There was a documentary on meteorites which featured this Islamic black stone at the Kaaba as a meteorite.
    When someone online said that the original Kaaba was probably a meteorite – i.e. came from outer space, I thought it was hilarious. But it made sense, because here you have a dark metallic stone, up against natural colour sand, which would have meant that the stone was likely viewed as special by the ancient Arabians, who most probably included in their practice of worshipped for this reason. Especially if they witnessed the rock hurtling from space, with flames streaming out from behind it – a sight that would have caused most ancient peoples to become religious.

    Before statues were commonly used in worship – it was very common to worship stones.

    http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/allah.html

    A far as the Three Daughters of Allah goes, till today the guardians of the Kaaba in Mecca are the Three Old Ladies! An indisputable connection to Islam’s pagan history.

  100. says

    zonie kafir

    No, it is documented; the documentary was either on UKTV History or National Geographic Channel.

    I thought the person online had just made up the meteorite Kaaba story. It seemed at the time to be the ultimate thing to say, but after viewing this documentary there seem to be some truth to it.

    Encyclopedia Britannica also acknowledges that the Three Daughters of Allah existed. [See Islam Bk 22 page 105 top right.]

    The problem with Islam is most of the Islamic world lives in isolation. Where particularly the information, they receive is strictly monitored. One of the reasons why they are so arrogant internationally, and are asserting themselves as the kind of Ãœber Culture and the Absolute Right for the whole world, is because they have been given only selected information on what everyone else believes. [Encyclopedia Britannica is forbidden in Saudi Arabia]

    Would these people act so boldly, if they knew that Islam was slightly flawed?

    So it suits Islamic countries to keep their people is a state of selected ignorance, about Islam’s pre-history, but unfortunately this ignorance also extends to the science and math that would help them out today. Where, for example, are the fruits of Islamic science and Islamic Math that many Islamic school children have been taught?

  101. says

    What? To believe that a meteorite actually came from “allah” and turned black because Infidel women don’t cover their hair?

    You bet. One has to have alot of imagination to believe that stuff.

    On the other hand, here in the West, in the third millennium, that kind of imagination goes by another name.

    Schizophrenia.

  102. says

    Hi Nasseem & Arjun,

    Firstly, I admire your interest to learn about shiva. Im sure we could assist you in learining.

    Arjun, perhaps we should give nasseem a chance to understand a little bit of hinduism.

    I am for all supporting a moderate muslim & be willing to put our differences aside if we found a common ground to understand each other. This is only possible is muslims could use their brains to question & demand logical answers.

    Back here, muslims know about the shiva concept but non are brave to talk in public.
    So there you have it.

  103. says

    Okay, I’m lost.

    First, what does the Ka’aba have to do with the female German suicide bomber?

    Second, what again is the connection between the Ka’aba and the Shiva lingam?

  104. says

    OH you silly woman nasseem did you mean

    1060what do those who invent lies of god think about the day of reckoning [will they escape the judgement] in fact gods gracious to men; but most are not gratefull

    or did you really mean
    1069 say those who fabicate lies about god will never succeed

    so you silly woman pretending exposes yourself the burka can not hide you!!

    for the evil eye is in your heart and all you do is exposed because there lies upon your heart the eye sees throught the lies you teach others!!

    for when one brother would kill another brother [when cain killed able] the yellow curse will fall on his clan for a thousand gerantitions so it was said.

    and now the mulsums bring this curse upon themselfs by premoting the killing of Jews and others!!

    and we see this by the Locus and the Floods and the Earthquakes this can not be denied!!

    Yes sight is a wonderful thing!!

    http://www.beecy.net/frank/

    Polio is spreading in Yemen is this not where the monster ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY]he now brings plagues on the people he has brought the wrath of God on mulsums because of their killing and hate? When will the mulsum world see this curse on their heads for following these monsters??
    When God lead the Children of Israel out of Egypt out of Bondage from slavery Egypt felt that wrath now because they follow the hate again we see in mulsum lands FLOODS, EARTHQUAKES, LOCUS, SICKNESS how much will they have to suffer because they are following MONSTERS down the wrong path to want the death of Jews and Christians and others??

    IS ANYONE REALY SURPRISED?? If you know about the Torah or the Bible then you would understand they worship Ishmael and what it says about him will be an ass of a man his hand against every one!!

    The Arabians were for centuries governed by the descendants of Joktan, who peopled the south-west of Arabia. Yarab one of the sons of Joktan founded the kingdom of Yaman, in which was also the kingdom of Sheba, whose Queen afterwards visited King Solomon. The Kingdom of Yaman was the most powerful state of all Arabia. [NOW THERE IS A plagues on the children who is from there? ubl [YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY]
    Jorahan another son of Joktan founded the kingdom of Hedjaz which became the thereafter became the most import in all Arabia for its possession of the holy places of Mecca and Medina, and is called the holy land of Arabia
    The Arabs originally acknowledged the Existence of one Supreme God, Creator of the Universe, whom they called allah taala, the most high god.
    Their religion soon lost its earliest monotheism, and degenerated into gross idolatry, fetichism, animal worship and star worship. They frist of all adopted Sabeanism or worship of the hosts of heaven.
    It is said that the ancient Arabs had 7 celebrated temples decated to the 7 plantes. Very soon, however, the star worship became greatly corrupted and other deities, superstitious and idolatrous practices were introduced.
    From their pagan neighbors they adopted the doctrine of the abodes or haunts of gods: marked them out as sacred territories by pillars, and within which bloodshed, cutting of trees, and killing game was forbidden, and within such enclosures the blood of sacrifices was smeared on sacred stones, and gifts were hung up on trees. This is the origin of the Haramain or sacred territory around Mecca and Medina. Everywhere in Arabia there were wells, pillars, and heaps of stones, where the Arab devotees congregated to obtain special blessings. Sacrifices were common, but not by fire. The blood of the sacrifices was smeared over the rude stone altars, and the flesh was eaten by the worshipers.
    They also worshiped idols, ten of whom are mentioned by name in the qu-ran.
    Al Uzza identified with planet Venus, and worshiped at times under the form of an acacia tree: and Manat a huge stone worshiped as an altar by several tribes. The Arabs also worshiped angels, whom they called female gods and the daughters of god. They imagined that these images of angles were animated by them and were intercessors with god for man. The most celebrated and central object of arab worship however was the blackstone of Mecca set in the corner of a square building called the Kaaba, in which also are placed the images of Abraham and Ismael each carrying in their hands divine arrows.

    SO WHEN THE GO AROUND AND AROUND THEY WORSHIP ISMAEL KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT HIM??

    Further they say that Mecca stands on the spot exactly beneath God’s throne in heaven. The present Kaaba they say was built by Abraham and his son Ismael and the black stone which had been missing, was shewn to Ismael by the angel Gabriel, and it was used as a corner stone for the building of the kaaba.
    The Jews who had fled in great numbers into Arabia from the fearful destruction of their country by the Romans, had introduced Jewish religion among several of the tribes. Christianity like wise had made great progress among this nation before the birth of Mo-Ham-Od
    The multiplicity and variety of so many religions and religious ideas and practices not infrequently conflicting with one another had already produced in the minds of these people necessity of finding a religion that would be re-conciliatory, and that could be adaped to the nature of people and thus the path was layed open to the new religion called Hanifs, which was introduced just before the birth of Mo-Ham-Od. These Hanifs were a small number of Arabs, who worshiped only allah, rejecting polytheism, and sought FREEDOM from sin and resignation to Gods will. Thus was we see Hanifism was only a step to islam, and such was the state of religion in Arabia before the time of Mo-Ham-Od.

    OF COURSE THEN HE BROUGHT RAPE KILLING STEALING AND LETS NOT FORGET LIEING ALL FOR HIS CAUSE??? SAD SAD!! Most muslims have taken what was

    before which was good and get it mixed up with Mo-Ham-Ods stuff???

    Some by me and the rest by Rev.J.L.Menezes written in 1912??

    Oh you silly woman what curses you bring upon your people so sad sad

    Do you really think these people are fooled by you and your lies???

    Part of the American Tribe
    Squirrel Hunter
    Spuder Killer
    GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPOR THEM AND THEIR EVIL DEEDS AMEN

  105. says

    nasheem, here’s another reason

    “1) bring other woman friends into the Islamic fold
    2) Entice other german gentlemens to Islam.
    3) Bear childrens for 20 years and bring them all into Islam & to get them married early to spread the good news about Islam to others. She could get them to marry within her clan…so much easier & a better an emotional experience than marrying outside.”

    4) indulge in bestiality and pedophilia

  106. says

    “The blackrock used to be a whiterock…which has steadily turned black in colour as it has absorbed the sins of humankind….a direct result of the kafur allowing slutty wild womens bahaviour on earth. ”

    proof that the bestiality practiced in islam is the real evil of the world. thanks for proving that nasheem and again your immense stupidity.

  107. says

    “I think we muslims owe it to ourselves to find out where we came from”

    don’t bother, you all come from a filthy dump

    “The blackstone could be a shivling…..certainly a stone from the heavens would not be so shaped. ”

    it could be also camel’s shit dried. ever thought of that?

    “A little secret…My Aba in the UK (now deceased)”

    and we are all grateful to shiva or whoever else in charge for that. May you follow him/her as soon as possible.