No doubt the reaction to this will be the same as that which greeted news of similar findings in the United States: a complete evasion of responsibility by Muslim groups and a likewise complete absence of calls by non-Muslims to Muslims to tend to their own house.
Why should Muslims who aren't committing acts of violence take any responsibility for this? Because Muslims who honestly condemn jihad terror should have no problem acknowledging that such acts of terror are the main reason why non-Muslims have a negative view of Islam. Consequently also they should recognize that only they can change such perceptions, by working against the jihad far more publicly and energetically, and in far larger numbers, than they have up to this point.
From Expatica, with thanks to all who sent this in:
BERLIN - Germans are growing increasingly negative over Islam and concern is rising over the country's Muslim minority, a recently released poll shows."If one looks at this from a pessimistic viewpoint it could be seen as the start of a downward spiral toward conflict," said the Allensbach polling agency who conducted the survey for the Frankfurter Allgemeine newspaper.
Asked if they though Christianity and Islamic could co-exist peacefully, 61 per cent of those surveyed said they believed there would always be "major conflicts" between both faiths.
Some 91 per cent said they associated Islam with oppression of women, up from 85 per cent in 2004.
The statement that Islam was dominated by fanaticism was shared by 83 per cent, compared to 75 per cent two years ago, the poll showed.
A total of 71 per cent said Islam was intolerant, up from 66 per cent in 2004.
Asked if there should be a ban on the building of mosques in Germany as long as the building of churches in some Islamic states is forbidden, 56 per cent agreed, said the poll.
There is even considerable backing for ending Germany's constitutional right of freedom of religion with regard to Islam, the poll showed.
Asked if strict limits should be imposed on the practice of Islam in Germany to protect the country, 40 per cent said they would support such moves.
A total of 56 per cent said they believed "a clash of civilizations" had already begun, up from 46 per cent in 2004, the poll results showed.
Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.
"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."
Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."
The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special insignia to be worn by non-Muslims.
THE NEW HITLER,THIS ONE GIVES ME CHILLS (DRUDGE )
For those who wanted to give-up on Europe as dissipated whore-like dhimmi who are in total denial, look at those above numbers. If that poll is correct, the Germans are more aware of the faults and dangers of Islam than Americans.
As we know Europe faces a far more serious problem. They will rise to the occasion. Perhaps not soon enough but eventually their residual desire for self-preservation will kick in.
storagemanager-
do you have a link for that article?
here ya go.........http://www.drudgereport.com/
for GOD hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will and to agree and give their kingdom unto the beast (ISLAM).until the words of GOD shall be fulfilled.revelation 17:17......islam fills the bill....not all will hear this.
So anyone think that this will make the mainstream news?
Just ignore it and discuss the outrage of the Christian's over the DaVinci Code instead. That is SO much more important./
Could it be that at long last that the majority population of a large, advanced contemporary non-Muslim nation has come to recognize the totalitarian, political ideology that Islam really is? If so, then measures should be taken to declare Islam as such in order to marginalize it, control it, and hopefully eradicate it from the free world. De-Islamification in Germany must follow the same path as it did with de-Nazification.
It's good to see that the Master Race was able to catch a glimmer of the reality thing before being snuffed out by the Fast-Breed welfare recipients they so generously support.
China, Russia Pushing US-Israel Closer To Confrontation With Iran
May 19….(Bill Wilson) The refusal of China and Russia to take any kind of substantive United Nations Security Council action against Iran is actually pushing the United States and Israel ever closer to a military confrontation with Iran. Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad knows he does not have to bow to pressure from Europe and the United States because he has the undaunted support of China and Russia. China and Russia have consistently said they will not support any sanctions or military action against Iran. America’s Ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, has said that every discussion with Russia is difficult and every negotiation won is only after painstaking and often contentious debate. Evidence of this is found after Wednesday’s UN Security Council vote encouraging Syria to establish borders and diplomatic relations with Lebanon. The vote was unanimous except for Russia and China who abstained because they said it was “unnecessary meddling.”
http://focusonjerusalem.com/newsroom.html
The mainstream media is on a campaign to paint the German's as racist. Can't have any country trying to maintain their culture. Can we?/
FOJ Note: Just yesterday the US Congress voted to allow illegal aliens to be rewarded with American Social Security, and debated about whether or not the English language is the national language. I thought this was decided in 1776. The multiculturalism concept of the UN and the Social Globalists has rendered America as a multi-divided nation, and its timing is in congruence with the terrorist designs to destroy America. America’s hedges of protection are all about gone. FOJ has documented how the terrorists are using the porous borders with Mexico to infiltrate America to lie-in-wait for the next 9-11 call.
It is ironic that America today is sensing the need to construct a security wall along its southern border in the wake of its decades long policy of coercing Israel into compromising its covenanted land, and having to build security walls around its remaining land to keep out Palestinian terrorists! Could judgment be coming home to roost?
http://focusonjerusalem.com/newsroom.html
This is how the German PEOPLE see islam. What about the politicians?
Please forgive the copy/paste.
RD
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Why Iran wants War?
Ahmadinejad & Co. starring in Armageddon
By: Slater Bakhtavar
2006/05/17
“The Iranian nation will wipe the strain of regret on the foreheads of those
who want to bring about injustice”, President Ahmadinejad scorned at a
recent rally in the province of Zanjan . Iran “will cut off the hands of any
aggressor”, any attack would be met with a response that is double-fold
including suicide attacks across Europe and the United States , he warned.
“ Israel should be wiped off the map”, the predominately Jewish nation
“cannot survive” and is headed “towards extinction” quipped the fanatical
President.
If one were to listen to his rhetoric alone, even the most astute political
intellectuals would think Iran is a nation equipped with the most dangerous
military arsenal capable of challenging any nation. But Iran ’s rhetoric has
little to do with their outdated and dismal military, their fledging economy
or their detested government. The root of the government’s fiery tone may be
traced to their Shi’te ideology messianic belief in a mysterious, mystical
twelfth imam who ventured into hiding over a thousand years ago.
The Hidden Imam is a central concept in the teachings of Shi’te Islam. Born
Muhammad al-Mahdi he ventured into a cave in 941 AD hidden by a gate called the Gate of Occultation. The doctrine of Occultation professes Allah aided the cloaking of the Imam away from the eyes of man so that he could be kept alive until his return. Shi’tes believe that the Twelfth Imam will return to
lead the religious battle between good and evil when the world has become
consummately nefarious.
According to Shi’te orthodoxy humans may not force or hasten the return of
the Imam, but the Hojjateiehs a group of which Ahmadinejad is a member,
opine that humans may stir up chaos to encourage his return. With his
recent rhetoric vowing for the destruction of Israel, demanding deportation
of the Jews to Europe and denying the Holocaust that the President seems to
be doing just that. In fact, his messianic axiom of the Twelfth Imam and the
subsequent suppression of the forces of evil [modern day US, UK, Israel and
many other nations] is central to Ahmadinejad’s foreign policy. The Iranian
government’s official policy has undercut efforts of the international
community by rejecting a United Nations deadline to suspend Iran’s nuclear
program, threatening to quit the Non-Proliferation Treaty and vying that
“nothing can stop Iran’s path to nuclear technology.” In anticipation of a
stand off with the West Iran recently clinched agreements with eight
different Middle East insurgency groups to carry out suicide attacks against
Israeli, British and US interests across the world. Ironically this plan is
called ‘Judgment Day.’
During a private meeting with an Iranian cleric in November Ahmadinejad
claimed that while giving a speech before the United Nations he felt “the
atmosphere change and for 27 to 28 minutes the leaders did not blink” “they
were astonished.. it had opened their eyes and ears to the Islamic
Republic.” He further said that he felt the hand of God upon him as he
delivered his omniscient speech. In his egocentric fantasy world the Iranian
President likely sees himself as a deputy of the Imam with a divine mission
to encourage his arrival. His references to the Imam in conjunction with
threats to wipe countries off the face of earth should be taken seriously.
Foreign policy experts should examine the Islamic Republic from both a
political and religious perspective. To the clerical regime the return of
the Imam is not a mere possibility, but a surety. Their attitude towards the
international community seems to point at their preparation for that day.
International concerns aside, there are domestic reasons for the regimes
erratic behavior. After 27 years of executions, floggings, stoning,
oppression of political dissent, violation of women’s rights, oppression of
religious minorities, the largest brain drain in the world, rampant
prostitution, crime, drug use and mass unemployment the Islamic Republic is
domestically quite loathed. In fact, recent student polls show that close
to eighty five percent of the population supports fundamental democratic
changes in the regime. Iranian students have consistently poured into the
streets in pro-Democracy protests only to be violently suppressed, jailed,
tortured and often murdered. But, dictatorships can only oppress for so long
and it’s only a matter of time before Iran explodes in a pro-Western
democratic revolution. The regime knows that the only way they can leave
any kind of legacy is by invoking nationalistic pride by pushing the country
into another war and unlike the Iran-Iraq war this time they’re paving the
way for the return of the Twelfth Imam.
From challenging the world to enhancing Iran’s nuclear programs every issue
is implemented for the arrival of Mahdi. The Islamic Republic is not vying
for war because they’re too arrogant to understand they will be crushed.
They’re vying for war because they believe Mahdi will return to help them
defeat the United States and others who dare stand up to them. Ahamadinejad
and Company’s Armageddon may be coming to a theater near you and it’s
probably the scariest movie we’ll ever see unless we aggressively invest in
the overthrow of the regime before it’s debut appearance.
storagemanager,
Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.
That thread is on over on DW.
Posted by: western infidel ......this story should be all over the media....shout it from the rooftops!
Germans seem more concerned with Tom Cruise's cult than Islam.
Do people go chopping heads off after reading L Ron Hubbard?
Do people go chopping heads off after reading Mein Koran?
Guess which cult is banned in Deutchland?
I found nothing on the Wiesenthal Center site about an Iranian move to force non-Muslims to wear distinctive clothing. I am leary about anything from Drudge because they have been proven unreliable.
Iranian shopkeepers however are required to post their religious affiliation outside their businesses.
It's not a "conflict." It's Islamic aggression and external force historically and eventually needed to beat it back. Very simple.
Oh yeahhhhh, that's what it is, a "clash." Islam's not aggressive, surrrre, bridge for sale.
OT, but somewhat related to this article: I argue these things quite a bit at Deviantart, an artist's site. Very rarely do any of my threads last long: they are mostly ignored, except by those few who in the same mode of thought as myself. A great many focus on how bad Christianity is, how bad the US/Republicans are, how racist Europe is getting.....
However this bit about the new Iranian law is getting some good coverage. Maybe this is what is finally going to get some people's attention.
The Islamic Republic is too arrogant to understand they will be crushed.
Neither are these Moslems too arrogant nor are they arrogant at all. They are Moslems.
Now, the person who wrote the above statement must come to understand that arrogance is intrinsic is Islam. Please, call a spade a spade and call a Moslem a Moslem, not arrogant.
... recent student polls show that close to eighty five percent of the population supports fundamental democratic changes in the regime. Iranian students have consistently poured into the streets in pro-Democracy protests.
If these putative Moslem protesters in Iran are not calling for rejection of Islam, then this is a terribly naïve thing to say.
habnab, that article is a very good summary of Ahmadinejad's apocalyptic views. Except whe the article starts veering into the territory of "the Iranians are standing by with rose petals to toss on the coming U.S. liberators":
Iran may well explode, but I'm guessing the Middle East Experts (tm) will again be stumped when it doesn't quite turn into a "pro-Western democratic revolution". Every time the media starts to get it right about the danger posed by Islamic religious "extremists", they somehow feel obliged to then tell us it is only a "few extremists" holding the "vast majority of moderates" prisoner. It's a sacred assumption that must never be questioned.
"Dictatorships can only oppress for so long"; but dictatorships have oppressed for 1400 years in almost (hi, Israel) every country in the Middle East. Again there is the assumption that every culture on the planet shares the Western values of freedom, democracy, education, separation of church and state, etc. The influence of Islam and sharia were just a passing fancy for the Iranians (and Iraqis and Afghanis). We just need to click our ruby heels three times, close our eyes, and keep repeating the phrase "they all want to be just like us".
"A total of 56 per cent said they believed 'a clash of civilizations had already begun..."
-- from the article above
The phrase "clash of civilizations" misleads. For that "s" is an indefinite plural, and implies, for many, that there may be equally grave clashes between the various "civliziations" identified, for example, by Samuel Huntington (the phrase itself comes from Bernard Lewis), which implies that the Sinic, and the Orthodox, and the Catholic, and the Hindu, and the Muslim, and any others one cares to identify, are all somehow clashing each with each.
But they aren't. There is only one clash that has lasted through the last 1350 years, and it is the clash that comes from the ideology of Islam, inculcated into its Believers, whereby the world is divided between Believers and Infidels, Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb. That is not a "clash of civilizations." It is a permanent threat, posed by the belief-system of Islam, to all Infidels. A clear comprehension of the textual origins, as well as the instruments of Jihad, and of the full menace of that threat, should not be muddied by anecdotal evidence ("I have a close Muslim friend at work who says..."), by wishful thinking ("but surely if we all act as if it doesn't say what it says, then it won't matter, will it"?), by vanity (as in the case of Lewis, who for so long -- until last night, apparently -- was willing to belittle Bat Ye'or and others who saw things clearly, and who consistently failed to comprehend the entire question of the dhimmi, despite a book on Jews under Islam, and who, furthermore, was too desirous of not offending Muslim friends, patrons, and academic colleagues. Apparently Lewis, like Maxine Rodinson -- who at the end of his life was praising Ibn Warraq and Bat Ye'or, and like S. D. Goitein, who admitted in the introduction to "A Mediterranean Society" that he had had many of his cherished views comletely changed by his study of the Cairo Geniza material (including the crushing effect of the Jizyah) -- Lewis may, in his own way, have finally admitted that, as with Oslo, he was wrong, and as he did not do with Oslo, perhaps he is also now willing to admit that what he was wrong about was that the doctrines of Islam are immutable, and explain not only why the Oslo Accords were a farce and a fraud, but that the entire Light Unto the Muslim Nations campaign in Iraq, with which Lewis had a good deal to do. Did Bernard Lewis, in his talk yesterday, take note of his own 2002 prediction that the "liberation of Baghdad would make the liberation of Kabul seem like a funeral procession"? Did he take rueful note of that absurd thing he wrote with Woolsey proposing, without specifically naming, Prince Hassan as a conceivable Sunni monarch for a Shi'a-dominated Iraq? One would like some kind of owning up to these series of misunderstandings that all have the same explanation -- and it would be nice if Lewis were to do so publicly, and not in sessions for a select private audience.
And I think you will find these same negative perceptions growing across Europe. The Elite have started to see how the wind is blowing so they are starting to look at immigration. I think that in Germany someone is looking at the Quran in legal terms if it is against the German constitution. I hope that the Germans ban Islam, they could do, as Islam is a classic cult.
I am feeling happier and happier, immigration control gets passed in France and now this, the Elite can not ignore this now, its too damn big, though they will try.
Hugh, I'm puzzled. What talk did Lewis give where and what did he say exactly?
Yes, Hugh. Please confirm that Lewis is still in the land of the living. Some poster on a Lebanese blogsite -- Across the Bay -- claimed Lewis had recently died, but I could find no such news.
I agreed with Huntington's 'Clash of Civilizations' theory and used to go to blogs where like minded people discussed it. One poster said that he agreed with the theory, but, he said that this is a clash between Civilization and the uncivilized. I forget his name, but he was from the U.S. Mr. Huntington was bang on about all things, except for the uncivilized part. All the same, he is a visionary, he saw what was coming, said it, was ridiculed, and now stands triumphant.
Another "image problem" for Islam. And apparently they aren't savvy enough to know that the modern answer to an "image problem" is what one of my economics professors once called a "don't-hate-us commercial."
We've all seen 'em, like when the tobacco companies air commercials highlighting their charitable/community outreach activities. Cheesy piano soundtrack, footage of children playing... it's pretty standardized.
Big Tobacco could teach Big Islam a thing or two, and they have so much in common: Using both products as directed causes suffering and death.
Hugh,
What is important about Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" theory, is that it allows us to clearly define the lines between allies, neutrals and possible enemies in the war with Islam. We can not so easily count on the Orthodox to stride side by side with us against the Muslims as much as we might the Japanese, in my estimation. Why? Because the Orthodox have a long standing history of suspicion of the West and of the Catholic Church, while the Japanese, being their own unique culture and showing historically that they will act alongside or against any other nations dependent mainly on their logical assertion of national interests, AND being so deep in a mutual love affair with the United States (we love Godzilla and anime cartoons, they love our musicians and movies, etc.) today as a result of the end of WWII and how we have since treated each other, allows me to rest easily on that alliance when it is needed. But count on the Russians to not stab us in the back for oil or power? Heh.
But on the whole I agree that we should not allow ourselves to be mislead by notions of global conflict with nations like Russia and China, when we most certainly know that we have always been at war with Islam and are only now starting to realize it.
Robert Spencer wrote:
Why should Muslims who aren't committing acts of violence take any responsibility for this? Because Muslims who honestly condemn jihad terror should have no problem acknowledging that such acts of terror are the main reason why non-Muslims have a negative view on Islam. Consequently also they should recognize that only they can change such perceptions, by working against the jihad far more publicly and energetically, and in far larger numbers, than they have up to this point.
Robert,
I know full well by now that your clarity of thinking and diplomatic approach are fantastic strengths and I wish I had them on the level that you possess, but allow me to just say, that we all might as well strap tanks of laughing-gas to our backs and twist the valve every so often if we want to keep believing that Islam will ever reform itself.
Islam is never going to reform itself without the equivalent of the world stepping on its fingers, breaking its kneecaps and kicking in a few ribs. And even then it's not a sure bet. Islam is so deeply rooted in a culture of death-worship, that in my opinion it will be a threat to innocent life for as long as it exists on this planet. God help us if it sustains itself for another 1,000 years. If this cult ever projected itself of this world, well, we might turn to some good science fiction authors just to guess what the consequences might be for the nearby solar systems.
THAT is how sure I am that Islam is a virulent strain of ideology that can not fix itself. People do not like to think in finite terms and ultimates when it comes to human conflict, but we might very well be faced with a world war soon that will drive one side or the other to that very horrible conclusion. We know damn well that the worst of the Muslims would laugh with glee at our painful erradication at any price, so why should we continue to play this game like we are dealing with Monopoly money? We had better be prepared to play with knives, bullets and bombs. Islam already is.
Bang on Foehammer.
the way they think>>>>>Ayatollah Khamenei said that the mass media would have positive impacts on improving situation of the mankind and promoting international peace and security, but, they have become as tools in the hands of warmongers to ignite flames of war and promote a certain lifestyle in order to strip different nations of their cultural identity.
"The mass media should serve as a good venue for dialogue among nations in bilateral or multilateral forms to exchange views about culture, ethics and lofty humanitarian values," the Supreme Leader said.
Citing the example of "one-way propaganda of the international mass media", the Supreme Leader said that the international mass media are attributing "weapon production" to Iran's plan to produce nuclear energy, because they are working for the arms manufacturing companies and producers of destructive atomic bombs.
"They are spreading big lies every day. They do not reflect every day systematic genocide of defenseless Palestinians by the Zionist regime, but instead, they give full coverage if an explosion occurs and a few people get injured," Ayatollah Khamenei said.
DEFENSELESS SUCIDE BOMBERS FOR ALLAH!
The world ignored Hitler for many years; he was dismissed as a demagogue, they said he'd never come to power - and we were all wrong," he said.
Efraim Zuroff, the director of the Wiesenthal Center in Israel, said in response, “This is simply a catastrophe; it automatically bring one back to the Holocaust, and we do not need to remind the Israeli public that the yellow badges came just before the expulsion and extermination.
“There is no consolation in the fact that Christians are being labeled as well. The Iranian regime has completely lost its mind. The world cannot stand idly by, and I’m sure this development will place the Iranian issue at the top of the agenda during Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s visit to Washington,” he said.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3252830,00.html
Iran is the new Nazi order. Iran means "aryan". The Grand Mufti, Haj Amin Al Husseini, worked with Hitler and the Nazis to help control the Muslims in Lybia, Africa, and Persia. He later became the Grand Mufti of Palestine, and his nephew, whom he raised when the boy was orphaned, took control of Palestine after him. His nephew was Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini, beter known to the West as Yasser Arafat.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
http://www.answers.com/topic/amin-al-husayni
From the article:
There is even considerable backing for ending Germany's constitutional right of freedom of religion with regard to Islam, the poll showed.
That statement on its own is one of the most important things I have read in years.
We should adopt this policy here in the United States A.S.A.P. Will we? No, not yet, unfortunately. We need more innocent blood on our streets first.
(Sometimes I think it would be easier to live a life ignorant of facts and the ability to surmise the future based on them and history, but then I remember that the consequence of that would be having once more to endure the same feeling I had on 9/11, when the "veil" is suddenly ripped away a second time. I don't think I'd like to experience that surreal nausea twice, so I'll suffer with seeing clearly.)
A total of 56 per cent "of Germans" said they believed "a clash of civilizations" had already begun, up from 46 per cent in 2004, the poll results showed.
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The brain dead are finally becoming alive......
When will the european governments realize same and declare war on islam for their very survival????
thank you rush....its on his show...thank you
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Another "image problem" for Islam. And apparently they aren't savvy enough to know that the modern answer to an "image problem" is what one of my economics professors once called a "don't-hate-us commercial."
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Shinoliite - I dont know about the states but these ads have already started - I am sitting here watching CNN and the majority of ads are for Arab Airlines - Arab telecoms companies and Holidays in Arab countries such as the Egyptian Red Sea Riviera - you know that wonderful place where bombs go of and incinerate western tourist on a regular basis.
I have noticed more and more of them with smiling muslim faces and that "aren't we just like you " look.
It also probably explains the Pro Islamic - Pro Arab biased reporting on CNN - after all they are being bankrolled by the islamists now.
Instead of calling them suicide bombers, can't we all just call them what they are: mass murder?
Yes, in all fairness these mass murder bombers by having died in the act richly deserve their 72 peach-fuzz 11-yr old virgins. I'll give them that. Or, I mean that the koranic "god" will give them that. If they haven't finally run out of inventory, that is.
Btw, does a Moslima Mass Murder Bombers also get the 72 11-yr old virgins? And, if yes, are these 11-yr old virgins girls, boys, or scowling muftis?
George Will has said this is not a clash of civilizations, but a clash of epochs.
Islam is never going to reform itself without the equivalent of the world stepping on its fingers, breaking its kneecaps and kicking in a few ribs.
Posted by: Foehammer at May 19, 2006 12:46 PM
Amen to that Foehammer.
arjun.sevak:
check out memri.org for what Wafa Sultan, a Syrian born psychologist had to say on Al Jazeerah to a defender of Islam vis what we are witnessing today. She didn't care for the "clash of civilizations", and offered instead:
"The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete."
The video clip received over a million hits earlier this year:
http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1050
and here's a transcript in case the video file format doesn't work for you:
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP110706
Foehammer said
I sure agree with you on that. That is the sort of 180 degree change we need, from "Islam is the Religion of Peace" to "Islam is not a true religion". It is institutionalized violence, Arab supremecy, and political colonialism wrapped up in the sheeps' clothing of "religion". By their own religious book, Islam is incompatible with any government other than a theocracy that follows the literal interpretation of the Qur'an. That alone should be enough to remove it's protection as a "religion". The fact that it follows it up with justification for violence in order to replace the government with a theocracy just puts the exclamation mark on the proclamation.
if you live long enough, just about anything is possible...
The Germans and Jews could actually be seen on the same side in a future world conflict. Who woulda thunk it? Their leaders should become good friends.
This Iranian leader is to be believed. I think the western leaders should actually believe what he is saying, Hitler told the world what he intended to do, then the western pascifist leaders said, 'He doesn't actually mean it.' He did... So does this Iranian.
Bush, Blair, Harper... Believe him.
Report: Iran eyes badges for non-Muslims
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Harper: Iran clothing rules reminiscent of Nazis
Associated Press
Published: Friday, May 19, 2006
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2949b7ed-f9db-42da-8471-b6b6de9b615e&k=72143
OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper says news reports that Iran could require Jews and Christians to wear coloured labels in public might be true.
He says Iran's hardline Islamist government has proven itself capable of such extremism.
"Unfortunately, we've seen enough already from the Iranian regime to suggest that it is very capable of this kind of action," Harper said.
"We've seen a number of things from the Iranian regime that are along these lines.
"And the fact that such a measure could even be contemplated is absolutely abhorrent."
The National Post newspaper reported Friday that Iran's parliament has passed a law that would require Jews to wear yellow labels, and Christians red ones, on their clothing.
The law must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide," Ali Khamenehi, to come into effect, the newspaper said.
Harper said he could not vouch for the accuracy of the report. But if true, he said it would be a throwback to one of the most odious chapters in human history.
"It boggles the mind that any regime on the face of the Earth would want to do anything that could remind people of Nazi Germany," he said.
The report is a reminder that Iran must never be allowed to gain nuclear weapons, Harper said.
He made the remarks during a news conference with Australian Prime Minister John Howard. Both leaders said they could not confirm the reports.
"I haven't previously heard of that," Howard said in response to a question about the report.
"If that is true I would find that totally repugnant. It obviously echoes the most horrible period of genocide in the world's history -- the marking of Jewish people with a mark on their clothing by the Nazis."
Nazi Germany began requiring Jews to wear yellow stars on their clothing in the buildup to the Holocaust. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has described the Holocaust as a myth and has called for the destruction of the state of Israel.
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Canada, Australia concerned by reports Iran to tag non-Muslims
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060519/wl_canada_afp/iranrightsreligion
The Canadian and Australian prime ministers expressed concern at unconfirmed reports that said Iran may force non-Muslims to wear colored badges in public so they can be identified.
The National Post newspaper reported Friday, citing human rights groups, that Iran's parliament passed a law this week that sets a public dress code and requires non-Muslims to wear a special insignia.
Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear a yellow, red or blue strip of cloth, respectively, on the front of their clothes, according to the newspaper.
"Anything of that kind would be totally repugnant to civilized countries, if it's the case, and something that would just further indicate to me the nature of this regime," Australia's Prime Minister John Howard told reporters during an official visit to Ottawa.
"It would be appalling," he added.
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said he had "only seen reports" about the law but commented he would not be surprised by them.
"Unfortunately, we have seen enough already from the Iranian regime to suggest that it is very capable of this kind of action," he said.
"It think it boggles the mind that any regime on the face of the earth would want to do anything that could remind people of Nazi Germany," he added.
"The fact that such a measure could even be contemplated, I think, is absolutely abhorent."
Earlier, Harper's parliamentary secretary, Jason Kenney, told the House of Commons that Canadian officials were trying to verify the claims and said Ottawa is "deeply concerned".
"Should these reports turn out to be true, this government will condemn in the strongest terms possible this kind of revisiting of the darkest period of the last century. It is something that the entire civilized world should condemn," Kenney said.
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"Clash of epochs" is an appropriate term. I can not, however, use terms like "medieval," value-laden and prejudicial as it is, to describe these people. Rising to the level that "medieval" implies would be a vast improvement for those who ascribe to this primitive, atavistic mentality.
The sick thing about it is that the Islamists, like the Nazis, Bolsheviks, Maoists, Khmer Rouges (add whatever idolatous golden-calfish "ism" comes to mind)that preceded them, think they are doing right.
Remember, those who stuffed humans into the crematoria and ovens of Auschwitz, as well as those who shot and enslaved millions in Stalin's Russia, thought they were doing humanity a service. These ideologies had to be defeated on the battlefield or by economic strangulation.
As I watch this abyss open in front of us and begin to display the deep ugliness hidden within its bowels, I'm worried that the we may shortly not recognize our own world.
I told ya that every day that goes by the muslims are making islam hated in Europe like nothing has been hated since the Third Reich.
With these polls out, NOW do ya believe me.
So for all those out there saying Europe is through, done, stick a fork in it, snap out of it.
Sooner or later, and I'm inclined to believe much sooner than we expect, Europe is going to explode in fury at the policies of her elites, and impose draconian new laws on the movement of muslims into Europe.
Just watch and see.
Islam is creating its own resistance.
Until infidel populations repair their concepts and lexicon vis a vis Islam, the resistance scope of the resistance will be partial, the level of effort of the resistance will be half-assed, and the outcome of the resistance will at the outset be a partial failure, and ultimately a complete failure.
The latter (i.e., global Sharia) is IMHO attainable in as few as a hundred years from this year.
George will said this is a "clash of epochs".
Wafa Sultan said this is a "clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century".
I still think we need to give up the idea that the Islamic nations are just like us 1000 years ago. They are not following in our footsteps. There are important differences between the Judeo-Christian foundation of a society and the Islamic foundation of a society. It's not coincidence that we turned out as we did, and they turned out as they did.
In our belief structure, we learn and grow over time, correcting our mistakes as go along. Our values from the 16th century are very different from our values in the 21st century. And that is how it should be, within our belief structure.
Within their belief structure, there is no difference between the 16th century and the 21st century. There is only the immutable word of Allah as codified in the Qur'an. That won't change in the 22nd century, or the 42nd century. It tells them what to eat, how to go to the bathroom, how to bathe, pray, blow their nose in the morning, and dress themselves. Their madrasses teach one thing, memorizing the verses of the Qur'an. What need is there for science or medicine or skeptical inquiry?
Our fundamental mischaracterization of the situation is what leads us to our misguided paternal attempts to "modernize" and "uplift" the Afghanis and Iraqis (and possibly, soon the Iranians). They don't need or want our help (well, they want the money and food and weapons though, and if we're attacking their tribal enemies, they might see fit to assist us). We keep trying to save the "poor primitive child" in them.
Why can't anyone just admit they are different from us, their core beliefs mandate violence against us, they are a danger to us. Our societies are not mutually compatible. According to their holy book, they cannot be our "friends".
We don't need to help them, and we don't need to kill them. We just need to keep them from killing us.
Foehammer
Totally agree with you, but you would have known that anyway.
Why do I keep coming to the conclusion that mohammedans in general, and the Iranian regime in particular, are engaged in one giant attempted episode of "suicide by cop"?
Dan says:
"I told ya that every day that goes by the muslims are making islam hated in Europe like nothing has been hated since the Third Reich."
I personally am glad that amahdinnerjacket is setting himself up as the spokesperson for the RoP.
The world needs to see him up on the rooftop, shrieking and foaming at the mouth. Combine this with the fact that the 2 or 3 moderate muslims in the world do not condemn him only makes people in the USA and Europe wake up and smell the coffee that the winds of war are blowing stronger.
This latest outrageous act only drives another nail in the coffin of Islam.
My apologies for all the cliches in my last post.
OT ---
World faiths call conversion basic religious right
Is this a gauntlet being thrown at the feet of all Islamic countries with national policies disagreeing with "the basic religious right of conversion"?
Special, no, I don't concur entirely.
The only way we will get muslims to stop trying to kill us, and take over everything, is to kill so many of them, that they will never again indulge Arab/muslim supremacism.
I don't see how we can get beyond the problem of jihad and razzia, without inflicting upon them the brutal tutorial that we inflicted upon Japan and Germany.
Again, we are trying to extend towards islam/muslims a dispensation, an exemption, from the broad historical experiences of our past. And I doubt whether it will work.
I'm willing to give it a chance, thus my unabashed and unshaken support for the iraq gambit. And Amir Taheri has written a striking article detailing ALL THE SUCCESS, ALL THE GOOD news found in Iraq. And I hope that democracy takes, and slowly begins to alter islam within iraq, and then like a computer virus, spreads that alteration throughout the Arab world, then the wider islamic world.
I'm hopeful, and I'm willing to give that a chance, but that doesn't mean that the chance we are extending iraq, means that Europe needs to be entirely open to the demographic jihad.
Europeans are snapping out of it. At first, their opinions will be private, and only shared with those in their immeidate circles, those they trust. BUT INEXORABLY, those opinions are going to inform the public policy of European states, despite all the efforts of their suicidal elites, who are thoroughly post-modern, post-Christian and post-heroic.
There is good news out there, despite Jihad/Dhimmi Watch's determined refusal to report as much.
That intercepted letter in Iraq reported a week ago was good news.
Amir Taheri's article relates more good news.
These polling results ARE MORE GOOD NEWS.
Is it EVERYTHING we might like to see, of course not. BUT NONETHELESS, there is good news out there.
Why do I keep coming to the conclusion that mohammedans in general, and the Iranian regime in particular, are engaged in one giant attempted episode of "suicide by cop"?
Posted by: Eisenhund
Because they live in a 3rd world craphole, and want to die as martyrs so they can get their 72 virgin camels from allah(Phhhht).
I think it might be wise too, to adopt the term Mohammedan to describe muslims.
I think Eisenhund does that.
I think we should all adopt that.
I'm going to stop using the term muslim.
By using the term Mohammedan, it places the problem in greater historical context, and directs attention towards the original war lord himself. Which is helpful.
The Germans have already outlawed -against Hollywood protests- the cult of scientology. What stops them from outlawing the cult of Mohammedansim?
So far the Germans didn't experience anything comparable to 9/11 on their soil, (no Beslan, no Madrid, London or Bali 1&2 either) but with a Hamas "minister" illegally entering Germany via Sweden and then having the hide to show up at Merkles office to demand, (yes demand, not beg) for the jiziya, which in his mind is overdue and must be paid in order to avert such attacks, this visit must have come as quite a shock to Merkle, who was "vexed".
Germans generally seem to have a better understanding of politics, history is still taught without the rose-colored goggles of PC, not everywhere, but many Germans do smell the coffee and do inform themselves. Lets say they are not as apolitical as ..................(fill in the name of your preferred apolitical PC-ridden, Islam-infested country)
Germans also don't have this huge divide between Libs and Dems like in the US. The former interior minister Otto Schily was a leftie, but nevertheless made informed and responsible decisions. Almost unthinkable in USA today.
However, I do not believe at this stage that the Germans will be the first nation in Europe to debate the violent and hateful verses in the Koran in parliament (which would most likely result in outlawing the cult) but it is not impossible. Perhaps after a major attack on Germany by Hamas (or any other Islamic terror org.) they will.
One country has to start with internment and deportation, or call it "repatriation." Once that happens, others will follow.
And screw the useless EU pencil-pushers!
Dan says
"I think it might be wise too, to adopt the term Mohammedan to describe muslims. "
I agree. BTW when did mOslems become mUslims? Growing up, they were always moslems. Just curious ... Hugh?
Iran eyes badges for Jews
Law would require non-Muslim insignia
Chris Wattie
National Post
Friday, May 19, 2006
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=11fbf4a8-282a-4d18-954f-546709b1240f&k=32073
Jews were made to wear stars to identify them in Nazi Germany.
Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.
"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."
Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."
The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special insignia to be worn by non-Muslims.
Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews would have to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth.
"There's no reason to believe they won't pass this," said Rabbi Hier. "It will certainly pass unless there's some sort of international outcry over this."
Bernie Farber, the chief executive of the Canadian Jewish Congress, said he was "stunned" by the measure. "We thought this had gone the way of the dodo bird, but clearly in Iran everything old and bad is new again," he said. "It's state-sponsored religious discrimination."
Ali Behroozian, an Iranian exile living in Toronto, said the law could come into force as early as next year.
It would make religious minorities immediately identifiable and allow Muslims to avoid contact with non-Muslims.
Mr. Behroozian said it will make life even more difficult for Iran's small pockets of Jewish, Christian and other religious minorities -- the country is overwhelmingly Shi'ite Muslim. "They have all been persecuted for a while, but these new dress rules are going to make things worse for them," he said.
The new law was drafted two years ago, but was stuck in the Iranian parliament until recently when it was revived at the behest of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
A spokesman for the Iranian Embassy in Ottawa refused to comment on the measures. "This is nothing to do with anything here," said a press secretary who identified himself as Mr. Gharmani.
"We are not here to answer such questions."
The Simon Wiesenthal Centre has written to Kofi Annan, the Secretary-General of the United Nations, protesting the Iranian law and calling on the international community to bring pressure on Iran to drop the measure.
"The world should not ignore this," said Rabbi Hier. "The world ignored Hitler for many years -- he was dismissed as a demagogue, they said he'd never come to power -- and we were all wrong."
Mr. Farber said Canada and other nations should take action to isolate Mr. Ahmadinejad in light of the new law, which he called "chilling," and his previous string of anti-Semitic statements.
"There are some very frightening parallels here," he said. "It's time to start considering how we're going to deal with this person."
Mr. Ahmadinejad has repeatedly described the Holocaust as a myth and earlier this year announced Iran would host a conference to re-examine the history of the Nazis' "Final Solution."
He has caused international outrage by publicly calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."
Iran does not yet have nuclear weapons, but Tehran believed by Western nations to be developing its own nuclear military capability, in defiance of international protocols and peace treaties.
The United States, France and Israel accuse Iran of using a civilian nuclear program to secretly build a weapon. Iran denies this, saying its program is confined to generating electricity.
cwattie@nationalpost.com
It's very good news that the German people are waking up to the Mohammedist threat. Hopefully that will continue to spread across Europe.
Of course it's that evil Western media, not the countless atrocities the Mohammedists inflict on themselves and Infidels, that's responsible. Or at least that's what the apologists would say.
However, as the Mohammedists continue to inflict their horrors on the world, it's going to be harder and harder for their apologists to cover for them. Eventually, it will get so bad even the most clueless and in denial dhimmi will have no choice but to confront the truth.
realize that this comparison is by no means the best, but there is no way to know which is better, the Bible or the Quran, unless we taste the words. We do not have to swallow them, just taste and decide whether we want to swallow or reject. One day a great desire in my heart caused me to open the Bible and compare it with the Quran, I set them side by side and started to study. The study lasted many months, as God overwhelmed me with His truth.
I vowed not to stop until a found out if they are really equal when weighed side by side on the scientific scale. It was the only way... to take the Bible Challenge. I have documented all I learned from this experience, which I am forwarding to you. I urge you to take the Bible Challenge.
Note: Try to respond to the questions presented here, they all end with "?" in bold. These are questions directed to you. If you are able to answer them, then indeed you have faith based on facts. Please send the answers back to me. I will be waiting patiently for your response.
realize that this comparison is by no means the best, but there is no way to know which is better, the Bible or the Quran, unless we taste the words. We do not have to swallow them, just taste and decide whether we want to swallow or reject. One day a great desire in my heart caused me to open the Bible and compare it with the Quran, I set them side by side and started to study. The study lasted many months, as God overwhelmed me with His truth.
I vowed not to stop until a found out if they are really equal when weighed side by side on the scientific scale. It was the only way... to take the Bible Challenge. I have documented all I learned from this experience, which I am forwarding to you. I urge you to take the Bible Challenge.
Note: Try to respond to the questions presented here, they all end with "?" in bold. These are questions directed to you. If you are able to answer them, then indeed you have faith based on facts. Please send the answers back to me. I will be waiting patiently for your response.
realize that this comparison is by no means the best, but there is no way to know which is better, the Bible or the Quran, unless we taste the words. We do not have to swallow them, just taste and decide whether we want to swallow or reject. One day a great desire in my heart caused me to open the Bible and compare it with the Quran, I set them side by side and started to study. The study lasted many months, as God overwhelmed me with His truth.
I vowed not to stop until a found out if they are really equal when weighed side by side on the scientific scale. It was the only way... to take the Bible Challenge. I have documented all I learned from this experience, which I am forwarding to you. I urge you to take the Bible Challenge.
Note: Try to respond to the questions presented here, they all end with "?" in bold. These are questions directed to you. If you are able to answer them, then indeed you have faith based on facts. Please send the answers back to me. I will be waiting patiently for your response.
realize that this comparison is by no means the best, but there is no way to know which is better, the Bible or the Quran, unless we taste the words. We do not have to swallow them, just taste and decide whether we want to swallow or reject. One day a great desire in my heart caused me to open the Bible and compare it with the Quran, I set them side by side and started to study. The study lasted many months, as God overwhelmed me with His truth.
I vowed not to stop until a found out if they are really equal when weighed side by side on the scientific scale. It was the only way... to take the Bible Challenge. I have documented all I learned from this experience, which I am forwarding to you. I urge you to take the Bible Challenge.
Note: Try to respond to the questions presented here, they all end with "?" in bold. These are questions directed to you. If you are able to answer them, then indeed you have faith based on facts. Please send the answers back to me. I will be waiting patiently for your response.
WALID
http://www.behindthebadge.net/apologetics/abrahamicfaith.html
storagemanager...
???
And doesn't the Koran specify that christians and Jews must wear colours to identify them. This should be publicised as well.
storagemanager - sounds like you're stuttering - why the repeat posts?
OT,but does anybody remember what Vasalam Ala Man Ataba’al hoda means?it was the last thing of the letter sent to bush.I am sending the letter to my friends,and want to tell them what that means.
Patriot4-- according to the New York Sun, it means "Peace only unto those who follow the true path."
http://www.nysun.com/article/32594
thanks
Foehammer, you mentioned about science fiction writers writing about a future world where Islam dominated the culture. I think that idea was explored in Frank Herbet's "Dune" series some 35 years ago.
The State Department said Friday it is concerned about reports that Iran's parliament is considering legislation to require non-Muslims in the country to wear badges.
Spokesman Sean McCormack said any such measure would be "despicable" and carry "clear echoes of Germany under Hitler."
US government statistics indicate that 98 percent of Iranians are Islamic. Other faiths are Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian, and Baha'i.
McCormack said he could not comment further because the precise nature of the proposal is unclear.
"I don't have all the facts," he said.
NEWS FLASH:::AMERICA TO GIVE IRAN A TIME OUT!
the link was the whole thing...my search for truth..one mans journey thru islam to the bible..great story..i love that.
Storage Manager:
I'm no biblical scholar, but:
The Mahdi comes in the midst of trouble and reigns for 7 years.
Isn't that the period of the Tribulation?
Makes one think, huh?
As for the Germans... my ancestors escaped Nazi Germany and fled for the USA. I have a trunk FULL of Nazi memorabilia from the 30's and 40's including badges, insignias, passports, photographs, etc. I keep it in my garage in a big blue box labeled "pandora's box".
Perhaps this is what Iran seeks to open.
Beilin: Israel must act to evacuate Jews from Iran
By JPOST.COM STAFF
Responding to news from Iran, Meretz Chairman Yossi Beilin said, "Israel could no longer be satisfied with warnings, and that the moment Jews are forced to wear the yellow band, Israel must act to evacuate all Jews from Iran."
He added that, "Israel must stand at the forefront of efforts to separate Iran's crazy and Hitlerite regime from government control."
AMEN
payingattention:
Ah, you know your sci-fi. Correct. The Fremen of DUNE were definitely molded to some degree around Islamic teachings and Arabic culture. However, it was by no means a true reflection of Islam: you could actually trust the word of a Fremen and they didn't treat their women like cattle. Oh, and the Fremen were the greatest fighters in Herbert's Universe -- we know that they couldn't possibly be Muslims, just from that alone.
Storemanager,
The Quran does not require non-Muslims to wear identifying marks. This was a requirement of the Pact of Umar and was required throughout much of Islam's history.
In the Land of Israel Jews were required at one time to wear large images of golden calfs around their necks, while Christians had to wear bells so Allah's minions would know from a distance a non-believer was approaching. The rules varied according to time and place.
: DesertDawgN29....sorry..i fail to understand the differance....they are still treated as slaves......islam is evil....thats all i need to know.
sexkafira1 wrote:I'm no biblical scholar, but:
The Mahdi comes in the midst of trouble and reigns for 7 years.
Isn't that the period of the Tribulation?
Makes one think, huh?
yes....it makes me think alot.
666 is comin up(06/06/06)We were allready served our declaration of war.
On the original story itself, I stand corrected in my past perceptions of Europeans as completely myopic in terms of the threat posed by Jihad (as suggested by support of Palestinians against Israel, opposition to Iraq being invaded in the first place, et al). At least as far as the Deutschers are concerned. As (and if) more such evidence trickles in from Britain, France, Sweden, Greece, Spain, et al, I'll be just as willing to stand corrected.
The positive side of this is that Mohammedan protestations about "the tiny minority of extremists" is not likely to do squat to alter that opinion.
P.S. Why are all the posts about Iranian infidels wearing Nazi-era reminiescent badges appearing here, when there is the separate thread on D/W dedicated to just that?
SexyKafira,
If you donate this memorabilia to your university, even including Brandeis, look over your shoulder:
1) The Nomenklatura discover the box containing your donation in the basement of the library.
2) Enraged, they pressure the Student Council to bring you up on charges for the felony hate crime of Islamophobia.
3) The Student Council accedes, and pays a visiting professor, a Goyische professor from Andover, to sit as judge.
4) The Star Chamber convenes with Alan Dershowitz serving as the lead prosecutor, and in a matter of hours you're convicted and sentenced to the Massachussetts State Women's Prison to pull 10 yrs.
5) The Nomenklatura then stage a ritualistic burning of your parent's memorabilia. They even burn the musty cardboard box.
6) Kumbaya around the bonfire, Moslem students ululate, Liberals (i.e., Marxists) chant slogans, all the Jews apologize, and the Skinheads hit on the foxy young Jewish chicks with considerable success.
Makes sense? Be careful.
9-11 was my wake up call.i started with books by robert.then the koran and the bible...now i read the bible for my soul...and the koran to know my enemy.
Dichter: He who forces Jews to wear ribbons will die
Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter said in response to the reports regarding Iran’s plan to obligate minority members wear colored badges that, “he who will force Jews, wherever they may be, to wear yellow badges will eventually find himself in a casket covered in black cloth.”
I don't like to beat a dead horse but...
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/camps.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19196947-1702,00.html
It's early Downunder, but I just saw this. Ihave no idea if it is accurate, or just a ploy.
This story is from our news.com.au network Source: AFP
Jewish MP denies Iran badge plan
From correspondents in Tehran
May 20, 2006
IRAN'S only Jewish MP strongly denied reports in a Canadian newspaper overnight that Iran may force non-Muslims to wear coloured badges in public so they can be identified.
"This report is a complete fabrication and is totally false," Maurice Motammed said in Tehran. "It is a lie, and the people who invented it wanted to make political gain" by doing so.
The National Post newspaper quoted human rights groups as saying that Iran's parliament passed a law this week setting a public dress code and requiring non-Muslims to wear special insignia.
Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear a yellow, red or blue strip of cloth, respectively, on the front of their clothes, it said.
Mr Motammed said he had been present in parliament when a bill to promote "an Iranian and Islamic style of dress for women" was voted. "In the law, there is no mention of religious minorities," he added.
MPs representing Iran's Jewish, Christian and Zoroastrian minorities sit on all parliamentary committees, particularly the cultural one, he said.
"This is an insult to the Iranian people and to religious minorities in Iran," he said.
Australian Prime Minister John Howard said overnight, during an official visit to Ottawa, that "anything of that kind would be totally repugnant to civilised countries, if it's the case, and something that would just further indicate to me the nature of this regime. It would be appalling."
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said he had only seen reports about the law but that he would not be surprised by them.
"Unfortunately, we have seen enough already from the Iranian regime to suggest that it is very capable of this kind of action," he said.
"It think it boggles the mind that any regime on the face of the earth would want to do anything that could remind people of Nazi Germany," he added.
"The fact that such a measure could even be contemplated, I think, is absolutely abhorrent."
Harper's parliamentary secretary, Jason Kenney, told the House of Commons that Canadian officials were trying to verify the claims.
Dan (no, the other Dan) said
Really? Actually I think I agree with you on almost all of what you've written, nice posts by the way. But what the hay, I can try to find something to disagree about.
That is the WWII model, but as Hugh pointed out, there is also the Cold War model, the isolate-and-disengage model. Stop giving them financial assistance, stop trying to build them a brand new country in Iraq and Afghanistan. Stop allowing Mohammadans (like it?) into sensitive government positions. Stop allowing immigration. Remove religious protections for "religions" that advocate violence. Resisting the jihad is not all about blowing things up.
Actually, I agree with you on that, that the isolate-and-disengage model will eventually prove insufficient, and more direct action will be required. But there is no hurry, they will make it clear enough to everyone eventually.
You stumped me there. I'm all for the (false) optimism of the flowering emergence of a "moderate" Islam too, just as I hope I will win the lottery. It could happen. But why do we have to be in Iraq for that to happen? If the "vast majority of moderates" are going to take back their Religion of Peace from the "few extremists", why can't they just do it themselves? Nobody held the hands of the American Revolutionaries when they decided to create a free society (well, France helped a little, but..). Why do we have to spend our money and lives, when the Iraqis and Afghans just chose to include Sharia in their constitution anyways? I'm all for "hope" for a new Islam, but not one penny to pay for it.
Must be a short article.
Bingo. We've got it bass ackward. dms said it best: we are over in the middle east trying to replace sharia law with democracy while muslims are in the united states trying to replace democracy with sharia law. Instead of protecting ourselves from the dangers of jihad, we are leaving ourselves open (UAE ports deal, open borders, open immigration, Islam protected as a religion) while spending all our money and resources in Iraq. Why not let the Iraqis make their own democracy, while we protect our own democracy? Everybody happy happy.
mamoood is waiting for his demon.i dont doubt anything iran says or does...
patriot4 -
I'm a little confused by your last post...what does 666 have to do with 911 as you see it?
Isn't it deliciously ironic that Hitler outdid himself to get rid of the Jewish population (a semitic race), and tried to "breed" the perfect Aryan race, and now his adopted country, Germany, is swamped with muslims, most of whom are also a semitic race?
Yet again, the hippocrisy is amazing!
666 is comin up(06/06/06)We were allready served our declaration of war.
Sorry if i made ya think it had anything to do with 9/11.wasnt trying to.
The Mahdi comes in the midst of trouble and reigns for 7 years.
Isn't that the period of the Tribulation?
Makes one think, huh?
yes....it makes me think alot.
i was just thinking about that too.We got the required letter from iran before a miltary operation,and 666(06/06/06)is comin up,it would make sense that the devil(iran,and the rest of the islamic world)would use that date to start that period.
A cheery Islamic montage just to show why the west may have some reservations about their Mohammedan guests.
Enjoy!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-521503032546496626&q=Islamic+bomb
Article from American daily, worth a read.
http://americandaily.com/article/13604
MR. LEWIS: I am inclined to believe in the sincerity of Ahmadinejad. I think that he really believes the apocalyptic language that he is using. Remember that Muslims, like Christians and Jews, have a sort of end-of-time scenario in which a Messianic figure will appear. In their case, in the case of the Shiites, the hidden imam who will emerge from hiding, who will fight against the powers of evil, the anti-Christ in Christianity, Gog and Magog in Judaism, and the Dajjal in Islam, a role in which we are being cast now. And he really seems to believe that the apocalyptic age has come, that this is the final struggle that will lead to the final victory and the establishment of the kingdom of heaven on earth.
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
Oops - I thought you were talking about 911 - thanks for clearing up my confusion.
think it is a dangerous situation. And my only hope is that they are not right in their interpretation of the Western world. I have often thought in recently years of World War II — you were told earlier that I’m ancient myself. The most vividly remembered year of my life was the year 1940. And more recently I have been thinking of 1938 rather than of 1940. We seem to be in the mode of Chamberlain and Munich rather than of Churchill.
SOMEONE HAS THE GUTS TO ADMIT IT...THE EVE OF WORLD WAR 4...GOD BLESS ISRAEL
storagemanager -
Yes - you make a good point. All three major religions do share similar end-time scenarios. The only "key" difference between them is that Ahmad wants to get things underway himself; unlike Christians and Jews who aren't trying to pick a fight.
I am not so sure about "666" as in the the Bible.
Recent interpretations suggest the Apocalypse referred to the end of the Roman Empire.
This number which is derived from a Hebrew numerical-alphabet system,,forgot the name of it,,, actually translates into "Nero". They went on to say the number was really "616", as it also came up in other documents, which translates into "Caligula".
The Romans back then had just established emperor worship and had put a statue of Caligula in the Jewish temple which of course was abbhorent to the locals.(Caligula being one of the most depraved persons ever to walk the planet).
I really think "Revelations" has contemporary references. It makes sense. Back then hardly anyone new about the rest of the world as a lot of it had not been discovered!
I am trying not to worry about June 6th!
champ wrote…
All three major religions…
That’s if you count people who kill for no other reason but for the satisfaction of their "GOD"?
Excuse me but I can only say W?T?F?
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Alright storagemanager...
You want to hurl quotes...
Genesis 18:25
Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
Gen 19:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
Exodus 19:24
24 The LORD replied, "Go down and bring Aaron up with you. But the priests and the people must not force their way through to come up to the LORD, or he will break out against them."
Joshua 7
1 But the Israelites acted unfaithfully in regard to the devoted things [a] ; Achan son of Carmi, the son of Zimri, [b] the son of Zerah, of the tribe of Judah, took some of them. So the LORD's anger burned against Israel.
Thus saith the LORD, Where [is] the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors [is it] to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.
Isa 50:2 Wherefore, when I came, [was there] no man? when I called, [was there] none to answer? Is my hand shortened at all, that it cannot redeem? or have I no power to deliver? behold, at my rebuke I dry up the sea, I make the rivers a wilderness: their fish stinketh, because [there is] no water, and dieth for thirst.
Isa 50:3 I clothe the heavens with blackness, and I make sackcloth their covering.
god will save israel,but for his sake
Why can't anyone just admit they (the mos)are different from us, their (the mos) core beliefs mandate violence against us, they (the mos) are a danger to us. Our societies are not mutually compatible. According to their (the mos) holy book, they (the mos) cannot be our "friends".
We don't need to help them, and we don't need to kill them. We just need to keep them from killing us.
Posted by: special_guest at May 19, 2006 02:53 PM
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And many wonder why God had the Jews to wipe out whole citi-states..
We just need to keep them from killing us.
We had better get busy on this one.
Genesis 32:28
Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."
What a way to spend Friday night...EH...?
champ.....my point is...only the BIBLE is the word of GOD.sometimes one must speak only truth.
tgusa...lol
Texican,
We know who they,them are...LOL
guys...the anti-christ will have a book that mirrors GODS....with minor changes as to who gets the worship...get my point.
Yeah
They can also blow smoke up my A!s and tell me i'm on fire!
i guess they could..dont why they would..but they could..lol
Let's not count on too many miracles from the God of the Bible.
Lately they have been in short supply.(Like 2000 years or even much more?)
"God helps those who help themselves" seems more realistic to me.
I have no idea what we can really do. I don't think our politicians have any idea either.
I think the "mo's" are smarter than I first thought,,especially on the subject of conquest.
storagemanager -
I agree with you -- the Bible IS the word of God and truth combined. I was simply commenting on the fact that you repeated yourself four times on one of your posts -- I guess you were driving the point home.
Let's not count on too many miracles from the God of the Bible.
Never count on anyone but yourself...
God helps those who help themselves" seems more realistic to me.
Not in the bible...
I have no idea what we can really do.
You are doing it... KEEP IT UP!
I think the "mo's" are smarter...
Not a chance, PLUS we are 1000 time's more vicious.
"Should these reports turn out to be true, this government will condemn in the strongest terms possible this kind of revisiting of the darkest period of the last century. It is something that the entire civilized world should condemn," Kenney said.
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Hitler and Germany were condemned and condemned and negotiated with and negotiated with until WWII was the result.
The civilized western nations can stop the conflagration of WWIII if the civilized nations destroy iran's capabilities to wage war. Do not bet on the civilized nations to do what is required to save the world. Iran will use nukes as soon as Iran has more than one.
America is threatened by mos and by the illegal mexicans in America.
mexico has a 10 to 15 plus million man army in America. mexico has armed troops along the American border. The problems looming in mexico from corruption, poverty, intense national loyalty (Remember the sea of mexican flags during the first protests in America?) is driving a fever of loyalty by the mexican leaders, military and common mexican to take back the Southwest from America even if it takes war. The mexicans think that this will solve all of their problems.
America will be fighting two war fronts, one at home and one overseas.
are you frightened yet???????? if you really want to be frightened, read the Bible and see all of the signs that are appearing across the world.
Total global war is coming and we Americans will be fighting for our very survival in America………….
Are you prepared?
Are you armed?
Are you ready?
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
Just how free do you truely feel as each day passes????
gramfan wrote:Lately they have been in short supply.(Like 2000 years or even much more?)
my answer...yes...but now we are at the end of the book.
They can also blow smoke up my A!s and tell me i'm on fire!
Posted by: tgusa at May 19, 2006 07:52 PM
if the smoke is hot enough, you will burn.
JESUS came and i am free....i am not scared...but i refuse to be a slave...i will not submit to the moooslems.
As I have lived my life until this point, and forever more...
Better dead than red.
Death before dishonor.
I have nothing to fear but fear itself.
Am I afraid ... Yes ...
Is fear a reason to quit? No...
As a great man once said... I have not yet begun to fight.
John Paul Jones, Captian USN.
tgusa -
Dude -- are you high? Do us all a favor and speak only when spoken to, as I was talking to storagemanager -- not you!
And you may want to eliminate the scripture references from your posts, because not only are your scripture choices "Huh???" in nature, but you sound foolish quoting scripture and swearing all in one breath. Capiche!
"If this cult ever projected itself of this world, well, we might turn to some good science fiction authors ..."
@Foehammer ( and others of course) : if you are interested in science fiction, you should read this:
http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message/2006_04.htm
Its disturbing. It's fiction of course. But in my opinion it is GREAT.
Concerning the poll in Germany: I was surprisesd (and pleased) too. But this is only the normal people. Our politicians and media are the same as in.... ( put in the blanks any Dhimmi-country) and they worry about this poll and are slightly indignent about their stubborn people. Probably there will be a great media campaign "Islam means peace" in the next weeks.
Internet is the way we, who are pro America, pro Israel and knowing about the threat by Islam, can try to inform our fellow citizens. We keep on doing so.
I like reading her, for it's a good feeling to see, that we are not alone :)
wake up syria..i know some of you hate this stuff..but o well..(Isaiah 17:1 ESV) An oracle concerning Damascus. Behold, Damascus will cease to be a city and will become a heap of ruins.
(Isaiah 17:1 JPS) The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
(Isaiah 17:1 NIV) An oracle concerning Damascus: "See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins.
Looking at these three different translations, we see the prophecy is not only about the destruction of Damascus, but the thorough dissolution of its status as a city. Its "cityhood" will be taken away. After this oracle is fulfilled, there will never be a city called Damascus again. If Isaiah had only said "Damascus will be destroyed", then presumably, it could be rebuilt. But the impact is stronger than that. "Damascus will be negated from being a city." (Stone Edition Tanach)
champ fo
storagemanager -
Yes - you make a good point. All three major religions do share similar end-time scenarios. The only "key" difference between them is that Ahmad wants to get things underway himself; unlike Christians and Jews who aren't trying to pick a fight.
Posted by: champ at May 19, 2006 06:46 PM
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The revelation is that this fight includes all three, Christians and Jews against the mos and the mos will drive the start of the war.
Eisvogel wrote...
Internet is the way we, who are pro America, pro Israel and...EVERYBODY ELSE BUT MO'S/THEM WELCOME!!!
Texican...
what do you think it is going to the to wake this nation up? A-bomb? I hope not. But it might be the only thing that will.
to the to wake
take to wake
Ahmadinejad is going to be a nuclear Hitler.
Texican -
I completely agree with you, and that was the point I was trying to make earlier; and I sincerely believe that the war with Iran that's on the horizon is the one spoken of in the book of The Revelation. What do you think?
we are close..you guys may like this site also..http://focusonjerusalem.com/
DaveMate wrote...
Ahmadinejad is going to be a nuclear Hitler...
Does that mean he will eventually burrow underground to escape the marauders and finally blow himself up in a suicidal rage?
Eisvogel:
That link to one of Dan Simmon's fictional journal entries -- thank you for that! It just so happens that Dan Simmon's is one of my favorite authors. That entry was made in APRIL, 2006!!
I would have to venture to say, considering he understands clearly what is going on, on a level that is so near and dear to what we discuss here in Jihad Watch, that Mr. Simmons might very well BE a JW reader!
For Robert Spencer: if I might make a suggestion -- you should contact Dan Simmons. This fellow is such a talented writer, a genius I'd have to say, that to have him in the court of the anti-jihad would be one hell of an ally to possess.
It's no small irony that he mentions Thucydides in this story either. Dan Simmons knows how to construct a believable "what if" because that's his specialty -- time travel. (If you'd like to see for yourself, go pick up the Hyperion series at your local bookseller.)
This link is going into my blog for sure. This is a very important piece of writing. At the end of the story, Simmons even gives a bibliography of his readin:
(Note: Books commented on in this essay include – The Peloponnesian War by Donald Kagan, The Book of War: 25 Centuries of Great War Writing edited by John Keegan, While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam Is Destroying the West from Within by Bruce Bawer, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of the World Order by Samuel P. Huntington, Civilization and Its Enemies: The Next Stage of History by Lee Harris, The Shield of Achilles: War, Peace, and the Course of History by Philip Bobbit, and Replay by Ken Grimwood.)
Wow. The truth really IS spreading. We might win this damn war yet.
storagemanager ...this site ...
There are so many views out there, and I have my own particular view of GOD and Religion that I must say is an ever/learning/growing Tree of knowledge. I never discount any idea without giving it ample thought. Knowing all of what I know, I have to wonder with disgust, why would any sane man want to go over to the dark side?
And he eludes to something more powerful --- Simmons might be writing an anti-dhimmi work that he believes is going to alarm and anger the Muslims, one that will put his life in danger! If this proves true -- well, again, it's all the more reason that Spencer and Fitzgerald should meet Simmons. We are all in this together, afterall.
The war starts with either Israel or the US destroying facilities across iran. Israel nukes every mo military base in the mideast.
During this time, the mos in America will set off nukes in America to stop any efforts that America can mount in the mid-east and Europe. The mos and a large portion of foreigners are then eliminated in America.
Mexico invades the Southwest. A short and bloody war is waged and the mexicans are driven into the interior of mexico. mexican military bases and all Mexican cities along the borders are destroyed. A permanent no-mans land is created along the American mexican border.
American troops in iraq and afghan are left to fight their way to Israel. Miles wide trail of death and destruction is left in the wake of the drive of the American troops to Israel. No quarter is given or taken.
India and pakistan trade nukes and the paks are essentially destroyed and India is severely damaged. The paks and India fight across their borders.
The mos try to burn the cities of Europe top the ground. The Europeans fight back with slaughter across Europe. Russia tries to invade Europe and the nukes fly and Europe and Russia are essentially destroyed.
China takes Taiwan, Korea and Japan and send armies across asia but leaves India alone for India has told china nukes are waiting for china if you attack India.
The America nukes China's military bases, ports, major cities of production. The west coast of America ceases to be.
The federal government tries to declare marshal law and American citizens and a large portion of the military fight to remain free.
china marches into the mideast, only Israel and the few remaining American troops remain. War is raging. The US doomsday subs (US subs not involved in the main war to finish destroying any nation that has nuked America.) arrive at the mideast and nuke the chinese army and finishes destroying china’s war machine in china.
Not much left, but those left are still free……
sin leads to darkness...darkness to death....as the lord said...all who hate me...love death.
Texican...
what do you think it is going to the to wake this nation up? A-bomb? I hope not. But it might be the only thing that will.
Posted by: tgusa at May 19, 2006 08:52 PM
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The left and political correctness will not allow America to wake up unitl nukes go off.
Just look at the 10 to 20 million illegals (mexican army) that are in America that have no loyalty to America.
And having now clicked on his next entry, this one is even more important, I have a feeling, but I'm still reading it:
http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message/2006_05.htm
I don't know about any of you but I'm getting sick of all this religious crap. I thought this site was to educate us on obtaining intellectual perspective on the Islamic cancer that's seeking to destroy us. We read good news about our cultural bretheren in Germany and then we suddenly get infested with unrelated bullshit that develops into biblical quotations. Some of you aren't far off from the Moslem fanatics with your religious lunacy. Find more good news. What are our kinsmen the Danes doing, who are the widest awake of all Europeans? Listen to Nick Griffin in England and the progress of his British National Party against all odds. Find good news from our comrads in France who are battling in the belly of the enemy. In know the Mad Man of Iran is our enemy not becaue he's tied to any Christian dogma in the bible by his actions but because his actions, his idealogy seeks my destruction. It's got nothing to do with Christian mythology. Can't we stick to the discussion of the particular topic on hand? Sorry, I have a general mistrust of religious people. Maybe that's why I'm so alarmed at the Islamists.
Texican -
My husband and I follow Hal Lindsey's end-time scenarios -- have you heard of him? Your post sounds very similar to Hal's future outline.
What's amazing is that each and every key country mentioned in the Bible, are also found in today's headlines.
What is it you always say...get ready!!
Briars....this is a religious war.....but dont worry..christians and jews dont behead anyone.islam is full of hate.the bible is not.its really that simple.
i read Hal Lindsey,among others.
"What are our kinsmen the Danes..."
-- from a posting above
And what of the others across those seas, friends to this ground, and liegemen to those Danes?
Texican...
Holy s...t!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WW3
When I was a kid it was the Russians sweeping across Europe in monstrous waves of tanks and Bolsheviks with a small force of anti tank teams being purposefully overrun in Germany as the soviet army advances to the English Channel. All Americans across Europe are instructed to carry out sabotage until the full force of the American War Machine is fully engaged. After that you and I both know the outcome.
As someone here once remarked
"DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLAH"!
Briars - Warning!! You may not want to read my message to storagemanager :-)
storagemanager -
I know, who hasn't heard of Hal Lindsey. Hal used to pastor a church that my husband and I attended about 10 years ago, but now he's involved in a television ministry.
That website you provided looks interesting, in fact, everything you post is good. Thanks again!
your welcome.....that website is good..darell was blessed....lots of info
Storemanager:
This is NOT a religious war. This is a war against people who have gone mad from the metaphysical myths established in their religion. This religious mania has forced them to live for the "afterworld" so that all the terror and barbarism that they cause to fellow humans in this life can be justified by the eventual "utopia" they will establish on Earth. As Hugh so stated, no different then the political maniac Nazis and the souless Marxists.
When your life becomes enveloped in religous or political fantasies, it is easy to become dangerous and a "menace to society". To them it is a religious war. To me it's the protection of the concept of humanity and the inherant ideals of that humanity, a love of my Earth and the here and now. My army is the army of free men and women who are willing to fight and die for those ideals against an army who have submitted themselves to the bonds of repression.
Briars wrote...
To me it's the protection of the concept of humanity and the inherant ideals of that humanity,
That is exactly the point!
Let's quit arguing about little things and focus on the task at hand?
Defeating them...
fight on!....we have the same fight....just differant weapons.
Briars - huh? Of course this is a religous war. And what do you mean by "metaphysical myths?" A moment ago you described Christianity as a "myth". Are all religions "myths" to you?
Tell me, how do YOU define religion? And if you don't mind my asking, what are you - an atheist? Agnostic? Neither? What?
Texican -I completely agree with you,
Briars - Warning!! You may not want to read my message
Briars-Tell me, how do YOU define religion? And if you don't mind my asking, what are you - an atheist? Agnostic? Neither? What?
tgusa -
Dude -- are you high? Do us all a favor and speak only when spoken to
I see a patern here .
Do you have any idea's of your own champ?
Or do you just type around OPI?
i find it better to just say fight on!....and save my real fight for islam....only GOD can change a heart!
Hugh wrote...
"What are our kinsmen the Danes..."
-- from a posting above
And what of the others across those seas, friends to this ground, and liegemen to those Danes?
Verdonk backs down; Ayaan will retain Dutch nationality
Hugh,
If you are speaking of this I am sorry but the Euros’ are so spastic I hardly know what to believe from day to day Sorry, not much hope.
Wow tgusa - you're quite the charmer - bet you have to beat the boys off with a stick!
champ...
YEAH BABY!
Went to the fair with my grandson for a little while. Looks like I misssed some interesting posts.
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Sorry, I have a general mistrust of religious people. Maybe that's why I'm so alarmed at the Islamists.
Posted by: Briars at May 19, 2006 09:50 PM
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Briars read the following to understand the difference between Christianity/Judaism & islam.
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Early in the book, Bawer (gay individual) underlined the essential difference between the peculiar American form of fantasy-ideology religious fundamentalism he’d long fought, and the more pervasive and lethal Muslim variety he was encountering in Europe—
"The main reason I’d been glad to leave America was Protestant fundamentalism. But Europe, I eventually saw, was falling prey to an even more alarming fundamentalism whose leaders made their American Protestant counterparts look like amateurs. Falwell was an unsavory creep, but he didn’t issue fatwas. James Dobson’s parenting advice was appalling, but he wasn’t telling people to murder their daughters. American liberals had been fighting the Religious Right for decades; Western Europeans had yet to even acknowledge that they had a Religious Right. How could they ignore it? Certainly as a gay man, I couldn’t close my eyes to this grim reality. Pat Robertson just wanted to deny me marriage; the imams wanted to drop a wall on me. . I wasn’t fond of the hypocritical conservative-Christian line about hating the sin and loving the sinner, but it was preferable to the forthright fundamentalist Muslim view that homosexuals merited death."
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Briars, Christians may try to convert you but not kill you for not believing as islam does.
One thing that those that post here have finally tried to agree to on this site is tolerance amongst the brethren here and not to attack each other's beliefs and non-beliefs which is the American way.
The coming battle is with islam and mexico. it has started, but not yet recognized.
Prepare.
Be armed.
Be ready.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
Texican -
My husband and I follow Hal Lindsey's end-time scenarios -- have you heard of him? Your post sounds very similar to Hal's future outline.
What's amazing is that each and every key country mentioned in the Bible, are also found in today's headlines.
What is it you always say...get ready!!
Posted by: champ at May 19, 2006 09:52 PM
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The players are all here. The tune has been called. We are just waiting for the conductor (iran/Israel/the US) to start the war.
Hal Lindsey and other's have a good insight in what is happening in today's world and what is foretold in the Bible. Read the Bible and writings from these religious men and be astonished by what is happening today was foretold centuries ago.
One thing that I find fault with many of today's religious leaders and forecasters is that they tell the prosperity Christians of America and the world that Christians will not suffer through the coming war due to the rapture. The rapture happens after the war and before God's wrath is released onto the earth. Many a good Christian's faith will be shaken when the war starts and they are not ready for the battles.
Are you prepared.
Are you armed.
Are you ready.
This war is coming and it can not be stopped, but it can be won.
God bless American and the free nations of the world and give us your strength and might to win this war.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
Next they'll be declaring German the official language of Deutscheland!
Ich bin Berlinner!
Texican -
Well - I'm prepared, and I'm ready, but I'm not exactly armed. Guess I need to purchase the rifle I've always wanted, because I live in Southern California - which isn't too far from the Mexican border.
I know the Bible mentions war with Islam, but I didn't know it talks about war with Mexico. What makes you think we'll be at war with them?
This thread is getting a bit weird. Since when does anyone want to go to war with Mexico??? For what, lousy food?? Living in Australia I guess I have the choice of feeling miffed that we get left out of some of your end times theories, or glad we can just let all you big guys fight amongst yourselves.. Mexico... sheesh!!
Newsflash: USA declares war on Mexico for "Crimes Against Gastronomy".... National Guard has been deployed to control local cell groups of Evangelical Mexican gastronomical Institutes, locally known as "Taco Bell (tm)". Analysts caution arguing that "moderate mexican cuisine" is no threat to American values but cites "enhanced risk" with "specialist non chain establishments" where extreme interpretation of chilies is applied....
I can't wait until there are so many of us, that we can divide up into the religious and the non-religious anti-Islamists.
Waterdragon,
Thanks for the Wafa Sultan link. This lady sure knows about mad mos and is not afraid to say it. She sure minced no words. Did you see the face of the mo ?
@ Foehammer: I feel happy that I could provide you with the "Message from Dan" for your blog and that you liked it such as much as I liked it. Thank you for mentioning me, that is so nice of you :-) Your blog is a very interesting website - I am going to visit it constantly from now on.
@Briars: As a European I am probably not supposed to be a believing Christian - and indeed : I am not religious and I agree with you. With a small exception: The Christians are not hostile against us atheists, agnostics or pagans. Even if they are fundementalist, they are friendly and tolerant people and they are not our enemies but our allies in the struggle against Islamofacism.
how do YOU define religion?
The dictionary has the definition as this:
re-li-gion
n
Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
Now, there is great trouble in that Allah fits all three components of the prevailing definition.
But, up until the epileptic sex pervert thief murderer megalomaniac Mohammed seized upon the concept of religion to fulfill his cravings, what has always been, and is still, implicit in a very significant modifer:
re-li-gion
n
Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe that promotes spirituality and goodness.
We all know this, in here at least. But in the case of Islam this true and obvious implication has been willfully ignored by ruling elites, intellectual frauds (i.e., professors), and reporters for 1,400 years now. And the end is drawing near, within as few as a 100 years.
Not the end of the world, the end of spirituality and goodness.
MO HIJABS MO MOSLEMS WITH PUBICAL CRABS MO CROTCH LOBSTER GRABS MO FICTION FABS MO
Islam reveres evil in its scriptures and in the words of its god and in the words and deeds of its messiah and in its sacralized histories.
Islam is not spiritual. There is no animating force or incorporeal consciousness in a belief system strictly built around the achievement of bodily pleasure, attainment of worldly goods, territorial conquest, the physical domination, and the sustained economic abuse of others.
Islam is not a religion.
Would somebody please give Tony, George, Condi, and Hillary a jingle to let them in on this deep secret?
No reason to call Jacques, cuz he’s not stupid; he’s just a craven sold-out pompous ass.
With all due respect (and much is due) to Dr. Spencer, I question his belief that moderate but true muslims can work against Jihadists and bring Islam into reform. Let’s be frank:
(1) How can “moderate” muslims dispel the negative image of their religion without lying when they know that the behavior of the Islamofascist is rooted in the straightforward readings (after maybe a few abrogations) of their Koran & Hadiths? ;
And anyway (2) we who recognize this cult as a religion from hell certainly don’t want the well-deserved negative perceptions of it to decrease but to increase.
In short, we should not really wish the “moderate” (safe definition: don’t want to murder infidels yet) muslims even to try to change this negative perception because it is justified.
We should hope for frequent polls in the USA like the one done in Germany showing an increasingly unfavorable disposition toward this cult of Muhammad. Hopefully someday, muslims will not much wish to come to the West. For why should the West be so suicidal as to want immigrants who crave Sharia over democracy and who believe, per direct dictation from Allah, that the host infidels deserve eternal hell-fire damnation and are "the lowest of creatures" not be made friends with but ultimately subdued?
Texican -
I know the Bible mentions war with Islam, but I didn't know it talks about war with Mexico. What makes you think we'll be at war with them?
Posted by: champ at May 20, 2006 02:26 AM
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To all:
Many have preached about waking up America and the world about islam and our nation is severely threatened from within by the invasion of over 20,000,000 illegals from mexico that only have loyalty to mexico. mexico has an army inside America.
Open your eyes and see what is happening inside America right now due to the mexican illegals inside America. This invasion of mexicans has a reason. mexico intends on taking back the Southwest.
The proposed guest worker program means another 100 million immigrants in America in less than ten years. This increases our population by 1/3. Your jobs are gone to cheaper labor. America's job market will be destroyed by overtly cheap labor. Social security will crash. Welfare will crash. Our food supply will be severely hampered. We will no longer have security within America for the mexicans allowed in have only loyalty for mexico and will carry mexican flags across our land just as they did in the first protests. These mexican illegals only started carrying American flags after the backlash from Americans.
America has two wars to fight, one with islam and one with the illegal invasion of America by mexico and mexicans. If we loose the war with the illegals, islam will conquer us for our government will fail under the pressure and the civil war that will be waged within America.
islam is a threat to America from potential nukes, but mexico and this illegal invasion will destroy America if the illegals are not deported.
Both sides of the Senate is using illegals as fodder for future votes without regard to the long term impact to America and Americans.
Read the following for a better understanding of the problem with illegals and mexico.
See the truth.
Be frightened for your children, grandchildren and America and take action. Call, email and fax your senators and representatives to deport all illegals if you want America to survive.
War is coming, will America be able to fight???
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
The Second Mexican War
By Lawrence Auster
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 17, 2006
The Mexican invasion of the United States began decades ago as a spontaneous migration of ordinary Mexicans into the U.S. seeking economic opportunities. It has morphed into a campaign to occupy and gain power over our country—a project encouraged, abetted, and organized by the Mexican state and supported by the leading elements of Mexican society.
It is, in other words, war. War does not have to consist of armed conflict. War can consist of any hostile course of action undertaken by one country to weaken, harm, and dominate another country. Mexico is waging war on the U.S. through mass immigration illegal and legal, through the assertion of Mexican national claims over the U.S., and through the subversion of its laws and sovereignty, all having the common end of bringing the southwestern part of the U.S. under the control of the expanding Mexican nation, and of increasing Mexico’s political and cultural influence over the U.S. as a whole.
We experience Mexico’s assault on our country incrementally—as a series of mini-crises, each of which calls forth ever-renewed debates and perhaps some tiny change of policy. Because it has been with us so long and has become part of the cultural and political air we breathe, it is hard for us to see the deep logic behind our “immigration problem.” Focused as we are on border incursions, border enforcement, illegal alien crime, guest worker proposals, changes of government in Mexico City, and other such transient problems and events—all of them framed by the media’s obfuscation of whether or not illegal immigration’s costs outweigh its benefits and by the maudlin script of “immigrant rights”—we don’t get the Big Picture: that the Mexican government is promoting and carrying out an attack on the United States.
Another reason we miss what’s happening is that our focus is on the immigrants as individuals. Thus our leaders talk about illegal immigrants as “good dads,” “hard working folks” seeking to better their lives and their family’s prospects. In fact, this is not about individual immigrants and their families, legal or illegal. It is about a great national migration, a nation of people moving into our nation’s land, in order to reproduce on it their own nation and people and push ours aside.
Thus, in orchestrating this war on America, the Mexican state is representing the desires of the Mexican people as a whole.
What are these desires?
(1) Political revanchism—to regain control of the territories Mexico lost to the U.S. in 1848, thus avenging themselves for the humiliations they feel they have suffered at our hands for the last century and a half;
(2) Cultural imperialism—to expand the Mexican culture and the Spanish language into North America; and especially
(3) Economic parasitism—to maintain and increase the flow of billions of dollars that Mexicans in the U.S. send back to their relatives at home every year, a major factor keeping the chronically troubled Mexican economy afloat and the corrupt Mexican political system cocooned in its status quo.
These motives are shared by the Mexican masses and the elites. According to a Zogby poll in 2002, 58 percent of the Mexican people believed the U.S. Southwest belongs to Mexico, and 57 percent believed that Mexicans have the right to enter the United States without U.S. permission. Only small minorities disagreed with these propositions.
Meanwhile, for Mexico’s opinion shapers, it is simply a truism that the great northern migration is a reconquista of lands belonging to Mexico, the righting of a great historic wrong. “A peaceful mass of people … carries out slowly and patiently an unstoppable invasion, the most important in human history” [emphasis added], wrote columnist Carlos Loret de Mola for Mexico City’s Excelsior newspaper in 1982.
You cannot give me a similar example of such a large migratory wave by an ant-like multitude, stubborn, unarmed, and carried on in the face of the most powerful and best-armed nation on earth.... [The migrant invasion] seems to be slowly returning [the southwestern United States] to the jurisdiction of Mexico without the firing of a single shot, nor requiring the least diplomatic action, by means of a steady, spontaneous, and uninterrupted occupation.
Similarly, the Mexican writer Elena Poniatowska told the Venezuelan journal El Imparcial on July 3rd, 2001:
The people of the poor, the lice-ridden and the cucarachas are advancing in the United States, a country that wants to speak Spanish because 33.4 million Hispanics impose their culture...Mexico is recovering the territories ceded to the United States with migratory tactics...[This phenomenon] fills me with jubilation, because the Hispanics can have a growing force between Patagonia and Alaska.
The Mexicans, as Poniatowska sees it, have changed from resentful losers—which was the way Octavio Paz saw them in his famous 1960 study, The Labyrinth of Solitude—into winners. What accounts for this change? Their expansion northward into the U.S., as the vanguard of a Hispanic conquest of all of North America—cultural imperialism and national vengeance combined in one great volkish movement.
Politicians echo the same aggressive sentiments. At an International Congress of the Spanish Language in Spain in October 2000, Vicente Fox, soon to become president of Mexico with the support of U.S. conservatives, spoke of the “millions of Mexicans in the United States, who in cities such as Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, Miami or San Francisco, inject the vitality of the Spanish language and of their cultural expression.... To continue speaking Spanish in the United States is to hacer patria”—to do one’s patriotic duty. Fox was thus describing Mexican immigrants in the U.S., not as people who had left Mexico and still had some sentimental connections there, as all immigrants do, but as carriers of the national mission of the Mexican nation into and inside the United States.
At the same conference, the Mexican novelist Carlos Fuentes said: “In the face of the silent reconquista of the United States [emphasis added], we confront a new linguistic phenomenon,” by which he meant that Spanish was conquering English just as it conquered the Aztec language centuries ago. According to El Siglo, Fuentes received “an intense ovation.”
The Mexican invasion thus represents the ultimate self-realization of the Mexican people as they move onto a larger part of the world stage—namely the United States—than they have ever occupied before. But the migration, and the imperialism that celebrates it, do not in themselves constitute war. What makes this great national movement war is the Mexican government’s statements and actions about it, particularly with regard to the extraterritorial nature of the Mexican nation and its claims on the U.S. For years, Mexican presidents have routinely spoken of a Mexican nation that extends beyond that country’s northern border into American territory. President Ernesto Zedillo told a 1994 convention of the radical-left Mexican-American lobbying group, the National Council of La Raza, “You are Mexicans too, you just live in the United States.” One of Fox’s cabinet officers, Juan Hernandez, has declared: “The Mexican population is 100 million in Mexico and 23 million who live in the United States.” These are not off-the-cuff statements, but formal state policy. As Heather Mac Donald writes in her important article in the Fall 2005 City Journal:
Mexico’s five-year development plan in 1995 announced that the “Mexican nation extends beyond ... its border”—into the United States. Accordingly, the government would “strengthen solidarity programs with the Mexican communities abroad by emphasizing their Mexican roots, and supporting literacy programs in Spanish and the teaching of the history, values, and traditions of our country.”
Such solidarity not only keeps Mexican-Americans sending remittances back to the home country, it makes them willing instruments of the Mexican government. Fox’s national security adviser proposed the mobilization of Mexican-Americans as a tool of Mexican foreign policy, as reported by Allan Wall. The head of the Presidential Office for Mexicans Abroad said: “We are betting that the Mexican American population in the United States ... will think Mexico first.”
Once the Mexican people have been defined as a nation that transcends the physical borders of the Republic of Mexico, and once Mexican-Americans are defined as “Mexicans” who are to be represented by the Mexican government, claims of “Mexican” sovereignty and rights can be made on their behalf against the country in which they reside.
One such claim is to deny the authority of American law over them. Thus President Zedillo in 1997 denounced attempts by the United States to enforce its immigration laws, insisting that “we will not tolerate foreign forces dictating laws to Mexicans.” [Italics added.] The “Mexicans” to whom he was referring were, of course, residents and citizens of the U.S., living under U.S. law. By saying that U.S. law does not apply to them, Zedillo was denying America’s sovereign power over its own territory. He was saying something that the Mexican elite as a whole believe: that wherever Mexicans live (particularly the U.S. Southwest, which many Mexicans see as rightfully theirs) the Mexican nation has legitimate national interests. From this it follows that the normal operation of U.S. law on Mexicans living in the U.S. constitutes an “intolerable” attack on Mexican rights, which in turn justifies further Mexican aggression against America in the form of illegal border crossings, interference in the enforcement of U.S. laws, and just plain government to government obnoxiousness.
Employing this irredentist logic, President Fox refuses to call undocumented Mexicans in the U.S. “illegals.” He told radio host Sean Hannity in March 2002: “They are not illegals. They are people that come there to work, to look for a better opportunity.” But if people who have entered the U.S. illegally are not doing something illegal, then U.S. law itself has no legitimacy, at least over Mexican-Americans, and any operation of U.S. law upon them is aggression against the Mexican people.
Once we understand the cultural and national expansiveness that drives the Mexicans, the rest of their behavior falls into place. Consider Mexican Foreign Minister Jorge Castañeda’s non-negotiable demands—“It’s the whole enchilada or nothing”—that he issued in a speech in Phoenix, Arizona in 2001. America, said Castañeda (as recounted by Allan Wall), “had to legalize all Mexican illegal aliens, loosen its already lax border enforcement, establish a guest worker program (during an economic downturn) and exempt Mexican immigrants from U.S. visa quotas!” He also demanded that Mexicans living in the U.S. receive health care and in-state college tuition. As Castañeda summed it up in Tijuana a few days later, “We must obtain the greatest number of rights for the greatest number of Mexicans [i.e. in the U.S.] in the shortest time possible.” What this adds up to, comments Wall, is basically “the complete surrender of U.S. sovereignty over immigration policy.” And why not? As Castañeda had written in The Atlantic in 1995: “Some Americans ... dislike immigration, but there is very little they can do about it.”
Hitler pursued Anschluss, the joining together of the Germans in Austria with the Germans in Germany leading to the official annexation of Austria to Germany. The softer Mexican equivalent of this concept is acercamiento. The word means closer or warmer relations, yet it is also used in the sense of getting Mexican-Americans to act as a unified bloc to advance Mexico’s political interests inside the U.S., particularly in increasing immigration and weakening U.S. immigration law. Thus the Mexican government is using the Mexican U.S. population, including its radical elements, as a fifth column.
As reported in the November 23, 2002 Houston Post:
Mexico’s foreign minister, Jorge Castañeda, said his country would begin a “bottom-up campaign” to win U.S. public support for a proposal to legalize 3.5 million undocumented Mexican workers in the United States. Castañeda said Mexican officials will begin rallying unions, churches, universities and Mexican communities.... [Castañeda said:] “We are already giving instructions to our consulates that they begin propagating militant activities—if you will—in their communities.”
La Voz de Aztlan, the radical Mexican-American group that seeks to end U.S. “occupation” of the Southwest and form a new Mexican nation there, writes at its website:
One great hope that came out of the Zapatista March was that generated by the “alliance” that was forged by some of us in the Chicano/Mexicano Delegation and our brothers and sisters in Mexico. The delegation met with officials of the Partido Revolucionario Democratico (PRD) in Mexico City and discussed strategies that will increase our influence in the United States and further our collective efforts of “acercamiento.”
Let us now consider some of the specific actions by which the Mexican government is carrying out the strategy outlined above:
- The Mexican government publishes a comic book-style booklet, Guía del Migrante Mexicano (Guide for the Mexican Migrant), on how to transgress the U.S. border safely (“Crossing the river can be very risky, especially if you cross alone and at night ... Heavy clothing grows heavier when wet and this makes it difficult to swim or float”) and avoid detection once in the U.S.
- As Heather Mac Donald puts it, Mexico backs up these written instructions with real-world resources for the collective assault on the border. An elite law enforcement team called Grupo Beta protects illegal migrants as they sneak into the U.S. from corrupt Mexican officials and criminals—essentially pitting two types of Mexican lawlessness against each other. Grupo Beta currently maintains aid stations for Mexicans crossing the desert. In April 2005, it worked with Mexican federal and Sonoran state police to help steer illegal aliens away from Arizona border spots patrolled by Minutemen border enforcement volunteers—demagogically denounced by President Vicente Fox as “migrant-hunting groups.”
- While the Mexican government sends police to protect illegal border crossers against criminals, rogue Mexican soldiers protecting drug smugglers have threatened U.S. Border Patrol agents, and even engaged in shootouts, as reported in the Washington Times in January 2006. Rep. Tom Tancredo says the activities of these renegade Mexican troops in support of drug traffickers amount to a “war” along the U.S.-Mexico border, and he has urged President Bush to deploy troops there.
- Meanwhile, sheriffs from Hudspeth County, Texas testified before the House Homeland Security Subcommittee on Investigations this month at a hearing titled “Armed and Dangerous: Confronting the Problem of Border Incursions.” They spoke of a dramatic increase in alien and drug smuggling. “The U.S./Mexico border is the weakest link and our national security is only as good as our weakest link,” said one sheriff. “Our border is under siege.” We need to understand that whether the Mexican government is behind the border incursions or is merely unable (or unwilling) to stop them, it ultimately doesn’t matter. As I said at the beginning, the Mexican war on America is supported by all segments of the Mexican society, even, apparently, the criminals. The situation is thus analogous to Muslim razzias or raids—irregular attacks short of outright invasion—used to soften a target country in anticipation of full scale military conquest. The outlaws and smugglers and the renegade soldiers may not be official agents of the Mexican government, yet they are serving its purposes by sowing mayhem along our southern border and demoralizing our population.
- A major role in Mexico’s revanchist war against America is played by the Mexican consulates in the U.S., reports Mac Donald. Now numbering 47 and increasing rapidly, they serve as the focal point of Mexico’s fifth column. While Mexico’s foreign ministry distributes the Guía del Migrante Mexicano inside Mexico, Mexican consulates, unbelievably, distribute the guide to Mexican illegals inside the U.S.
- After the U.S. became more concerned about illegal immigration following the 9/11 attack, the Mexican consulates were ordered to promote the matricula consular—a card that simply identifies the holder as a Mexican—as a way for illegals to obtain privileges that the U.S. usually reserves for legal residents. The consulates started aggressively lobbying American governmental officials and banks to accept the matriculas as valid IDs for driver’s licenses, checking accounts, mortgage lending, and other benefits.
- The consulates freely hand out the matricula to anyone who asks, not demanding proof that the person is legally in the U.S. Here is Mac Donald’s summary of the wildly improper role played by the consulates:
Disseminating information about how to evade a host country’s laws is not typical consular activity. Consulates exist to promote the commercial interests of their nations abroad and to help nationals if they have lost passports, gotten robbed, or fallen ill. If a national gets arrested, consular officials may visit him in jail, to ensure that his treatment meets minimum human rights standards. Consuls aren’t supposed to connive in breaking a host country’s laws or intervene in its internal affairs.
- As an example of the latter, the Mexican consulates automatically denounce, as “biased,” virtually all law enforcement activities against Mexican illegals inside the U.S. The Mexican authorities tolerate deportations of illegals if U.S. officials arrest them at the border and promptly send them back to the other side—whence they can try again the next day. But once an illegal is inside the U.S. and away from the border, he gains untouchable status in the eyes of Mexican consuls, and any U.S. law enforcement activity against him is seen as an abuse of his rights.
- The Mexican consulates actively campaign in U.S. elections on matters affecting illegal aliens. In November 2004, Arizona voters passed Proposition 200, which reaffirmed existing state law that requires proof of citizenship in order to vote and to receive welfare benefits. The Mexican consul general in Phoenix sent out press releases urging Hispanics to vote against it. After the law passed, Mexico’s foreign minister threatened to bring suit in international tribunals for this supposedly egregious human rights violation, and the Phoenix consulate supported the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund’s federal lawsuit against the proposition.
- The consulates also help spread Mexican culture. We are not speaking here of the traditional activity of embassies and consulates in representing their country’s culture in a friendly and educational way to the host country; we are speaking of consulates acting as agents of the Mexican state’s imperialistic agenda. Each of Mexico’s consulates in the U.S. has a mandate to introduce Mexican textbooks (that’s Mexican textbooks) into U.S. schools with significant Hispanic populations. The Mexican consulate in Los Angeles bestowed nearly 100,000 textbooks on 1,500 schools in the Los Angeles Unified School District this year alone.
- It has also been proposed that Mexicans in the U.S. vote in Mexican elections in designated electoral districts in the United States. Under this proposal, California, for example, might have seats in the Mexican Congress, specifically representing Mexicans residing in that state. The governing PAN party of President Fox has opposed this idea, not out of respect for U.S. sovereignty, but out of fear that most Mexicans in the U.S. would vote against the PAN. Meanwhile, another of Mexico’s three major parties, the leftist PRD, urges the designation of the entire United States as the sixth Mexican electoral district.
Throughout this article, I have spoken of Mexico’s revanchist campaign against the U.S. as though the Mexicans were carrying it out completely against our will. But as we are bitterly aware, this is not at all the case. Something has happened in America over the last 40 years that has not only opened us to the Mexican invasion, but has even invited it. From the refusal of many American cities to cooperate with the INS, to President Bush’s celebration of Mexican illegal aliens as the carriers of family values, to the Democratic Party’s insistence that all Mexican illegals in the U.S. be given instant amnesty and U.S. citizenship, it seems that America itself wants the Mexicans to invade and gain power in our country. Since we (or rather, some of us) have invited the Mexican invasion, does this mean we (or rather the rest of us) have no right oppose it?
In the first chapter of his history of the Second World War, entitled “The Follies of the Victors,” Winston Churchill wrote that the triumphant Western allies after the First World War made two mistakes, which in combination were fatal. First, they gave the defeated Germans the motive for revenge, by imposing terribly harsh penalties on them, and second—insanely—they gave them the opportunity for revenge, by failing to enforce the surrender terms when Hitler began to violate them in the 1930s. Yet the fact that the victors’ inexcusable follies enabled Germany to initiate a devastating war against Europe did not change the fact that Germany had initiated the war and had to be beaten. In the same way, by wresting vast territories from Mexico in 1848 we gave the Mexicans the motive for revenge, and then, 120 years later, we insanely gave them the opportunity, by letting Mexicans immigrate en masse into the very lands that our ancestors had taken from theirs, and also by adopting a view of ourselves as a guilty nation deserving of being overrun by cultural aliens.
We gave them the opportunity, they took it, and now it is they who are dictating terms to us.
To quote again from Jorge Castañeda’s 1995 Atlantic article:
Some Americans—undoubtedly more than before—dislike immigration, but there is very little they can do about it, and the consequences of trying to stop immigration would also certainly be more pernicious than any conceivable advantage. The United States should count its blessings: it has dodged instability on its borders since the Mexican Revolution, now nearly a century ago. The warnings from Mexico are loud and clear; this time it might be a good idea to heed them.
Because the U.S. has been silent and passive, Castañeda, in the manner of all bullies and conquistadors, tells us to heed Mexico. The time is long since passed for us to reverse this drama, and make Mexico heed the United States. But for us to do this, we must recognize that the Mexicans are not coming here merely as individuals seeking economic opportunities, but as a nation, expressing their national identity and collective will. Even more important, we must revive our own largely forgotten and forbidden sense that we ourselves are a nation, not just a bunch of consumers and bearers of individual rights, and have the right to defend our nation as a nation.
Good post Texican -
"Mexicans are not coming here merely as individuals seeking economic opportunities, but as a nation, expressing their national identity and collective will"
NATIONAL IDENTITY AND COLLECTIVE WILL -- That is exactly what's going on, and as American's we need to do our part and support the President and his efforts for change.
And it isn't just the illegal aliens who are to blame for this problem -- it's also the American employers who HIRE illegals for their cheap labor that need to be held accountable as well.
Well thats a great speech, why this is at all relevant to "jihadwatch" I would like to know, maybe there is a page that caters for Mexican issues into USA, but from the heading on the page I didnt think this was it. While we are there can we talk about the horrendous invasion of Australia by New Zealanders please?
Briars, I'm a total infidel (i.e. agnostic/atheist depending on definition) and not particularly keen on fundamentalist and orthodox forms of christianity. For MYSELF that is, and if those believers want to impose their ideas on me or, say, my gay friends through laws.
However, I know that the greatest threat to my freedom in the future is islam, that it contains far more extreme believers and far more violent ones, and that sharia would take society back to oppression not seen under christianity since the middle ages - and worse.
So if christians want to (briefly and relevantly) post their religious reasons for opposing islam here, I have no problem with that. I just hope that they are supporting secularism, not a christian-controlled legal system.
Foehammer,storemanager,patriot,sexykafira,moose,
No question, Islam fits the bill. Theres a few good books out there on this Issue.
The author of the article on Answering Islam just released that book under a different title:
http://tinyurl.com/zya36
Spencer's endorsement is on the front cover
Lili,
Like their God, Christians do not wish to impose their beliefs on you. The Christian God is the God of the free offer... the wedding invitation. But certainly not of the force you to submit to their rules of morality. Likewise, they are not too fond of homosexual evangelism in the public schools either. Just like you don't want them preaching their beliefs in the schools. On the other hand they do get upset when the Christian foundations/history that this country was founded on are purposfully erased (the cross in San Diego). But don't fall for the divisive propaganda and the stereotyping. Christians do want to impose ahything on you. Its against their religion. I say this as a Christian. Muslims on the other hand do want to impose threir beliefs on you. The worst thing that Christians might want to do is express their beliefs publicly... just like you or any other American.
payingattention -
Stick around long enough on JW and you'll soon discover that every single thread; every single "topic" starts to redirect into other areas of discussion at about the 50th post - your post was # 174 - which is a little late in the game to start complaining.
Champ I see.. I guess I should have paid more attention to the "The postings are unmoderated".
All I can say is "Wow... Go Germany!"
Deutchland Ueber Alles. :-)
"Well thats a great speech, why this is at all relevant to "jihadwatch" I would like to know,"
It's relevant because of the issue of lax borders and immigration. Arabs have entered the US by way of Mexico and many other countries have terrorist cells because of their lax immigration policies too.
"While we are there can we talk about the horrendous invasion of Australia by New Zealanders please?"
If Australia had millions of illegal foreign nationals sneaking across their borders causing crime rates to go way up, draining their welfare system and making it more likely of terrorist attacks, they wouldn't like it anymore than Americans but since you don't have that problem in your country, you don't understand.
Does this mean the German public no longer buys into the canard that the United States staged the terrorist attacks on its own soil on September 11?
Boy. One can only hope...