How does Giora Eiland know this? Does Eiland have any idea about the solidarity of the umma and the common cause of jihad?
"Iran president says ready for dialogue, brands Israel 'evil regime,'" from Haaretz, with thanks to Caratacus:
Meanwhile, National Security Advisor Giora Eiland said Wednesday that if Iran eventually does acquire nuclear weapons, it would be unlikely to share them with the Islamic militants it backs in the Middle East.Israel has supported U.S.-led diplomatic efforts to deny Iran the means for making a bomb.
It argues that a nuclear-armed Iran would be a direct threat and could embolden allied Lebanese and Palestinian militant groups to step up attacks on Israelis.
But Eiland played down speculation among analysts and Iran's foes that Tehran might also supply proxies with portable nuclear weapons such as a radiation-spreading "dirty bomb."
"I don't think they would be ready to share this knowledge," he told foreign reporters.
I really worry about Israeli overconfidence, infighting, and an almost messianic belief among some that territorial concessions will make all their problems go away. Gaza should have proven the exact opposite hypothesis.
They, and we, are fighting against a shame-honor culture. The only way to gain some peace is to scare them into a lull in the combat. Unfortunate, but necessary. Israeli compassion is always viewed as weakness and never gets any mention in the mainstream media. The EU and Russia are bigger problems than their immediate neighbors in many ways, not to diminish the danger of the neighborhood.
Giora Eiland is a two-tounged liar!
Eiland should be fired for even saying something so incredibly, amazingly STUPID.
R I G H T!!!!!
Can any Israeli contributors here tell us more about Giour Eiland? Who is she? I mean, where does she come down on the Israeli-Palestinian issue, and does she have any idea that there's a Jihad going on against Israel?
What an idiot - shows a complete lack of understanding of what they are up against - teminds me of all the pacifist movements in Europe in the thirties and we all know how accurate they were .
- wishful thinking of the highest and most dangerous order !!
did this Giour Eiland get peppered with fairy dust or something? that is an incredible stupid statment, l am sure most will not listen to her, and maybe she will be humilated and join the humilated imman from Denmark!
...And folks, I got a bridge in Broklyn to sell to you!
sorry how does that differ from sen john kerry ect, who go on sunday talk shows and say things like russia and china will not allow iran to have nukes.they do everything they can to upset the plans of the very gov they work for.without unity we can not win this war.our gov is big and slow and half of it act they hate it.its time to wise up or when we are hit we will have 50 city states like the bronze age.grow up washington and act like americans!
Maybe not right away.But for the Mullahs of Iran to gain nuke weapons will be a huge failure on the part of western governments.Teran luanched a Islamic revalution in the 7os.We fealt it quikly,then licked are wounds and went home.Ignoring the forces unleashed.Instead we quickly decided to appease any and nearly all sprouting Islamic terro groupins.PLO etc..We briefly scerhmeshed with Hezzbollah then backed out.They gained more influance.Soon the ideal of a Palistinian State became erjent internatnial agenda.Regardless of actuall claims.Or matters of historical events.The rush was on.The forces of modern Islamic idealiolgie,were gainig postion.Threw out the global system the claims of PA terroists were taken as granted.And essentally lagitamate.The forces of the Revalution in Tehran had succsefully gained followers threwout the mideast and gradually the intire globe.ALqeda became in the 90s a force of strength.A network of a Muslum brotherhood.The ideals of Alqeda were and are not much different from the PA PLO Hamas Hezzbollah and the numerous out shoots in the reaches of the globe.So what does this have to do with Iran and nukes?Its all part of this complex phenomanon.Iran gaining nuke weapons will prove to be a huge(i hesatate to say possiable) failure.Of the globe to recognize and dael with threats in a resopsable manner the global system built from the ww2 will have failed a major test.Frankly most of the work put into the istatutions of global secriety will have sacomb.To a devils deal.Ignoring reality will have been excepted as the only exceptable way of maintaning the global system.Its what brought failure to the Legue of Nations.In hopes of some notion of global peace we will have desighned a sysytem of asurred global breakdown.The Mullahs of Iran are a testing point.
On what planet is this fool living ?
This war would be a lot easier without such offalheads comedians presumably on our side.
Hopefully he will be laughed out of the beltway.
Correction: she.
Maybe she could join Hillary's campaign.
Meanwhile, National Security Advisor Giora Eiland said Wednesday that if Iran eventually does acquire nuclear weapons, it would be unlikely to share them with the Islamic militants it backs in the Middle East.
When all else fails, do what they do in Washington: "deny it, deny it, deny it!"
After all, if you look upon a star and deny that a problem exists long enough, and hard enough; then "poof" -- suddenly the problem magically disappears.
Now let's all gather 'round a fairy circle and sing the Barney the Dinosaur song!
Meanwhile, National Security Advisor Giora Eiland said Wednesday that if Iran eventually does acquire nuclear weapons, it would be unlikely to share them with the Islamic militants it backs in the Middle East.
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May not be the most stupid statement on islam, but it ranks in the top 10.
Infidels should learn from Israel's experience. Learn from the fact that every single treaty or agreement with the Arabs has been broken, in part or in whole, yet the Israelis keep on making or hoping or dreaming about such agreements. Learn from the inability to recognize, save for a few, to recognize the nature of the opposition to Israel, which opposition is not to be assuaged by any retreats or surrenders of territory. The Qur'an and the Hadith do not say: Let the Infidels have some territory, as long as they give up most. That's not what it says. Israel is now about the size of Massachusetts. If it were to shrink to the size of Rhode Island it would not matter to its enemies. In the Lesser Jihad against it, it must, as an Infidel state, disappear.
The Israelis are a model of nation-building, bravery, and so on. But they are not a model of how to recognize, or deal with, Islam. They are too buffeted, too overwhelmed with the day-to-day crises and with betrayal by Europe and even miscomoprehension by the United States, too inarticulate, too fractious, too much in thrall, in their press and television, to those who are more intent on proving their lack of provincialism by demonstrating a lack of patriotism, and that in turn, leads to a criminally negligent policy of overlooking the permanent promptings of Islam. the room: Islam.
So if someone disagrees with you they are a dhimmi.
The presumption that she is not only wrong but some sort of traitor is low-level stupid.
The correct response is not scorn but curiousity.
Then, if on the basis of investigation you conclude she is wrong, simply state your analysis. You will have more credibility that way. You will have some credibility.
Then, if on the basis of investigation you conclude she is wrong, simply state your analysis. You will have more credibility that way. You will have some credibility.
Hmmmm....was is not two or three weeks back that the Iranian president was quoted as saying that Iran had every intention of sharing it's nuclear technology -- that is, it was their right to share this technology with other islamic nations?
Yes; it was about three or four weeks back!
Actually, if I remember correctly, it was even quoted here at JW as well as in several other news services.
Oh c'mon, lets pull up just one link from April 25, 2006:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/25/world/middleeast/25cnd-iran.html?ex=1303617600&en=78525f46bcf67177&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
You were saying about credibility?
More Uranium Reportedly Found in Iran
May 12 9:31 AM US/Eastern
By GEORGE JAHN
Associated Press Writer
VIENNA, Austria
The U.N. atomic agency has found traces of highly enriched uranium at an Iranian site linked to the country's defense ministry, diplomats said Friday. The finding added to concerns that Tehran was hiding activities that could be used to make nuclear arms.
The diplomats, who demanded anonymity in exchange for revealing the confidential information, said the findings were preliminary and still had to be confirmed through other lab tests. But they said the density of enrichment appeared close to or beyond weapons grade _ the level used to make nuclear warheads.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/12/D8HI8SPG0.html
and they won't give it to terrorists.....yeah, right!
Another mystery stumps the Middle East Experts (tm):
From Reuters: Mystery Ethiopia Blast 'Kills Two'
Well, I guess it will remain a mystery, we'll never know who was doing these attacks. I also like the quotes around 'Kills Two', as if even that information was suspect and subject to interpretation. Thank you again, JW/DW, for curing me of such confusing moments.
Is everybody in Washington really that stupid or did they have to work at it.
This is the most asinine statement made since President Bush called Islam a "religion of peace."
THANK GOD!!!! for the 2nd Amendment!!!
"We the People" will have to defend OUR nation's ramparts, parapets, and borders ourselves.
"To the Red, White, and Blue,
The Colors tha Never Run!"
Whistling as they walk past the graveyard.
viahj quoted AP
Has it been 4-5 years already? Seems like it was only a month ago that a certain Joseph Cirincione, Director of Nonproliferation Studies at the Carnegie Institute, was telling us not to worry.
MP, that's our graveyard they're whistling past.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present before you - The prize jackass of the century. Giora.
Rench wrote:
Maybe not right away.But for the Mullahs of Iran to gain nuke weapons will be a huge failure on the part of western governments.Teran luanched a Islamic revalution in the 7os.We fealt it quikly,then licked are wounds and went home.Ignoring the forces unleashed.
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Rench brings up a good point, so allow me to illustrate something very prime to this war; and we'd better learn this lesson quickly, or we will lose.
The takeover in Iran by the Islamists was not done at the time by a majority. Khomeini was a thug. He was no different in his tactics than Stalin or Hitler. He used fear and he used FORCE to push his agenda to the mainstream of Iran. He cowed the weak and the less organized and he pressured people with guilt and fear of Allah.
Ultimately, he even made the world believe that the Iranian people hate the United States, and he did it by organizing that hostage takeover, knowing full well that it would get huge publicity on television. It worked quite well, didn't it? The Muslims started pouring into Iran and reverts popped up everywhere, basically to save their own lives.
Repression became a regular part of Iranian life, but yet, there are still vast pockets of underground intellectual resistance throughout. And we must not forget them.
Now, here is my key point, and it's so simple: if we are not ready to start using force, and I mean, our real, vast, national power fueled by pride and anger at our enemies -- if we do not have the stomach to KILL our enemies the way they would kill us, drop bombs on them, send them the signal that if you act like animals and kill innocents, if you even threaten our children, we will come after you and we will kill you for it -- if we do not do this soon to Iran's leaders, then we will be in greater danger than anyone can right now imagine. The next step for Islam will be WMDs as weapons of terror and we can never allow that to happen.
In my opinion, the president of Iran is going to proliferate nuclear weapons to terrorists for the very purpose of destroying Israel and the United States, and he's hoping he can get it done through means that catch us offguard and without using an openly aggressive tactic on the part of Iran. This might even mean that he will suddenly one day give into U.N. demands, but by that time it will already be too late: some nuclear terror weapons will already be out into the world and headed to a city near you.
What I'm telling you is this: it's time to be the hammer. Too much talk is dangerous with people lke these. We must stop this habit. Strength of will and force are all that they will ultimately understand.
The question, of course, is will we learn this lesson in time?
Foehammer
Foehammer said
Foehammer, I love your writings, and nice website to boot. But this is getting close enough to "the vast majority of Iranians are moderates being held captive by a few radical leaders" to make hives start to break out on my arms. I have no doubt that there exists in the universe a/some Muslim(s) who are not "radicals", and maybe someday they will actually help us get rid of the "radicals" (hey, stop laughing, it could happen), I just don't want this to turn into another love-fest where we spend the next decade and the next x-trillion dollars to "help out" those "vast majority of moderates" after we get rid of their "few radical leaders". Which, in light of history, is exactly where we will take it.
special_guest:
I have absolutely no idea how you could ever accuse me, especially after that last piece I wrote, of perpetuating a "love-fest" where our enemies are concerned.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but I believe I did if you go back and read it again: at the time of the Iranian hostage crisis, the Muslims were not the majority that they are today. Secularists, agnostics, Christians, Jews --- they all still exist in Iran today. In fact, if you go to the CIA factbook, you will see that even under the repressive Islamic mullahs, at least 2% of Iran is of a religion that is not Islam.
The actual % is much higher, I believe, because a good many of the "Muslims" are, in fact, not at all. Just like when Jews had to pretend to be Christians in Germany and other parts of Europe in order to survive, the reality in Iran is far more complex.
http://shayanmirza.gnn.tv/blogs/5075/A_New_Day_In_Iran_The_Truth_of_Iran_s_Political_and_Social_Climate
I am not saying these things to garner mercy for Iran. Quite the opposite. I am saying these things so that in the ripple-effect of the universe, it might save some lives when the shooting starts. It is up to the Persians to retake their nation once the Islamist monsters are weakened by a U.S. attack. Hopefully many thousands of the "sleepers" in Iran will get sense enough to leave Tehran and stay away from nuclear-related facilities, but if not, that is the price of war.
We must act decisively and without pity when we make our next move. I would rather see the loss of life on the side of Iran than to wake up one morning to witness another 9/11.
"Whatever it takes." That should be our motto.
Now, how can Eiland guarantee his claim???
He can't. Therefore, we can't take this statement seriously. Whatever its intentions were (taqiyya?).
Looks like I've been misinterpreted again. Sigh.
Foehammer, calm down. This was not a personal attack, I apologize if you took it that way. I read your posting and agreed with most of it. Except for the part that I quoted. I never accused, or said, or thought, that you wanted to have a love-fest with Iran. I was referring to the U.S. policy towards Afghanistan and Iraq. Afghanistan, home of the Taliban which supported and protected OBL and Al Qaeda, where we are now spending lives and money to help the poor downtrodden people. We went in to kick their *ss, and we end up playing nursemaid to them. We got rid of Saddam in Iraq; we did them a favor, why didn't we leave? And again I'm not asking you personally like that was your decision, that's a rhetorical question.
I am afraid that we will soon hear arguments very similar to the ones you gave, about how we have to help the Iranians. Those arguments will not be coming from you, they will be coming from the State Department and the White House. That makes me very nervous. We can defeat the jihadists militarily any time, any where. The problem is what we do next. If we continue down the "Islamic-nation-building" path we are on, we are in danger of weakening and endangering our own nation in the process.
And we'll just have to agree to disagree on how productive our alliances would be with the Iranian people. We didn't see the Iraqis or Afghans welcome us with flower petals, I just don't expect much from the Iranians. There are tribal/religious fractures that we could exploit, yes, but I would never think that any of them would consider themselves on our side. Maybe you're right and I'll be happily surprised. Honestly, I would love to be proven wrong about that.
"National Security Advisor: Iran will not share nuclear weapons with jihadists"-
Wow, I'm soooo relieved! This despite the declaration of Ahmadi-jihads declaration from a week ago that he will do just that.
But please tell me: Where do they breed these nut-cases, these appeasers, these lame, dumb & deaf monkeys who try to lead the blind?
It never ceases to amaze me with just how these Washington folks are so fully capable of placing their heads in a part of their anatomy that the rest of us ignorant masses would have assumed was a physical impossibility.
Oh, mares eat oats and doe's eat oats and little lambs eat ivy, a kid'll eat ivy too, would'nt you?
I think some writers above assumed this guy is an American National Security Advisor in Washington, since we have been generally conditioned to such Beltway ramblings from people who should know better. If that were true, the vitriol might be entirely justified.
Actually, he is an Israeli major general with a long military history n the IDF. A google search generates 42,800 entries. I looked at some of his past speeches and they generally made sense.
However, I would tend to agree that he seems a bit over-optimistic about the Iranians not transferring "dirty bomb technology" to the terrorists.
In fact the "technology" (suitcase, radioactive junk and an explosive)is also readily available on Google. It does not take a rocket scientist; any terrorist worth his salt could build one of these things. The Iranians might furnish the material, but the technology is already ut there.
1- Giora is a man's name
2- Giora Eiland is a fool from way back. His judgement is generally poor, yet despite his failures, he is kept on in leadership positions
3- therefore, I conclude that he is well-connected, maybe like the British generals who botched the Gallipoli campaign in the first World War.
4- keep up the criticism of this mediocrity [being polite] who has risen above his level of incompetence.
5- maybe the unmentionables in Washington DC like him because he so foolish, and probably pliable too
6- maybe they feel comfortable with him because he is on their level
Eliyahu - Thanks for the information on Eiland. Maybe I was over-awed by 42000 Google citations.