More inner conflict from our friend and ally. "Flier Circulates Seeking Musharraf's Death," from AP, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
MIRAN SHAH, Pakistan - A pamphlet purportedly from Osama bin Laden circulated among border tribesmen Sunday, saying the al-Qaida chief was praying for the assassination of Pakistan's president and calling him a "slave" of President Bush.Some doubts were cast on the statement's authenticity, but it follows a spurt of high-profile militant messages and highlights simmering tensions between Pakistani forces and the insurgents they are battling along the Pakistan-Afghan border.
It also came a day after a top U.S. counterterrorism official said that parts of Pakistan are a "safe haven" for militants and Islamabad needs to do more to clamp down on al-Qaida. Islamabad dismissed the assertion that it was not doing enough as "absurd."
The pamphlet was distributed by militants in Mir Ali, a town in the North Waziristan tribal region. The text said it was reaching out to tribesmen living in the area whose homes were destroyed during recent Pakistani military operations for "American pleasure."
It begins with a paragraph in Arabic mentioning bin Laden's name. It then says in Urdu, Pakistan's primary language: "(A) new message by Sheikh Osama bin Mohammed bin Laden to Muslims about the atrocities by the Pakistani army on the tribes of Waziristan, the bloodshed and destruction of their homes."
Then it singled out the U.S. president and his and Pakistani counterpart, Gen. Pervez Musharraf.
"I pray to God ... that Bush, Pervez and his army meet the fate that they deserve, and give someone among the lions of God the opportunity to kill this slave of Bush in Pakistan," the pamphlet said....
Henry Crumpton, the U.S. ambassador in charge of counterterrorism, lauded Pakistan Saturday for arresting "hundreds and hundreds" of al-Qaida figures but said it needed to do more.
Crumpton said U.S. officials continue to believe that bin Laden is somewhere along the Afghan-Pakistani border, and was more likely to be on the Pakistani side.
Sultan, the Pakistani army spokesman, dismissed Crumpton's assertion that Islamabad was not doing enough.
"No one has conveyed this thing to Pakistan, and if someone claims so, it is absurd," he told reporters in Afghanistan.
Yes. The jihadists have no support within Pakistan. None whatsoever. Everybody loves Musharraf. What's that? That flier? Why, it's obviously the work of...Zionists!
Waziristan delendo est
A muslim seeking death for someone. Wow! What a surprise.
The full quote from the Khaleej Times:
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/subcontinent/2006/May/subcontinent_May249.xml§ion=subcontinent
"I pray to God, without whom there is no other God, that Bush, Pervez and his army meet the fate that they deserve and give someone among the lions of God the opportunity to kill this slave of Bush in Pakistan," bin Laden purportedly said in the message.
A bit of background on du'a, or supplication makes the passage, which otherwise is a bit Pythonesque in its opening (a la the "Holy Hand Grenade"), that bit having been omitted in the AP account, more interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du%27a
Two things catch my eye there. First:
Secondly:
Not just wishful thinking there. OBL's supplication is a call to any enterprising believer to make it happen, with all the urgency of "Allah's" stamp of approval.
Iran Focus
Tehran, Iran, May 07 – Iran’s radical President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Sunday that the Islamic Republic could fast become an “unrivalled world power” by obtaining nuclear capabilities.
“The Iranian nation has the potential to quickly become an unrivalled world power by obtaining modern technology”, Ahmadinejad told commanders of Iran’s paramilitary Bassij force in Tehran. His comments were reported by the official news agency.
“With only a short time having passed since the announcement that Iran had obtained nuclear technology, regional and global order have quickly changed”, he said, adding that the “enemies” feared a resurgence of “Islamic identity in the Islamic world”.
he forgot to say the hidden imam will be carrying the nuke in his turban.
I sure hope there is a plan for getting hold of the nukes if Musharraf falls. (Probably not)
Is this the flier handed out with jumbo fries and shake at every Muslim McDonalds'?
Or is it the one given as a bonus in every Islamic KFC original recipe bucket, down the road?
'Not just wishful thinking there. OBL's supplication is a call to any enterprising believer to make it happen, with all the urgency of "Allah's" stamp of approval.'
Well, that's it, Shinoliite. A bunch of wild Indians, or "wild asses" as described in the Tanach, as in: "Ishmael was a wild ass of a man".
Islam is a cheap knock-off of Judaism that went way south. Mohammed wanted the Jews to follow him but when they didn't he got very ticked off.
The angel Gavriel would never have told Mohammed to do anything that was against the tenets of Judaism.
I wish that all the Jews that are dispersed among the nations, such as the remnants of Israeli tribes like the Pashtun and others in "Afghanistan" become aware of their Judaism, the root of their souls in this world and the next.
This goes for the rest of the B'nei Menashe in India and the rest of the Jewish Ethiopians and everyone else of Jewish origin in the Middle East and Far East. Come home!!!
As for the "lions of G-d"--let's face it, Osama, the Jews are the lions and you are the jackals. You don't even do a clean kill.
what love and respect that the mos have for each other not including for infidels.
hamalach..jesus was a jew...all who love israel can be adopted jews...i pray for the peace of jurusalem...by the way..jur..usa....lem...think about it.
from the jerusalem post......president hugo Chavez said Venezuela would take further steps to increase revenues from its petroleum industry, including a new tax on companies that extract oil in the South American nation.
Chavez, who made the announcement Sunday during his weekly television and radio program, said the measure would create US$1 billion (€800 million) in new revenue. He said details of the new tax would be revealed in coming days.
Venezuelan Oil Minister Rafael Ramirez said the government was considering a 33.3 percent extraction tax. Oil companies would be able to subtract from tax bills whatever they pay the government in royalties, he told Union Radio.
like i said iran and hugo
Carolyn2:
Here is the plan that has been in place since before 9/11: bin Laden et al have been trying to get hold of them since they were first produced. Oh, you meant, does the rest of the world have a plan? I'm sure the UN has a plan to write urgent letters to the new rulers of a jihad bent Pakistani regime that will no doubt threaten severe referral to the UN Security Council for heated debate on whether to impose an embargo on Pakistani rugs.campingman1
Yeah, now if only the USA would move the embassy to Jerusalem instead of leaving it in Tel Aviv....
Top 10 Reasons Why our Future Moslem Governors Will Prove Unable to Govern and Themselves will Prove Ungovernable
1) Among Moslems, Islam is the only true government.
2) The only true government for Moslems was deformed at birth, and then went on to form a final deformity that permanently blocks attempts at reform.
3) The only true government among Moslems has always been armed and in a permanent state of insurgency.
4) When, in our midterm future, the only true government among the European Moslems sets up the first Islamic Republics on European soil, internecine conflicts will flare among Moslems as they compete for a share of the European jihad war booty.
5) Moslems must have infidels to do the work; infidels are high maintenance, especially European ones.
6) As Koranic scripture continues to not make good on its predictions and promises, behind closed doors angst and trouble will emerge among Moslems.
7) With their intense focus on the Koran and Hadiths, Moslems have very poor skills in interacting with and managing technology.
8) As Marxist Europe collapses into its new form, the Islamic European Union, widespread hetero and gay pedophilia will result, and that will rob European workers of their focus.
9) The communist Chinese government will cut a deal with the new Caliphate, but the slow motion collapse of European productivity will only worsen, and finally lead to an bloody infidel insurgency, a renewed Marxist revolution, if you will.
10) The newly established Global Caliphate (headquartered out of the World Mosque in Vatican City) will have no choice but to hire a Moslem leader.
from haaretz..There is opposition to a plan by Israeli Arabs to march in the center of the Israeli city of Lod to mourn the "catastrophe" of Israel's creation.
Residents of Lod filed a request with Lod Police Commander Amichai Eshed to prevent a public observance in the city on May 15th (the anniversary of the end of the British Mandate) of Al-Nakba – which is Arabic for "The Catastrophe," a reference to the founding of the State of Israel. They wrote in their letter that, "Nakba Day testifies more than anything to the disloyalty of Palestinians in Israel to the right of Israel to exist in peace and security, as well as the right of the Jewish nation to an independent state in the Land of Israel. The observance of Nakba Day in Lod represents a dangerous development which began on Land Day."
my point...evil lives
Who is out there publicly saying that the Jihadists don't have any support in Pakistan?
Who is out there saying that General Musharraf is universally popular in Pakistan?
I mean, what was that last comment in the post about?
Everyone of the pundits out there that I've seen says that Musharraf is the best that we can hope for in a very troubled Pakistan.
So what's the point?
Sure, we know that whackos want to whack General Musharraf, and sure we know that means that some radicals could stage a coup, take over the Army, control the ISI, and get their hands on those nukes.
We know that.
But in that no genuine Democrat movement exists in Pakistan, and some Pathan, or Afridi James Madison doesn't seem to have a following, what exactly would you have us do regarding Pakistan?
Pressure them? Pressure a country with nukes, and an intelligence agency connected to terror groups throughout the mideast, thus throughout the world, and that very same intelligence agency is thoroughly penentrated by jihadists, or jihadist sympathizers.
Carolyn, I've read that the United States has positioned teams about the Pakistani arsenal. Whether that is true or not, I don't know.
I've never even read an estimate of the size of the Pakistani arsenal, be it of missiles, or atomic bombs delivered by Fighter/Bombers, or ship delivered weapons.
Perhaps it is listed in Jane's Defense Review, but I've never read it, or heard an estimate offered on television.
Oh, PUH-LEEZE. What cockamamie conspiracy theory have they come up with now? Who would gain by making up statements in OBL's name, and how would they distribute the fliers in the Waziristan tribal areas? The level of BS surrounding the un-nameability of the jihad just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
Dan said
Could you be more specific? What comment, and what post? You may be saying something interesting, but without a frame of reference your point is not at all clear. What are you responding to?
Special Guest,
I was remarking on the very last paragraph of Robert Spencer's lead post.
Spencer seemed to be saying that there were pundits out there who were saying Musharraf was very popular in Pakistan, and that there wasn't any jihadi problem at all within the country. I haven't read or heard of anyone suggesting as much. Have you?
So my point is, who exactly was he ridiculing? He was obviously mocking somebody, some group of people, but who?
Of course, maybe I'm being hypercritical.
But he began his post with this sentence: "More inner turmoil from our friend and ally." So it seems to be that he's mocking all of those out there who are willing to work with Musharraf, or who describe the relationship we have with Pakistan as being stronger than it is.
My point is the rather obvious one, we, the United States, the West, are better off with Musharraf in command, however shaky his government may be, however non-wholehearted his cooperation in the war against jihadism, then we would be, if Osama's friends were at the helm.
I haven't heard of any Americans overjoyed with Musharraf, or overjoyed at his cooperation in hunting down jihadists in Pakistan, especially within the Northwest Frontier Province. But that doesn't mean that we would be better off were he removed.
Dan, thanks for the clarification. I took Robert's comment to be related to the same thing I wrote about, that the denial that OBL's death threat was really from the jihadists; we can safely assume that they claim it was the Mossad behind it. As you point out, the West is closer to Musharraf than the jihadists are; why would we want to threaten him?
When you say that the West is better off with Musharraf in charge though, I'm not sure that is true. It blurs things, it puts a nice face on things, but behind the scenes things are as bad as they could be, I think. Clarity is the one thing we are missing in facing the jihad. If a firebrand like Iran's president were in charge of Pakistan, do you think we would have hesitated to find OBL in Waziristan?
Of course, people worry about the Pakistani nuclear arsenal, and are glad to have a "moderate" like Musharraf in charge of them. But is he? He is too weak to punish A.Q. Kahn. The ISI has physical custody of the arsenal, not Musharraf, and we know where their loyalties lie.
Think about if Nazi Germany (sigh, I know that's a tired analogy) had had an affable spokesperson, someone we could continue to negotiate with, even as the blitzkriegs continued. Would that have been better? Or would it have just confused us for longer, and delayed our (U.S.) entry into WWII even longer, possibly until it was too late?
Pakistan is between a rock and a hard place. You must be aware that it is not a state in the sense of the word. When the British vacated India in 1947, the muslims of West Punjab started riots for their own islamic country. They killed one million Hindu civilians and got their Pakistan. There are several Indian states that fell into Pakistan. West Punjab joins the Indian border,then there is Sindh. Along the Afghan border there are Baloochistan and Waziristan,the North West Frontier Province. These last three areas are controllid by Balooches and Pashtuns.They are men so savage that Pakistan government was not even able to make a road in these areas TILL DATE. Here there is complete anarchy and the rule of the tribes. Some of them are fighting for a Balooch state.But on the whole,they are not interested in the states of West Punjab and Sindh.It is these tribals that Osama is trying to cultivate.But these guys,though muslims,have no territorial ambitions.They love their badlands and they want to stay there. Musharraf had a complere terrorist set up to train the jihadis to wage war against Hindus in Kashmir. This he had to dismantle cos some of these jihadis joined OBL's cadres. Now the hardliners are dissatisfied cos they feel that they are not able to advance jihad. They want to topple Musharraf. But,at this point,Musharraf is the best bet for India, U.S. and the rest of the civilized world. Those nukes are safe with him; so far.Pakistan is a
Witches Cauldron
I can hear the song:
"I shot Musharraf
But I did not shoot the deputy..."
Sorry.