Don't arrest us for jihad terror activities, or it will drive us to engage in more jihad terror activities.
From CNN, with thanks to Mackie:
LONDON, England -- The leader of Britain's biggest Muslim organization says trust between police and the community affected by last week's anti-terrorism raid in east London could break down....In his first public engagement since his election as Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain, Muhammed Abdul Bari said people were questioning what had taken place.
During a visit to the area on Monday, he said: "The message is the confusion, it's the frustration and to some extent anger.
"People want to know what exactly happened and about the intelligence -- is it genuine information, is it flawed -- these are the questions police have to answer as soon as possible.
"Trust could be an issue. Trust could break down if things are not clarified.
"Angry people can do anything, angry people can even feel that they should take the law into their own hands so anger has to be directed into positive action."
Is that a threat, Bari?
On Monday, Scotland Yard's Assistant Commissioner Andy Hayman said police had "no choice" but to launch the anti-terror raid as they had been given "specific intelligence" about the address....However, he said: "It is very important that I emphasize the police did receive specific intelligence.
"We were left with no choice but to act upon that intelligence. Public safety was our top priority."
No, obviously the sensitivities of Muslims in Britain should have been your top priority, Hayman. Haven't you read your Multiculturalist Handbook?
Trust could break down if things are not clarified.....Sorry.....What trust?.....as I watch the world go by in a world of Muslim terror....a bus that goes boom......a small cafe that Now rests along 9 city blocks after being lauched thru the air...Father's crying for dead son's and lost dreams.A woman who lost her soul mate......Children who will remember parents only thru the photos of loved ones....I for one lost my TRUST for Islam...a long time ago....sorry
"Don't arrest us for jihad terror activities, or it will drive us to engage in more jihad terror activities."
Ordinarily, you could describe this as a "Catch-22." But since it pertains to some folks who think if they martyr themselves they'll get to enjoy the posthumous delights of an ethereal bordello, I suggest we call it "Catch-72."
"Angry people can do anything, angry people can even feel that they should take the law into their own hands so anger has to be directed into positive action."
Uh, yeah right, just like the American, British, Australian and Spanish public did to Muslims after the precepts of Islam killed scores of innocent people.
Grow up.
Remember him?
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Confronted with the appalling statements of his guest, Sheikh Sudais - "Monkeys and pigs and worshippers of false Gods who are the Jews and the Zionists" and much more of the same - Muhammed Abdul Bari dissembles and then whines about "character assassination".
What can you expect from such a man?
"Angry people can do anything, angry people can even feel that they should take the law into their own hands so anger has to be directed into positive action."
Muslims who live here in the West know they are living in dar al-harb ( the house of war), how about leaving and moving to dar al-islam?
"Trust could be an issue. Trust could break down if things are not clarified."
The British Muslim community as well as the world-wide Muslim community have got to accept the reality that trust has been breaking down among the non-Muslims since September 11, 2001. Trust is hard earned and can be lost completly when action is not taken to punish one's own and condemm the terror actions.
"Let us kill you in peace. Why do you have to create such a racket ? Why do you arrest our men who go about their legitimate duties as described in the kuran ? Why don't you go down silently ? These are but perfectly natural tasks set out for us to do by our prophet. Why do you make such a hue and cry over what is our divine right ?"
It is typical for a muslim who is sawing off the head of an animal to say "Zara dum le churri ke neeche". Literally it means "Lie in peace beneath the knife". (while I kill you).
"Angry people can do anything, angry people can even feel that they should take the law into their own hands ..."
This statement is a two way street. Be careful how hard you push us, Mohammad.
Until recently I had no negative feelings about Islam.
These arrogant bastards are changing reality for more and more of us.
I remember the words of a Japanese general following Pearl Harbour: "I am afraid we have awaken a sleeping giant."
More and more, our patient and lazily indifferent people are waking up and will act against this infection.
We should thank F'ers like Bari.
"Angry people can do anything, angry people can even feel that they should take the law into their own hands ..."
Well it looks like we will have the chance to see these angry people on Friday. I heard on the radio this morning there is to be a protest, perhaps after prayers when they have been whipped into a frenzy. No doubt we infidels will be threatened again with beheading.
I am struggling with my anger more and more these days but I know I can't take the law into my own hands so what gives these idiots the right to say such things. Look and listen to this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvgTa3izC8o&search=nato%20serbia
God help us all!
What is this trust that the Muslim communities are sharing with law enforcement agencies?
Our they eagerly giving intelligence on possible illegal and threatening activities?
Why do tax payers pay for law enforcement in the first place?
People in most communities want police to actively pursue criminal activities within their constitutional bounds.
Would it be a prudent measure to share intelligence with Muslim community leaders before aggressive police actions are taken against eminent threats?
How did the Muslim community assist MI-5 and local authorities in helping to stop the murderous attacks from local muslims on 7-7?
Please define trust when polls said that some 28 Pct of Muslims in the UK celebrated the attacks of 9-11 in the US, and 7-7 in the UK.
Yes; where can our law enforcement really place their trust when it comes to their top priority of protecting their citizens?
Why would the Islamic communities show anger instead of praise for the efforts of law enforcement to stop terrorist activities?
How are we to tell with you are practicing the jihad of the heart, or the jihad of the sword when the Quran allows you to deceive (taquiya) and tell half truths(kitman) to us infidels?
Show me examples of how the Muslim community has earned the trust of law enforcement in the fight against Islamic terrorism?
Dilly,
Just saw your video. God help us.
"Muslim leader warns trust could break down". Gee! Ya Think?!?
Sounds like it's time for the Brits to send the Pakis packing.
What is the reaction to the non Muslim population in Britain? I mean, it sounds like they are slowly waking up to the fact that the Muslims are unique from the other minorities who have come to their land in that they are the only ones who seem to have absolutely no value for human life. So are the Brits finally coming to terms with what is happening?
Scaramouche, of course we are't supposed to fight them or resiste them, ya silly infidel!
Remember the scene from "Independence Day" when Bill Pullman asks the alien what he wants from us, and the creature hisses out "To diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie!!!"
I am married to an Israeli Jew. Her parents were born in Iraq and the grandmother could tell some hairraisers about their escape from Iraq.
We are't supposed to make it hard for them.
Angry Muslims in Britain, the small, but growing population is angry with the mainstream? What about the growing anger of the mainstream toward the Muslim minority that advocates a take over, a shift in political power toward them, involuntary social engineering, a degredating in rights and privileges and the rest. Don't you think that the non-Muslim population has the right to be angry and that Muslims should back off and stop complaining and learn to live in mainstream?
Of course I know that's a pipedream, but sooner or later, the mainstream will have to make a decision...and it probably won't be pretty.
Dilly,
thanks for posting this video. Everybody should have a look. Though the reporters still repeat that Bosnian Moslems are not "radicalized", the pictures the video shows speak another language. And those are not the worse pictures: Serbian military has found videos of many beheadings. What is important also is to know those beheadings took place as early as 1992, also Bin Laden got Bosnian passport in the same year (in the Bosnian embassy in Vienna, Austria). It is about the time to stop portraying Bosnian Moslems as victimes radicalized through Serbs. On the contrary, they share the "Herrenmensch" ideology with their Middle Eastern co-religionists and have started the war and killing in Bosnia.
The broad mass of Bosnian Moslems has the greatest simphaty for all sorts of terrorist acts Moslems exercise throughout Europe. Bosnian Moslem (his family name was Sjekirica) was involved in Madrid massacre. Bosnia and Kosovo are one stop shops for Moslem terrorist with pan-European aspirations. EU and USA however are still supporting Moslems in their efforts to build infidel-free states on Serbian soil. They also turn a blid eye when churches are destroyed (in Kosovo over 150 churches and monasteries have been completely destroyed) and portray this as a "revenge". This is the worst possible appaisment policy that the world has seen for a very long time. Serbs are paying the price today, but we see that sacrifice of Serbian lands by EU and USA has only grown Moslem appetites.
"Angry people can...." When are they not angry? Their anger is a permanent state of mind. This gentleman also feel quite confident that he can threaten Britons in their own land,and no consequence will follow. What will happen as the Islamic population continues to grow?
Trusting infidels and their institutions? Isn't that haram?
A thief, when caught, finds it useful to point in another direction and yell: "Stop, thief!"
And then 'run' after this fictional distraction to escape scrutiny, or literal capture.
Bluff works... for a while.
Muslims know the game.
But now we do too.
Game Over.
I'm suspicious of "intelligence" received from a Muslim source as they often "snitch" to get rid of personal enemies, people that are apostates and then use the occasion to whine (as in the above situation).
Point is, if our security forces are relying on Muslms to fight the "war on (Islamic) terrorism, they are making a big mistake.No true Muslim, under any circumstances, would snitch on another Muslim and no "moderate" (no such thing anyway) Muslim would snitch on a Jihadi, for two reasons
l. Loyalty to the Ummah
2. Bad press for ALL Muslims (including themselves)
How can you tell when a Muslim is lying?
His lips are moving.
The UK government set up 7 Muslim working groups after 7/7 to see how Muslim youth could be discouraged from turning to terrorism. Their recommendations published last November after over 1000 meetings with UK Muslims, seemed to include that the government should change its foreign policy, not alienate youth with strong anti-terrorism laws, not publish lists of extremist websites, organisations and individuals (too much like censorship), increase the profile of Islam in British education generally and to combat Islamophobia.Also, a roadshow to tour Muslim districts of the country combatting jihadi doctrine, should be allowed to include Yusuf al-Qaradawi (homosexuals should die, apostates should die, female circumcision is OK), a man banned from the US since 1990. Many of its other recommendations seemed to involve help for Muslim preachers on the tacit understanding that they would be a voice of moderation.They seemed as concerned with increasing the power and influence of Islam in the UK as with public safety.See:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,11026,1640206,00.html#article_continue
One clear message was that being Muslim means never having to say that you are sorry.
Guys
I am from India, Yesterday in the news, The mulim patriots of India wants a ban on th 100 yeard old National Song.
I am really very hurt at their demand, how can they be so rude...I know that muslims are the worst people to live along with but from what does they get this rude and unyeilding behaviour to ask for a ban on everythig and anythign that they dont like that to in a country where they are a minority.....
I guess when they breed well to even 30 to 40% I can see the temples being blown up frequently...
The World heritage site of AJanta and Ellora were recently saved by cracking a plot to blow them up...
Multicultaralism is a bane for any society.Secularism renders our societies fragile and prosperity cannot last on a fragile society...
Chinese are best placed in the 21st century rather than any other country becuase they ae almost all are huns....
Serbian girl,
The world, until now, is treating the muslims demanding their 'lands' as either 'Bosnians', 'Palestinians', or 'Kashmiri'. The world leaders till now have not treated them as 'muslims'. muslims want territory everywhere. And they will not stop. They created pakistan and bangladesh, two radical islamic countries, from my India, and now they want 'Kashmir'. Whereever the muslim population grows, they kill all infidels and start a demand for their own land. Until the world gets 'Leaders', not 'Politicians', innocents shall die, and new countries created, whose sole allegiance is to mecca. I saw this video, and I identified instantly, all muslims. Except for skin color, the muslims in Kashmir look the same.
notice the cute way that abdul-bari says: "people want to know..." or "angry people..."?? In other words, the only people important to him are Muslim people. Anyhow, it's cute rhetorical trick which he may have learned in some institute for psychological warfare and propganda.
Arjun,
I see it the same way as you do. This is what I was saying: the colour of the skin doesn´t matter a bit, there is no such thing like "race". Bosnian Moslems are (to 90%, perhaps more) Serbs who converted to Islam. This conversion is in many cases not very old one and most Moslem families know when it happened . These people are as blond and as blue eyed as Serbs (in many cases they kept the Slavic features much better than the Serbs, as they were not exposed to violence, i.e. rapes of women by Turks). Only ignorant Western Europeans can believe those people are less dangerous because they have blue eyes! What a stupidity! It means absolutely nothing. What matters is ideology. Bosnian Moslems haven´t been "radicalized", as the video is trying to indicate, rather they have ALWAYS considered themselves to be above others , having the right to exploit and kill the Christians. Historically, Bosnian Moslems were the greatest obstacle of Otoman empire reforming (sure, they didn´t want to give up numerous privileges). No wonder Serbs consider them to be traitors. The worst sort of traitors.
Of course, there are Moslems in Bosnia who are Moslems by name only but want to live in peace with Serbs, their brothers. However, their political leader, who supported the idea of Bosnia staying in Yugoslavia, has been brutally silenced in the early 90es. Tens thousands of those Moslems has fled to Serbia, most of them are still there and will never go back to Bosnia (my parents who live in Serbia have let part of their house to such a family of Bosnian Moslems who fled from the Izetbegovic´s state and found shelter in Serbia). At the same time Serbia was accused of policy of "ethnic clensing" in Bosnia. This is cynical, isn´t it?
I read your postings and like it very much.
Regards,
Serbian girl,
Here is another thing linking Serbia with Kashmir.
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/jandk/terrorist_outfits/lashkar_e_toiba.htm
You need not read it all, just scroll all the way to the bottom. This terrorist group is active both in Kashmir and Serbia. Thanks for describing the actual Serbian situation to me. It is remarkably similar to Kashmir. And, yes, India is regularly accused of "human rights violations", like Serbia. Most recently, by Britain.
This thread is expiring, hoping you get this.
Regards,
Arjun