"Beggar scholars will speak that slaughtering infidels is sacrilegious...We tell them that this is the book of God, which will be the judge"

When translating these quotes from the practitioners of the religion of peace,i wish the media would use the corect translation of the word God ,as spoken by the islamists,meaning Allah...let`s not confuse people by showing islamists using the word of God,afterall they are refering to their Allah.
Also their war cry,"allahu akhbar" should be properly quoted,rather than translated into "God is great".
These barbarians are muslims,they kill people in the name of Allah,(not in the name of God) and when they chant allahu akhbar,they actually mean "allah is great" rather than god is great.

These barbarians are muslims,they kill people in the name of Allah,(not in the name of God) and when they chant allahu akhbar,they actually mean "allah is great" rather than god is great.

Posted by: adela

Not to nit pick adela, but it really means "allah is greatest", implying greater than our God.

Please, Please ,Mr. Spenser,
Can I be the first to embrace my own death? I cannot wait. Please inform me if I have been selected to spread the word, so they say.

"Name me another belief system that has a violent pejorative for all who don't believe in that system, and threaten disbelievers with subjugation or death if they don't submit."

Actually, the ancient Near East & Mesopotamian regions were rife with religions that fit this description quite nicely: they were the polytheist religions out of which Israel differentiated, and out of which Jesus further differentiated. Meanwhile, Mohammed did not differentiate out of them but rather apotheosized their principle of theomachy, never (contrary to certain Western observers who have, sadly, become dominant now) fully evolving from henotheism -- where one God holds hegemonic power over a pantheon of lesser gods -- into monotheism, the theophany par excellence of the West from Abraham to Moses to Jesus, and from the Pre-Socratics to Socrates to Plato to Aristotle: these two oceans synthesized in Christendom and thence its successor, the modern West.

And Thank God For That...Television

P.S.: Islam has been all along, and is still waging a Mesopotamian henotheistic theomachy against lesser gods -- i.e., against the Israelite God, against the Christian God (insofar as they are seen to be distinct enemies), against all the pagan gods of the world (various peoples and tribes which Islam has conquered, and continues to try to conquer), against the Zoroastrian God, against the Hindu pantheon, against the Buddhist "gods", etc.

One way, therefore, to look at Islamic Jihad is that it is a war of one particular God (through his human agents) for pantheonic cosmic supremacy, waged on the battlefield of Earth in History against all other gods who are not "non-existent", only inferior, to Allah. The goal, of course, is eschatological: the end of history: utter victory for Allah and eternal annihilation of the other gods.

The mentality of jihadists has always amazed me.

The puerile "my god is greater than your god" reminds me of prepubertal boys near a lavatory trough and is indicative of a lethal degree of immaturity and gross sexual insecurity in the average male muslim.

The fact that these "people" can go out and butcher a loved one(although really muslim women are really only wombs with hands and not really human) in the name of "honour", or send off their sons to die in jhihad and then boast about it shows me that their mindset is totally inhuman when compared to almost all other cultures.

If you add to this the total lack of humour in the islamic way of life(name ONE Muslim comedian?) where only the beheading of some infidel seems to arouse laughter then I really do wonder if we are dealing with true humans and I am starting to see Islam as a culture of dehumanisation and thus Muslims as untermenschen and who should be treated as such.

In my view the only way that a Muslim can prove that he is a human is by actively combatting jihadists or by converting, otherwise he is not.

Of course he could become a comedian but his continued survival would not be very certain.

P.P.S.: What good Muslim would not, in his heart of hearts, after reading my P.S. above, agree that this is what Islam is all about -- not only agree, but feel inspired and filled with pride and hope?

Jeez Zathras,
You are really ruining my understanding of the misunderstsanders of islam.

I wonder who will take up the challenge?

Come on moderates, prove em wrong and motivate your whole community!

Still waiting...

moose

tgusa I wouldn't worry as that post wont last long when Hugh sees it.

However the points about Muslim immaturity, sexual insecurity and total lack of a sense of humour as we see it were quite serious.

I always think it is funny that JW arouses such anger in its readers but we are still not permitted to sound like islamophobes or misoislamists, but to say that they are "nice people. just misdirected".

Becket should have written:"Waiting for the moderate Muslim".

Zathras,
I fully agree with you.. muslim immaturity, sexual insecurity and total lack of a sense of humor as we see it were quite serious. I was just being my usual sarcastic self. BTW. The moderate muslim does exist but he is in more danger than we are.

tgusa the moderate muslim is a like the inverse of a subatomic particle: a postulated entity that we can see and hear but whose presence cannot be proven by any possible use.

Unless they can actually demonstrate a useful effect it is as if they do not exist.

You are too kind to them as passivity versus jihadists is tacit agreement with their views in my opinion and whatever moderates say, while these sura are present and given credence no one can ever be safe from either them or the fanatics.

IMHO and hardline opinion Muslims are either jihadists or potential jihadists.

Zathras
I keep hoping against hope that they will come around, Being an American im sure you understand my desire to utterly hate my enemy before I make a move. And always with other Americans next to me shoulder to shoulder.

If Putin had any guts he would join the 'coalition of the willing' and send a 100 000 Russian special forces to Iraq to clean up...

Will Maliki grant amnesty to the killers?

Zathras,

If you're waiting, I think Godot will show up forst.

OT,
I want to welcome all FBI snoopers to J?W. Hope you pay attention for your countries sake.

tgusa...I understand your position and on a humanitarian basis I can agree with it.

But the whole concept of Islamic deceit and deception is based upon their enemy's belief in the perceived value of whatever offering forms the part of the deception.

We accept that there are thoss Muslims who say that they are against the violence and who disagree with the war sura in the Koran. Yet to disagree with ONE word is to apostasise and as their presence cannot be demonstrated by any visible or functional value, then it is as if they do not exist(hence my trite comparison above).

If we remove those Muslims who are dependent upon western aid/money/arms, then we are left with very few(if any) Muslims who actually are actively against the jihadists because they are against the war sura. In other words we can buy them for a short time but we cannot change them.

To myself the only evidence of moderate islam is the verbal expression of individuals and groups who are totally anonymous when any practical value of their supposed stance is taken into account. Thus, even though there are many people who would be decent human beings if they were NOT Muslims, the fact that they still are Muslims is in itself a contradiction of their stated postition. You canot be a Muslim and ignore parts of the Koran. Therefore there are no moderate Muslims. This is verified by their total lack of use or spontaneous function.

They depend upon our humanitarianism attitudes so as to weaken and undermine us. It has laways been so.

I wonder whether Pravda will change its tune now. In this article http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/05-06-2006/81526-kidnap-0, it strongly touts the idea that the US was behind the kidnappings!!

Other Pravda articles I've read on islam seem very pro-islam and anti-west.

Will Russia wake up now? Your little pet islamists do bite. Viciously.

Its time to wake up Ladies And Gentleman,
The Russians or the Chinese are not going to save us . We are, as always on our own. Suck it up and lets start taking care of ourselves

Maniacal, savage, gibbering bastards.

If they killed their enemies for military reasons*, and with military means**, instead of for theocratic totalitarian madness using demonically psychopathic methods, at least it would only be warfare as humans can "understand".

Instead, they excuse their sub-human bestiality with a 'holy' book that is laced with -and sanctions- the same demented behavior.

Note to Bush (Rice, et al).

It's the goddamned Koran, stupid!

__________________________________________________

*As revenge for Yeltsin's and Putin's ill-conceived and often brutal acts in Chechnya. Done against captured Russian coalition troops (if there were any such actors in Iraq), by guerrilla irregular combat.

** "Dispatching" their prisoners with one bullet and not the diseased methodology of a heartless lunatic's slaughterhouse.

In this pagan cult, infidels are viewed as the sacrificial lambs to the moon-god. If we lambs want to be wolves, we need to get on with it. The Islamic cult is a blot on the face of the earth and needs to be destroyed.

'Pravda' was never good for anything.

Even during the times of the Soviet empire the Pravda substituting for toilet-paper in the Moscow-subways would give you a severe skin-rash!

The creeps writing their BS in Pravda today are no better than the traitorous swine in the 'liberal western press' - that make all kinds of bizarre excuses not to print a few stupid Mohammed-cartoons, but cowardly weasel around it by the most obnoxious excuses!

Why does every dimwit in the world become a 'journalist' or a 'newscaster?'

Why are these bas#*d-turds sitting there in the white house press-room asking s*#t like "why did Zarquawi not get mouth- to- mouth...?"

In the real world somebody would whack them over the head with a lead filled snow- shoe and kick their asses out in the street where they would be hanged from the next lamp-post!

Sorry for the rant, but you can't excuse such behavior with "democracy & free speech..."

My dear cowderwelsh spewing posters,
you are repeating yourselves!!, but what you gonna do??
or are you in reality not much different from the muslim scum you despise so much?
loudmouthed and gutless ??

I suppose we could just sit here waiting for a Moderate Muslim(TM) to take up the Robert's challenge....

Well cosmicAvenger, what can we do? At this stage, as far as I can see: inform others, wake them up. Write to politicians and MSM to put islamism and the dangers of over-tolerant multiculturalism on their radar. Send some money to organisations we believe in, such as jihadwatch. Some people here have suggested boycotting muslim businesses.

And your suggestions?

Wonderfully useful comment cosmic avenger.

I suppose that you think we should only use diplomacy with jihadists and that they will be honest and forthright and fair and keep their promises?

The good thing about the high moral ground is that it makes you such an easy target: ask any preWW2 European Ashkenazy jew.

When people like you realise that this is a war of extermination, we might just have a chance of winning.

Think yourself very lucky that you never served in the pacific war as all idealists died on the first day.

Why dont you begin to learn parts of the trade of those jihadists, soon enough we will need people who know how to prepare fertilizer explosives, we will need listing all those mosques, we will need listings of scores of clerics manning mosques... plainly: we will be needing to defend ourselves!, and send those bastards to smithereens with their own methods, just like they are trying to use our methods to dismantle our society...
I know, sounds all quite militant, ...but I am quite convinced that is what they are... and they are ahead of us peaceloving folks, we will not be able to overcome them with words alone, we got to know how they operate.
And yes, I quite agree with a few posters that our military should invade Mecca and Medina, but they won´t... this conflict is our conflict, our politicians are utterly useless, you can vote different next time. That time passing is only a win for these common enemies... They are not trying to convince us with words, they blow us up!

Cosmic Avenger....I have a better idea:

go to this site:

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/russian_diplomats_executed_by_mujahedeen_shura_council_Jun_25_2006.html

watch the video, then come back and spout moral supremacy to us.

I will bet that you do not have the intestinal fortitude to watch it.

But for the racial features, rest is the same. HOW do they do this ?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Islam-with-Chinese-characteristics-begins-to-take-hold/2005/02/25/1109180112727.html?oneclick=true

Zathras, that site was disgusting. I got the distinct impression that its main focus was pornography! There's no way I could direct people to it if they wanted to understand what those beasts do. Isn't there a more politically-focused link?

The Commies' New Nightmare.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sinbad/5416877/

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=4166&date=20060625

zathras:
you dont seem to get the message:
I am a professional cameraman, many times did circumstances force me to make the hardest type of pictures for worldnews, you may even have seen the edited result at one time or another..

I am not talking about taking the moral high ground, I am talking about idiotic use of this forum by the users.

I really appreciate most of the posts here at JW/DW, but every so often some posters run out of juice and begin repeating themselves, repeating their statements from 6 weeks ago, yeah, I know, we´ve gotto let the newcomers in, but there are tons of archives in this forum, and I gather if someone really wants to know and has all the time to read up on it they´ll go for it (I did it myself too). But repeating the same old knowledge, re-chewing the same old stuff maybe using different formulations will waste time, and that is what we dont have: time!
We gotto come up with a step into the future every time! Be glad there is a Robert Spencer tackling this enormous job of managing this blog, be glad there is a Hugh Fitzgerald adding his vast knowledge to this forum, but repeating your line or viewpoint reminds me somewhat of my 4year old daughter who presently is learning her second language... But there I really understand . But here, folks, we need to get ahead... I do not want to become a dhimmi or prepare to die to leave my Kids in such a mess..

zathras:
you dont seem to get the message:
I am a professional cameraman, many times did circumstances force me to make the hardest type of pictures for worldnews, you may even have seen the edited result at one time or another..

I am not talking about taking the moral high ground, I am talking about idiotic use of this forum by the users.

I really appreciate most of the posts here at JW/DW, but every so often some posters run out of juice and begin repeating themselves, repeating their statements from 6 weeks ago, yeah, I know, we´ve gotto let the newcomers in, but there are tons of archives in this forum, and I gather if someone really wants to know and has all the time to read up on it they´ll go for it (I did it myself too). But repeating the same old knowledge, re-chewing the same old stuff maybe using different formulations will waste time, and that is what we dont have: time!
We gotto come up with a step into the future every time! Be glad there is a Robert Spencer tackling this enormous job of managing this blog, be glad there is a Hugh Fitzgerald adding his vast knowledge to this forum, but repeating your line or viewpoint reminds me somewhat of my 4year old daughter who presently is learning her second language... But there I really understand . But here, folks, we need to get ahead... I do not want to become a dhimmi or prepare to die to leave my Kids in such a mess..

Zathras:
I bet you never had to wash your socks from other peoples blood because you stood in puddles of it...

americaningermany,
There was an article today in the Times of India about this. There was a pic of female imams, complete in tarps, walking the streets of West China. Gave me the shivers. The article is here, but they have not posted the image along with this.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1679063.cms

It's only a matter of time before these chinese muslims become more like arab muslims. It is always a slow transition at first, then turns into a faster and faster pace and then suddenly they are complaining the government won't let them do .....you name it and start blowing things up. Fighting for an independant country, and so on... It's always the same, everywhere. It's just a matter of how fast the transition is.

These female muslims are still using the same book.

Cosmic avenger my apologies then as I thought from your tone and your name that you were another liberal fifth columnist here. I should have known better as I have seen your name here before but I was hungry and took the bait :D

And yes, I have stood on a floor with over 2cm of very slippery blood on it, and I have also had my best friend's brains splattered all over me and I spent another hour holding another friend's intestines with my fingers clamping the 2 bleeding arteries until the casevac came. He survived but lost both his hands and his sense of humour and he is still angry at me for doing it (as I exposed myself to fire) although his family are not. In all cases I was scared sh*tless (mea culpa Hughie :))

Someone made the classical comment here once that "there are no atheists in trenches". My attitude was that if god allowed this then I would rather not know him. Please no-one expand on this as it is only my view.

Zathras:
apologies too, I really do not want to compete about these horrors, slowly growing old too, and rather pass such assignments to younger colleagues who are horny for the "footage"..

Lili...my apologies about the site but it is the only easy to find site for such disgusting videos
(I have no idea about the pornography but would guess that it is not exactly in the same class as the beheading ones).

I have no idea about other sites as it was the first one that came up upon my search but I guess that there may well be others.

The title made it obvious to which one I was referring and no one made you look elsewhere as I certainly did not and to be cowardly honestI did not even watch the one whose URL I posted as I have seen one before and that is still enough as it made me sick then.

I see nothing wrong with shooting those who surrender in a combat situation but killing or beheading prisoners in a noncombat situation is barbaric and there is no excuse.

americaningermany...if I say what I truly think about Islam and Muslims, Hugh will instantly delete it.

I would hazard a guess that 90% of the posters here all agree on this, but, like what Hugh terms:"unnecessary vulgarities" it is not permitted here as we have to be seen to be civilised and to not throw the grenade back but to throw ourselves upon it.

Zathras-

Would "bloodthirsty, mindless, loathesome, demented, soul-less, vicious, gutless, barbaric, sub-human, pus-brained beasts" not work in place of simple four-letter portraits of these purulent pieces of humanoid protoplasm? And therefore not be subject to deletion?

I forced myself to watch one of these cruel videos (with the sound off) only because the victim was a relatively nearby neighbor of mine (I won't say which poor soul) and I thought it was incumbent upon me to bare witness to what these heartless, homicidal bastards had done to a guy who didn't live that far away me (I took flowers to his family shortly after the murder).

I won't look at another, but everyone should open their eyes to one- if you can handle it- to fully grasp the nakedly monstrous nature of this enemy.

Cosmic Avenger-

Solid suggestions for further work instead of shrill criticism of the struggling workers is more effective.

What's your action plan?

Pamphleteering? Contacting talk radio and your representatives constantly? Visiting a local mosque to seem that you are interested in possibly "reverting" and asking for instructions in Islam? Links to sites to help the anti-jihad?

profitsbeard...it is not what I would call them (however accurate is your description of it) that would worry hugh as I am capable of using nonvulgar adjectives. Instead, it is if I described exactly what I would do, that would evoke the red ink wrath of Hugh

Alarmed Pig Farmer writes: "Name me another belief system that has a violent pejorative for all who don't believe in that system, and threaten disbelievers with subjugation or death if they don't submit."

All totalitarian ideologies are like that: Nazis referred to unbelievers as "race traitors" or "subhumans"; Communists referred to unbelievers as "exploiters" and "bourgeois capitalists". And in both cases, anyone tagged with that label had to be in fear of his life.

Zathras has asked if there are any Muslim comedians. There are starting to be, which I take as a positive sign. The Arab-American Comedy Festival has gone on tour with such jokes as:

"Every other ethnic group has events that illustrate their culture. Black people have Black History Month; Hispanics have Hispanic History Month. What do our people have? Orange Alert!" Ha-ha!

Shazia Mirza is a stand-up Muslim comedienne who performs for young Muslim audiences. She likes to make jokes about 9-11: "Hi, I'm Shazia Mirza. At least that's what it says on my pilot's license!" Ha-ha!

As I have been saying for years now, Islam incorporates first-degree murder into its core ideology and taken as an ideological whole clearly is tantamount to conspiracy to commit multiple homicides. What more will it take to convince the world of this? Extinction??

Muslims are just playing al-lah's favorite tune...'5 Billion People Screaming in Unison as the Earth Goes Dark!'

zathras-

I think a single bullet, quickly applied to the occipital area, is what you need to do to such psychically-hydrophobic beasts. I consider them hopelessly insane, and it is unnecessary and superfluously cruel to torture the mad. Putting them out of their (and the world's) misery, fast, is the most humane course.

They don't deserve any more of our time wasted on them, even for deeply deserved revenge.

The strategic application of posthumous pork products to their remains in order to battle their superstitions, however, I fully subscribe to.

Psyops is half the war.

profitsbeard...EXACTLY!!!

When are we going to start to treat this plague?

I cannot believe that politicians who can send their young men off to die are so squeamish with regards to humanitarian abuse on noncitizens. So it has to be money which stops the effective treatment of the plague and nothing else: oil money.

Time is now devoted to occasional deletion of remarks that are mere expressions of emotion, that do no good, that harm the site. Why continue? Why risk being prevented from posting at all? What's the point? A hundred thousand sites allow posters to tell the world how much they, those posters, hate X or Y or Z, offering bloodcurdling threats, or how much they love X or Y or Z, with equally disturbing expressions of eternal love.

For those who like that sort of thing, find those hundred thousand websites.

Robert,
You are right to challenge"moderate" Muslims to come up with evidence they are main stream.

Unfortunately, the Qur'an doesn't give them much wiggle room.

The 4th sura says" Muslims who sit idle are not equal to those who fight Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has exalted those who fight for Islam."

The 2nd sura says" JIhad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite."

It seems as if there are no "moderate" Muslims, only those who let someone do the fighting for them. Bieng moderate is a good way to get killed.

Cosmic Avenger:

All that we can accomplish by posting here is 1-)educate each other on the nature of Islam and what we can do to combat it on the home front and on the world stage and
2-) encourage each other to contact our government representatives and discuss America's choices in combating Islam on the world stage and pass legislations in light of these options.

And that's about it.

But it does beat sitting home watching reality TV or getting sloshed at the local pub and drowning democracy's present sorrows in a sea of Coors or something.