The forces of defeatism and appeasement continue to ignore the perfectly legitimate strategic reasons for getting out of Iraq, which Hugh Fitzgerald has explained here a thousand times, and to play politics with our national defense.
From the Washington Times, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Some Democrats, breaking ranks from their leadership, today said the death of terrorist leader Abu Musab Zarqawi in Iraq was a stunt to divert attention from an unpopular and hopeless war."This is just to cover Bush's [rear] so he doesn't have to answer" for Iraqi civilians being killed by the U.S. military and his own sagging poll numbers, said Rep. Pete Stark, California Democrat. "Iraq is still a mess -- get out."
Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich, Ohio Democrat, said Zarqawi was a small part of "a growing anti-American insurgency" and that it's time to get out.
"We're there for all the wrong reasons," Mr. Kucinich said.
Well, in many ways, yes, Mr. Kucinich, but not for the wrong reasons you think.
'the death of terrorist leader Abu Musab Zarqawi in Iraq was a stunt to divert attention '
In other words, they are claiming that the US military (read: Bush) could have killed Zarqawi at any time they wished, but waited on orders from the top.
Pretty much the same way they claim Saddam was 'found' in that spider-hole- he was put there for the photo op.
Pathetic. And too damn many people will buy into it.
ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL!!!
What losers!!!
Give that man a pill!
But what ever you do keep him talken!!
ROTFL
Thanks for reminding us, Congressmen, why, bad as the Administration is, you losers are even worse.
Pete Stark is an idiot. We'll kill the jihadists whenever we can, regardless of who is up for re-election.
On the other hand, Kucinich is right about the "growing insurgency" (read: jihad), and right that we should get out of Iraq. We didn't have peace-keeping troops trying to build roads and schools and electric power plants in Berlin in 1941, and we shouldn't have our troops helping the Iraqis in 2006. Declare victory, pull out, and let Zarqawi's fellow religionists do what they will with each other.
Special_guest, I suspect Iran will be on Iraq's doorstep as soon as we are gone. However I do agree, it is time to get out.
Gary, I agree with you about Iran. And then when the Sunni Saudis come to help their Sunni brothers in Iraq, things will start to get interesting. Let Iraq merge with Iran. Let Syria and Lebanon and Libya join. Then stand back and watch Islamic brotherhood in action.
There's no need for our troops to get in the middle of them all.
At least they are consistant. Once again good news for the US and the coalition equals bad news for the Democrats, and bad news for the US and the coalition equals good news for the Democrats. Any way you look at it, so many Democrats and Bush-haters want to see our country fail in order to promote their brand of "leadership". I really liked this US News and World Report Article: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060612/12barone.htm
Kucinich is a creep. Bush is just doing his job!
I know I'm OT here but this is the level of denial by Muslims in Canada , they know the 17 Jihadists are guilty so to cover a ass they reverted to the classic tripe that CAIR uses.
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The suspects in Ontario may have Islamic names and call themselves Muslims but they have nothing to do with Islam and its belief in peace, he said.
Joundi was still waiting yesterday afternoon for police to respond to the mosque break-in. He hopes police will increase patrols in the area.
Other Winnipeg Muslims share Joundi's concern.
"We dread and fear what's going to happen now," said Rehman Abdulrehman, 30. There was a sense of relief that officials have made the arrests but that's being replaced by the fear there will be retaliation against average Muslim citizens, he said. It's already started, said Abdulrehman.
"There were racist comments like 'go back home' and 'terrorist.'"
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So lets all forget about the possible 5-10'000 civilians they planned to slaughter and remain calm to put this in perspective , the REAL issue is that we must focus on not hurting the feelings of Muslims because it will only created more terrorists that give Islam a bad name.
Are Muslims that predisposed to killing that the slightest offense towards Allah and Muhammed trigger a chip-overload in the brain and have no choice but to burn cars,firebomb Jewish temples,and buy 3 tonnes of explosives to perform a mass-murder of females and children.
The common denominator for the "Brampton 17" is the Quran , not poverty, not oppression, not racism or any of the other excuses.
But somehow Muslims managed to blame the victim and want Canada to review what we are doing to create terrorist and killers.
No doubt these moderate Imams visit Shelters for abused spouses and ask them " So...What do you think you did to your husband that made him become violent and assault you?"
Odd that he was killed on the anniversary of Mohammed's death...(for the conspiracy nuts)
Symbolic retribution?
Ugh, democrats. They need to go the way of the Dodo. I know some of the folks that have been looking for Abu Musab for a while now and I'm sure they'll be the first ones to admit, "yeah, it was a stunt to help boost the Bush administration's public image". Actually the quote I got from one of my buddy's email messages today was "gotcha bitch!" a-la Dave Chapelle. One down, about a billion to go.
Days of painstaking surveillance, two 500-lb. bombs, and over a dozen follow-up raids.
This was all just a stunt, according to the Democrats: the military equivalent of jumping into a swimming pool from a balcony (and not missing), kidnapping Niedermeyer's horse, etc., etc.
And this stunt was performed to distract from the larger war, including, the segment of the insurgency led by Zarqawi.
So the US killed Zarqawi to distract from the fact that the US had hitherto not yet killed him.
So the US killed Zarqawi to distract from the fact that the US had hitherto not yet killed him.
EXACTLY!! (I'm gonna fall out of the chair!)
Some group or other is screaming bloody murder because we posted his dead mug shot.Violation of the Geneva Convention!! Okay - but why weren't those same folks screaming bloody murder when the world watched the pyscho behead Nick Berg (and others)??
Logic and consistency just seem to be beyond some people. It appears that many of them are Democrats.
RE getting out and Iran rushing in. With all the conflicts the Islamic world is involved in worldwide, they are killing each other off at a pretty good clip. If you've seen the male-female ratio stats lately, they have a big shortage of females of child bearing age. No matter how you cut it up, takes 9 months to produce one and at least 14 years to raise him to jihad age, so they are approaching the point of self-immolation. More internecine rivalry in their world can only be a good thing.
Dennis Kucinich is both a pacifist and panderer to the Muslim community. In February 2002, only 5 months after 9-11, Kucinich gave a speech to the Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) in which he demanded that the U.S. call off military action against al-Qaeda. Not Iraq mind you, because that was still a year away--but stop the war against al-Qaeda:
"Let us pray that our country will stop this war.
"Our Congress gave the President the ability to respond to the tragedy [notice he called it a "tragedy" not a "terrorist attack"] of September 11. We licensed a response to those who helped bring the terror of September 11th. But we the people and our elected representatives must reserve the right to measure the response, to proportion the response, to challenge the response, and to correct the response....
"We did not authorize the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan.
"We did not authorize permanent detainees in Guantanamo Bay.
"We did not authorize the withdrawal from the Geneva Convention.
"We did not authorize an eye for an eye.
"Nor did we ask that the blood of innocent people, who perished on September 11, be avenged with the blood of innocent villagers in Afghanistan."
I guess Kucinich never realized that when you fight a major war, civilians get killed.
As for Kucinich's sucking up to the Muslim community, this website, "Muslims For Kucinich," should be self-explanatory after you peruse it:
http://www.muhajabah.com/muslims4kucinich/
Illiberals everywhere have been calling the Zarqawi news a hoax.
Read Zarqawi's Death from the Illiberals' Perspective.
Steven L.--
I just remembered after reading your post: Kucinich also once called for the establishment of a Department of Peace in the US gov't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Peace
(How about a Department of "No"?)
I have a couple questions for the more militarily savey readers of this blog.
First of all, let me say I am very pleased Zarqawi has been exterminated.
My problem is with the pictures.
Why are there pictures of Zarqawi?
Why wasn't he vaporized?
Why wasn't he blowed up real good?
There were supposed to be two 500 Lb bombs used in the attack - I assume they were lazer guided by the looks of the aerial footage. That's 1000 lbs of TNT!
I keep seeing pictures of people walking around some ruble - where is the 50 ft hole?
I just need somebody with military ordinace experience to explain it to me.
Thanks,
CD Baric
I disagree as usual. While I do NOT agree with the democrats in this case, I want to point out that conservatives in the US have caused immense (and probably irreversible) damage to the war against Islam. Their underhanded attacks, and mean spirited nature has done immense harm to our republic. They have trampled the very constitution of the nation whose flag they portend to be so concerned about (burning). They have the audacity to question the patriotism of someone opposed to this stupid war.
Conservatives in the US have become so hysterical and so mean spirited it is turning many off here where I live. I live in a very conservative area. Many voters are considering voting democratic due to the anger they feel. Your endless attacks on gays, feminists and persons of other races have grown to such a pitch that many people are secretly unable to bear it any longer. I am referring to deep conservatives my friends. They are completely turned off. Take as an example the senseless attacks on "victomology" from Ann Coulter (and so many on this blog). In her new book, she is reported to be have the audacity to call four 9/11 widows, witches, who are happy their husbands died! Have you ever sat in a legislative session; it’s all about victomology. My friends, have you ever sat in a civil trial, or a town hall meeting? Human nature is about grievances and remedies; give and take. My God, have you people lost all notions of humanity?
Whatismore, conservatives have so heavily intermixed their own religious baggage with the war on Islam they have undermined the very arguments that should now be resonating throughout the US. In the process of attacking Islam, you have stepped on so many shoes that you will create a huge backlash. The people will undoubtedly, and unfortunately, see the battle against Islam as a battle belonging almost exclusively to G.W. Bush. It’s a shame you guys dropped the ball. Now it wont be easy to convince people of the dangers of Islam or of countries like Iran after the disasters the conservatives have brought upon us all. You did a lot to weaken us and not unite us.
Bush fought in Iraq when we should always have been in Iran (and so many other places). Conservatives are embarrassed over their war and now are increasingly calling for a withdrawal with a declaration of victory so they can save face. The truth is we did not belong in that country. We DO belong in Iran. Now you can't convince the US populace due to your misadventures. You have caused irreparable harm. So who caused harm to the US?
Unfortunately, there is a war to fight. I will fight it but I will fight those who have weakened us as well. Now tell me, how on earth can we keep the pace on the war on terror after this mess? The conservatives have been an abysmal failure in the US. Now, persons like myself have to convince liberals about Islam. It won't be easy now after what has been done by some.
blazar-jet: Is it possible that al-Zarqawi's body was reconstructed for the taking of the photographs we saw? In all honesty, Zarqawi's (or whosever it was) corpse was in bad enough condition and looked as though it met with a violent end (I'm not sorry if it WAS al-Zarqawi who died, believe me). It may just be that at the time of the blasts he was positioned under a wall or something that sheltered him from the brunt of the heat and force of the explosions.
The Democrats aka demoncrats are almost worse than the enemy, as they are turncoats. you cannot leave iraq now, at least till their army is capable of doing most of the killing of the insurgents. also for what ever reasons you feel about Bush bringing the military to iraq, you have to say that is has brought up the islam hornet's next especially in Western countries, such as G.Britain, and now Canada. the islamist ugly face is being uncovered for what it is, a death cult. they the islamaist cannot control themselves, and now wakening up the Western countries to the false doctrines of Islam.
l mean how many times can they say "islam is a religion of peace, as they amass an arsenal of weapons and bomb making materials? l feel by fighting them in iraq we are keeping the war in their lands as well. its is both costly in our brave young men's lives and monetary, but like some says earlier, freedom is not free.
The Democrats' high-profile anti-Bush smearing tactics, carping, and (unfounded) accusations are a publicity stunt, too. Only these folks are just too dumb to figure that out, it appears. What the Democrats SHOULD HAVE BEEN able to figure out from the polls is that the American public CAN assess their tactics for what they are (smear tactics that are aimed at but unlikely to succeeed in boosting their overall popularity).
America is sorely in need of a credible major third political party. The Democrats (in particular) aren't cutting it. We need help.
Dennis J. Kucinich is a vegan moonbat freakshow.
Any politician who defends a murderous butcher like Zarqawi is a bona fide traitor during war.
blazar-jet,
Are you skeptical that the military is lying because the actual cause of death is less than glamorous, no big bang involved? Maybe he just fell down a flight of stairs?
I happen to be against the profoundly misguided action in Iraq. I wish we had never gone in and I hope that we get out as soon as we can without appearing to be defeated.
Having said that, and honoring our courageous soldiers there who are doing the best they can in impossible conditions... The death of this vile jehadist thug Zarqawi is Good News. Plus they got about 7 more like him in the same strike. And they then raided another 17 or so 'safehouses' the same network used, and killed and captured some more. It looks like al-Qaeda in Iraq has been dealt a crushing blow. Good News indeed.
But of course there is still the Sunni/shiite/Kurd divide, that great chasm of sectarian hatred which threatens to burst into open civil war anyday now. I do NOT want our soldiers in the middle of all that when it really hits the fan.
We've done more than enough for that sand trap already. They've got their new government semi-agreed on now; Let them deal with things. Give a timetable of withdrawing over the next year and let's get the hell out of there while we can.
Sadly, though many democrats may agree with most of what I've written above here, too many of them suffer the psychosis of thinking that George Bush, as dumb as he can be, is as bad as Bin Laden or Zarqawi. He's not. He's a well-intentioned fool which is much better than a vicious killer like Zarqawi. Even Nicholas, got beheaded, Berg's pathetic father is too blinded by politics to know the difference. Sad.
blazar-jet,
You wouldn't really have to drop a bomb right on a target to destroy it, the overpressure/shock wave created when the device explodes would be enough to turn your insides into jelly were you close enough to it when it goes off, especially in a confined space, if it didn't take you apart at the seams anyway. I'll offer my armchair theory and suggest a combination of two high-order explosions and falling/flying debris did Abu in. Just my 'two-cents'.
I beg to differ with "special guest" and his post above. Let me begin by stating that many on this weblog would do well to obtain and begin reading the books of Bat Ye'or and Andrew G. Bostom, M.D., because contained within their very scholarly tomes about jihad and dhimmitude is an historical pattern we dare not repeat. Persians and Byzantines both underestimated this enemy. No doubt they laughed at these bedhouin savages conducting their initial razzias out of the Arabian peninsula. There was more than meets the eye in this narrative. For starters, both empires were exhausted from many years of militarily slamming into each other. They didn't want any more wars for awhile. Each had internal divisions over politics and religion and many factions actually tried to use the Muslims to gain advantage. There was appeasement and isolationism aplenty. All of these ingredients you will also find in our own age. The net effect was to let Islam gain traction, which in turn enabled it to go on to conquer the known world in less than two hundred years.
My vision for how Iraq serves us strategically is different from GWB's. Initially, I too was smitten by Natan Sharansky's siren song, but the more I learned about Islam and the more I have been observing the behavior of the various antagonists within Iraq the more I have come to the conviction that Islam and liberal democracy are not compatible. However, I do believe there is merit in having a "lily pad" in the ME, from which we can operate out of when the time comes to give Iran the big smack down. And I believe the Iraqi Kurds are going to be very steady allies for the long run. Furthermore, I am prepared to even entertain the notion that we should choose sides in an Iraqi civil war - against the Sunni Arabs. We should favor the Shi'a, for example, as a way of exercising realpolitik against Iran.
Iran is now the most powerful Islamic nation. We must not allow Islamic power to gain traction ever again. I believe it would be immoral to selfishly advocate a kind of isolationism in the face of this growing threat. We need to have land areas out of which we can operate. Otherwise, our options devolve to the nuclear one, which I consider to be not in our best interest. A few dozen hydrogen bombs over Iran would contaminate a lot of real estate way beyond the borders of dar al Islam. It just isn't worth it. I would prefer to use conventional means when confronting Iran BEFORE they get the bomb. If they get the bomb, MAD becomes operative and I am not sure they have the same instincts for self-preservation as the Soviets had.
I think the Left is feeling.....left out?
They make me sick......Now the news keeps showing the Iraqi soliders "celebrating" the death of al-(ka-blewy)Zarqawi by dancing and holding guns in the air. I wonder if Fox News and CNN will show the footage of Muslims in the Middle East who were celebrating after the attacks on 9/11.
Patriot_1/17
Know the Enemy, Know yourself.
The left cost just doesn't have a clue to the real world. It must be all of the pollution and drugs that they have inhaled for years.
Thank you all that responded (and armchaired) your theory.
I am very happy Zarqawi is dead. I am celebrating with a very nice Canadian whiskey on ice.
I just do not understand how even a shred of Zarqawi could survice that kind of attack.
I read that today Israel killed another Islamic butcher Abu Samhadana by blowing him up with a missile.
Now, my understanding about missiles is they have a very tiney payload, less than 25 lbs of actual explosives and yet all that was left of 'ol Abu was a pool of blood and some scraps of flesh.
No body, no face, no fingerprints, just a really big bug smear where that prick died.
Let me quote the news report: "In the darkness, illuminated only by flashlights, a small pool of blood could be seen staining the ground, and people lifted pieces of flesh to bury them with Abu Samhadana."
Now compare that with the US report on the raid on Zarqawi's safe house - two 500 lb precision guided bombs (propably a GBU-12 Paveway II laser guided free fall bomb).
Now, unless Zarqawi was actually about 500 feet away from the center of force, he should have been nothing but a smelly mist in the afternoon air.
I commend the destruction of Zarqawi but my BS meter is running in the red.
CD Baric
Fred, from your post I'm not really sure what you disagree about: That we should not be building Iraqi infrastructure at great cost to ourselves? That our troops should not be placed in between the different factions fighting each other for power within Iraq? That Pete Stark is an idiot?
blazar-jet said
I too saw the pictures of Zarqawi and thought, "he doesn't look too bad". A little blood in the nose, that's it. But I'm assuming that's a sanitized photo, for the media to display while people are having their dinner. From the photo, who can tell how the rest of him looked, or even if his head was still attached to the rest of him.
But if you think it's fake, what would the U.S. gain by faking Zarqawi's death? I've seen enough of your postings to know you're not of the "Mossad controls the US government" mindset. Not having dropped too many 500lb. bombs on houses to see what effect they would have on the inhabitants, I'm willing to trust the statements of the U.S. military on this.
PS - Someone is going to get the 25 million dollar reward for turning Zarqawi in. I hope the soldier who laser-painted the house to guide the bomb in gets a little extra in their paycheck too.
Was listening to a BBC report on ABC Radio (leftwing, publicly funded) here in Sydney this morning re Zarqawi...the mournful, sombre tone of the reporters was obvious, not like the glee in which they report 'insurgent' attacks or Haditha type incidents. The Western Left really is depraved.
"The forces of defeatism and appeasement continue to ignore the perfectly legitimate strategic reasons for getting out of Iraq, which Hugh Fitzgerald has explained here a thousand times, and to play politics with our national defense."
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It's all poltical at this point for both sides.
Problem is for the President and some of the president's admirers is the leftists who will gloat like pigs if Bush draws down like he should so we can attack Iran.
The victims of these idealoges are spent blood of our finest but also wasted money from the taxpayers to Iraq coffers in the interm - which which be destoryed by the invetable next war. Pride is killing our boys at this point.
This just makes my point that people with dementia should not hold public office.
From an article at Frontpagemagazine, we find out that tens of thousands of illegal immigrants from terror-sponsoring or terrorist-harboring nations are in the U.S.:
The article lists says some of these people are pretending to be Hispanics, adopting Spanish surnames. The article also lists steps that must be taken to fix the whole immigration problem that is allowing illegal Middle Eastern immigrants to enter.
My problem is with the pictures.
Why are there pictures of Zarqawi?
Why wasn't he vaporized?
Why wasn't he blowed up real good?
.....where is the 50 ft hole?
1. To prove he's dead and that they got the right guy. In that part of the world, even with the photos, there will be people who say he never existed or is still alive, perhaps both at one time.
2. I hear he was in a basement. But even if he wasn't, bombs don't always blow people to tiny bits, even when they strike nearby. The overpressure does nasty things to anyone in close though.
3. Same as above. Even suicide bombers wearing pounds of C-4 usually leave a fairly intact head. Yassin was hit by a Hellfire fired at a small car. Though his brains were leaking, you could still see his face.
4. The bombs were guided in by a laser target designator. It's possible they glided in on an angle. The bombs were not penetrators, just ordinary 500 lb bombs, more than enough for a small standing structure.
There may be a hole, but if there is it's covered by the rubble from the building collapse. My feeling is that the bomb came in at an angle and detonated inside the building. Penetrators are bombs which always leave giant holes in the ground.
But I find myself wondering, is there any simple story which won't create an instant flood of conspiracy theories?
That's Zarqawi the headchopper. Now he's dead. Next?
Let Iraq merge with Iran. Let Syria and Lebanon and Libya join. Then stand back and watch Islamic brotherhood in action.
posted by special_guest
LOL. My thoughts exactly special_guest. The fun begins with iran trying to take over iraq. Heck, they have been massacering each other for centuries. Let us just give them a free hand. :)
Ala-sux: Your best post yet:
Imam 'visiting' a women's shelter:
" So...What do you think you did to your husband that made him become violent and assault you?"
and this one:
"We dread and fear what's going to happen now," said Rehman Abdulrehman, 30. ...the fear there will be retaliation against average Muslim citizens, he said..."
The 'backlash' - the dreaded 'backlash'... if only!!!!!!
They are afraid that we will finally, at long last, do what's necessary and inevitable: Round 'em up and ship 'em out!
Nothing else will bring and end to the jihad, nothing else will make infidels sleep at night without having to worry about being blown up, stoned or having our throats cut by the soldiers of Islam.
They are overdue! Lets get on with it and intern them, sort 'em out and transport them back to Arabian desert FOC, the cheapest and the only solution that works...
Assalamau-Laikum all,
I want to congrulate all who were part of this mission ...We got all the news in detail here in Lahore and I was quite impressed with it's efficiency...the butcher of Bagdad is no more.
However not so efficient when you consider other facts.
The Amereki have been after this man for 3 years, spend 300billion of your dollars...using the most sophisticated survillence possible today...and it still required a tip from a traitor ...possibly one of his own mens.
His spiritual mentor went too....indeed even Allah had had enough of this butcher....and got the infedel to do his bidding.
The Amereki came in 3 years ago on the pretext of WMD...didn't find them....no mandate for regime change...but did it....no mandate for killing 1500 innocents every month ...but it still happens.
Ofcourse it will be interesting to see how the successes of the Amereki pan out.
A string of the most dangerous man sent to their maker, only to be replaced by others.
No visible in the quality of life of the iraqi...but that is not the Ameriki goal. I believe the goal is one of fighting of the future oil wars on "away" soil and not "home" soil.
Much will depend however on who wins your next presedential election.
The Amereki does not hold all the cards though, A lot will also depend on whether Al-Q decides to play ball your way. I am NO fan of Al-Q, they harm the way of Islamic peace....we don't need the violence...Islam can dominate without resorting to such sub-human tactics...if only they could see the future the way I see it...Islam would be home & dry without even trying.
In concluding....
1) How many more billions to spend? The Amereki needs to go home...but won't with Iranian posturing.
2) While the Ameriki stays, the violence will never die down....that is most unfortunate for the Iraqi muslims ...because they are the ones who get killed in the majority. Indeed Allah works in mysterious ways.
However, I wish you all peace & safe journey "home". Even those who have chosen to take Iraqi muslim womens for their wives.
Whether you will be dogged by Al-Q on that journey home...only time will tell.
"stunt"..."faked"...."staged"....
Oh, for the love of cheese!!! Isn't it obvious to even the most off-the-wall conspiracy theorists that if Bush was indeed the diabolical "stuntman", "faker", "stager", etc. they claim he is, he would've simply planted WMD in the uninhabited deserts of Iraq, unseen by anyone, and then "find" and showcase them to the world as proof he was right about invading Iraq? So why DIDN'T he, huh? Especially when doing so would've scored him WAAAAAY more political points and been a helluva lot easier than all the faked 9/11s-Zarqawis-spiderholedSaddams-bombings put together times a hundred?!? But noooo, he un-conspiratorially admits that "we did not find those weapons....much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong."
I stood against the war, attending the rallies, joining the community groups, marching the protests. But hearing these incessant wacko conspiracy theories in the midst of all this was too much for me, making me run towards the "other side", never to look back.
And yet the sub-human violence persists. Say all you want about "Amereki's" inability to stop it, her weakness, her impotence, despite all her billions and technology. After all, what more should Muslims expect from those who are of the "non-believing way"?
But what then does this say about Islam? "Dominate", you say? On the contrary. Islam just sits there, just as impotent, just as helpless, just as unable to do anything, just like the feeble "Amereki" you mock. It's been 3 years and what has Islam done with Iraq? Islam (like "Amereki") hasn't been able to stop the violence. Islam hasn't been able to stop the killing. Islam hasn't been able to stop "Amereki" from ruining Iraq. Why? Is it Allah's will? If it is, why blame "Amereki" for doing what Allah wills? If it isn't, is Allah weak?
But perhaps you will say, if only everyone follows true Islam, there would be no violence. Of course! But it can also be said, if only everyone follows true democracy or true Christianity or true Buddhism or true Hinduism, there would also be no violence. For it is only the violent ones of ANY belief system who are the false practitioners of their belief systems, right? Like those "Christian" abortion-clinic bombers!
Why? Will Islam only work if "Ameriki" moves her fat butt out of the way? Hardly what I call a dominating force, this Islam. Nevertheless I agree that the "Ameriki" needs to go home. That way, I can switch places with you and see how Islam will do better than "Amereki" in transforming Iraq into the spiritual, non-violent utopia that Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Pakistan (at least the NWFP) are today. But alas how can Islam do this without "Amereki" when you said....
....and ....
So Allah needs "Amereki" to do his bidding? Why doesn't Allah just strike all of AQ-I with bird flu? Why does He need "Ameriki's" help at all? Is He not Almighty, Omniscient? Can not He who drowned the mighty Egyptian army in the Red Sea to save the Israelites be able to kill one butcherous Zarqawi whom He "had had enough of" with one 500-lb. heavenly Black-Stone meteorite?
There were supposed to be two 500 Lb bombs used in the attack - I assume they were lazer guided by the looks of the aerial footage. That's 1000 lbs of TNT!
I keep seeing pictures of people walking around some ruble - where is the 50 ft hole?
I'm not sure what bombs they used, but the Mk82 500lb bomb only contains 192lb of explosive.
Asslaamu Laikum Yada
You say "So Allah needs "Amereki" to do his bidding?"
NOOOOOO....never assume that Allah needs the Amrikan. He CHOOSES as he wishes. It could have been a lighting strike, or even drowning while drinking a glass of water.
He chooses....never forget!
another good reason for Bush to keep US fight in iraq, more muslims are killing muslims for all the world to see this so called religion of peace. Islam is death to all. the final death throes of any culture/religion is the glorifying of death, and their so called god controls everything they do. This takes their choice good and bad and responsibilty away from them. they have become children and monsters. even the test of democratic values will destroy islam. the muslim cult and its people will remian inferior so long as they embrace islam. Bush is just hastening their demise.
Naseem is right. We should stop being so ineffecient with our powerful military against an enemy that hides behind its women and children and lies and a religion: we should start taking out entire city blogs in Iraq when a monster is hiding among people that want to keep it hidden.
We should send missiles into Tehran and level all their nuclear facilities this morning, too.
We should remove out troops from all Muslim nations after that.
We should stop sending money and aid to Muslim nations.
We should deport all the Muslims in the United States tomorrow.
We should stop any Muslims that aren't here for diplomatic reasons from entering the United States.
Muslim students? They go home with the rest of the deportees.
Yes, let's start being more "efficient".
Mighty MOs message of death has been carried on for centuries. The current state of American presence in Iraq in no way altered mighty MOs death wishes. Islams members currently kill each other at the rate of at least 10-50 per day every day. AND this is just in Bagdad, worldwide the death toll is higher. The cost of converting a death cult to one of free choice is high. I suspect the current state of affairs with all this Islamic violence is a desperate attempt to install Islam in as many countries as possible before the oil runs out. When the oil runs out Islam has no hold over the world. And guess who then holds the cards___the USA of course. we have just as much oil as the Middle East, only our politicians will not allow us to drill and process it. We are saving our oil for another time. perhaps all this commotion is about oil after all.
exsgtbrown,
I think you have oil. Lots of it. If this is true.
http://www.stansberryonline.com/OIL/20060515-OIL-COL.asp?pcode=EOILG608&alias=200604OIL-49
arjun.sevak - "true" about the Colorado oil shale deposit is somewhat relative. Does it exist? Yup, for sure it does. The problem is that no one has yet figured a cost-effective way to get the oil out of the rocks. The attempt was abandoned back a couple of decades ago but now some are giving things a second look. And of course there are the huge environmental issues involved in digging up Colorado and processing it for oil production.
That particular link though, sure looks like a "get rich quick" scam to me. The "publisher" get rich quick that is.
Kucinich anad Stark should be treated as the traitors they are.
I don't understand why they feel disagreeing with Bush means undermining what is going on in Iraq. Many Dem's again show their true colors.
I am a Republican (former independent pre 9-11) and I have serious misgivings about being in Iraq. I am not particularly fond of the present GOP leadership.
Having said all of that, the Dem's have yet to give me a reason to support them. If its between aligning myself with people like Kucinich or supporting Bush, my back is really against the wall and I have to support Bush, as the present Democrat alternatives are frightening.
Where's the Osama stunt?
Or are they saving that stunt for November?
Stunt away!
Naseem:
As long as Muslims continue to surreptitiously invade our lands with intentions of "converting" westerners to Islam through acts of extreme violence (committed by "sleeper cells") and/or other despicable tactics we Americans WILL be on the attack in the Islamic world and your people will pay--oil or no (btw--I don't believe Afghanistan is especially well-endowed with petroleum reserves, although I could be wrong).
Have a nice day.
Foehammer
Hammer on - we do need to be more efficient.
Profitsbeard
I too would like to see the Osama or Ayman stunt - maybe they could save it for November 1 2006 and November 1 2008.
As for the comment on the bomb not vaporizing the yahoo , I assume by the video evidence that it was a ground-burst/shock concusion bomb to stun the enemy and follow up with a raid by awaiting troops at a safe distance.
Watch the dust clouds follow the road where the sonic shock stirs the soil, the trees appear to remain verticle while the torso absorbs the sound impact.
But don't tell that to the conspiracy theorists
that still believe Elvis is alive and Hitler in in South American with Andy Kaufman .
BTW, thanks Shiek er mami , I do have my moments every decade or so.
The last comment someone enjoyed was when Muslims claimed a suspected terrorist lived in America and went to the mosque every Friday.
My response was that "Living in American for 20 year makes you no more American than living in a garage would make me a car" .
Kafir Nonbeliever writes: "Your endless attacks on gays, feminists and persons of other races have grown to such a pitch that many people are secretly unable to bear it any longer....Have you lost all sense of humanity?"
This is NOT a forum to be discussing domestic politics. But I must remind you of one point: After the divisive 2000 election, in which Bush managed to eke out a narrow victory after multiple recounts in different counties in Florida, the first thing Bush did was address the nation and appeal to the nation to pull together for unity's sake. And immediately, the Democrats turned him down. A cynical, calculated campaign began, led by McAuliffe of the Democratic National Committee, to insinuate that "Bush stole the election by disenfranchising black voters in Florida." The purpose was to weaken Bush politically by undercutting his very legitimacy in the eyes of the public. And this was based on painting Bush out as a racist who "disenfranchised" black voters. That is political dynamite in any year, but with 9-11 happening less than a year later, such divisiveness in wartime bordered on outright sedition.
There was never any truth to McAuliffe's claims, multiple investigations failed to find anything significant. But for the first time in my memory, a major political party--the Democrats--joined the UFO-and-black-helicopter crowd in pushing a conspiracy theory.
Less than a year later, 9-11 happened, and those same Democrats who claimed Bush stole the election all of a sudden had to find reasons to support him against terrorism. Why the hell should we conservatives forgive the Democrats after that?
If a Democrat wins the White House, we're going to do everything in our power to smear, ruin, undercut, and wreck his Administration. Even if we're at war. Payback is a bitch, you know.
Notice in the article that no democrat actually said it was a "stunt" and I can find no democrat anywhere who said anything like that. Stark's comment was the closest to criticism I could find. Almost universally Democrats praised Zarqawi's death as a good thing.
Stark's comment is not appropriate I think but understandable in light of the complete fiasco Iraq has been since the President declared victory on that carrier.
Now that was stunt.
Zarqawi was an evil madman and deserved to die on the stretcher exactly in the way that he did.
And yet many Republicans seem to reserve their real hatred for liberals and Democrats, not for psychopaths like Zarqawi. It's almost as if to them Democrats are worse than Zarqawi in Republicans eyes (and I'll bet you dollars to donuts that someone will actually make that insane case!).
That is what is truly shameful, this kind of polarizing, anti-American megalomania that the neo-cons are currently engaged in.
There was a time in this country when Democrats and Republicans went out to dinner together and were friends and able to get things done. Everett Dirksen and LBJ could sit in a room and hammer out a compromise. It was politicians like these that won WWII and the Cold War. Since Lee Atwater, Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay, that is no longer the case.
It has become a zero-sum game for the far Right and there is no room for real American patriots willing to work together, left and right, to build a better America.
It will come back to haunt them someday . . . it is already destroying this country.
jjimbo