Details Emerge About Suspects in Canada Bomb Plot

And, whereas the media refuses to explore and report on jihadist ideology and the degree to which Muslims accept that ideology, in places are close to home as a Toronto mosque, folks from the BBC will go out of their way to prominently disply oddball information like this,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/5040340.stm

Violent, Christian video games...

Tarek Fatah plays both sides of the issue, and during a TVO debate show on Islam he excused away the behaviour of the Islamic Countries by saying that the Quran forces Muslims to create a Islamic State when they are the majority.

But when you read into his comment he's actually warning the West that Islam is a valid threat and when the population gets powerful enough from its percentage growth the Quran will force a Islamic Political party to form and work towards a Caliphate and Shariah-law ruled Nation.
Fatah also defended islam by claiming that Christians Killed close to 100 million people in the last century during Christian based wars.

Since the Quran is at the root of all these versions of islam then Muslims are living in denial or can't leave because ex-Muslims are apostates to be punished which includes death.

Check out this story on the CBC when CSIS tried to protect canadians from terrorism,note the female Muslim insisting "It's a free Country" as part of defending the filming of structures.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/10/03/cntowerphotos041003.html

'Haditha' seems so much more important! The MSM, most of all CNN, is pushing Haditha over everything.

Here is something from a Michael Yon despatch with a little insight:

The Haditha Killings
By Jeffrey Barnett [Bio]
I don’t know what happened in Haditha. I wasn’t there, and my knowledge is limited to the news articles I have read. However, the Marine Corps prides itself on holding its members to the highest standards of accountability. If the allegations are substantiated, I am sure the Marine Corps will pursue appropriate legal and administrative action against those responsible. While I cannot speak intelligently on the Haditha incident, I do think I can comment on possible causes of these types of tragic events: a frustration most can’t understand. I don’t condone any use of force outside our directed rules of engagement and escalation of force procedures. However, I can understand why violations of the ROE happen, however unjustified they may be.

We stopped at the market and purchased a bunch of soccer balls to pass out to local children.
Examine the following hypothetical example: During a vehicular patrol, you drive though a small neighborhood of four houses around 0800. Everything is kosher. Women are making breakfast, children are playing, and men are talking to each other near the road. You drive through the same area two hours later at 1000 and things are vastly different. Nobody is outside. As the second vehicle in the patrol rounds a corner just past the four houses it is hit by an IED. The magnitude of the casualties can be left to the individual imagination. Whether it killed everyone inside the vehicle or just peppered the doors with dirt, the intent was the same. Someone wanted to kill you. Someone looked at your truck and said to themselves “Those men should die, and I’m going to make it happen,” It—pisses—you—off.

We found an IED in this red car. Three surrounding kids were waiting to plant it.
What changed? For whatever reason either that IED wasn’t present on your first trip through or it wasn’t detonated. Whether it happened between 0800 and 1000 or late one night last week, you can’t dig a hole in front of someone’s house and plant an IED without them noticing at some point during their daily routine. The people around know something, and it’s evidenced by the fact they were conveniently inside to avoid the explosion. However, they didn’t outwardly aggress on you, and you don’t have a clear target, so you can’t retaliate. Repeat this sequence of events a few times over the course of 6-7 months of combat. Perhaps you bury a few friends as a result. The same scene manifests itself in a myriad of locations and situations. Your friends keep dying, and you have never so much as seen the face of your enemy.

This is the unfortunate reality that Marines on the ground live with everyday—a population of Iraqis sometimes either indifferent to the attacks or scared into passive approval by insurgents that might easily turn their aggression on the Iraqi citizens if they assist us. I think in many places the insurgency isn’t rooted in anti-American feelings, but in a desperate attempt to retain power that is threatened by a democratically elected government. This isn’t the case everywhere, but in some places, it is the naked truth.

When does passive approval become active aggression? If someone knows about an IED and they aren’t outside trying to flag us down before we hit it, how responsible are they for its results? What are they guilty of if they know who murdered our comrades and don’t tell us when directly questioned? How do you discern the true insurgent sympathizers from the poor farmer that fears for his life if he helps us? Does that poor farmer’s fear excuse his inaction? All these questions lack definite answers. The one question that does have a definite answer is “When should I engage someone?” Our ROE are disseminated to every Marine and involve positive identification of someone as a threat before we can levy kinetic fires against them.

Overlooking the City of Fallujah.
Regardless of what happened at Haditha, I think we should recognize the Marines who make these decisions every day, most notably the infantry. Nineteen-year-old men fresh out of high school are put into impossible situations, and somehow they almost invariably do the right thing. Unfortunately, it’s those rare instances of a broken moral compass that make the news. The life and death games that young men in our fighting forces play all over the world make the responsibilities of corporate CEOs pale in comparison.
I feel fortunate just to have served alongside men such as these. Some have deployed four and five times since 9/11 in support of the global war on terror, and to have witnessed and partaken in the critical decision making processes they encounter far more often than I. Few people recognize their plight and even fewer know their burden.

Wow -- ala-sux -- that's a disgusting story! If red blooded Canadians don't wake up now after watching 100 such Muslim "demonstrators", then they won't keep their country very long.

The idea that 100 Muslims would feel so comfortable and triumphant just one day after those arrests is truly scary. Scary, that is, if Canadians are still capable of having genuine reactions after decades of multi-kulti spoon fed groool from the CBC, et al...

Walk a mile in the Marines' shoes before you pass judgement on their actions.
We are going to prosecute our soldiers, and before long we will not be able to fill the ranks of our armed services.

jsla:

The really stupid response from Muslims was to instantly play the victim of Racism and islamophobia, a few Muslim leaders blamed paranoia and bigotry for reporting Mohammad to the police until they heard the whole evidence that muhammad failed to reveal.
The Egyptian Muslim and a friend were caught making a video at Torontos most busy Subway Station ( Yonge+Bloor transfer point from all routes) and not only did he film several Enterances to other Station the CN Tower and office buildings were included, the internal filming from the Station platform was done with the camera hidden in a tote bags with a peephole while Muhammad coached the friend on where to stand as trains came in.

Muhammad also fail to tell the his supporters that it was a passenger that knew Arabic that heard the instruction and saw the tote bag and partner doing something really odd , Muhammad failed to see that the same Multiculturalism that allowed him to blend in was the same system that exposed his little plot for the Islamists back in Egypt.

We now have the "Muslim that cried wolf" and the villagers are tired of looking for these evasive Islamophobes that seem to vandalize Mosques but never get caught on video or leave finger prints.

Following a wave of arrests overnight on June 3 that led to more than a dozen Toronto-area men and teens being held on charges of suspected terrorism, the Canadian Islamic Congress issued a statement saying:

* All suspects involved in the current investigation — those now arrested and any who may yet be charged — must be treated as innocent until proven guilty;

* If and when any individuals are proven guilty under Canadian anti- terrorism legislation, then they are criminals. Canada’s 750,000 Muslims should not be made guilty-by-association, either in the Canadian media or through any public pronouncements;

* We praise today’s statements by CSIS, RCMP and the Mayor of Toronto for putting today’s arrests into proper context as criminal activities by suspects;

* It is irresponsible for our Prime Minster to paint today’s arrests as a battle between “us” and “them”. Such statement puts all Canadian Muslims in great danger;

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php

The worst blind is the one that doesn’t want to see:

“We have tried to make it very clear that this was not the actions of the Muslim community, it was the alleged actions ... of a small number of young men who were ideologically inspired to commit violent and criminal acts." (Bill Blair, Toronto Police Chief)

"These are individuals who represent a variety of our ethnic and cultural communities across Canada, so the message goes out very clearly that what we're talking about is people who have criminal intentions on other Canadians." (Stockwell Day, Canada’s Public Safety Minister)

"A few bad apples, should there be some...shouldn't be allowed to taint the whole community. There are [sic] as concerned about our public safety as anybody else." (Derek Lee, Liberal [Party of Canada] Public Safety Critic)

"They're the major victims when something like this happens because of what seems to be the inevitable backlash” (Joe Comartin, New Democratic Public Safety Critic, commenting on how Canadians need to react with calm and sensitivity to the recent arrests, and must protect the Islamic community from retaliation)

The RCMP said these arrested represented "a broad strata of society." After listing all the Ahmeds and Mohameds involved, Michelle Malkin dryly called called the list "a vertitable Benetton ad."

Well, it was kind of "a broad stata"--a broad strata of the ummah, that is.

So we see once again the familar pattern emerge:

First: the pointy end of the Islamic insurrection lashes out with violence or threats of violence...

Then: this is followed by a well orchestrated attempt by the Islamic community to depict themselves as the "true victims" of Muslim transgression.

Muslims clearly don't comprehend how quickly things pass out of fashion in the West, unlike the fashions in their stultified decaying system.

Cultural fascists in the Press continue to play along with the Muslim game at their peril. Increasingly I find the Muslims in our domain are nearly indistinguishable from the propaganda spewing liars in the MSM. Their abuse of language, power, and privileges are both destructive. In times of war, all enemies must be dealt with.

I half-listened to the headline news about an hour ago. The top story was....several window panes had been broken at a mosque in Toronto. Yes, yes. The Muslims are always the victims. Vandalism has happened at a mosque. The MSM must be so relieved. This act cancels out the 17 men who were planning the terrorist attack, and the tacit consent and support given to them by hundreds of their fellow Muslims living in Toronto.

"How is it that a man who held obviously "extreme" sentiments could have gotten a place on a mosque Board?"

You got to be kidding me. If the mosques are not breeding places for terrorism, than I'm a monkeys uncle. How many newsstories have been told about imams that preach hatred toward Jews and infidels? If I was in control of homeland security, every mosque in this country would be under surveilance.

"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." Victory 48:29

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people. They [the unbelievers] will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their hatred is evident from what they utter with their mouths, but greater is the hatred which their breasts conceal." The Imrans 3:118
They don't need any help with Hate.....They have the Koran.....

"A violent ideology inspired by Al Qaeda."
A more honest statement would be "A violent ideology inspired by the false prophet Mohammed and spelled out in the unholy Quran."

You cursed defamers of Islam!We needed that fertilizer to grow our fine Canadian Wheat!...

Actually,I just read on the CIA factbook,that Canada is the US' largest foreign supplier of energy, including oil, gas, uranium, and electric power.A coordinated attack on thier energy infrastructure would cause us a LOT of
problems.Lets see.They had egnough amonium nitrate for nearly five(!) OK city bombs.OR egnough for a bunch of smaller ones to take out
refineries,power grid,etc.

Lets do a psychological profile of these Islamic leaders and Imams .

First keep in mind that it is usually a thief that's the first one to accuse you of stealing,this is because they know that they would, or have, stolen in the past and they merely transfer their values on everyone else
to assume since they are a thief everyone else must be one.

Now look at the response by Muslims to the 17 males detained on an Alleged terrorism plot.

Rather than be concerned about the thousands of civilians that could have been slaughtered, they focus on a fear of "Backlash", and WHY?
Because they assume that everyone else is like THEM , and we all want "Revenge" to appease our God and violence is the only way we can express ourselves.

While muslim leaders dwell on how these men are innocent until proven guilty, today Muslims used a press conference to blame a vandalized Mosque on ignorance and Islamophobia by non-Muslims.
Except noone has been arrested to prove the Nationality and religion of the vandals, so this mind set tell me that the attacks on Jewish temples and Chruches just might have been by Muslims trying to create division and hatred.

In Canada you're innocent until proven to be a non-Muslim, then you must be guilty and why bother with a trial when Shariah-law can mete out the punishment.

So, Islam dictates Dar-Al-Harb / Dar-al-Islam division, covered in a 'Religion of Peace' smoke-screen. Clever.. very clever.

After thinking about the backlash conundrum, this is my conclusion: 12 cartoons are published in some Nordic newspaper and the muslims of the world go on a wild rampage. 3 tons of explosives are found in the hands of 17 muslims in Canada, and people are urged to show restraint. Well, let’s be multicultural! I’m offended, and I demand an apology; were these imans and muslim community leaders real men, they would be out there condemning the acts of these terrorists (no strings attached) and canvassing the support of their followers in ousting Jihad, publicly, for the greater good. But, no, they insist they are the victims. And the media plays along...

Welcome to the club van der ley, the targets of jihad club. Australian soil hasn't been hit yet, (Australians in NYK, London and Bali have been murdered) and we have had terror arrests. Our leftwingers tell us that Canada is not a target because Canada has no troops in Iraq. Wonder what they will say now. Have saved two Toronto newspapers in my favs, the Globe & Mail and the Star. I'm interested in reading opinions over the next few days. What are Canadians thinking ?

Cheers, Pas from Sydney

Al Qaeda is the new set of "bogeymen" that the liberal media can constantly blame for all the evils of Islam. It's complete tripe, of course, but that's never stopped the majority of weak-minded press people from grafting onto a falsehood and carrying it for months and sometimes years, especially if it serves to make them feel safe in their glass houses while they toss stones.

I'd love to get my hands on some newpaper articles back from around 1935-1939 and see how people were talking about the Nazis before reality slapped the United States across the face. The comparisons probably won't be perfect, because the general political and cultural nature of the American people has changed dramatically in the past 70 years, but I bet there will still be some telling similarities: the capacity of people to deny the obvious is never to be underestimated.

To paraphrase Warren Buffet: "Somewhere there is still a club holding monthly meetings of the World Is Flat Society."

I just got word that those 17 terrorist bozos and their imans are now damaging the economy of my country and further damaging our internaional reputation: “"Americans should be very concerned, because Canada is our northern neighbour and there's a large al Qaeda presence in Canada (…) I think it's a disproportionate number of al Qaeda in Canada because of their very liberal immigration laws, because of how political asylum is granted so easily.” (Peter King, New York Republican, chairman of the House of Representatives homeland security committee, on an interview to CNN, on Sunday)

As a non-muslim who cherish the historical friendship between Canada and US, I demand an apology.

Foehammer -- what part of that is aimed at those countries who have refused to help America in any substantial way? What part of that is aimed at those countries who are far more infected with Muslim extremists?

Why does America have to be "slapped" across the face in order to get the rest of the world (where the problem is FAR more grave) to get off their lazy fucking asses to do something about it?

DO NOT project European, British, or Canadian failures onto America. That would be CRAP for WW2, and it is CRAP today.

DO NOT imply that the USA is somehow dropping the ball when, I think, it would be far more accurate to say we're doing more than Canada, the UK, and all of Europe combined to fight this scourge.

More troops.
More money.
More blood.
More heart.
More guts.

(and no offense to our allies is implied in this post. I do not take kindly however to the near endless stream of projections which somehow afix this or any global problem solely onto America's shoulders -- you guys are all far more threatened than we -- some of you just may not appreciate that fact yet...)

-van der Ley,

Remember to move all of the furniture out of the way if you're going to hold your breath for that apology. Wouldn't want you to hit your head on the way down after you pass out.

jsla:

They don't come more pro-American than I, but the fact remains, our Press corps and Federal Government are sadly out of synch with the best and brightest and bravest amongst us and that I can drop squarely at their feet every single day. Sure we do more than the rest of the world, but not for the right reasons -- our men and women in uniform are still chases ghosts! Give them the right enemy to fight and then I'll stop chewing on the bit, but as it stands now, I've got plenty to criticize both here and abroad.

My own patience is wearing so thin, I think that talk is cheap.

edit: ...still chasing ghosts...

(My brain feels like a damn soggy sponge after so many months of this.)

carolyn2

Well said on Haditha. And even we find out the worst about the Marines here, so what? Nothing that they did comes even close to the millenia of murders that Muslims have done to Infidels. And to any Mohammedan critics, it's the will of Allah, so STFU.

And if it forces us out of Iraq and ends this stupid Nation-building project (why not build Nepal that way? Those people will surely appreciate it a lot more), it's two birds with one stone.

ala-sux

For the "Canadian" Muslimah who insisted on the right to film structures on the grounds that it's a free country, the proper response to it is to strip her nude, tie her down, video-tape her, edit the images to make it look like she's engaging in porn, and distribute it to her community, so that she becomes the target of an honor killing. After all, it's a free country. And besides, if that happened, it would be the will of Allah

van der Ley:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/khadr/

The "Al Qaeda Connection" in Canada is sort of old news to me. Sadly.

PAS asks: "Our leftwingers tell us that Canada is not a target because Canada has no troops in Iraq. Wonder what they will say now."

If you sign up to the Internet/Usenet newsgroup "can.politics", you will see what the left-wingers are saying now:

First, Leftists blame Canada for being involved in Afghanistan--the terrorists wouldn't be plotting to attack Canadians, if Canada didn't have a foreign policy that so many Muslims oppose.

Second, some Leftists insist that the terrorists "must have" some legitimate grievances. The cops should interrogate the terrorists to find out what their legitimate grievances are, so Canada can deal with those grievances more effectively.

Third, some Leftists deny there was any terrorist plot at all. They claim this is a "Wag the Dog" (a.k.a. "Reichstag fire") operation on Prime Minister Harper's part to scare Canadians into supporting his "fascist" right-wing policies.

ala-sux,

From your story, there's Hindy, right in the centre of things once again:

"The protest was organized by the outspoken Muslim cleric Aly Hindy, who himself has been held and questioned in Egypt"

(I've posted more on Hindy in one of the previous "canada" threads).

The death of political correctness and multiculturalism is imminent...

Posted by: US_infidel at June 4, 2006 05:27 PM

Were doomed if it isnt!!!@:Oس

From above

Fatah also defended islam by claiming that Christians Killed close to 100 million people in the last century during Christian based wars.

That has to be one of the lamest moral equivalence arguments ever.

To try and say the World Wars of the 20th century were driven by Christianity is absurd.

Muslims are so stupid!!

Foehammer -- apologies if that was too strongly worded. I completely know you're one of the good guys. The idea that America had any obligation in WW2 to stick her head into that particular meat grinder always strikes me as false and unfair.

It's only in retrospect that it becomes clear how early intervention may have prevented the nightmares which unfolded. But that's a trick of time.

Today, no one gives a thought to exactly what we may have prevented by toppling Hussein (and I think his sons were the real worry -- they may have made daddy look like spice girl Posh after they came to power...)

Anyway, I have begun to think of anti-Americanism as the new scapegoatism, a global form of anti-Semitism. It's a symptom of a deep global dysfunction -- I think it's something that must be fought vociferously. Some of it is casual -- really a presupposition. Much of it is virulent. While I know this isn't America_bashing_watch.org, I strongly associate this phenomenon with a glibness and irresponsibility on the part of many who should know better. They permit themselves to shunt their fears, their loathings, their deficiencies, their impotencies onto a convenient bogeyman: America, and this allows them to pretend the dangers and responsibilities don't lie at their own feet. This malignant behavior that is sinking their nations and cultures, opening them up to horrid degradations.

There's no way we can lift such persons up solely with our own energy and resources. If they don't begin to shake off the stupor and fantasist comfort this scapegoatism affords them, then they are certainly doomed.

That's my input on the subject.

PAS – Thanks for the welcome note. Answering to your question: Canadians aren’t (of course, contrary opinions are sought). 30 or so years of multiculturalism and mostly Liberal rule have numbed the senses of Canadians, and robbed the country out of many unifying traits. As a multicultural society, members of individual communities are more interested in dealing with the issues of their particular clique than in delving into the complexities of national integration and terrorism, while hungry for tax-payer’s money to fund whichever “cultural” endeavour might further their cause. As I pointed out on a previous post, such an environment is fertile ground for Islamism and the Islamic jihad, simply because all mechanisms responsible for raising the quintessential “red-flags” are gone, and have been substituted by the fear of being “insensitive” or “not politically-correct”. Add to that a lingering anti-American sentiment, and you have the right mix for political mischief: “the Americans are doing it!”. Just pay attention to the story as it develops; you’ll see what I mean. Now, let me get my Foster’s…

ala-sux,

Thanks for this:

"The Egyptian Muslim and a friend were caught making a video at Torontos most busy Subway Station ( Yonge+Bloor transfer point from all routes)"

Note that officials have been claiming that the most recent accused were not believed to be plotting an attack on the transit (subway) system. The most recent planned attack was probably to be directed at CSIS.

Nevertheless, just to give people an idea of how much damage could be done at that subway juncture:

At the Young & Bloor transfer, there are two levels, one on top of the other, east-west and north-south. The station is huge, and is joined to underground malls, etc. At the busiest times, if the jihadists had bombed just that station, at the morning or the early evening rush hours, this could have resulted in, I would guess, well over 1000 deaths.

Eisenhund - Thanks for the tip. I have already moved the furniture and lined the floor with Canadian Geese down pillows… Anyhow, that was just a sarcastic note…

Foehammer – Absolutely, the Khadr stuff been around for a while. Again, as I mentioned above, there was a bit of sarcasm on the post. I just felt like, for once, being the one asking for apologies instead of a deranged Iman…

Speaking of apologies:

Updated Sun. Jun. 4 2006 11:34 PM ET
Canadian Press

TORONTO -- A Christian activist who garnered international headlines as a hostage in Iraq is joining a protest march against Canada's system of detaining suspected foreign terrorists indefinitely without charge or trial.
James Loney, who spent four months in captivity in Iraq, planned to catch up with the "freedom caravan" in Belleville, Ont., on Tuesday.
In an interview, Loney told The Canadian Press that he feels both an obligation to, and kinship with, the Muslim men currently detained as threats to national security.

PAS,

Most of our left in Canada is blaming the recent planned jihad attacks on the fact that we have troops in Afghanistan, and on our cooperation with our allies, etc. Indeed, even though the recent planned attacks were foiled, the Islamists still want to use the (thwarted) attacks for their intended to purpose: To put into the media messages that are intended to weaken our resolve against the Islamist threat at home and abroad; to confuse us about the nature of the enemy (e.g., by telling tall tales about "peaceful Islam" to so-called experts, who then repeat said tales to the media), etc.

I do believe that the jihadists are not so stupid as to have failed to put together a "Plan B", "Plan C", etc. Thus, if they get caught, they can try to use the media to get their message across. They are doing exactly this at the moment, and are getting full (and largely unwitting) cooperation from our media.

van der ley: Give that "Christian activist" (anti-Canadian asshole) a swift kick for me, then take a swig. Then kick him again!

If you listen, you'll hear us softly singing:

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

van der Lay,

Too bad Loney doesn't feel any loyalty to the people who put their lives at risk to pull him out of that mess in Iraq. If the jihadists didn't put him to death, ordinary Iraqis might have put him to death had they found out he was a homosexual. To my knowledge, he has still not cooperated with authorities in giving information about those jihadists who kidnapped him.

"I do not think of him as an imam," Tareeq Fatah, the communications director of the Muslim Canadian Congress,

Before I knew anything much about Islam, I thought this guy Fatah was a moderate. It has become clear over time, however, that he is a "confusion director", not a communications director. (Or rather, as communications director, he is perfectly situated to spread confusion). Certainly, his comments about the 100 million deaths due to Christianity shows that he has zero regard for facts, and is quite willing to lie to the media.

It is, indeed, irrelevant whether Fatah thinks of any number of assorted Islamists as true imams. The fact is, there are many such imams, including in Canada, most of whom probably do not even regard Fatah as a true Muslim (Fatah opposed the introduction of sharia, which objectively puts him at odds with the Koran), much less a Muslim authority.

Being "extreme" is the prerequisite to get a place on a mosque's board or to be an imam. The more "extreme" a muslim is, the higher he is ranked in the muslim cultist hierarchy. The actual imams and onwards are so extreme that they can not even enjoy a walk in a park. They will emerge from their mosques for a chore, or for a meeting, but, in all my life, I have not seen the member of a board or imam taking a walk or just appreciating nature. In all my life I have not seen a muslim feeding a bird even. I have seen them feeding goats and sheep whom they saw off afterwards.

"PAS – Thanks for the welcome note. Answering to your question: Canadians aren’t (of course, contrary opinions are sought). 30 or so years of multiculturalism and mostly Liberal rule have numbed the senses of Canadians, and robbed the country out of many unifying traits."

Maybe in the larger cities like Toronto and Montreal, but come to small-town Canada and you'll see pretty damn quickly that "real" Canada has weathered the Trudeau era pretty well. Our unity and feeling of nationhood and history is still strong, you just have to look beyond the borders of, say, Oshawa and Mississauga to see it sometimes. No jihadist movement or Liberal or NDP government is ever going to break us. And dammit, we've ALL got hockey sticks. Lots of them.

Incidentally, the Toronto Star is really outdoing itself with its coverage of this story. The big headline today is about how the cops violated the rights of the accused by putting on a show for the media. Man. What a disgusting rag. I did like Rosie DiManno's column on immigrant isolation, though, which made a lot of sense (and surprised the hell out of me, coming from her).

The IDF estimates that it is headed toward another violent round of clashes with the Palestinians following a period of relative calm, senior security officials said.

The dreary prognosis is based on the army's five-year plan for 2006-2011, which will be made public in July
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1148482108240&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

(IsraelNN.com) Sources in the PA have reported that a senior Hamas terrorist, Ahmed Seri, blew himself up in his home in Jabaliya in Gaza.

Three members of Seri’s family were hurt in the blast.

Sources said the explosion occurred as Seri was preparing explosives for a bomb.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=104845

“motivated by an ideology based on politics, hatred and terrorism, and not on faith,” Toronto Police Chief Blair told a gathering of Muslim leaders and concerned community members.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1149420427711&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

Well, now we can all go back to what we were doing and chant "islam is the religon of peace."

Take two asprin and then say it ten times backwards until you make yourself believe it.

Re: How is it that a man who held obviously "extreme" sentiments could have gotten a place on a mosque Board? Is it possible that the majority in the mosque were and are "extremists" also? Why do authorities never consider this, but constantly pretend the contrary in the teeth of whatever evidence?

Can you say Kafkaesque?...The Trial of reason...

BTW, excellent vid re jihad and all that.....

http://www.israelnationaltv.com/player.php?video_id=1667&report_id=28

this morning's CBC Radio One news broadcasts includes statements made by a Liberal MP from Mississauga named Khan who attends the same mosque. Khan says he himself complained about statements being made by one of the plotters, accusing Canadian troops of raping Afghan women,etc.

I understand that this bunch were detected via internet activities, particularly the creation of an extremist website. One has to hope that the "honourable member for Mississauga" didn't merely complain to his mosque's board, but that he also tipped off the authorities.

"Khan says he himself complained about statements"

What exactly did he say? Was it something like:

"Hey! Don't say that too loud! It will give us Muslims a bad name."

The implication one is to draw is that he "complained" to authorities -- which may or may not be the case. Given the fact that most of these plots seem to be revealed by sources outside the Islamic community, and the fact that the Islamic community's response ALWAYS involves feigned "shock" and "amazement" -- 'He was such a nice boy - we never knew anything' --- I'd take what this or what ANY Muslim says with a grain of ammonium nitrate.

jsla/waterdragon :

Watch this page for my link to a Mosque vidieo where MP Khan takes the MIC and declares that the Quran and Allah allows for "Revenge" attacks against those that harm Muslims or Islam.

The video starts off with Dan McTeague of the Liberals appeasing the Muslims by denouncing Jesus as the messiah for all Christians, when I emailed McTeague I got the ususal Liberal response that I was a racist ignorant bigot and should never contact him again.

I'll post to link in a few minutes.

http://www.cig.ca/arpresentsearch.php

Here's the link to a Pickering Mosque that was Allegedly vandalized and while there are no arrests or prove of who attacked the Mosque that doesn't stop Muslim from creating a scapegoat .

Check out the video "Pickering officials"
or even the Jesus-rules , Dan McTeague asserts Jesus is just another prophet in the Quran, then he declares Allah is the god of all faiths.
This video was made prior to the Liberal Election in 04 , and MP Khan appears near then end of the tape repeating a known fact from the Quran that Allah approves Revenge attacks but is pleased when man chooses forgivness and peace.
Khan also assure people that Canada is safe from any Muslim using violence as a response to the Mosque damage.

The video was about 22 minutes until I camplained and McTeague found out it was on the internet, then I noticed the 10 minute parade of Clerics mocking Jesus and Christians was cut from the tape.

Ala-sux -- I haven't had time today to check anything out -- I hope to come in tomorrow to check out your links though! It sounds like the video you saw was explosive.

jsla
We are so far ahead of the rest of the world militarily that it is pathetic. I am in awe ( and so is everyone else) of our military power. Our tactics, small arms, armor, air power and the whole combined arms package means that the rest are trying to maintain delusions of sufficiency and we are on the moon. No country wants to demonstrate,operationally, how far behind they really are, that is part of the problem but only part. The French, as an example and certainly not the best example, have an airfleet with little night fighting capability. No infrared, no terrain reading radar and they are a nuclear power. WTF. I say this with no small degree of thankfulness given the political situation there. We are on our own in a military sense. Israel can handle their own area sufficiently but they cannot project military power worldwide. Even Iran is stretching their capabilities.