Sunni/Shi'ite Jihad Update from Iran Focus, with thanks to JE:
Baghdad, Jun. 29 – Agents of Iran’s Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) are fomenting unrest in Iraq’s southern city of Basra, the Iraqi daily az-Zaman reported on Thursday.Az-Zaman quoted Iraqi counter-intelligence sources as saying that fighters were being trained in Lebanon under MOIS supervision and sent via the Iranian border to infiltrate Basra.
Some of the fighters were being incorporated into the al-Hussein Battalion which has been responsible for numerous targeted killings and assassinations in Basra.
The daily quoted the sources as saying that the MOIS was the most powerful and influential intelligence service that had infiltrated Basra and several other key Iraqi cities including the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala.
"We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."
President George W. Bush
Hey 'W', Are you truly a man of your word or what? We have the planes, troops and armor right next door to send the signal to Iran. A couple of strategicly placed 2,000 pounders would send the signal you mentioned above Don't 'cha think...?
The remedy that won't happen: you give a 48-hour notice to residents in towns like Basra to evacuate, then you bomb these cities into rubble. You roadblock the exits before you give anyone notice and you imprison all the likely suspects as they scurry for safety. The bad guys that decide to stay get killed in the missile and tank barrage.
I know, too simple right? Too logical. Too decisive. Too fullproof.
Of course, it will never be done.
"Trained in Lebanon..."
-- from the article above
No doubt along side those black-balaklaved, Kalashnikov-clutching, goosestepping Hezbollah. May more and more Hezbollah leave Lebanon (imagine the sigh of relief that the Christians, the Druse, and even the Lebanese Sunnis are sighing with each departing warrior for the Army of God) for Iraq, together with their Iranian friends who have apparently been training in Lebanon, of all places (or perhaps these "Iranian agents" are Arabic-speaking Shi'a from Lebanon, who might fit in a bit better).
So many possiblities come to mind. Consider, for example, the conflicting loyalties of such people if they hear about an Arab uprising against Iranians in Khuzistan, right near Basra? News travels. Suppose the Iranians crush that rebellion as forcefully as Hafez al-Assad crushed the Ikhwan in Hama? Then what do those Shi'a Arabs -- if they are in Basra along with those Iranian agents they trained, or who trained them (it hardly matters) -- do? Whose side to take?
In today's New Duranty Times, there is a report by Edward Wong on Sunni-Shi'a fighting in Baquba and in Daliqiya. In Daliqiya it was armed Shiites attacking Sunnis. It is unclear whether they were seeking those who had set off explsoives killing 18 Shiites in a nearby village, Khairnabat, on Monday, or was a revenge attack on Sunnis. Does it matter? Do you think that the two are kept separate in the minds of the Shi'a, or the Sunnis, in Iraq -- the meting out of justice, and revenge killings amount to the same thing in the minds of most Arab Muslims, and a day's or a week's or a month's or a year's "retraining" by Americans, determined to bring the Western rule of law, isn't going to have any lasting effect. The "trial" of Saddam Huseein may impress some American observers, but it has not contributed to some kind of broad cultural shift, and it is mistaken to take Allawi, Chalabi, and those who are thoroughly westernized and secular, or those who may not be but are adept at telling the Green Zone Americfans what they think those Americans would most like to hear, to believe that this will change in the next year or two. It will take generations, and it will also take a deliberate constraining or suppression of Islam, and in Iraq today, Islam is back -- with a vengeance.
A retired military officer (a colonel) recently told of my suggestions by a friend, replied that he found these ideas unacceptable. Why, the very idea of exploiting sectarian differences in Iraq seemed to offend him. He noted, correctly, the American military was doing its utmost to prevent such differences from becoming worse. He offered no logical analysis for this view. Simply, that was the policy, and that was going to remain the policy. I asked that mutual friend to convey a question to him: "Was the Iran-Iraq War good or bad for Americans and other Infidels?" If a reply comes, I will post it here. And my next question will be obvious: "
What exactly is the goal of American policy in Iraq?" Is it to make things as wonderful for the Iraqis, so that Iraq, under new largely Shn'a management, will somehow inspire people in Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, and Jordan, and other Sunni Arab countries, to be full of admiration and then full of the desire to emulate, Shi'a-ruled Iraq? How plausible is that? And in what way would they change, what ways that is that would do the only thing American policy should wish to do -- which is to weaken the camp of Islam, and to weaken the hold of Islam over the minds of its adherents? How does preventing sectarian and ethnic fissures accomplish this goal?
I don't think I'll get an answer. Not from a colonel, retired or on active duty. Not from a general. Not from a Secretary of State. Not from a Vice-President. Not from a President. They have the wrong goal, because they have refused to learn a sufficient amount about Islam to comprehend the origins, the scope, the varied instruments, and hence the full and permanent menace of Jihad -- above all in Western Europe, where not "terrorism" but Da'wa, the money weapon, and demographic conquest, accompanied by a confused and uncertain response, to put it mildly, from local indigenous Infidels, makes the task of those engaged in Jihad far easier than it should be.
And the inability of the American government to recognize that in Iraq it can accomplish more of what furthers its aims, rightly understood, by leaving than by staying, is a great obstacle to reversing disturbing trends in Western Europe. Obstinate adherence, out of fear of admitting that one has been wrong, and wrong in big ways, prevents this government from seeing things straight. Hence the nonsense about "cutting and running" and all the rest of it -- flailing about instead of offering what we want, less sentimentality ("people want the same thing-- freedom" and Democracy Is On the March) and more cunning and, not exactly ruthlessness, but more concern with Infidels, and a lot less even for those Muslims who may feel unenthusiastic about Islam but who cannot bring themselves to support a deliberate policy of dividing and demoralizing the camp of Islam. But nothing less, for Infidels, will do. That is why one must not listen to that small group of friendly, rational because westernized and secularized, former exiles or "reformers" in any Muslim country, who want the Americans to help them obtain power, but themselves overlook, or minimize, all those things -- aggression, permanent hostility towards, and distrust of, Infidels no matter what good they may do, a williingness always to ascribe the worst to those Infidels, an inability to separate fact from fiction (hence the prevalence of conspiracy theories among the Arabs and other Muslims), and all the other features that are believed by many in Washington who have read Patai's "the Arab Mind" to be features of the Arabs, but in fact are aspects of the "Muslim mind."
mo- A stooge?
ham- From a pig's ass.
mad- Disordered in mind: INSANE: Being rash or foolish.
Don't forget the Syrian Alewite rulers. Turns out Alewite is close the Shi'ite doctrine. Iran and Syria have patched up previous Shia-Alewite schisms. Alewites are 10% of Syria yet have ruled for years. A part of the Shiite swath that runs from Iran through Iraq, Lebanon, Syria
habnab-
1. Is that a new bumper sticker?
2. Can we get it in the magnetic version?
-XRDC
Hugh
The next time Robert goes on radio, can you ask him to float this to his hosts - be they Lee Rodgers, Michael Savage/Medved/Reagan, Mark Levin, et al, and see what their reaction is? I doubt that this idea had ever entered their mind. Before 9/11, a killing of Iranian diplomats in Mazar-e-Sharif almost led to a war between Iran and the Taliban. Wouldn't that have been a good thing - particularly if Pakistan and Saudi Arabia could have been drawn into it?
XRDC:
I'm workin' on it... I have a brother that is a graphic artist in Pittsburgh. He's working on a design for a T-Shirt...
RD
mo- A stooge?
ham- From a pig's ass.
mad- Disordered in mind: INSANE: Being rash or foolish.
This, I think should be followed by:
- - Coincidence?
Foehammer:
Your harsh language is most distressing to those of us who are sensitive enough to discern the nuances in this situation. Fortunately, our government will help to solve the problem by admitting tens of millions more Iranian and Iraqi Muslims to this country.
As for you, you stand self-convicted of Islamophobia and thoughtcrime. Please report immediately to your nearest mosque for a short and sharp re-education session.
Don't worry, be happy!
Islam is a religion of peace!
Viva El Presidente Jorge bin Jorge al-Bush!
Allahu akbar!
Norseman:
Interesting idea, but the day I show up at a mosque would not be a good day for Islam. Pray to Allah that day never comes.
"Agents of Iran’s Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS)...."
Can we just call them Ministry of Intelligence and Security Team, or MOIST for short? That just makes me laugh for some reason.
Patriot 1/17
Know the Enemy. Know Yourself.
NO WAY CAN I LET THIS PASS
MULTAN, Pakistan (Reuters) - Fateh Mohammad, a prison inmate in Pakistan, says he woke up last weekend with a glass lightbulb in his anus.
Wednesday night, doctors brought Mohammad's misery to an end after a one-and-a-half hour operation to remove the object.
"Thanks Allah, now I feel comfort. Today, I had my breakfast. I was just drinking water, nothing else," Mohammad, a grey-beared man in his mid-40s, told Reuters from a hospital bed in the southern central city of Multan.
"We had to take it out intact," said Dr. Farrukh Aftab at Nishtar Hospital. "Had it been broken inside, it would be a very very complicated situation."
Mohammad, who is serving a four-year sentence for making liquor, prohibited for Muslims, said he was shocked when he was first told the cause of his discomfort. He swears he didn't know the bulb was there.
"When I woke up I felt a pain in my lower abdomen, but later in hospital, they told me this," Mohammad said.
"I don't know who did this to me. Police or other prisoners."
The doctor treating Mohammad said he'd never encountered anything like it before, and doubted the felon's story that someone had drugged him and inserted the bulb while he was comatose.
© Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2006-06-29T132322Z_01_SP130276_RTRUKOC_0_US-PAKISTAN-BULB.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsArt-R1-MostViewed-3
Norseman, you seem to be an educated fellow.
Why do you want the world to become an uncivilized and uneducated mess that the M. E. muslims live in? Do you want to go back to being goat herders and camel herders? Do you not enjoy having technology, electricity, neat clothes, a woman who can actually carry on a conversation with you, a car to pick her up in, places to go and people to see?
Do you not enjoy being able to go away for a weekend without someone babysitting your goats? Do you not enjoy being able to go to the grocery store (a nice clean environment)and buy your food? Do you listen to music with your radio/cd player in your car? Do you enjoy going out to eat knowing the restaurant has been checked out by the health inspector and your food is fit to eat?
Do you enjoy being able to sleep at night without having to worry about savages breaking into your house wanting to know why your wife's ankle showed or why you posted something they didn't like on the internet? Do you enjoy being able to drive from point A to point B without going through checkposts and having to bribe your way through?
If you say yes to any of these questions...why are you a muslim and why do you want to lose these little "luxuries"? You should appreciate these things and not want them to change for the worse.
Changing times. Watch this short video.
http://hotair.com/archives/vent/2006/06/30/changing-times/
Freewoman,
I made the same mistake about the norseman. He is a devilishly insightful poster. Sarcasm at its finest. He is however, on our side and just doing the best he can to wake some of us up. He must be cracking up at some of the venom spewed his way in the past. But I must say he is very effective!
Foehammer:
So you were not content with Islamophobia, hate speech, and thoughtcrime? Now you have gone so far as to add blasphemy to your transgressions by taking the name of Allah in vain. The depth of your depravity is indeed astounding.
Forget about desecrating a mosque by your presence. Instead, please prepare your dwelling for a visit from representatives of the Religion of Peace. I suggest covering the floors with heavy duty plastic sheeting.
Don't worry, be happy!
Islam is a religion of peace!
Viva El Presidente Jorge bin Jorge al-Bush!
Allahu akbar!
Thats "Norseman" so sorry.
oooooooooooohhh! K
Thanks tgusa
Don't forget the Syrian Alewite rulers. Turns out Alewite is close the Shi'ite doctrine. Iran and Syria have patched up previous Shia-Alewite schisms. Alewites are 10% of Syria yet have ruled for years. A part of the Shiite swath that runs from Iran through Iraq, Lebanon, Syria
Posted by: dennisw at June 30, 2006 12:05 PM
Many are deluded by the assumption that alewites and Shi'ites are one stream or doctrine. quite the contrary, dennisw, they are not.I refer you to Iyal zesier's brilliant writtings about the ruling family in Syria, and it's religious and stratigical backgrounds.But i'm originally half Syrian, and according to my own knowldge, readings, and observations in my last visit to syria last year, what you say about Alewites being close to the shi'ite doctrine is not accurate. however, everything else you said is a fact. I just thought that it's important to point out that the relation between the Syrian Ba'athese and alewites on one side, and the insurgents of Hezbullah and Iran on the other side, is not based on religious backgrounds. it's merely an alliance of common interests and stratigical goals in the region sorounding Israel.Alewism is a "secret sect". It's Holy book "Al Hekmah" (the wisdom) was written by a man called Hamza from the Alewites mountain in Syria . All i know is that Quran is definitely not their first referance, and that they believe in reincarnation which most certainly denies them anything to do with Islam according to most Muslim jurisprudences and sects. They had to disroot all the muslim brothers' bases in Syria - Hammah, before they could take over, because non of the sunni majority considered them to be muslims. Nevertheless, a part from all what's been said, I think we need to pay attention to the Iranian Shi'ite missionary activities in the alewites Syrian regions lately.Iranian Shi'ite Imams have been remarkbly active in Alewite regions since the syrian departure from Lebanon (not that they haven't been before). Iranians are aiming at converting the Alewite minorities in Syria into Shi'ites. Their Shi'ite religious shows and preaches are on national Syrian TV every friday.On the long run, this could have a disastrous influence on the whole region.So far,it seems that the alewite stratigical goal is to keep the dominance over the geographical area starting from Syria and extending through lebanon, in order to soround Iraq and Israel, with Iranian Shi'ite allies keeping dominance over the other side of the Iraqi borders. Now, that Syria has been forced out of Lebanon, it might seem that Syria has lost a very good stratigical position. But it looks like Iran is ready to take over now, as we see in Iraq. But if Iran manages to change the Alewites minorities' motives of this alliance into a Shi'ite Syrian-Iranian bound, alongside with the Iranian evident infiltration in Iraq ,this schizm would have gained more than it's lost in Lebanon :
1. A Syrian-Iranian pressure point in Iraq against America, which is already accomplished.
2. Rather tightened bounds between potential alewite converts into shi'ites, and Hezbullah in Lebanon. Syrian fighters traveling to fight america in Iraq might become just one type of migrating fighters. We'd have Syrian Shi'ites traveling to join Hezbullah in Lebanon.
3. Probably more credibility for the Syrian Regime amongst Syrians, after Alewites convert to Shi'ites, for not all sunnies have issues with Shi'ites.
night_side_eclipse
Thanks for this very insightful account of Syria, and the various forces at play here.
Incidentally, don't Alawites regard themselves as Shi'ites?
Norseman:
LOL.
Sad but true - the Religion of Peace could come looking for me one day. I've already taken some precautions, but I have more in mind as the situation in the U.S. gets worse. (I'll stop short of putting down landmines in my yard though, don't worry.)
The plastic sheeting is a great idea. My Bowie knife and Remington 12-gauge could make a mess of uninvited visitors and I wouldn't want to have to replace my carpet. I'll have to make yet a another trip to Home Depot...
Classic anti-jihad devices:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/12-shotgun.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowie_knife
:P
Freewoman,
The facts being what they are in no way discounts from your terrific post. Save it for future trolls that you come across.
Foehammer.
Don’t forget… http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1878/dobefaq.html#dobe_at_war
tgusa:
I wonder if the jihadis have any concept of just how many dog owners there are in the U.S.? There's actually a dog breeder not far away from me, and they don't breed poodles, let's just say.
Personally, I prefer Rotts and German Sheps and even bigger breeds, like Newfoundlands.
Foehammer, even a poodle will alert his master to sneaking skulking muslims around the home. My late Gigi (pbuh) was a small dog with a tad bit of pit in her. She was a GREAT watchdog. And a great bodyguard.
Anyway how many Pakistani doctors does it take to change a light bulb?
Anyway how many Pakistani doctors does it take to change a light bulb?....by western infidel
Ok. I'll bite. How many does it take?
I just read a disturbing account of a Central Texas woman (18 years old) that survived being forced off the road in her SUV, raped, stabbed and left for dead. The attackers?
Two illegal immigrants. One Mexican, the other Honduran.
Islamic Jihadis aren't the only enemy we are faced with in the USA. While we are "securing" other nations, we don't even protect our own borders, so these kinds of crimes happen daily in this country, many of them will never be solved, and yet we can already piece together enough information to know that a high percentage of violent crimes are a direct result of improper border protection.
Mix in the Al Qaeda agents that shuffle across the border and you've got an invasion. And Bush sends a couple thousand unarmed National Guardsmen to the border to help push pencils. But that amendment died, didn't it George? Your slick political maneuver wasn't enough to fool the majority of the country.
Foehammer, here's one that will make your blood boil.
http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2006/06/07/honduran-kills-child-with-axe/
Ok, the guy playing light bulb sex is gross. He looks like he enjoyed it.
Carolyn, that makes my blood boil. These people's cultures just don't jive with ours.
Is the question about the # Paki doctors it takes to change a light bulb related to the above story about the light bulb in the butt?
My guess - 3? Two to hold apart the cheeks of the butts, and one to unscrew the light bulb?
Foehammer
I'm rooting for Lopez to win Mexico's election this weekend. I have a theory that the president let his charm offensive of Vincente Fox dictate his policy on Mexico. If that is correct, an anti-US regime in Mexico is what will remove the incentive for the WH to play nice with the Mexicans, without supposedly costing the "Hispanic" vote. I doubt that a majority of Mexicans in the US, despite their views on immigration, happen to be fans of Chavez, Morales, Castro or Lopez. If that's correct, once a Left wing regime is in power in Mexico, the US government will be less inclined to continue turning a blind eye towards the illegal immigration problem.
Incidentally, anybody read Tancredo's book as yet? Anything interesting he says about Islam, or on his "nuke Mecca" comments last year?
habnab-
LOL! Your "mo-ham-mad" breakdown.
I think the clearest formulation would be:
MO - a Stooge
HAM - part of a pigs' butt
MAD - mentally disturbed; INSANE
................Coincidence!?!
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(I think the Pakistani guy with the light bulb is just what happens when a devoted Muslim tries to have an idea.)
(I think the Pakistani guy with the light bulb is just what happens when a devoted Muslim tries to have an idea.)
Posted by: profitsbeard
AAHahahahahahaa!
Carolyn2: My God. You're not kidding. And the family of the murdering scum has the audacity to sue the police?!? I'd shoot them all dead if that was my little boy!!
Infidel Pride: You make a very good point. I really do think it would be better for the United States to have more obvious enemies. Part of the strategy used against us for far too long is the double-dealing, two-faced approach. Let's start to get out devils line up in a row....
Here are some more related stories. One mentions Tancredo's book and his unveiling of Mexican mafia tactics here in the USA and the other will blow your mind:
http://www.foehammer.net/2006/06/invasion-mexican-drug-cartels-rigging.html
http://www.foehammer.net/2006/06/rape-of-american-sovereignty.html
http://www.spp.gov