Showing no sign of taking any responsibility for the spread of "extremism" among Canadian Muslims, the Canadian Islamic Congress (thanks to Jeffrey Imm) is blaming the Canadian government for not showering enough money on the problem:
"ZERO DOLLARS" SPENT ON PROACTIVE "SMART INTEGRATION" PROGRAMS SAYS CICSPENDING ONLY ON LAW AND ORDER IS NOT ENOUGH -- PM's US AND THEM STATEMENT IS IRRESPONSIBLE
Following a wave of arrests overnight on June 3 that led to more than a dozen Toronto-area men and teens being held on charges of suspected terrorism, the Canadian Islamic Congress issued a statement saying:
1. All suspects involved in the current investigation -- those now arrested and any who may yet be charged -- must be treated as innocent until proven guilty;
2. If and when any individuals are proven guilty under Canadian anti- terrorism legislation, then they are criminals. Canada's 750,000 Muslims should not be made guilty-by-association, either in the Canadian media or through any public pronouncements;
3. We praise today's statements by CSIS, RCMP and the Mayor of Toronto for putting today's arrests into proper context as criminal activities by suspects;
4. It is irresponsible for our Prime Minster to paint today's arrests as a battle between "us" and "them". Such statement puts all Canadian Muslims in great danger;
5. Governments, both federal and provincial, must fund legitimate academic research to diagnose this serious social problem and provide scientific solutions to it.
Today's CIC statement elaborated saying:
"There is no solid social science research that details why and how imported extremist ideologies are finding their way to some vulnerable Canadian Muslim youth. Zero dollars were spent by governments to investigate and follow up on such disturbing trends."
"The Canadian Muslim community is law-abiding and loyal, but we have been up front in recognizing that no group is without problems," the statement continued.
"We at CIC have initiated a nation-wide Smart Integration program and need more help from Canadian academic researchers to scientifically diagnose problems and devise solutions.
"But our governments have refused to share in the cost of research that could benefit all Canadians. They have said, in effect, 'this is your problem, you solve it.' . . . This is a short-sighted attitude. If other social problems, such as the high rate of crime among inner city youth, received millions of dollars in research funding over the past decade, why are proactive Muslim initiatives being ignored?"
Ignored? Really? Every day I see an immense thirst among the media and government officials to find moderate, anti-terror Muslims. I see people being trumpeted as moderates whose moderation or effectiveness is more than a little questionable. And now the CIC is saying that proactive Muslim anti-terror initiatives have been ignored? And what initiatives would those be?
Such statement puts all Canadian Muslims in great danger..Sir...let your book Speak......The only true faith in God's sight is Islam. . . . He that denies God's revelations should know that swift is God's reckoning" (3:19).....
Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage. . . . [I]f they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they desist, God is forgiving and merciful. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. But if they desist, fight none except the evil-doers"(2:190–93).
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. But you may hate a thing although it is good for you, and love a thing although it is bad for you. God knows, but you know not" (2:216).
"Say to the unbelievers: ‘You shall be overthrown and driven into Hell—an evil resting place!'" (3:12).
God does not guide the evil-doers" (2:258).
"God does not guide the unbelievers" (2:264).
"The evil-doers shall have none to help them" (2:270).
"God gives guidance to whom He will" (2:272).
ISLAM MEAN'S PEACE, LOVE AND RESPECT...UNLESS YOU ARE A MONKEY OR A PIG....BE HONEST SIR!
Canadian Islamic Congress spokesperson Dr. Mohamed Elmasry is also noted for saying on Canadian television that all Israelis are legitimate targets for suicide bombers
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=13648&only
"ZERO DOLLARS" SPENT ON PROACTIVE "SMART INTEGRATION" PROGRAMS SAYS CIC"
Why is it that they need integration? What is it, exactly, in their views, attitudes, beliefs, that needs to be integrated? Do Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, etc., need to be "integrated"?
And why is it that our interactions with these shady organizations always seem to involve us either being asked to submit to some 7th century law (which they demanded during the cartoon controversy), or to fork over money?
Why do they need a study? The police and the Muslim groups have already decided, for the public, that this has nothing to do with Islam. In fact, I'd love to see an unbiased scientific study that does nothing else but seek to obtain the best model to predict outcomes. And note that, in science, unlike in the fairy-land of mainstream popular media, one can't simply declare certain variables to be irrelevant. One actually has to test those variables to see whether or not they can be ruled out.
Do Muslims in Canada or even elswhere need more training to understand and follow the law?
Why do Muslims need special treatment or otherwise they are not responsible for blowing up you and your infidel friends?
They have to be given the full measure of the law and... maybe some more because of their demands to be treated in a special special way..
Maldivian,
Looks like we were having the same thoughts at the same time.
Imagine the seething and cries of "racism" and "islamophobia" if the Canadian government were to have implemented such a study.
That would indicate that there was some sort of problem with young people that were muslim, it would have singled them out as troublemakers, simply because they follow a certain 'religion'....what do they think we are...some kind of islamophobes?
On the one hand, there is this statement:
"2. If and when any individuals are proven guilty under Canadian anti- terrorism legislation, then they are criminals. Canada's 750,000 Muslims should not be made guilty-by-association, either in the Canadian media or through any public pronouncements;"
On the other hand, there is this statement:
"But our governments have refused to share in the cost of research that could benefit all Canadians. They have said, in effect, 'this is your problem, you solve it.' . . . This is a short-sighted attitude. If other social problems, such as the high rate of crime among inner city youth, received millions of dollars in research funding over the past decade, why are proactive Muslim initiatives being ignored?"
So while the first statement insists that this is not a Muslim problem, the second statement implicitly admits that it is.
But here we always preach peace and moderation," Qamrul Khanson, an imam at the one-room Al-Rahman Islamic Center for Islamic Education, said Sunday. ....... (You see many among them making friends with unbelievers. Evil is that to which their souls prompt them. They have incurred the wrath of God and shall endure eternal torment. . . .You will find that the most implacable of men in their enmity to the faithful are the Jews and the pagans, and that the nearest in affection to them are those who say: ‘We are Christians'" (5:80–82)......The devils will teach their votaries to argue with you. If you obey them you shall yourselves become idolaters. . . . God will humiliate the transgressors and mete out to them a grievous punishment for their scheming" (6:121–25).
"If God wills to guide a man, He opens his bosom to Islam. But if he pleases to confound him, He makes his bosom small and narrow as though he were climbing up to heaven. Thus shall God lay the scourge on the unbelievers" (6:125).
Archimeded: "In fact, I'd love to see an unbiased scientific study that does nothing else but seek to obtain the best model to predict outcomes."
lol! In other words, careful what you wish for...
Why is it that they need integration? What is it, exactly, in their views, attitudes, beliefs, that needs to be integrated? Do Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, etc., need to be "integrated"?
Posted by Archimedes above
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This is exactly the thing that needs to be questioned. WHY do MUSLIMS need SPECIAL INTEGRATION? I'll tell you why, because they don't fit in with anyone else ANYWHERE on the face of the planet. I was in the car with my bass player and we were talking about stuff to do with Canada and I mentioned the recent arrests of jihadists. He then said something to the affect of "anywhere there's a lot of muslims there's always problems." ....Hit that nail into the coffin, slap my ass and call me Franny! I mean, that says it all right there. Then I told him that France, Germany, Denmark, and England where having these problems as well cause they let their immigration go unchecked for so long (and to their defence there aren't a lot of people around from the crusades to tell us what these people are really like, and we had become complacent). I am wondering recently if the way I'm feeling is the way my grandparent's generation felt in the late 1930's, "Is this really happening?"
Of course the Muslims in Canada can't take any blame for these events: they are behind them.
Anyway, we should make sure that they have no crossed fingers or daggers-in-hand behind their backs when they are making these statements....
I tire of vermin.
Erik: "I am wondering recently if the way I'm feeling is the way my grandparent's generation felt in the late 1930's, "Is this really happening?""
I can understand the feeling of unreality but I see fewer grounds (comparatively speaking) for excuses for failure to grasp the seriousness of the threat, given Islam's 1400 year long history to back up the reality of the menace, as compared to the very brief history of Nazism that our grandparents had to evaluate in weighing the seriousness of the threat that confronted them.
"For various reasons, they appeared to have become adherents of a violent ideology inspired by al-Qaida," Luc Portelance, the assistant director of operations with CSIS — Canada's spy agency, said Saturday.-- From article by BETH DUFF-BROWN, Associated Press Writers
The assistant director has recognized a violent ideology and could it be Islam?
Next step Mr.Portelance, stand up and call it Islam out loud.
This is nothing more than a typical Muslim smokescreen. Blame everybody else except themselves and protect Islam through lies and deception.
But it's getting increasingly difficult for the Islamists to keep pulling the wool over people's eyes. The drop of support for Palestinians in Europe is a hopeful sign that they are starting to see the truth. As more Islamic plots and schemes come to light, as the march of Islamic intolerance continues, it will become harder to convince people to believe that "tiny minority of extremists" twaddle. The politically correct idiocracy will have to work harder to keep up the "Religion of Peace" myth alive.
Even my friend Gary, one of the more oblivious to what's going on people you'll ever meet, asked me this weekend "what's up with these Muslim nut jobs, anyway?"
"Smart Integration"
Yeah, trouble is integration instead of assimilation is what has brought us this far in Canada. People from the four corners of the planet can immigrate to Canada and are not forced to assume a Canadian identity, rather simply asked to tolerate the other strands in the multi-culti fabric.
I abhor the CIC and Mr. Elmasry himself, but I have to say they are smart insomuch as they know how to speak the language of multiculturalism and hypertolerance and get the lefties at all levels of government grovelling before them.
Note the police chief over the past couple days....
Pathetic.
"There is no solid social science research that details why and how imported extremist ideologies are finding their way to some vulnerable Canadian Muslim youth. Zero dollars were spent by governments to investigate and follow up on such disturbing trends.""
You need funding? Here's my $1.28:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140445587/sr=8-2/qid=1149521021/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-5596856-2764943?%5Fencoding=UTF8
"The Canadian Muslim community is law-abiding and loyal, but we have been up front in recognizing that no group is without problems"
Chronic drug use is a problem.
Teen pregnancy is a problem.
Poverty is a problem.
Three tons of explosives, with detonators, is a PLANNED CATASTROPHIC ATTACK!
How many times has it been pointed out by experts on Islam including Robert that the problem with the jihadist Ideology rests with the Muslim community itself. It is their responsibility and their problem alone to address it and work to bring the umma into the modern and civilized world. There remains very little evidence of that happening, in fact it appears more of the opposite is occurring as muslims follow the teachings of Mohammed through the quran and the hadiths.
How will the Islamo-nazis and their quisling allies on the far left and far right tie this to their usual justifications for Islamo-nazi terror: support of Israel or involvement in Operation Iraqi Freedom?
Aly Hindy was also just on the CBC, complaining about "zero dollars" being spent on Islam (and too money spent on CSIS, the police, etc.), claiming that al-Arian was forced to sign a confession, and other nonsense.
Know Islam, no peace; no islam, know peace.
typo: too much money
Archimedes,
There was a terrorist in the Indian state of Kashmir called Aly Hindy. He was named such by his fellow jihadists because he personally killed more than 500 Hindus in Kashmir. I wonder if this is the same guy.
Which type of science does the Canadian Islamic Congress propose that we use to study extremism in Canada’s Muslims - Islamic science - for an Islamic problem?
In Islamic science, there is definitely an "us" and "them", where Muslims hope to one day engineer all non-Muslims’ conversion to an Islamic way of life.
So while we study Canada's specific problem, let’s also examine the world wide phenomena of Muslim attacks on all things non-Muslim – Islamically.
How much money shall we spend and to look where?
Hmm?
If they are Muslims - wouldn't they be following the Koran - Let's start there! Yes - Let's examine the Koran! That should keep costs down and go to the heart of their beliefs!
This is the Muslim ethnicity's "problem"--which we'll see if the Canadian government can solve: it's called the Koran.
Here in a nutshell is the nature of the "problem" which this ethnicity is "not without"...it's to be seen in the celebrated sword passage of the Koran:
"And when the forbidden months have passed, slay the unbelievers everywhere they are found; besiege them, capture them, torture them, prepare every stratagem of warfare for them; take their money if they convert to the ways of al-lah...."
I'd like to see how one 'solves' something like THAT.
By the way, opening a Koran and goading government officials to actually READ IT will cost virtually no money. And that is the only way those Canucks will learn what "problems" this 'ethnicity' is 'not without'. (Although I suspect that deep down they have known all along...probably they are in deeep denial like most of the world).
Will anyone in the governments in the western democracies ever summon the nerve to identify the "problem" Islam is allegedly "not without"? (Hint: it's called Murder).
arjun,
Re Hindy: I'm not sure. Here's some background that will give you a time-line for him. He's been in Canada at least half of his life
http://www.truthandgrace.com/clericscarborough.htm
I suspect he is not a terrorist, but he is an important part of the puzzle. He runs interference, talking a lot to the media (who appear to be fixated on his every mumble) confusing the public about Islam, spinning conspiracy theories (apparently, he believes that 9/11, 7/7, and now this recent bust in Canada, were all set-ups, inside jobs to frame Muslims and make them look bad), etc.
Here's some of that timeline.
Quote:
"Aly Hindy came to Canada in 1975 with a degree in engineering from Cairo's Ain Shams University. He prayed five times a day like other ordinary Muslims, but was not deeply religious. He was clean-shaven back then.
He enrolled at the University of Western Ontario and by 1979, four years after his arrival, completed both his masters and doctorate degrees in structural engineering. For two years, he worked with a company called Stone and Webster, helping design safer nuclear plants in the U.S. In 1981, he joined Ontario Hydro, which later became Ontario Power Generation.
For 21 years, until he took a buyout in 2002, he was a safety expert, designing ways to protect the province's hydro-electric dams and nuclear plants. He was part of a specialized team of about four to six experts whose task included thinking up extreme scenarios such as explosions, tornados or plane crashes in which a nuclear plant could be attacked or be incapacitated. It was the team's job to come up with design solutions that would prevent radioactive material from leaking and endangering people."
End of Quote.
"For 21 years, until he took a buyout in 2002, he was a safety expert, designing ways to protect the province's hydro-electric dams and nuclear plants."
-- from a posting above
He arrived in 1975, aged 25 or so, having graduated from Al Shams. In 2002, he was offered a buyout -- while still in his 50s. Why? What was the reason given? Was it because, after 2001, it was realized by someone somewhere that his continuing in the job he was in was not a good idea?
One wants to learn more.
So yet once again we see an act of Islamic terrorism, or rather intended Islamic terrorism, is transformed into a vehicle for Muslims to make angry demands for more money, more understanding, more exposure to Islam, and funding to strengthen Islam.
If people are too dumb to connect the dots of what Muslims are CLEARLY up to, then it might be said that such persons deserve to reap the whirlwind for their stupidity. Will they wake up in time to avoid the consequences?
Hugh,
Indeed there are many unanswered questions. This Hindy seems to be right at the centre of a lot of trouble in the past few years. This guy is invited on the CBC (at taxpayer expense) to spin conspiracy theories about 9/11 etc., and tells Muslims not to cooperate with CSIS investigations.
Here's something else which caught my eye re the "moderate Muslim" issue. Note that Fatah fancies himself a moderate, and Hindy openly described himself as a "fundamentalist." It looks like the fundamentalist is also rather popular. (Both of these guys are liars).
http://www.truthandgrace.com/clericscarborough.htm
Quote:
"Tarek Fatah, a Toronto television host and founding member of the secular Muslim Canadian Congress, says Mr. Hindy is not the kind of leader Canadian Muslims want or need. He says Mr. Hindy is "medieval" and quite out of touch with the 21st century. "His view of Islam is completely different from mine. It is narrow and he can't even get along with other imams," Mr. Fatah said.
No such doubts about Mr. Hindy's fitness to lead are felt at his congregation.
Last Friday, about 1,000 people packed the mosque to hear Mr. Hindy sermonize in full voice on what it means to be Muslim. After the prayers, people jostled to shake his hand or exchange small talk. They clearly enjoyed his company."
End of quote.
From CIC:
"5. Governments, both federal and provincial, must fund legitimate academic research to diagnose this serious social problem and provide scientific solutions to it."
Simple Scientific Solution;
Legally require the following disclaimer to be placed before each chapter of the Qur'an:
"This collection of sayings although historic in nature, contains verses with violent and/or supremist ideology which shall not be literally interpreted for modern times. Any literal interpretation, dissemination, and/or advocacy of said verses, will be punishable by law. This book shall not be in the possession of, nor the contents of aforementioned verses be made available to, children under the age of 16.”
Archimedes,
They actually let him study 'structural engineering' and work on nuclear power plants ? 9/11 required a brilliant structural engineer. A heinous brain that could calculate the thrust required to bring down the twin towers. Did they find out the structural engineer in the jihadist operation as yet ? If not, I think here is the answer.
Arjun.sevak -- I believe the hirsute Arab known as "Khalid Sheik Muhammad" thought to have "masterminded" 9/11 (now in US Custody -- the Europeans want us to reveal his whereabouts so that his human rights are protected) was a structural engineer.
I think we have the heinous brain, along with the entire living cadaver.
Amidst the jihadist boys planning to destroy southern and eastern Ontario, news from Paul Williams has been percolating about ol' McMaster University, Hamilton, 40 miles of Toronto.
First, the faculty of engineering is comprised of more MOs per capita than any other school in North America.
Second, four BIG TIME terrorists, including this recent case of 'student terrorist', have co-mingled at 'Mac the past 6 years.
Third, in 2003 McMaster University registered a radioactive 'spillage' cited by the Canadian Government, as very significant (unaccounted loss of radioactive material).
Four, it has had an operational & research NUCLEAR REACTOR in place since the early 1950s. Its physics program is advanced, and has had one nobel laurette, with many other outstanding individuals.
In summary, Williams makes the case, that under heavy FBI, CSIS, and RCMP investigation over the past couple of years, McMaster may be the source of the next DIRTY BOMB, even TACTICAL WEAPON, hitting states-side.
He claims the bomb has been built, and awaits the signal from overseas to do its mischief.
Normally, weapons leave a 'signature' easy to trace to host country enriching the material. But in the event of sourced material from good 'ol Mac -- no need to look to Iran -- look to Hamilton, friendly Canadian city from the north, with its friendly MO researchers.
What have others heard? I know Mac well, and buy into Williams theory.