Israeli planes attack 3 Gaza bridges

"In war the only sure defense is offense, and the efficiency of the offense depends on the warlike souls of those conducting it."
GENERAL GEORGE S. PATTON, JR

Bring it to them,
Ronin

I guess they will have to break out their lincoln logs to do some repairs.

I hope Isreal kicks their fannies but good.

Israel sorry

While I don't disagree with this, I wish they sent bombers to Damascus to bomb Khaled Mashal's office/home. If Syria is protecting them, as the previous article showed, take their troops out as well. Sure it would be an act of war - like the abduction of Gilad Shalit wasn't? Unless and until Syria realizes that there is a price tag on harboring Jihadists, they aren't going to stop.

While trying to rescue Shalit is unarguably the right thing to do, the bill has to be footed by Mashal, if the war on terror is to have any meaning. Besides, while he is a member of Hamas, he isn't a member of the PA (not that it should matter). Therefore, he should be a primary target, and Israel can retain deniability of them confronting this "fledgling government", since an attack on Damascus isn't an attack on the PA.

Use some imagination. Think outside the box. And don't worry about weakening the Alawite regime such that the Syrian Muslim brotherhood comes to power. Let them. They won't make peace with Israel, and let Israel eviscerate the Syrian armed forces and extend the Golan Heights to Damascus, gaining necessary strategic depth.

Reporting this, or rather, re-reporting this gives the impression that this site has an agenda other than simply exposing Islam, that is, of seeing a triumphant Israel. I am not suggesting that we should oppose Israel, as it has every right to exist, but to report the military movements of this nation or that nation as cover stories about global jihad is very weak. One wishes we would stick to the global jihad. In the context of global jihad, Israel's actions or inactions are not really relevant. In my opinion, reporting (or overreporting) the story about Israel’s military maneuvers weakens this site.

In addition, I sent Mr. Spencer a bona fide article regarding global jihad, in fact, an article that several readers here might find interesting due to the novel location of the attempted attack: Central/Eastern Europe. Instead of publishing the articles in question, probably out of dislike of the source (myself) of the articles, Mr. Spencer instead chose to publish the military manuevers affecting one nation – yet again. So many articles were published about Israel today, while omitting the one I sent him, one must wonder why that is the case. One of the two articles dealt with a thwarted attack on Romania by an Islamist. Since Romania is larger than Israel, is a staunch ally in the “war on terror,” and most importantly, is part of a region that not seen Islamic terrorism before, I have to wonder why he refused to publicize it.

It is not my website and I have no control over the content, nor do I deserve to have such control, but I can point out intensely strong bias.

They will never make peace. Robert, Hugh and others have convinced me of that. Its, what is that word I am looking for? Taquia/Jisya. I don’t know, I don’t feel I need to understand all their sayings. I only know I will not be here if they ever take control.
KA,
We can’t control where the jihad roams and there are many stories worthy. I my self have sent numerous articles that have never been posted. After all this is only a webpage not a Library. But keep up the fine work and send in those posts. Who knows when you will break into the big time{LOL} As far as an Israeli bias I really don’t see it.

Kafir,

You are jumping to so many conclusions so fast I can barely keep up.

What makes you think I dislike you personally? What makes you think that personal dislike of anyone, if I did have it, would keep me from reporting worthy news?

What does keep me from doing so is the many constraints on my time, and the fact that I get about 500 emails a day. Fact is, I didn't see yours. Please be so kind as to send it again, and I'll be looking for it.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Kafir

You are right. I don't know about you, but speaking for myself, I am biased in favor of Israel. My criteria is simple - I support any Infidel people/nation against Muslims. As a Hindu, I don't have any religious affiliation towards Israel. But that doesn't stop me from supporting Israel against any jihad waged against her. Same for any other country on the receiving end of a Jihad - Serbia, Russia, India, Thailand, Phillipines, Macedonia, et al - I support them all. What you characterize as the military activities of one nation over another (since when was Gaza another nation?) is in fact the description of a Jihad in progress, with the Infidel side fighting back. It's not the same as picking sides in a war between, say, Rwanda and Burundi, or the North Korean impasse.

I take Robert at his word that he gets plenty of e-mails and overlooks a lot of them. I sent him one on D/W an hour ago about the number of visas granted to Saudis this year being double that of the last 3 years. He may see and post it - or not, but even if he doesn't, I don't read anything into it. I posted it myself in the thread on D/W about Saudi schools swine and apes, which anyone can read, since D/W threads move a lot more slower than the ones on J/W.

That's the point. Even if it doesn't get posted, nothing prevents you from posting it in a thread, and it being discussed. There are plenty of OT discussions on all threads, particularly when the topic under consideration doensn't have a recent thread of its own.

Kafir Nonbeliever:

Most in the West refuse to recognize that Global Jihad is a massive worldwide operation and movement trying to take over the world. You can laugh like they laughed at Hitler. Most Americans and Europeans believe press and government nonsense that the Islamic fascists are isolated extremists of limited membership and limited geography. This is a dangerous illusion. The religion of peace.com has assembled a detailed list of the innumerable and simultaneous attacks of Moslems "in India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and..."
Surely these are not isolated attacks or un-coordinated ones. There is a massive campaign to make you a Moslem. You are dealing with Jihadi who pray that Allah will make you booty for them.

Israel is a canary in the cesspool. Israel is like the American Indian. When Balfour said Jews could return to their native land, the Moslems said they would slaughter every remaining Indian. They managed to deport virtually all 1,000,000 who lived in Arab countries and take their property with no compensation whatsover.

Jihadi have been sent into the West Bank, Jordan and Egypt to overthrow those countries and Israel. The Jihadi have attacked in Jordan and Egypt. They have penetrated Gaza. They are helping send thousands of rockets to arbitrarily kill Israelis as they subvert by fear or intimidation the countries around Israel. These scum have calculated if they can create enough chaos they will succeed in taking over these areas in construction of the Caliphate. These scum realize that by using their ruthlessness in the chaos they bring will inherit the earth. Allahu akba? Allahu nakba!

Israel is the West Berlin of Europe under seige surrounded by a hostile Caliphate.

David England,
You are so right in everything but…
Most in the West refuse to recognize that Global Jihad…
That’s not what I hear from my mostly liberal and compassionate neighbors! They understand that a threat exists for their children and grandchildren. They are not happy as you can imagine. What will we do? I suppose that depends on the enemy and what they do. We have yet to reach the boiling point in the US. But we are simmering. As soon as we all recognize that these thugs will murder our old or young first, we will be galvanized together as never before!

Cry Havoc! And let loose the dogs of war.

"Kafir Nonbeliever:

Most in the West refuse to recognize that Global Jihad is a massive worldwide operation and movement trying to take over the world. You can laugh like they laughed at Hitler."

-Above

Who on earth is laughing? This is no laughing matter.

In the context of global jihad, Israel's actions or inactions are not really relevant. In my opinion, reporting (or overreporting) the story about Israel’s military maneuvers weakens this site.
Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at June 27, 2006 08:01 PM
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It appears the kafir may also be semi-anti Israel.

Who else in the world needs more of JW's support than Israel the single democartic Jewish Christian supporting nation in the middle east.

Israel is the only country more hated than America.

Give em hell Israel.

The Texican.

"Reporting this, or rather, re-reporting this [about Israel's moves against the "Palestinians"]gives the impression that this site has an agenda other than simply exposing Islam, that is, of seeing a triumphant Israel. I am not suggesting that we should oppose Israel, as it has every right to exist, but to report the military movements of this nation or that nation as cover stories about global jihad is very weak. One wishes we would stick to the global jihad."
-- from a posting above

What is the "Global Jihad" you refer to if not the sum of all the local manifestations of the same impulse, arising from the same texts and the same attitudes? The Lesser Jihad against Israel is part of the Globel Jihad, and far from getting in the way of comprehension of that Global Jihad, offers a great many lessons to Infidels.

What lessons? Well, the lesson that the Lesser Jihad against Israel was, for a while, deliberately disguised. It was disguised because prior to the OPEC trillions and all the power that brought, prior to the millions of Muslims permitted to settle deep within the Bilad al-kufr of Western Europe and, to a much lesser extent, North America, the main Jihad in town -- the one that the West paid attention to and misunderstoode -- was that against the Infidel state of Israel.

The Israelis of course have refused to recognize the nature of the siege they have undergone, the Arab opposition that began before the state was declared, continued after the state was declared and before there was a single Israeli soldier in either the "West Bank" or Gaza, and that will go on forever, whatever further retreats or surrenders based on miscomprehension, by both the Israelis and those who pressure them, of what they face.

Had the Israelis not been inhibited, had they not been so intent on winning allies among whatever non-Arab Muslim states, whose people were essentially unfriendly or contemptuous or hostile to the Arabs, and whose regimes were run by "secular" Muslims -- i.e. Kemalists in Turkey, Shah Reza Pahlevi in Iran, then they might have begun to understand Islam. But they were ruled, by and large, from people who had come from Europe (the Jews from Arab lands and Iran have come into their own in Israel only quite recently).

And what would that understanding have done? It would have led the Israelis, well-versed in the essential principles of Muslim treaty-making with Infidels, based on the model of Muhammad's treaty with the Meccans at Hudaibiyyah, not to bother too much and certainly not to give up land and other tangible assets to Muslims who have not only failed to live up to every single one of the agreements, ranging from the armistice agreements of 1949, to Nasser's promises (made to Eisenhower and Dulles) in 1956, to the assorted agreements made after the Six-Day War (all those concessions repeatedly squeezed, drop by drop, out of Israel by a series of American secretaries of state, including the egregious Kissinger), to those made after the 1973 War, to all the hustling and bustling about by such non-students of Islam as Richard Haass and Dennis Ross and others who never learned to learn about Islam.

And since the Israelis failed to identify the problem correctly, at a time when, had they done so, Europe still possessed among its leaders those who had a better sense of history, and also did not grow up under the steady stillicide of anti-Israel propaganda that only the most remarkable and level-headed of young Europeans manage to reject in toto, and many perfectly nice people simply know nothing of the history of that area, of the history of the MIddle East, of the League of Nations and the Mandates Commission and the purposes of its various mandates including the Mandate for Palestine, and of course grew up when that fantasy was created and given life -- the local Arabs magically turning into the "Palestinian people."

Had the Israelis understood Islam, they might have managed to convey that understanding to others, including the ruling elites in Europe who, so disastrously, remained equally obtuse when it came to Islam, and let in millions of Muslims without paying any attention either to the tenets and attitudes that Islam inculcates, or to the 1350-year history of Jihad-conquest and subsequent subjugation of every non-Muslim people whose lands the Muslims conquered.

Today, the Arabs and Muslims continue to pretend, aided and abetted by Western hirelings, and by all those who for one reason or another have not studied the Arab siege of Israel (including the demographic and cadastral records of those former Ottoman vilayets that went into making up this "Palestine" that never existed under Muslim rule), that "if only" they were given their way in "Palestine" all manner of things should be well.

We are to believe, I suppose, that Kashmir and the rest of India will be left alone, that Hindus and Christians will no longer be discriminated against, persecuted, even murdered, in Pakistan and Bangladesh, that the disguised Jizyah of the Bumiputra system in Malaysia, that forces local Indians and Chinese to subsidize Muslims at every level, that the Buddhist teachers and monks and villagers murdered in southern Thailand would no longer be murdered, that the As-Sayyaf organization in the Moro Islands would no longer be killing Christian Filipinos, that the Christians in the Moluccas and Sulawesi, and the non-Muslim Chinese everywhere, and the dangerously syncretistic Anbangen, and the Hindus in Bali, would no longer need to worry about Islam or Jemaah Islmaiya and a hundred similar groups, that the Christians in southern Nigeria who tried desperately to escape from the "Jihad" (in Colonel Ojukwu's words in 1969 in the Ahiara Declaration) against them by fighting for an independent Biafra, that the non-Muslim blacks in the southern Sudan, and the non-Arab Muslims in Darfur (Islam is a vehicle for Arab supremacy) would find everything suddenly all right.

And in France, in Italy, in England, in Spain, in Russia, in Denmark, in Sweden, in Belgium, and everywhere else where even relatively small Muslim populations dare demand changes in everything -- in the curricula in schools, in the dress in schools, in the hospital wards and the examining rooms, in the food offered in government canteens, in the demands made for limits on the practice of free speech by free men in Europe, exercising their own freedoms, in so much else -- all this the Arabs and Muslims never mention, but somehow let it be known that Israel's refusal to roll over and play dead (though god knows the Israelis have repeatedly been willing to give up far more than any other people would or should, and seem incapable of learning from their repeated mistakes and surrenders) is what causes all these problems in what we may call the Global Jihad, but which can not be understood unless we study, and analyze, the way the Lesser Jihad against Israel was and continues to be misunderstood, by both the simpletons and the malevolent, and that this has had consequences both for Israel and, possibly as disastrously, for the countries of western Europe as well.

This site does "have an agenda." That "agenda" is to take the side of all those Infidel states and peoples that are threatened by Jihad. That means siding with Israel. It means siding with India over Kashmir. It means taking the side of the blacks in the southern Sudan, should they wish to be protected and to declare independence. It means taking the side of the Ibo and other Christians in Nigeria. It means taking the side of the Serbs when they are now being attacked in Kosovo and Bosnia. It means taking the side of the Armenians as they seek admission of guilt, not by "Turks," but by Muslim Turks and Kurds (and even Arabs in the Syrian desert). It means taking the side of the Thai government if it decides to act decisively, even ruthlessly, in southern Thailand. It means supporting the government of the Philippines as it attempts to crush the As-Sayyaf group.

Do you object? Do you find something wrong with that?

Tell us exactly what.

tgusa

I haven't come across any Liberal who agrees that Islam is a threat, or that a global Jihad threatens them every bit as much as it threatens Conservatives. The only place I've seen that is here. Otherwise, whenever I come across a Liberal, I hear that they are opposed to the war (for all the wrong reasons, not the ones Hugh has listed here), they oppose profiling of Muslims, they are opposed to most domestic security policies that involve surveying Muslims, oppose Gitmo, et al. I really wish I could agree with the Libs on at least this, since they have so much to lose, but unfortunately, the one's I've come across generally don't see it.

Here, here Hugh. Bravo Sir!

KA,
Just when I was beginning to think you were on our side. Without even a response to Mr. Spencer you continue on an antagonistic line. Correct me if I am wrong, but I smell a rat.

I sure wish I was as learned as Hugh and Robert. Putting words to type, as they do. Prey Israel, and the rest of the free nations, keep their eyes open.

Infidel Pride,
I haven't come across any Liberal, who agrees that Islam is a threat,
How many snakes can you have in bed before you start worrying about being bit in the B….?

Kafir Nonbeliever....Israel is the key front on the war with Islam...They claim the city of Jerusalem and key battles will be fought over this city...Islam was born in the Middle East and Israel will be the final battle....that is clear.

Hugh,

I am not suggesting that stories concerning Israel are not worth reporting, or that Israel is not struggling against a like foe (although I do not concede that it is the exact same foe as you suggest). I say it is a like foe because the jihad against Israel has Islam as part of its genesis, but it is not wholly linked to places such as Kashmir, which has long standing historical conflicts. I expect you will argue that Islam instigated the jihad against the Hindus, and thus there is no difference. I think that argument is specious. It may the same agenda to a handful of hard-core extremists, but to most Moslems, there are serious differences.

Even assuming that you are correct that Israel's enemy is the identical enemy to those inhabiting such places as Mindanao, seriously over reporting one particular country gives a impression of serious bias. Since I assume this site has an agenda (much of which I agree with), I am sure you can understand the problem with the appearance of bias. Such over reporting also implies that Israel has a greater importance than say, the Punjab or anywhere on the Philippine archipelago. It doesn't, or shouldn’t, if we are covering jihad in general. That is my opinion.

Tgusa,

I don't want to continue any discussion here that will be disruptive. My comments to Hugh are not intended as disruptive, but rather points of serious discussion. My articles not being printed, in the greater scheme of things, is rather meaningless.

I can assure you I understand this struggle well and am not 'against' you. According, I will address my comments to Mr. Spencer.

Regards,

Kafir

Israel is a canary in the cesspool.

Coal mine, not cesspool, but you are right.

According to the Biased Broadcasting Corporation:

Israel army launches Gaza assault.

Thank you so much sir for showing some manners!

Funny...Islam itself names Israel arch-enemy....I guess some here know more than the enemy itself.

Kafir

What exactly do you mean by "link"? It's true that Jewish claims over Israel are in no way related to Hindu claims over Kashmir, but to say that there is nothing in common? The long standing historical conflicts in Kashmir that you allude to are derived from Jihad, just as is the long standing historical conflicts in Israel. Muslims are taught not to tolerate Jews and Idol-worshipping polytheists (which is why Hindus rank high in their s__t list), which is why they wage war on the former in the Levant, and the latter in Kashmir (and for that matter, within India itself). It's a common ideology that they are practicing, albeit on different enemies.

Do explain why you think the argument is specious. Do you think that Jews started the "Arab-Israeli" conflict? That Hindus started the "Kashmir conflict"? That Catholics started the conflict in Mindanao? That Orthodox Christians started the conflict in the Balkans? What exactly is it about these conflicts that you find so unconnected, other than the disparate identities of the different groups of infidels?

Infidel Pride,Why do you argue with fools…Nariz and unfortunately Kafir?

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
The real Holocaust is what is happening in Palestine where the Zionists avail themselves of the fairy tale of Holocaust as blackmail and justification for killing children and women and making innocent people homeless." ...."Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury." ......."Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm." ... Islam was born in the Middle East and the Jews were one of the first Victims it murdered. Fast forward and Islam calls America the Big Satan....Israel the Little Satan...To say that to Islam the biggest foes are America and Israel is far from an Agenda....Its TRUTH.....When fighting Islam one must always use TRUTH! yes Islam wants to rule the World...But they name the Arch-Enemys...In print and video...its easy to find.

Kafir,
Not to pile on, but Israel is made out to be the bad guy all the time by the MSM that it is only right that JW/DW support them as much as they can. Also, it helps to really see the bias first hand when Robert's and Hugh's historical narrative is added into the mix.

I, too, sent in a story that wasn't put on JW/DW. I thought it was a great story! It even had accompanying video, but it wasn't put on.I'll have to resubmit. It was about a land give-away (akin to the one in Boston) in Italy for a large mosque complete with an "islamic center" so the Catholic community could also come and learn how piece-ful islam is. The townsfolk are up in arms their city council did that despite their protests. I did like seeing Robert's response...I'm sure on any given day there are probably thousands of incidents from the religion of pieces.

So many jihads, so little time....

Another thing, this might be where history points to of the events that catapulted the world into the official WWIII.

Do Mohammedans read a 'different Koran?'

Israel in the Quran

2:47 Children of Israel! call to mind the favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other nations.

2:122 O Children of Israel! call to mind the favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other nations.

7:137 And We made the children of Israel, who were considered weak (and of no account), inheritors of lands in both east and west, - lands whereon We sent down Our blessings. The fair promise of thy Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel, because they had patience and constancy, and We leveled to the ground the great works and fine buildings which Pharaoh and his people erected (with such pride).

17:104 And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land of promise":

10:93 We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them.

20:80 O ye Children of Israel! We delivered you from your enemy, and We made a Covenant with you to give you the right side (the blessed side) of Mount Sinai, and We sent down to you Manna (special food) and quails.

26:59 Thus it was, but We made the Children of Israel inheritors of such things (the promised land)

45:16 We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the Power of Command, and Prophet hood; We gave them, for Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favored them above all other nations.

44: 32 And We have chosen them (the Children of Israel) above the 'Alamn (mankind, and jinns) and our choice was based on a deep knowledge.

32.23] And certainly We gave the Book to Moses, so be not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made it a guide for the children of Israel.

[32.24] And We made of them Guiding Lights and leaders to guide by Our command as they were patient, and they were certain of Our communications.

[17:104] And we said to the Children of Israel afterwards, scatter and live all over the worldand when the end of the world is near we will gather you again into the Promised Land.

(Comment : This last verse proves that the Quran is declaring that it is the will of G-d himself to gather the children of Israel again in their promised land before the end days. Accordingly, No Muslim has the right to interfere with gathering the Jews in Israel again as this is the will of G-d himself. In addition, Honest analysis of the Quranic verses above leads to the conclusion that the West Bank and Gaza are better called the occupied Israeli land.

From Arabs for Israel

Kafir -

Israel is the Islamic testing ground of the Great Lie.

Year after year, decade after decade, repeating over and over again the most outrageous twisted versions of history, using sophisticated worldwide propaganda paid for with oil money, buying trendy university professors by the gross. Media mills grinding out hate-Israel propaganda of barbaric virulence...

The triumph of this lie is the end of freedom in the world.

WWIII?
That is over. The Cold War. WWIV that is where we are now. Totally different, after all the Russians wanted to win but also be alive in the end, our enemy cares not for life but death. Sick? Yes...What do we do? Never give an inch now and forever until the world is safe again.
It will happen.

Sheik Yer'mami--

Problem is, Islam is "replacement theology" on steroids. They think Abraham was a Muslim and worshipped in Mecca; they think Moses was a Muslim, but the Tawrat, or Torah, has been corrupted, and thus corrected/superseded by the Qur'an.

Moreover, they put Ishmael over Isaac, and so since legend has it that the Arab peoples are descended from Ishmael, they would "outrank" the descendants of Isaac.

Perhaps not surprisingly, there's even the claim that Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael himself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael#Muhammad_a_descendant_of_Ishmael

Oh come on Shinolite!
It is no secret where Muhamed resides,
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/dantes_inferno/

Kafir's provocative post:

"I am not suggesting that stories concerning Israel are not worth reporting, or that Israel is not struggling against a like foe (although I do not concede that it is the exact same foe as you suggest). I say it is a like foe because the jihad against Israel has Islam as part of its genesis, but it is not wholly linked to places such as Kashmir, which has long standing historical conflicts. . . .

. . . . Such over reporting also implies that Israel has a greater importance than say, the Punjab or anywhere on the Philippine archipelago. It doesn't, or shouldn’t, if we are covering jihad in general. That is my opinion."

While I respect Kafir's opinion and it is thought provoking, he is wrong. First, turn his point about Israel and the news on its head. Yes, Kafir, you are correct: over reporting on Israel and biased reportage occurs--and Romania and the Philipines and 10000 dead Syrian Islamists at the hand of the late Bashir Assad does not get mentioned enough(or at all). Darfur is neglected . . . hundreds of thousands slaughtered and not a word.

But, Israel attacks a beach in Gaza, killing 'civilians' and CNN caries it in real time. The point that it may have been a fraud is not reported on in the mainstream press. Reagan was said to have been emotionally moved by the picture of a Lebanese Muslim baby with its head covered in white cloth--a victim of Israeli bombing--that was later proved to be false.

So, while much of the world is ignored--vis-a-vis Jihad. I would argue this is unfair--but perhaps tack at it from a different angle: many of the killers in the Sudan or elsewhere in Bosnia ect 'like it just fine.' operating under the radar of the conventional mainstream media, while much of the press Israel gets is blown out of proportion and biased against Israel. No doubt, when civilians--2 or 3 or 4 or 5 are killed by Israel in this incursion, YOU WILL HEAR AND SEE IT LOUD AND CLEAR! But if a few thousand blacks are killed in Africa, and 'voila,' it never happaned, you'll never read or hear about it. So the reportage highlighting Israel is foisted upon us not by Jihad Watch but by the mainstream press which is not always fair, sometimes biased against Israel. What ya see, is not what ya get. This is the first point. Israel wanting to be in the news, or unbalanced news foisted upon the heads of Israel, 'showing' us the brutal Israelis and Palestinian victims.

The second point, like the first, has a kernal of truth. For what unites Jews in Israel with a Buddhist in Thailand or a Hindu in Kashmir or Bangledesh--who has never even seen a Jew. What is the linkage between Israel and the plight of a village in Bosnia. Of course, one could say, well look at these socio-economic differences/cultural differences/ specific reigonal differences. One could look at them and appreciate all sorts of differences between these 'infedels,' and also between the Muslims in 'Palestine' and Turkey, Saudi and Iran, Paris and Detroit and some isolated isle in the philipines.

But, is there any uniting factor that unites Israel between these other conflicts. The Muslim would say, "yes, Israel sets us off--but out of Israel." But, he says that about a lot of places and issues as well. So Israel is just one set of many grievances the Muslim will complain of. Don't ask me or Jihad Watch--listen to any speech or screed by any Islamist--what do you here?? The wearing of the veil in Paris, the 'humiliation' foisted upon Muslims by Denmark, the evils of Palestine, the great satan support of Saudi and Egypt, taking sides in the 'India-Paki conflict,' the treatment and oppression of Muslims in Chechnya and Kashmir. See any patterns. No, it's not that there all involving Muslims--but in each conflict it is the Muslim with their grievances.

But, I'm a big boy, and I kind of smell where your coming from-if ya catch my drift. Realistically speaking, learning about Islam has changed my impression of Israel as well. I am much more realistic. This is no 'conflict' between Israeli's and Palestinians--this is a front of Jihad. One that Israel will I fear one day lose, badly. For I doubt they see it that way, or at least many Israelis I know see it as a conflict of two peoples with grievances, and not for what it is.

"Such over reporting also implies that Israel has a greater importance than say, the Punjab or anywhere on the Philippine archipelago. It doesn't, or shouldn’t, if we are covering jihad in general. That is my opinion."
-- from a posting above

Point #1.

There is no "over reporting." When Israel reacts to Muslim aggression, stories about it appear in great profusion, as they do today at JW. When Denmark's cartoons were in the news, there were for several days five or six different stories about Denmark and threats to Danes. When Muslims riot in France, you will find that stories about France, several at a time, were all over this site.

Point #2.

It would be absurd to overlook the fact that until the last three decades, the Arab Muslims, who are the most important component of Islam (given the Arab supremacism within Islam) were not yet rich enough, did not yet have enough power as a result, and did not yet have Muslims well-settled in Dar al-Harb, to announce, or even to dream, of what is, after all, a permanent feature of Islam: Jihad to spread Islam, to remove all obstacles to its spread, until it dominates and until Muslims everywhere rule. Almost no one outside the subcontinent noticed the steady pressure on Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan, though millions of Hindus did flee. Almost no one, at first, cared to notice the persecution and murder by Muslim Arabs of black African Christians and animists in the southern Sudan; almost ten years went by before here and there attention was given. Few noticed the terrorists supported by Pakistan who drove out several hundred thousand Kashmiri Pandits. Few noticed, when it came to Yugoslavia, anything about Izetbegovic or his background, or the plans he published for imposing Shari'a, and not any of the tens of thousands of anguished pieces denouncing the Serbs ever hinted at the historical fears that some of them must have felt, and that help to explain the support that someone as awful as Milosevich was able to garner.

But long before this, the Lesser Jihad against Israel was the focus of so much attention -- attention that was often delusional, often obsessive, and completely devoid of any historical or other context -- the context of the Mandate for Palestine's provisions, and the context of the rules that have traditionally led to a redrawing of borders, by victors, after every war since time began, such as those in Europe (as after World War I, Italy given the Sudtirol, now Alto Adige, taken from Austria; as after World War II, the redrawing of Polish and other boundaries, the award of Konigsberg - Kaliningrad -- to Russia, and of course the islands won by the Americans, not to mention the many decades of American control of Okinawa).

It would be silly to ignore the central role of Israel as Arab Muslim whipping-boy, and as an example of how an Infidel state should not behave, should learn what Islam is all about. Besides, the loss of Israel would cause a triumphalism in the camp of islam that would far exceed any such gain as, say, suppressing Hindus in Bangladesh or Christians in southern Nigeria or in the Moro Islands. One can take a keen interest in the fate of Thai control of the areas now threatened by Muslims, but also realize that that is not central to Muslim ambitions as is the desire to eliminate the Infidel state of Israel.

"To cover jihad in general," if by that you mean give exactly the same amount of attention to each area, or each country, would be silly. It would be ahistorical. It would be to misinterpret the significance that the loss of Israel would mean for Jews, for Christians (renewed Muslim control of either the Old City, or of all of Jerusalem, or of any part of the Holy Land, would in the present world surely lead to Muslims, convinced of their final triumph, to make Christians beg for access (after all, Christians in the 20th century emptied out of Turkey and much of the Middle East, and they are now leaving Iraq), and their controlling the Holy Land would whet, not sate, their appetites for further conquest.

That is part of the reason.

And it is more than "just my opinion." Opinions that are not grounded in both the adducing of historical evidence, including the evidence of the belief-system and history of Islam as a guide to future behavior, and without any observable logic to them -- mere assertion is not logic -- can be safely ignored.

If you're the praying kind, please keep Israel and tsahal in your prayers? It's going to be a hard few days for everyone, especially for the families of both the kidnapped soldier, Gilad Shalit, as well as the yeshiva boy, Eliyahu Asheri from Itamar who was kidnapped Sunday.

All this talk about Israel?

A fly speck of a country in geographic terms. Yet the pivotal point in global history.
Why? I feel I have read this somewhere before? Is it true, what they say in the New Testament? Sure seems to be prophetic. The mark of the beast and all that.
Somewhat like the blackfinger of islam?
I am not over religious but when a mule kicks you in the head you do not ask why.

As far as our dead and wounded. history will show them to be the next...Greatest of Greatest Generation , I am so proud of all of them.
I am at a loss for words,
But I will say that my relatives who fought with Washington are no doubt extremely proud to be followed by even better.

How many snakes can you have in bed before you start worrying about being bit in the B….? Posted by: tgusa

As to your other question, I generally assume that anyone who is with us on the issue of Jihad has a modicum of intelligence, and go from there. And I do encourage them to put any arguments that would disprove my assertions.

Hugh

Your point #2 is an excellent reason. While I feel a sense of solidarity with Infidels everywhere (another great thing that I owe you), it's strongest for the Jews, given the stakes involved. While the Jews without the Holy Land by itself may not mean much (any more than say, Zoroastrianism without Iran), the more disastrous outcome of such a conquest by Islam makes it imperative that despite our individual local priorities, or our lack of personal affiliation to Israel, we support Israel in this fight. Like David England pointed out above, Israel is like the West Berlin of today almost buried in the Communist bloc of today - the Arab empire.

P.S. Robert, I see you did post my contribution after all. I'm so touched that you don't have any personal dislike towards me - I've decided to cancel my plans for flaming you for the posts of Salahuddin, John Howard, Naseem and Mohideen (along the lines of CAIR and others flaming you for most of our posts)

That was rhetorical sarcasm. I was being facetious. I do appreciate you insults to my intelligence, you are so kind. Next time I post I will consult my picture dictionary first.

Sorry, I didn't see that you were being facetious. Didn't mean to insult your intelligence.

Infidel Pride,
No apology needed.
We are on the same side.
I have always had my remarks misinterpreted.

Here's why we will continue losing.

At last a decent government - prepared to defend its citizen at all cost, but not by dishonest and undignified means (i.e. bribing the terrorists like the Italians or Germans did to secure the release of their citizens from the claws of the kidnappers in Iraq or succumbing to the terrorists demands - what a joke to demand unleashing hundreds of present or future jihadists in exchange for one soldier!). I salute Israel - a nation that would fight for everybody, even one young Israeli soldier. Go Israel, go! You will win!

And after they finish with Gaza, perhaps they can turn their attention to that abomination on top of Temple Mount.

Unless the IDF has specific knowledge that the hostages are still alive (I have my doubts), and specific knowledge of their whereabouts, it would be incredibly stupid to send troops into Gaza at this time, placing them at extreme risk and feeding the whole al-jezerra/bbc propaganda machine. There are far more effective ways to discourage the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers and citizens .... like taking out the entire hamas leadership, or like taking out key iranian and syrian operatives, or even a mullah or two. The mobots just follow orders. You must remove the head from the snake.

From Fox News:

White House Declines to Criticize Israel on Gaza Incursion

Wednesday, June 28, 2006

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration declined to condemn Israel for knocking out electricity and water supplies for most residents of the Gaza Strip in response to the kidnapping of one of its soldiers by Hamas-affiliated militants.

Instead, White House press secretary Tony Snow urged Hamas to release the soldier and urged Israel not to harm innocent civilians and "avoid the unnecessary destruction of property and infrastructure" as it tries to get him back.

"The hostage-taking and the attacks by Hamas last weekend have precipitated the current events in Gaza," Snow said. "Israel has the right to defend itself and the lives of its citizens. ... Let's just point out, once again, you have the Israeli forces trying to reclaim somebody who was kidnapped and is being held hostage in Gaza. And they are doing what they can to return him."

Snow would not comment on any of the specific actions taken by Israel. "I am not going to get into rendering judgment on any of the operational details of what's going on there," he said.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, traveling with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in Moscow, said Rice spoke with Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni on Wednesday, and has also spoken with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. He urged Israel "to ensure that innocent civilians are not harmed," McCormack said.

Echoing the militants who have been holding the hostage since Sunday, the Hamas-led Palestinian government called for a prisoner swap with Israel.

Israel has sent in troops and tanks and bombarded bridges and a power station in an offensive that began Wednesday. Some 1.3 million people live in the Gaza Strip.

Interesting.... very interesting.

Shy Guy

I didn't exactly follow what happened after the Israeli coalition of Kadima-Labor was formed. I thought that Shaul Mofaz was still Defense minister. Isn't he still in Kadima, or did he cross over to Likud?

And after they finish with Gaza, perhaps they can turn their attention to that abomination on top of Temple Mount.

Allowing the abomination to stand where it should not, while forever attempting to parry the unending blows of its namesake "martyr's brigade" is like framing the coalition efforts as a "war on terror" - instead of "The Counter-Jihad Forces". Target the source of Jihadist ideology, the islamic scriptures and their claims that infidels (particularly Jews) are evil and must be destroyed. Target the abomination, remove it, reposess every brick taken from the Temple, and deliver the rest back to Mecca. Call its terrorist devotees by their real name, "The Temple Mount Squatters Gestapo Brigades". Allowing the Waqf autonomy in the heart of Israel is madness. The Counter Jihad Forces should fight for the Jew's right to visit their own historic sites, both in Israel and Arabia. Enough pussyfooting with terrorists. The "most holy sites in Islam" are being systematically destroyed by the Saudis, while the sacred grounds of Jews, Hindus, Christians, Budhists and every other religion are desecrated with wanton hatred by the religion of peices. They've drawn the frontline in Israel, and made it clear which way the line will move - so the Counter Jihad Forces should be trying to move it back to Arabia. The "third most holy site in Islam" is the chief ideological weapon being waged against the rest of the world. Take it down....

And Israel continues to find their missing soldier.