It's the jihad, stupid

Barring one or two, none looks like a fanatic that we see on the tv and those that walk our streets in full islam gear (beard, sack-clothes). It is much harder to associate normal looking people with the fanatics who actually look the part. Boy, this is going to be dirtier than I thought.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed in Bombing Raid......Its hope!....A long way from winning the War...but hope....A battle won!..

interesting to see how are called mohammed

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed in Bombing Raid Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed in Bombing Raid Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed in Bombing RaidAbu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed in Bombing Raid......by the way.......Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed in Bombing Raid

I know what all those men have in common. They are all ugly. Disgusting maggots. Why can't we get some good looking terrorist for a change. You know, like in the Bruce Willis movies.

Some new information about the jihad plot against Canada can be found at this page...
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/06/07/documents07062006.html

...go to this 4-minute clip.
Video
Terry Milewski reports for CBC-TV (Runs 3:48)Play: http://www.cbc.ca/clips/rm-lo/milewski-bombthreat060607.rm

The alleged jihadists called the plot "Operation Badr"

Am I the only one that gets a virulent, violent reaction when I have to see those faces at 7 AM with my coffee?

The "common thread" the MSM can't seem to find is Islam and the Quran. The only way those faces would look good is if they had bullet holes between their eyes. Of course I mean that in a peaceful way.

Al-Qaida in Iraq confirmed the death of its leader, Abu Musab al- Zarqawi, and vowed it will continue its "holy war" in a statement posted on the Web on Thursday.

"We want to give you the joyous news of the martyrdom of the mujahed sheik Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," said the statement, signed by "Abu Abdel- Rahman al-Iraqi," identified as the deputy "emir" or leader of al- Qaida in Iraq.

"The death of our leaders is life for us. It will only increase our persistence in continuing holy war so that the word of God will be supreme," it said.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/08/D8I40FC00.html

Hey Robert,

Have you seen Michelle Malkin's online videos called 'Vent'? We need this kind of thing from you too, and Hugh Fitzgerald. Seriously!

HEY MSM
If it looks like a pig, smells like a pig and walks like a pig!-----Well You know.

This picture should remind ALL what we are up against.

Thanks to both David Lunde and the wonderful software program, Photoshop for the above picture.

No FOEHAMMER you're not the only one who developes psychopathic tendencies when these 9/11 hijackers are displayed for all to spew on. These allahu arkbar puppets were instructed to shave and blend in for their premeditated onslaught on the innocent... The elephant in the living room is shitting all over the place now.

Yeah, look at 'em. A bunch of brainwashed 20- and 30-somethings who've decided to dictate to the rest of us how we're supposed to live. Why don't these Mohammedan-fans just go to their Islamic hellholes, like Bangladesh, Pakistan, etc., and leave the rest of us alone? That'd be the best way to stop these jihadi-wannabes. You're caught, you're dumped in the nearest Islamic hellhole. Live your dreams there. No trial. No nice, cushy jail here. Just a one-way trip to Islamicstan. You and every one of your worthless, poxy family. Especially those ones in the black tents.

BukhariV1B7N1331 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me. 1. Allah made me victorious by awe by His terrorizing my enemies. 2. The earth has been made for me. 3. Booty has been made lawful for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. 4. I have been given the right of intercession. 5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.’” Bukhari:V9B87N127 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given the keys of eloquent speech and given victory with terror.’” .................ANOTHER BOOK..............Passage Proverbs 8:13-14:

13 To fear the LORD is to hate evil;
I hate pride and arrogance,
evil behavior and perverse speech.

14 Counsel and sound judgment are mine;
I have understanding and power.

I need some jihadwatch help. I've been sending some links and pages to my friends to show them the depth of the jihad problem. I have a friend who is leftist out in California who has tried to counter me with the 'all religions have the fundametalists' and the moral equivalency argument. I would like to show how it's all grounded in the Sunnah and the Qur'an but would like to do it fast.

I'm looking for some copies of posts by Archimedes. Some of the older ones which laid out all the intolerant verses... this will show what is sanctioned by Allah for all time. Then I'll put in some of the more virulent ahadith and maybe some examples of Mohammed's behavior to finish it off.

Does anyone have a copy of some of the Archimedes' posts? If you're out there, would you please put your list of citations up again Archimedes?

Thanks

Also - my friend has brought up Indonesia to counter my claim that Islam in the majority is a very bad thing.

Can you folks help me out with some good examples of why this still applies to even Indonesia? Thanks, the effort will help.

Tabari VIII:13 “These cities were conquered in the time of Umar, Uthman, and others, Muslims used to say, ‘Conquer for yourselves whatever seems good to you; for by Allah you have conquered no city but that Muhammad was given its keys beforehand.’”
Ishaq:475 “Allah commanded that horses should be kept for His enemy in the fight so they might vex them. We obeyed our Prophet’s orders when he called us to war. When he called for violent efforts we made them. The Prophet’s command is obeyed for he is truly believed. He will give us victory, glory, and a life of ease. Those who call Muhammad a liar disbelieve and go astray. They attacked our religion and would not submit.”
Ishaq:489 “War is kindled by passing winds. Our swords glitter, cutting through pugnacious heads. Allah puts obstacles in our victims’ way to protect His sacred property and our dignity.”
Qur’an:24:55 “Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good work that He will make them rulers of the earth. He will establish in authority their religion—the one which He has chosen for them.”
Ishaq:594 “The Apostle gave gifts to those whose hearts were to be won over, notably the chiefs of the army, to win them and through them the people.”

Qur’an:5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive after corruption, making mischief in the land [those who refuse to surrender to Islam] is murder, execution, crucifixion, the cutting off of hands and feet on opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned. That is their degradation and disgrace in this world. And a great torment of an awful doom awaits them in the hereafter. Except for those who repent (and become Muslims) before you overpower them and they fall into your control.”
Ishaq:208 “When Allah gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second Aqaba contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of submission. Now we bound themselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle. He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances.”
Ishaq:472 “Muhammad’s Companions are the best in war.”
Qur’an:8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”
Qur’an:8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I am with you. Give firmness to the Believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

feralee sez:

"...brainwashed 20- and 30-somethings who've decided to dictate to the rest of us how we're supposed to live. Why don't these Mohammedan-fans just go to their Islamic hellholes, like Bangladesh, Pakistan, etc., and leave the rest of us alone?"

They can't.
The Koran commands them to wage violent jihad against infidels & Jews & 'polytheists'- Jihad is mandatory and all the world must submit to Islam... Every year they have to 'strive' at least once, go on raids, and don't forget, there is also the promise of 'booty', because "Allah made booty lawful", and then there is the promise of slaves and the rape of the infidel women...

No. They will not go back to their islamic hell-holes. They don't want to stew in their own juices, they would suffocate. They see their purpose in life to destroy us, to make us submit, to kill or violently convert us. Until we get out act together and ship them out they will not just leave.

But we can help them along... But first we have to fight the enemy from within...

Qur’an:8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”
Qur’an:8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”
Ishaq:588 “When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.”
Tabari IX:42 “We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not have the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized.”
Ishaq:326 “Allah said, ‘No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammad said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’”

A Plague -

try this link:

http://www.angelfire.com/moon/yoelnatan/koranwarpassages.htm

It lists 164 jihad verses in the Koran.

I think it may be erroneous to suggest that jihadists (male anyway) usually go around in odd clothes and long beards:
'These allahu arkbar puppets were instructed to shave and blend in for their premeditated onslaught on the innocent'
Some of them don't look old enough to have a long beard anyway... hence the 'they were such nice boys' comments in the media after raids etc. They don't ALWAYS wear arabic headbands and suicide belts going 'jihad jihad' either!

Thank you for posting pictures of all those Methodist terrorists. : )

FOR YOUR LEFTIST FRIENDS:

Print-out the homepage located at: (right click open in new window) www.thereligionofpeace.com and tell him that the comparison of Islam to any other "religion" results in proving that historically Islam has initiated violence by a factor of about 1000 to 1.

Tell your leftist friend that those who commit violence in the name of Islam are actually following Islam closer than the moderates.

Tell your leftist friend that those who commit violence in the name of Christianity (hard to find) are not following the teaching of the New Testament, which Christians follow. Tell him that Christians DO NOT FOLLOW THE OLD TESTAMENT. The Old Testament is/was a historical record of LAW, and a record of WHAT HAPPENED.

Tell him that like it or not, this is the age of the Rise of Islam and that no other religion, Hindu, Christianity, Buddhist, Judaism, Unitarian or other poses a global totalitarian forceful violent threat.

Next, tell him that there are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world and that if only 10% of them are radical and ready to ignite the world (literally) then we're talking about 130 MILLION people who are ready to couple religion, politics and militancy all in one tight totalitarian package.

Can you folks help me out with some good examples of why this still applies to even Indonesia? Thanks, the effort will help.

From 2002:
But this week, you probably ought to ask the Christians who live in the Moluccas, part of that grab-bag menagerie of nations, Indonesia. This Sunday, thousands of black-clad Muslims attacked the Christians of Ambon, the province’s capital, wielding rifles, gasoline bombs and swords.

Then, finally, instruct your leftist friend to go live, 2 years each, in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Indonesia, then come back and try and spew the leftist moving-target garbage around to people.

There's more: just run a google search for either
Islam tolerance
or
Islam violence

Shiva,
Some updates from Indonesia, please.

A plague:

Honestly, there is nothing better than just picking up the Qur'an and reading the first few chapters (a 100 pages tops); that, alone, will blow your friend's mind:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

Here is my summation of the Shariah from the Umdat al Salik; look at the entry under Jihad!

http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/21475

An atheist's guide to Mohammedanism (assuming your friend is of that belief system):

http://atheists.org/Islam/mohammedanism.html

The history of the Jihad:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/history/chronology/century7.html

Chronolgy of Battles initiated by Muslims:

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/25309

The Jihad verses in the Qur'an:

http://www.angelfire.com/moon/yoelnatan/koranwarpassages.htm

Taqiyya and Kitman:

http://www.ci-ce-ct.com/Feature%20articles/02-12-2002.asp

Counter Jihad Education Task Force:

http://www.co-jet.org/

Islam and the Psychology of the Musulman:

http://musulmanbook.blogspot.com/

Robert Spencer, Michelle Malkin, and Londonistan author Melanie Phillips are spot on in their assessment of the dangerous situation we face.

I want to commend them for their work, as well as the people who post here, because you have correctly identified the threat and you are doing something about it!

“sunlight is the best disinfectant; electric light the best policeman”
US Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

Keep telling EVERYONE what you know! Someday they may have to get the message.

However, please don't be complacent, it is likely that the future bumper crop of jihadist-muslim-islamic-terrorists may not appear middle-eastern looking at all.

A plague:

I forgot:

Hugh Fitzgerald's Islam for the Perplexed!

http://www.falange.us/perplexed.htm

Two gems from the lefty "Canadian Dimension". Not recommended for the short-tempered...

"There is reason to believe there are Muslim extremists in Canada"

http://canadiandimension.com/articles/2006/06/07/498/

and

"(...) they threw the whole book at these youngsters. Not one has any previous criminal record. According to one lawyer, they have been given so little evidence that it‚s hard to know the substance of any of the allegations. The bottom line seems to be that CSIS pretends these kids were in the „late stages‰ of a plan to overthrow the Canadian government! "

http://canadiandimension.com/articles/2006/06/07/497/

A plague click on my post name for a an Islamic montage from 'masters of chaos', your lefty friend should enjoy that.

It seems like others have given you some good quotes already. Storagemanager is doing a great job of posting Koranic verses. I am sure if Archimedes turns up he will have plenty for you. Heres some from him that I saved just in case.

First, the definition of fitnah:
http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html
"Fitnah: Polytheism and to disbelieve after one has believed in Allah, or a trial or a calamity, affliction or to set up rivals in worship with Allah, etc."
[Note: Fitnah is worse than killing a believing Muslim, 2:191, 2:217. The worst possible sin in all of Islam according to the Koran is disbelief in or denial of Allah (10:17, 11:18-19, 18:15, 18:57, 29:68, 32:22, 39:32, 61:7)].
http://muttaqun.com/quran/e/nobe002.htm#2:193

2:190. And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihâd, but it was supplemented by another].
191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
192. But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
194. The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of Equality (Qisâs). Then whoever transgresses the prohibition against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Allâh, and know that Allâh is with Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
195. And spend in the Cause of Allâh (i.e. Jihâd of all kinds, etc.) and do not throw yourselves into destruction (by not spending your wealth in the Cause of Allâh), and do good. Truly, Allâh loves Al-Muhsinûn (the good-doers)."
[Fight them, killing them, until there is no more fitnah, where the category fitnah includes disbelief/polytheism, presence of disbelievers (8:73), etc. Also compare 2:193 with 8:39; they are basically the same sentiment]
8:39. "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do."
[Note: That remark about "in the whole of the world" is added by the author of the Noble Qur'an. Keep in mind that Islam is a mission to all mankind 34:28, and Islam's mission is to conquer all other religions, 9:33, 48:28, 61:9]
Next, 33:60-62 says that those who spread false news, stirring trouble and sedition against Islam (e.g., by criticising or mocking Islam, thereby upsetting Muslims or insulting their prophet) will be summarily executed:
33:60. "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease (evil desire for adultery, etc.), and those who spread false news among the people in AlMadinah, cease not, We shall certainly let you overpower them, then they will not be able to stay in it as your neighbours but a little while.
61. Accursed, wherever found, they shall be seized and killed with a (terrible) slaughter.
62. That was the Way of Allâh in the case of those who passed away of old, and you will not find any change in the Way of Allâh."
[That last statement makes it clear: This rule applies for all time].
Allah not only approves of killing disbelievers, but he goes further and says they should go kill themselves if they don't want Mohammad to succeed in conquering the world (i.e., if they oppose Islam and its goals):
22:15. “Whoever thinks that Allâh will not help him (Muhammad SAW) in this world and in the Hereafter, let him stretch out a rope to the ceiling and let him strangle himself. Then let him see whether his plan will remove that whereat he rages!”
Tafsir confirms that this verse really does say “go hang yourself” (if you oppose Mohammad and his goals). Some translations say cut himself off (means sever his soul from the body and the earth), but this still means kill himself.
Here are a few more:
[Shakir 47:4] “So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.”
33:26 YUSUFALI: And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners.
[Shakir 8:12] “When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”
9:111. Verily, Allâh has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allâh's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'ân. And who is truer to his covenant than Allâh? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success.
9:12. "But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism then fight (you) the leaders of disbelief (chiefs of Quraish - pagans of Makkah) - for surely their oaths are nothing to them - so that they may stop (evil actions).
13. Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makkah) and intended to expel the Messenger, while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allâh has more right that you should fear Him, if you are believers.
14. Fight against them so that Allâh will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people,"
Muslims must be prepared and willing to kill themselves in Allah's Cause (and will receive the highest reward):
4:66. "And if We had ordered them (saying), "Kill yourselves (i.e. the innnocent ones kill the guilty ones) or leave your homes," very few of them would have done it; but if they had done what they were told, it would have been better for them, and would have strengthened their (Faith);
67. And indeed We should then have bestowed upon them a great reward from Ourselves.
68. And indeed We should have guided them to a Straight Way.
69. And whoso obeys Allâh and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), then they will be in the company of those on whom Allâh has bestowed His Grace, of the Prophets, the Siddiqûn (those followers of the Prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them, like Abu Bakr AsSiddiq radhiallahu'anhu), the martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are!
70. Such is the Bounty from Allâh, and Allâh is Sufficient as AllKnower.
71. O you who believe! Take your precautions, and either go forth (on an expedition) in parties, or go forth all together.
72. There is certainly among you he who would linger behind (from fighting in Allâh's Cause). If a misfortune befalls you, he says, "Indeed Allâh has favoured me in that I was not present among them."
73. But if a bounty (victory and booty) comes to you from Allâh, he would surely say - as if there had never been ties of affection between you and him - "Oh! I wish I had been with them; then I would have achieved a great success ( a good share of booty)."
74. Let those (believers) who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter fight in the Cause of Allâh, and whoso fights in the Cause of Allâh, and is killed or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward.
75. And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allâh, and for those weak, illtreated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."
76. Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allâh, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Tâghût (Satan, etc.).[] So fight you against the friends of Shaitân (Satan); Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Shaitân (Satan).
77. Have you not seen those who were told to hold back their hands (from fighting) and perform As-Salât (IqâmatasSalât), and give Zakât, but when the fighting was ordained for them, behold! a section of them fear men as they fear Allâh or even more. They say: "Our Lord! Why have you ordained for us fighting? Would that you had granted us respite for a short period?" Say: "Short is the enjoyment of this world. The Hereafter is (far) better for him who fears Allâh, and you shall not be dealt with unjustly even equal to the Fatilâ (a scalish thread in the long slit of a datestone).
78. "Wheresoever you may be, death will overtake you even if you are in fortresses built up strong and high!" And if some good reaches them, they say, "This is from Allâh," but if some evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you (O Muhammad SAW)." Say: "All things are from Allâh," so what is wrong with these people that they fail to understand any word?"
Notes: "Fighting in Allah's cause":
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 3, Number 125: Narrated Abu Musa: A man came to the Prophet and asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What kind of fighting is in Allah's cause? (I ask this), for some of us fight because of being enraged and angry and some for the sake of his pride and haughtiness." The Prophet raised his head (as the questioner was standing) and said, "He who fights so that Allah's Word (Islam) should be superior, then he fights in Allah's cause."
Sahih Muslim, Book 020, Number 4684 (also 4685, 4686, 4687):
It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Musa Ash'ari that a desert Arab came to the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, one man fights fgr the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and another fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valour in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the cause of God? The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the way of Allah.
More on the motive for fighting in Allah's cause:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause."
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 352: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees him who strives in His Cause and whose motivation for going out is nothing but Jihad in His Cause and belief in His Word, that He will admit him into Paradise (if martyred) or bring him back to his dwelling place, whence he has come out, with what he gains of reward and booty."
Posted by: Archimedes at March 11, 2006 02:19 PM

Did these guys become so ugly BEFORE or AFTER they became jihadists????

Mike McDonell the Royal Canadian Mounted Police assistant commissioner should be fired. If he honestly believes these people represent a broad spectrum of society he is too stupid to do his job.

A Plague,

Wow, these JWers know how to help! My apologies if I'm too late, but here is a good collection of quotes that won't be disputed.

Notes and quotes on the Ultimate Goal of Islam, here.
http://islamwatch.forumup.in/about252-islamwatch.html

You will also find a lot of useful quotes in here

http://www.islam-watch.org/Archemedez/KillingInKoran.htm

The key difference between Islam and all those other religions is that only Islam seeks to conquer the world and permits the use of force if necessary to ensure that this happens, and this jihad must go on until the Last Day. Of course, Christianity seeks converts, but explicitly forbids the use of force in recruiting them. Judaism permits the use of force to defend its homeland, but not for conquering the world or running around trying to convert everybody.

Only Islam today officially approves of killing apostates, blasphemers, adulterers, and gays and lesbians.

Is that your work Archimedes?

http://islamwatch.forumup.in/about252-islamwatch.html

http://www.islam-watch.org/Archemedez/KillingInKoran.htm

Or someone with a similar name, I am taking my time reading it but it is already a valuable resource.

A Plague on Both Houses:

If you want to know how bad it is in Indonesia with regards to the effects of the Muhammedan death cult on the Indonesian people and the society in which they live, there is truly no substitute for first hand experience: a plane ticket to Indonesia from the USA is not that expensive (usually less than a thousand bucks round trip). Yes. You heard me right. Go to Indonesia yourself (and I don't mean Bali).

(Maybe you should)go there and make the observations for yourself on the impact of Islam on mainstream Indonesia.

If you are afraid to go there for reasons of personal safety, then you have probably answered your own question...

ps-I went there and lived to tell about it...

It's not "back to Brangelina," but back to Haditha, back to U.S. atrocities, back to the evil Bush (murdering crusader, pawn of the oil companies, destroyer of civil rights, hater of homosexuals, etc.), global warming (or is it cooling, this decade?), evil rich people (except rich Libs), the heterosexual AIDS epidemic, you name the defeatist, anti-American, anti-capitalist media attack of your choice. But please, Michelle, not Brangelina.

D. Ox

p.s. on Islam as a violent, murderous religious culture it's enough to look at what THEY HAVE DONE HISTORICALLY. Check out this short chronology:

http://thomistic.blogspot.com/2006/02/religion-of-peace-updated.html

km,

Is that your work Archimedes?

Yes. BTW, I recommend Abul Kasem's detailed study of 100 cases of Islamic terrorism carried out under Mohammad's orders. It's long, but a good resource.

http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/RootsTerrorism0.htm