"Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks..." (Qur'an 47:4). From AP, with thanks to Mackie:
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Explosives experts had to dismantle three roadside bombs to reach the brutalized bodies of two missing U.S. soldiers, whose remains were found tied together with a bomb between one soldier's legs, the U.S. military said.In a statement that provided additional details of the killings, the military said the bodies of U.S. Army Pfc. Kristian Menchaca of Houston and Pfc. Thomas Tucker of Madras, Ore., were found at 7:50 p.m. on June 19 not far from where they were abducted when insurgents attacked their checkpoint.
The military said it waited until the next morning to recover the bodies because an Iraqi in the area had warned the area was booby-trapped....
A U.S. military official said last week that one and possibly both young men were tortured and beheaded.
A U.S. military official said last week that one and possibly both young men were tortured and beheaded
God grant them and their families peace. But did we expect anything else from these demon-worshipping monsters?
That there is no outrage to this most recent atrocity within the Muslim World is a foregone conclusion and something we have become accustomed to... but what about having some show of outrage by the non-muslim world? Why isn't everyone up in arms against the Muslim world?
Too bad the US doesn't follow Israel's example, and "clean house" for one kidnapped soldier. I hope our leaders value our guys as much as Israel values theirs.
/cannon fodder
Razdan - People everywhere will not be up in arms against the Muslim world because (1) most have absolute no idea what we are up against; and (2) we are bound and tied by conventions which are exploited by them, to their advantage.
Need clarification? Guantanamo is the best example. While the American military feeds and keep alive those detainde there, the enemy systematically kidnaps, tortures and kills our people. But, yes, you're more likely to see an uprising against Guantanamo within the US, than outrage against the barbaric behavious of the followers of Mo, the Pedo.
Razdan,
Sadly you are very correct. Whats even sadder is the pathetic response to this by the press and political leadership in the USA (both democrates and republicans in congress and senate).
I have not seen this much indifference to our fallen soliders by our politicians and press since the cole bombing in yemen.
I wish the next time President Bush heard some whinney liberal or European leader cry about "torture" at guantanamo bay, he shows them a picture of our two heroic fallen soliders and says "this is torture" and then tells them to shut up....
War is war, so when you unjustly invade a country and kill 10000s of its civilians, dont cry when your 'soldiers'get killed. its funny how u people are the first to use war quotes out of the quran, but ignore either the situation it applies to or the lines coming before or after.
van der Ley
You are so right!! You hit the nail right on the head!! These “insurgents - non-combantants” are nothing but criminals and murderers of the worst kind that should be dealt with in the most severe manner. These criminals victimize innocent people and citizens. When politicians and governments do nothing - the people and citizens are again victimized. When the people and citizens remain silent and allow this to happen, they are victimized by their own. This is absolutely unbelievable. This like a nightmare dream. The outrage should be on the verge of riots.
adobe
How right you are. As I said - this is like a nightmare dream. I fear that this is going to get much worse until the citizens wake up. When they do, I hate to think what will happen.
Not to upset anyone further, but I have recieved more word about the torture these poor men went through.
Apperently, the soldiers had their testicles chopped off, and were violently sodomized with an object. I am trying to get more information on the situation but this is from a reliable source.
Patriot 1/17
Know the Enemy. Know Yourself.
Please! Nobody answer Salhudin! Maybe he'll go away. His brain is on Islam.
Patriot 1/17, 'torture' face it they got offered a last supper and asked for that instead
'tortured': Why is it that we are not being given details about this torture? I saw photos of the guy with the underwear on his head for days on end, but I don't have a clue how our own soldiers were mistreated?
What's wrong, media agencies? Are you afraid Americans might get violent if we know the truth? Are you afraid we might REACT IF WE KNOW THE TRUTH?!
You should be. Damn afraid.
Even civilized people can only take so much. This should be the straw that broke the camel's back. The general's should say that's it and stand up for our service men and women. This should NEVER happen again. There are too many criminals running free and since we don't know who is who and which is which, take care of the lot and let God sort them out.
All the pissing and moaning about the mild abuses/hazing that took place at Abu Grahib and possibly Guantanamo coming from "human rights" groups and muslims is really starting to ring hollow after the utter silence from these same groups in the light of the brutal kidnapping, torture, and murder of these soldiers and Russian diplomats by islamic scum.
The American armed forces abide by the Geneva Conventions. The treatment of POWs is a significant portion of those conventions. Those who do not abide by international law of war will find that the same Geneva Conventions that dictate their conduct in the treatment of bona fide POWs also provide an exemption to abide by them by the opposing forces if they are violated, i.e., abide by the Conventions or be subject yourself to disregard for them by the opposition without risk of war crime culpability. The gist is that anyone who disregards the Conventions is subject to treatment or extermination by the opposition without the opposition forces having to abide by the Conventions themselves. Thems the rules that the whole world abides by. The Americans are now free to use whatever force they deem necessary to liquidate the culprits of this heinous war crime.
"War is war,"
Posted by: salahudin
My, my, interesting statement from the one who will not be named. Usually we hear how the US bombed the Japanese from old "peace and love".
Sorry poetcomic1, I had to.
Foehammer said:
“What's wrong, media agencies? Are you afraid Americans might get violent if we know the truth? Are you afraid we might REACT IF WE KNOW THE TRUTH?!”
From the AP:
"The two bodies, severely traumatized, were found bound together with an (improvised explosive device) between one of the soldier's legs," it said. "The engineers successfully cleared the IED and the surrounding area to allow recovery of the remains."
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This may seem to indicate that the IED between the soldier’s legs was detonated. This would also explain why only DNA would confirm the soldier’s identities. How would they NOT know whether one or both men were tortured and beheaded unless the bodies were further traumatized by the explosives? Just a thought …
Foehammer is right, the media could try “TRUTH” for a change or we can wait for the video and see what we’ve suspected all along.
-XRDC
Meanwhile, the most famous American film critics in the world, Roger Ebert and Richard Roeper gave, on their TV show this past Sunday, fawning glowing reviews and unctuous thumbs up the anus for the new film Road to Guantanamo that sheds Klieg-light, once again, on American "abuses", thereby only increasing the darkness of ignorance about our problem of Islam.
Even a look at some MSM headlines can help illustrate the asymmetry point and the deep moral chasm which divides us. I don’t need to elaborate; you can all reach a conclusion:
Yes, where is the New York Times...oh, that's right, you don't win Pulitzer Prizes by reporting on atrocities done to Americans, but from exposing how we are tracking terrorists through their money trail trying to keep free people safe. That and showing poor 'tortured' men with panties on their heads.....at least they HAVE their heads.
We are at war with an enemy that our government cannot/will not name and the media will not show us how brutal this enemy is (remember the photos of the US contractors whose burned bodies that were hung from a bridge were hardly published?) and yet, the outrage comes when lies are told and believed without verifying facts (korans being flushed), and cartoons are drawn. How many headlines and front page stories will papers dedicate to Pfc. Menchaca and Pfc. Tucker, or will they continue to undermine the US/Bush admin at every chance they get???
At least Bush weighed in on the NYT tracking terror funds story,"Congress was briefed," Mr. Bush said. "And what we did was fully authorized under the law. And the disclosure of this program is disgraceful. We're at war with a bunch of people who want to hurt the United States of America, and for people to leak that program, and for a newspaper to publish it, does great harm to the United States of America."
From Michelle Malkin's site catching NYT in a flip-flop, notice the date:
Reader Douglas Rose has drawn our attention to this September 24, 2001 New York Times editorial ("Finances of Terror") (access limited to TimesSelect):
"Organizing the hijacking of the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon took significant sums of money. The cost of these plots suggests that putting Osama bin Laden and other international terrorists out of business will require more than diplomatic coalitions and military action. Washington and its allies must also disable the financial networks used by terrorists.
The Bush administration is preparing new laws to help track terrorists through their money-laundering activity and is readying an executive order freezing the assets of known terrorists. Much more is needed, including stricter regulations, the recruitment of specialized investigators and greater cooperation with foreign banking authorities. There must also must be closer coordination among America's law enforcement, national security and financial regulatory agencies..."
Now they take it upon themselves to disclose the program after many people from both sides of politics asked them not to publish the story, putting the FIELD AGENTS in mortal danger,not to mention disrupting our ability to thwart future terror attacks, but that doesn't register on their radar screen....no, the injustice they see involves leaks about a CIA operative who is not even covert nor involved in top secret work.
A couple of GI's mutilated and tortured??? Well that's not news, after all don't we deserve it because of our capitalist, imperialist ways.? Good God, NYT, WE are the GOOD GUYS! If you want conspiracy theories, check out those trying to institute a world-wide caliphate.
Here's a good link to a contest on Michelle Malkin's website about the seditious NYT:
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005434.htm
These islamic animals torture and mutilate these soldiers while still alive and then murder them by beheading?
Why are we not using blow torches, hooks and razors at Guantanimo as a show of moral equivalence to the muslim world? Oh, silly me - we kafir westerners hold the moral high ground. Our enemy combatants are given qur'ans while they deprive our soldiers of their lives.
Pitch the qur'ans and make more dog cages.
The fact the soldiers recovered the remains without falling victim to the booby traps is a testament to their training and leadership, good job guys, never leave a fallen comrade. It always amazes me how little muslims understand Americans, this will make us fight even harder, no one will risk being captured. I just wish we would throw away the kids gloves and give them what they want, a fight.
But Ronin, if we threw the gloves off that would mean stooping to their level and utterly evicerating them.
That wouldn't be a fight, it'd be a bug hunt.
That wouldn't be a fight, it'd be a bug hunt.
Posted by: Quantum Infidel
First question:
what is the down side?
Second, what is the cost of doing nothing?
Third, who would miss them?
They are cowards, once they see islam getting stomped worldwide we will suddenly face millions of “ex muslims” all claiming to be Jewish, Catholics, Babtists, Hindus, etc, but you will not be able to find a muslim. We don’t have to commit genocide, just fight fire with fire and give them three choices: covert to another non muslim religion, pay us infidels for generations of trouble or death. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this plan, except paying to bury them all.
I've got pretty good sources which gave details of the torture/murder of the soldiers:
-genitals were ripped from the bodies and stuffed in the mouth.
-hearts were cut out.
-eyes were gouged out.
-bodies and limbs were sliced in so many places it made the visual ID impossible.
-throats were slit and bled out.
The enemy we face are a bunch of animals. I'm quite sure they were screaming "Allahu Akbar" and believed they were doing divine work (The Koran/Mohammed is very clear about cutting throats heads off and such niceties).
What will it take to wake up the non-Muslim world? After Beslan, in which children were targeted by the hundreds for murder and then this. When will non-Muslims wake up to the fact that every non-Muslim in the world faces the fate of these soldiers. No non-Muslim on Earth is a spectator in this. If nothing is done, this kind of ruthless evil will come to our wives and children.
At this point, we have nothing to lose. What can they do? Kill us? So friggin what. We will live as slaves are worse if the Jihad starts working. Where is our manhood and Courage??
salad-slime
I thought you were perhaps a naive fool.
You are simply psychopathic scum.
May you meet Mohammed soon.
The last one for this thread... you never need to go too far to find yet another rope binding our hands:
Can anyone tell what exactly we can do?
Believe it or not Van Der lay and others, these Islamists aren't stupid.. They know how to use technology, they study finance, and shortly after 9-11, they pulled there funds out of conventional western banking and financial services, and opt for transmission of funds by the services that are customary in Islamic countries and especially Pakistan.
The only purpose served by monitoring financial services is to track us non Muslims and our doings, becauset the Muslims aren't using western services ... hint ever hear of Islamic Banking, and that is a formal route.
Here we go, from the US Navy Following the Terrorist Informal Money Trail: The Hawala Financial Mechanism and that was in 2002
Nariz -- I dont' dispute what you say, as you are most probably right. The object of the criticism wasn't really the validity of scrutinizing bank records, but the ease by which a way is always found to legally or socially challange our actions. That's the nature of the beast; thanks for the link, by the way!
Ooops... bad choice of words; instead of "validity of scrutinizing bank records", I meant "usefulness of scrutinizing bank records". Big difference there...
"Not to upset anyone further, but I have recieved more word about the torture these poor men went through........"
Posted by Patriot 1/17
Patriot, these men went through agony for a day or two at the hands of the sadistic demons who enjoyed the pain that they inflicted on them. The least we can do is know about it. Upset us.
Patriot,
Not only were their testicles cut off, they were gutted and prepared for roasting as one would an animal. I too would like the American people to know exactly what happens when these animals capture anyone.
If I could hear a tactical briefing, I would hope to hear:
Captain: We'll be moving on the objective at 0-600. Any questions?
Lieutenant: What do we do with prisioners? Who do we turn them over to?
Captain: There won't be any prisioners.
Lieutanant: What do you mean, sir?
Captain: You didn't hear me. There won't be any prisioners.
Lieutenant: None, sir?
Captain: None, Lieutenant.
texan-
As Churchill said -for circumstances like this:
"A prisoner of war is a man who tries to kill you and fails who then asks you not to kill him."
No uniforms, no quarter.
Qur'an 5.33 "The recompense for those who fight against Allah and His Messenger and are mischief-makers in the land is only that they be killed or crucified or their hands annd feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in Hell."
Tabari VII:133/Ishaq:387 "When Muhammed saw Hamzah, he said,' If Allah gives me a victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men.' When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said,' By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody."
Ever wonder where the mutilators get their ideas? They are taught it from birth.
I have to admit I have started to like this message board. It makes me laugh when we see one of our own western fall pray to a Muslim. After all the comedian George W Bush did say “We are at war”. So all is fair in Love and War.
The bit I really enjoyed reading was this:
-genitals were ripped from the bodies and stuffed in the mouth.
-hearts were cut out.
-eyes were gouged out.
-bodies and limbs were sliced in so many places it made the visual ID impossible.
-throats were slit and bled out.
(hello123 at June 27, 2006 09:51 PM)
And following on from that another bit I enjoyed was this:
If I could hear a tactical briefing, I would hope to hear:
Captain: We'll be moving on the objective at 0-600. Any questions?
Lieutenant: What do we do with prisoners? Who do we turn them over to?
Captain: There won't be any prisoners.
Lieutenant: What do you mean, sir?
Captain: You didn't hear me. There won't be any prisoners.
Lieutenant: None, sir?
Captain: None, Lieutenant.
(Posted by: texan at June 28, 2006 09:05 PM) Oh by the way Texan check you spelling for Prisoners and no Prisioners – dick weed.
But I would like to add to this script, maybe it could become a good movie. The following is what I would like to add:
Lieutenant: Sir, Sir we need help, its them…ccccuuuuu rrrrrsssssshhhhh beeeep beeeeep
Captain: Come in Lieutenant, what happened, you there, hello hello
Silence falls at the headquarters, the Captain clutching his radio, sweating while changing colour. The rest of the headquarters patiently wait for a reply at the other end of the Captains radio. Then suddenly a reply..
Lieutenant: Aaahhh Captain, come in Captain
Captain: Yes Lieutenant, are you alright. What happening..
Lieutenant: We aaaahhhhh have been captured and sodomized by big solid objects, help us. Please..Please..beep beep cccccrrrrrruuusssshhhh
Following on from this the next day, when the confidence of the American Military is restored the Captain sends reinforcements to recover the fallen sodomized heroes or at least parts of them.
With 50 Apache helicopters, 10,000 ground troops, 400 armored vehicles and 300 tanks supported by 6 sea submarines loaded with precision guided missiles, the American enter a small street in a corner of Baghdad with troops falling from the sky, popping up from under the earth, left, right, back and front to find nothing more than just a nose and a hand with some torn American army uniform.
A day later when the news hits Internationally comedian George W Bush gives a emotional speech where he mentioned “Yesterday, we launched a full scale military rescue mission, we beat the few Iraqi folks who want to burn the Americans”, the crowd applauses Bush in which he continues “I think the rescue mission was successful in which we retrieved our fallen troops, or at least a waving hand and a intact nose, I mean I heard from the reports that the hand was still waving at the troops as if it was saying to them, don’t worry about me I think I’m covered by my insurance”.
How is that to end the story.
Please carry on, I enjoying the one sided debate.
The last message is so funny...
"(Posted by: texan at June 28, 2006 09:05 PM) Oh[comma] by the way Texan[comma] check you[sic] spelling for Prisoners and no[sic] Prisioners – dick weed."
Oh by the way Khalid Bin Waleed, check your spelling for your, not you, and not, not no - dick weed.
Four mistakes in one sentence, you hypocritical shithead.
And that would be, "Oh, by the way Khalid Bin Waleed,..."
See? I can catch my own mistakes, you schizo pinhead. However, I suppose mohammedan English follows its own rules, kinda like how mohammedans don't like to follow the rules the rest of the human race observes.