Muslims Challenge Canada Detention Policy

Ah yas, the old "I'll be tortured in my homeland if I'm deported" routine.

Another designed play in the Jihad playbook.

When will the politically correct dummies ever wake up? Probably after it's too late. Muslims are expert liars. They'll look you right in the eye and smile at you while they lie to you.

I hate to be off topic on this thread, but I'm trying to decide what to do with my life. I'm thinking of going to get a Ph.D. in a topic that would be most helpful in winning the war against Jihad. I wonder if anyone has any ideas about what area and what schools would be good.

Thanks!

Pediomelum,
How about "Origin and spread of islam and its effects on neighbouring cultures (From Byzantine to India).

"I hate to be off topic on this thread, but I'm trying to decide what to do with my life. I'm thinking of going to get a Ph.D. in a topic that would be most helpful in winning the war against Jihad. I wonder if anyone has any ideas about what area and what schools would be good.

pedio-

Learn fluent Arabic and travel all over the U.S. listening in at mosques and Islamic Centers etc.

I recommend 'The origin and spread of pork...how bacon grease will save the west.'

Folks, here's something more from David Harris. I think he sums up the problem in Canada quite well, in this interview with Maclean's Magazine.
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David Harris is one of Canada's leading experts on terrorism. A former chief of strategic planning for CSIS, he is now director of the international and terrorist intelligence program at Insignis Strategic Research in Ottawa. One of Harris's most important qualifications as a Canadian terrorism expert is his almost unique willingness to speak publicly and fearlessly about Islamic extremism. In 2004, Harris was sued by CAIR-CAN, the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations, for raising questions about the connections between CAIR-CAN and Islamic extremist ideology. In April, CAIR-CAN dropped its suit against Harris with no damages, costs, apologies, clarifications, "or cab fare."

You have said that Canadians are in denial about terrorism. After the events of last week, do you still believe that's true?

By and large, yes. I think we've seen a transient awareness, but underlaid by a gigantic inertia. We've had warnings and indications for a great many years that extremists -- particularly Islamic extremists -- have infiltrated and targeted us, yet we persist in pretending that this is not a particularly pressing threat.

I suppose what you are describing was best characterized by Jack Layton's gobsmacked reaction. He expressed complete shock that such events could happen in Canada!

It's embarrassing to -- how do I put this, just in relation to the Layton thing -- how unusual for a public official to advertise his ineptness.

I know what you mean. It's like the mayor of Toronto saying he just can't figure out what these terrorists are so upset about.

That's right. I mean, the thing that's beginning to be frightening is the naïveté of individuals. Or maybe it's just a pretense.

On the other hand, can we take comfort in the idea that CSIS knows what it's doing?

Obviously, this operation was a very good sign, as well as an ominous augury. It seems to establish the competence and ability of police and intelligence services to work together to bring resolution to a potential threat. However, it underscores the very existence, in our community, of potential threat.

In your opinion, how radicalized is the Canadian Muslim population? What kind of numbers are we up against?

Well, of course, it's impossible to assess -- there is no poll measuring the support for Wahhabism amongst our communities. But one can look at some of the statements by genuinely moderate clerics concerning the situation in North America. Imam Palazzi has claimed that 80 per cent of mosques in Canada are under the influence of radicals, though he does not by any means appear to suggest that 80 per cent of Canadian Muslims are themselves radical.

Who is Imam Palazzi?

He's an Italian imam and he comes to Canada every now and then. He provided this assessment about two years ago and it's absolutely in line with the appraisal of Imam Sheik Khabani, who's president of the Supreme Islamic Council of America.

So do you trust Palazzi's assessment? Why would he have a sense of things in Canada?

Well, he seems to take quite an interest in the country and has played a leading role in trying to bring about substantive reconciliation rather than the cosmetic variety the Wahhabist-oriented national Islamic organizations propagate. But it's a genuine question. And I guess a larger, related question is on what are they basing that assessment. My answer, unfortunately, is I really don't know. So I can't certify the validity of those stats.

But the underlying premise is that our country is full of radicalized imams -- leading a non-radicalized population?

But that won't last long.

Because the imams are so influential?

That's right. Especially if you're dealing with a culture, a community of religion that's inclined to idealize "men of God" -- clerics -- and hand their children over to such folk for extended periods, you can predict what the outcome could be. And this is why it is of great concern that radical Wahhabist Saudi money is being injected into certain Canadian mosques and Islamic facilities. There seems to be quite a correlation between that sort of influx of cash and radicalism.

And there's nothing illegal about that money coming in, correct?

Correct.

Should there be?

I believe so. I believe funds from Saudi and Saudi-related sources should be banned from that kind of thing.

What other measures might Canada adopt to protect itself from radical Islam?

One of the things is to deal with our nearly-out-of-control immigration and refugee situation. To the extent we're bringing in some people from some regions where liberal, pluralist, democratic, live-and-let-live, Charter-type values are considered anathema, are considered devilish -- we need to be sure that we have the capacity to absorb people properly. It's important to emphasize that absorption includes the absorption of our broader values of tolerance, civility and so on.

Like the Dutch are now doing?

That's right. I know reasonable people differ on these sorts of issues. But one thing that's of great concern is the sheer number of people coming in: 230,000 people a year in the immigration stream, and refugees above and beyond that. That number has gone from 500 in 1977 to about 29,000 this year. That sets up a situation where some populations might be tempted to form self-isolating ghettos, particularly if there should be a significant supremacist inclination to the group. We've seen this sort of thing, say 20 years ago, when "home-grown" meant ethno-European white racist neo-Nazis, and we recognized that and called it for what it was, and through education, and pretty swift and decisive police action, we were able, I think, to largely bring to heel that kind of ugliness.

But in the case of radical Islam, we are not prepared to call it for what it is.

That's a key point. In terms of facing the enemy, we must first face the facts. And our ability to face those facts is completely blocked by official efforts to obfuscate the nature of the adversary. I was disbelieving when I listened to some of the briefings by police and security officials who refused to pronounce the "I" and "M" words -- Islam or Muslim -- or their derivatives.

They're very proud about that. They think it proves what nice people they are.

Yes, and I'd say this is completely unacceptable, particularly for those of us who have freely and without intimidation in the past identified Christian terrorists, Jewish terrorists, and Sikh terrorists in precisely those terms when it was clinically appropriate. This idea of not defining the enemy concerns me. In order to position ourselves to deal with an enemy we must understand the enemy's doctrine and mindset. And we can't do that if we don't recognize the realities. But a secondary aspect is that it also -- how would I put this? -- it also subverts the basic egalitarianism of our society, because it offers special treatment to one ethno-cultural or religious group over all others, and that would be very satisfying to some of the fifth- and maybe sixth-column organizations that seem bent on Islamicizing Canada.

Can you help us understand how much underground terrorist activity might be occurring in our country? How many of these kinds of cells are there?

We can't say for sure and that's one of the troubling features. If you've got relatively spontaneously generated organizations of a small, fairly independent nature, that makes the challenge immensely greater. In the case of Toronto, so you've got one batch of alleged terrorists, but really does that say an awful lot about who else in that city may have very similar ideas or be even more advanced in preparation?

It's so unnerving because we know that they are determined to commit the mass murder of Canadians . . .

And we're not showing comparable determination. Political correctness in counter-terrorism could kill us. To listen to security officials at press conferences practically presenting a burlesque on the theme of political correctness is devastatingly unnerving. What we were hearing was surreal. It's also unprepossessing to see police officers and other public officials indulging in theological moonlighting. I do not want to hear from my local cop a detailed analysis of the relevance of Islam to violence.

Is part of the problem that the police don't want to speak in a way that will inspire "backlash"?

One of the terrible developments has been the extent to which radical self-styled Islamic representative organizations in Canada have exaggerated and even fabricated scare stories about imagined anti-Muslim behaviour or threats. This has caused immense damage within the Muslim community, and alienation. In doing so, I believe it has enhanced the prospects for recruitment of otherwise moderate Muslims by extremists.

You are saying that some cases of "backlash" have been exaggerated with the purpose of fuelling the fire?

In general there's been near-hysteria on the part of certain national Canadian, Arab and Islamic organizations claiming all kinds of abuse rather than trying to bring Muslims more constructively into the fold. It's not clear whether it's by design or accident that this kind of behaviour has been sustained.

Let me return to the question of what we as a society can do to better protect ourselves against Islamic fanatics. Is it your opinion that CSIS and the RCMP have enough resources for this kind of "homeland protection"?

It's hard to imagine they could, because the challenges are piling up, and they're cumulative. Immigration is just such a huge factor -- it's hard to imagine how, on the basis of relatively stable investments in national security, our security side is going to be able to keep up. When you look at some of the numbers: 2,700 people at CSIS vs. 230,000 people a year coming in. In short, on that score, we're simply not behaving as though we're a country that's been faced with an imposed war.

What do you say to people who say: "Well, this is all because of our increased role in Afghanistan. If we had taken a different path these guys wouldn't be so upset"?

Yeah, it's funny. I guess I'm inclined to draw a parallel. It's a hint exaggerated -- I don't want to be insensitive -- but to me it's a little like going up to a black in the southern U.S., say in the '20s, fresh from lynchings in the area, and a fairly sound beating, and there's a white guy next to him who looks hostile, and you as a good Canadian wanting to resolve issues -- you go up to the black guy and say: "Consider the root causes of this. There must have been some way that you contributed to this? And therefore, together, perhaps, we can dig ourselves out of this challenge."

So what you are really saying is that in order to protect ourselves, we have to be honest about the true nature of our problem?

That's right, without honesty we're lost. And the enemy knows that too, and that's why some of their sophisticated elements are playing us for all we're worth.
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The link for the above interview with David Harris is
http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/canada/article.jsp?content=20060619_128873_128873

In case there are problems, we have a link to this at http://www.islam-watch.org/

Last week, military brass -- along with representatives from the terror-tied Council on American-Islamic Relations -- dedicated the first Muslim prayer center for the Marines as a symbol of the military's "religious tolerance" and "respect" for the faith the enemy uses to attack us. Already, plans are in the works to build by 2009 a bigger mosque at the Marine base in Quantico so Muslim service members can have a "proper place" to worship, and one that "honors their religious heritage," officials say, not realizing that the mosque can also be used by the enemy to build a Fifth Column inside the Marines.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22845 ..The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) is at it again, with a deceptive email campaign smearing US Marines over a music video posted at YouTube. From Pipeline News: Hadji Girl - CAIR Conducts Email Jihad Against Marines.

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

WASHINGTON: A new documentary aimed at denigrating Islam and attempting to show that it is not a religion of peace but war and conflict is due to be released in three US cities on July 7.

The documentary called ‘Islam: what the West needs to know’ has been produced by a company with the improbable name of Quixotic Media and will be initially released in Washington, Atlanta and Chicago.

The 98-minutes film’s main idea, according to the producers, is that it is not correct that those who commit violence in the name of Islam misinterpret the religion’s teachings, because Islam is a “violent, expansionary ideology that seeks the destruction or subjugation of other faiths, cultures and systems of government”. The documentary consists of interviews, selected citations from Islamic texts and Islamic artwork, computer-animated maps, Islamic television broadcasts and footage featuring Western leaders. The producers claim that the film’s tone is “sober, methodical and compelling
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006/06/13/story_13-6-2006_pg7_14

Archimedes

Re: David Harris. - Very good questions - very good answers. It would be a great benefit for politicians and law enforcement in Canada and the US to study this very carefully and take heed.

I hate to be off topic, but since I haven't seen Gitmo brought up anywhere, did anyone see Bill O'Reilly's program last night on his interview with Gitmo guards? This is the closest I have seen to guards recognizing that the reason they are hated is that they are Infidels. I was somewhat disappointed that the guard being interviewed went on to qualify that not all the detainees were like that (sure, there were the "moderates", even among these enemy combatants), but this is as close to recognizing the enemy that one can expect from the MSM.

Michele Malkin came out later, and reminded us the fact that the prisoners throw feces at the guards (presumably with their left hands). She normally gets it, as her website obviously indicates, but since she is one of the few in the media who do, why doesn't she mention it? And what are her views on "Iraq the model" - does she recognize that it is a cause that never had any chance of success to begin with?

as is oft said, the only moderate musim is one that has not cut your head off yet

And what are her views on "Iraq the model" - does she recognize that it is a cause that never had any chance of success to begin with?

The #1 rule of warfare across centuries has ALWAYS been "divide and conquer." What makes you think that Iraq the model isn't working exactly as it is supposed to?

Take a look at the Palis. Ariel Sharon has recieved a storm of criticism over unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza. Few remember these days that the old Lion of Israel was one of the sharpest strategists to come down the pike in some while. He "handed over Gaza" - which was pretty hard to defend any way and a constant and continuous source of really bad PR and agit-prop. So, now the Palis are literally having a civil war, burning their own parliaments and concocting half-baked atrocity stories that a child can see through. You don't really think for a half-second that Ari expected anything other than just exactly this do you?

Tigers do not change their stripes. Apples do not fall far from the tree. Etc.

Pediomelum, Take advantage of the Arabic language courses offered at MANY colleges.

I think that interview was great. What is so surprising to me, and a good sign, is that it appeared in Maclean's magazine, which is Canada's version of Time. It is a major MSM publication read across the country. The fact that what Harris said was made into an article in that magazine, astounds me. With pleasure.

Maybe we should CREATE a word for them to use. Any ideas?

"In terms of facing the enemy, we must first face the facts. And our ability to face those facts is completely blocked by official efforts to obfuscate the nature of the adversary. I was disbelieving when I listened to some of the briefings by police and security officials who refused to pronounce the "I" and "M" words -- Islam or Muslim -- or their derivatives."

Maybe we should CREATE a word for them to use. Any ideas?

CAIR-Canada has lied to the media about these cases, plus when the Government wants to release the to return home it's CAIR that demands they stay for fear of torture if returned to their Country.

The Security Cert's only apply to non-Citizens , but pro-Jihad groups and CAIR filter their protests to make the Public perceive that the RCMP is just rounding up Muslim canadians at random and jailing them without a trial.
Ever since the Governemnt stopped the Airline scam by Muslims to destroy their ID's during the flight to canada and deplane to ask for refugee status, the new scam is to either visit and refuse to leave and claim refigee status, or quickly marry and get the wife pregnant to use the baby as their Right to stay here.

I have said for about a year now that Canadians have been victims of the bogus Islamophobe and Maher Arar and CAIR's Dr.Sheema Khan ( aka con-job Khan) lied to the inquiry and
Arar had not one symptom of mental trauma from his "Alleged" torture in a Syrian jail.
The B-17 Bombers in the Brampton jails are now doing what Arar did and "Alleging " torture, and somehow this cheap ruse will implode or collapse under its own weight of lies.
The fact that they demand Qurans and prayer rugs will negate any chance of Islamic Org's waiting for the Guilty Verdict to calim they are "True" Muslims like the 9/11 scam that CAIR attempted to absolve themselves of.

This is the way nations fall. A potential terrorists is able to stay in the host nation using the host's ntaions courts.

When are the western civilizations going to come to their senses and send this filth back to their home country before more innocents die.???

The Canadian lawyer in this case is a muslim named David Kolinsky:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21026_The_Usual_Allegations&only

http://imprint.uwaterloo.ca/story.php?f=2&t=8307&i=&v=f&story=8307

poetcomic1 asks: "I'm thinking of going to get a Ph.D. in a topic that would be most helpful in winning the war against Jihad. I wonder if anyone has any ideas about what area and what schools would be good."

You didn't say if you already have a bachelor's or master's degree in some major.

I would suggest the Claremont Colleges. For your Ph.D, the Claremont Graduate University. They are conservative institutions that have NOT been infected by left-wing nonsense.

http://www.claremont.edu/

The large Ivy League liberal arts universities are hopeless--they all worship Edward Said and despise Israel now--so don't go there.

You might want to contact some faculty members of the Claremont Institute (not directly affiliated with the Claremont Colleges) for other tips. Angelo Codevilla works there and (last I checked) teaches at Boston College. Victor Davis Hanson works there too.

http://www.claremont.org/writings/authors.html

They may steer you toward some other, probably smaller, colleges.

(This is one reason I don't go along with the Bernard Lewis bashing on Jihad Watch. He's 90 years old. Once he's gone, the departments of Middle Eastern studies of all major liberal-arts universities are going to be acolytes of Edward Said and his anti-Orientalism.)

"The documentary called ‘Islam: what the West needs to know’ has been produced by a company with the improbable name of Quixotic Media and will be initially released in Washington, Atlanta and Chicago."

According to the website:

http://www.whatthewestneedstoknow.com/

the movie is rated: No nudity, no obscenity, no explicit violence.

Of course there is no nudity in it! All the women are wearing burqas!

Sheik:

I see no reference to Kolinsky's religion one way or another. It's just as likely that he is yet another lawyer who does a lot of legal aid work and takes his client's claims as prima facie evidence. (I'm assuming the Canadian taxpayer is picking up the tab on most if not all of the defence costs.)

OH MY GOODNESS - is there something wrong with me ? - I AM nearer to 70 yrs of age than 60 (was going to say 20 !!)

BUT !!

My response to:
poetcomic1 asks: "I'm thinking of going to get a Ph.D. in a topic that would be most helpful in winning the war against Jihad. I wonder if anyone has any ideas about what area and what schools would be good."

would be to ask if Canada has any good MILITARY Colleges that offer post graduate research facilities.

(war monger ?) Aussie DOG !!