Another story about the desperate trouble in which apostates from Islam all too often find themselves. Islamic Tolerance Alert from Compass Direct:
June 23 (Compass Direct) – Attacked by her own family, one Muslim’s decision to convert to Christianity highlights the precarious situation of Muslims in Pakistan who leave their faith.Sehar Muhammad Shafi, 24, has fled her home city of Karachi with her husband and two young daughters after being attacked and raped for changing her faith.
With help from the Center for Legal Aid Assistance and Settlement, the Christian couple has relocated to another city. But as long as Shafi and her family remain in Pakistan, they must hide the truth of Shafi’s conversion.
Shafi was born the fourth child of a Muslim proselytizer in Pakistan’s largest city, Karachi. Her family belonged to Ahle Sunnat wa-al Jimmat, a non-violent Muslim group that focused on converting non-Muslims. Members were instructed not to share food and eating utensils with “pagans” considered unclean.
Shafi’s father taught fellow members of his religious community how to proselytize. As a teenager, Shafi often attended her father’s training sessions on how to convert non-Muslims.
“It wasn’t normal for a girl to participate in those sessions,” the young woman told Compass. “But I was the daughter of an ‘evangelist’ and was eager to bring others to my faith.”
In 1999, Shafi began work for a medical company, Glaxo Wellcome plc, where she focused her energy on proselytizing a co-worker, a Christian named Naveed Paul. Paul had an interest in apologetics and engaged Shafi in religious discussions, inviting her to church with him.
Four years later, Shafi decided to become a Christian, and a local pastor secretly baptized her. “I had shared Islam with [Paul] and wanted to convert him, but instead I realized that my life was empty without Jesus,” Shafi said.
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Shafi’s family was not aware of her conversion, but sometimes they would beat her when they found her singing Psalms to herself. Once they ripped up a Bible they discovered her reading.
Read it all.
"Her family belonged to Ahle Sunnat wa-al Jimmat, a non-violent Muslim group that focused on converting non-Muslims."
-- from the article above
Not engaged in terrorism. Not engaged in violence. But if those who belong to a group such as Ahle Sunnat wa-al Jimmat, carefully plotting their full-time work to convert Christians and Hindus in Pakistan to Islam, what are they doing? They are expanding the power of a politico-religious belief-system known as Islam. They are conducting Jihad.
But it is not Streusand and Tunnell's "hirabah" and by their definiition we should not worry at all about such activities.
Vary the story slightly. Suppose that the group Ahle Sunnat wa-al Jimmat were conducting a campaign of Da'wa not in Pakistan (where so many are already Muslims) but in South Africa? Or in London? Or in Newark, New Jersey or Portland, Oregon, or Houston, Texas or Boston, Massachusetts? Suppose Ahle Sunnat wa-al was well-funded by the Saudis, with hundreds of millions of dollars. Suppose it was building mosques all over the United States, and madrasas. Suppose it had agents now deep within every American prison, and last year Congress revealed that 48% of American prisoners had been approached by members of Ahle Sunnat wa-al Jimmat and that fully half of them, in just that year, had converted to Islam.
Any worries? Any worries that the word "hirabah" which is all about "sinful warfare" as a word won't quite cover this situation, and this is precisely a sitatuion, a means of warfare, an instrument of Jihad, that ultimately, if successful in the Western world, would mean the transformation of that Western world, and an end to the legal and politicial institutions, including the rights of individuals, the equality of sexes and the equal protection of the laws afforded minorities, achieved over time by those Infidels?
That is one example of why the word "Jihad" must be used, and used accurately, and the word "hirabah" be seen as part of a sly campaign on behalf of Islam, suggested by Musliims themselves "offering to help" the American government or its officials by "suggesting" the right terms.
The word "hirabah" is not the right term. One ought to figure out how that term came into existence (this is discussed at the thread under the original article), why it is employed by the Al-Saud and Mubarak and other Arab despots to describe their domestic opponents of the Al-Qaeda and Muslim-Brotherhood variety, but in those cases the only kind of opposition is violence, not Da'wa or demographic conquest or even the "money weapon."
But in the world-wide campaign against Infidels, Infidels within the camp of Islam (in this article, members of Ahle Sunnat wa-al Jimmat were converting non-Muslims within Pakistan) and still in Dar al-Harb are subject, in addition to violence (much more often used against Infidels in Muslim lands), to other more effective instruments of Jihad -- the money weapon, Da'wa, and demographic conquest, that are not covered by, are not even implied by, that word "hirabah."
Indeed an inspiring story.
And here likely lies the way forward.
Oft times I wondered whether we'd have to shed our humanity and goodness to fight the izlamopidemic. The problem was that izlam is the problem and muzlims are too blinded to consider leaving it. Or so it seemed. Now, it seems that preaching the word of Jesus is a more effective tool than just guns and nukes. Recall JPII's trip to Poland and history's response to Stalin's rhetorical question "How many divisions does the pope have?". More than we imagined, maybe...
Islam is so inspirational. It inspires murder, torture and rape against anyone Muslims disagree with. What a "religion", indeed.
I am not suprised with what happened. This is happening more to Christians who live in areas that the Muslims control, that is, getting attack for being Christian.
Well it's not just Pakistan. In the UK, it's not a good idea for Muslim apostates to be open...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470584,00.html
"The victim of a three-year campaign of religious hatred, Mr Hussein’s car has also been rammed and torched, and the steps to his home have been strewn with rubbish."
"He and his family have been regularly jostled, abused, attacked, shouted at to move out of the area, and given death threats in the street. His wife has been held hostage inside their home for two hours by a mob. His car, walls and windows have been daubed in graffiti: “Christian bastard”.".......
What Islam is all about, sex, from six years (Ayesha) and older.
Again, this proves there is no love in islam. They have bred hate into themselves for generations after generations and there is no allowance for love of anyone.
"Again, this proves there is no love in islam. They have bred hate into themselves for generations after generations and there is no allowance for love of anyone.
Posted by: freewoman "
Yep. One four-letter word that doesn't apply to islam is "love".
They wouldn't know what it was if they fell over it.
Does anyone else think they may be slowly disintegrating?
Every day there is news all over the world showing their true colours.
I know people are suffering, but in the long run it is a good thing. They could well destroy themselves with all these awful things they are doing.
They, perhaps, are getting the message out more successfully than we are.
Actions speak volumes: this poor woman, and the two soldiers.
This cult is not worth dying for: bring the boys home.
I'll just go ahead and anticipate what a multiculturalist would say about this.
1) Isolated incident!
2) Anyone could have done it. It had nothing to do with religion.
3) There are only different cultures, not bad or good ones. We must respect the customs of other cultures.
4) Islamophobia.
Oh damn, I forgot the most important one:
5) Well Christians do that all the time too.
When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of (the Jewess) Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed [by Mo], so Allah’s Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.
--- Bukhari V4:B52:N143
ISLAM AINT BAD, IT BE RAD; MOSLEMS AREN’T CREEPY, YOU'RE JUST BEING WEEPY
If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.
--- God’s commandment in Koran 4:15
Given that her liaison with Paul was itself a terrible sin, in addition to her apostasy, by God, these deeply offended virile Paki men let Ms. Shafi off easy.
Celsius,
This does not surprise me. As more Muslims leave Islam, this is going to happen more. The Muslims are more fearful of Christianity and Christians more then ever before.
I have a few relatives that have apostacized from my religion and I am still cordial with them. I've had a few friends apostacize and I never felt like killing, raping, or harassing them.
What's wrong with me? Oh, I know. I belong to one of the non-misogynistic, non-misandric, non-misanthropic religions. Or is it being miso-Islamic to say so?
I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).
--- Bukhari V1:B4:N229, narrated by Aisha, Mo’s 9-yr old lover
See? These deeply offended virile Paki men were only complying with 33:29. That is God's will, the Sunnah.
I mean, when your clothes are getting splattered with the stuff you are a rock star. Yes, you can argue that Mo was a rock worshipper, and that's fine, but rock star.
Child molester prophet, child molesting followers, rotten to the core the lot of them.
Mohammad:
"Strike at their necks!"
Jesus:
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
I know who I'd choose.
Rape is used as punishment/power trip/ reward to justify the criminal behavior of muslim males. ( they aren't real men) And their war manual sanctions this. And the majority of women in islam condone this. If they didn't condone it, they would put a stop to it.
I wonder what muslim women think when they find out their husbands raped another woman? For any old reason.
Rape is wrong. There is no justification AT ALL for this behavior. Muslim men...get this through your thick skulls. You people are sickos.
My father joined a Methodist church after being raised a Baptist. Oh, the shame.
freewoman
I've been wondering whether they have the equivalent of "amor" and "caritas" (love) in Arabic. Don't seem to remember anything like that in translations of the Quran and Sunnah, but I may be wrong.
Can anyone who knows Arabic here tell us?
I read somewhere that Arabic didn't have a word for "freedom" until very late, like the 17th century, when they had to coin a word for it describing some kind of contract/treaty.
Ovidus, I would kill for my childrens lives. I can't understand a muslim woman standing by and letting her husband or son or uncle or the ice cream man kill or rape her daughter. I can't imagine the rage I'd own if a man took a weapon to my daughter. If I couldn't get to him first, he 'd get me. But I could never standby and just watch.
So I conclude there is no love in islam.
freewoman-
Can you imagine the Shia women who make big bloody gashes on the faces of their infant sons for their big annual 'grievance festival'?
No poetcomic1, I cannot imagine the barbaric customs of idiots. Wouldn't "festival" the way they celebrate, be an oxymoron?
Animal mothers (cats, dogs, cows, horses, lions, tigers, bears etc.) ALL of them protect their young. And they are supposed to be lower species? So where in the lower species catagory do we put muslim mothers?
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Naseem, be sure to tell your prospective daughter-in-law the fate that awaits her if she should ever attempt to leave Islam and revert back to her roots........
I'm sure Naseem is doing some heavy sugar coating on her future babymaker. I'm wondering how old she is, because if she were old enough to read, she would run from a muslim. Surely she has been reading current events.
It would be intersting to find out from her what tricks and how do Ahle Sunnat wa-al Jimmat proselytize so we can come up with a effective countermeasures to defeat them.
Folks,
I have put together an article on rape in Islam here. Unfortunately, I don't have a more concise version yet, but this is a useful online resource
http://www.islam-watch.org/Archemedez/RebutMuslimRape.htm
I've also started a file on rape in Islam. If anyone has links on articles or reports about rape in Islam, they can be posted in this thread (membership sign-up takes only a minute)
http://islamwatch.forumup.in/about322-islamwatch.html
Some strong and concise articles by journalist Sharon Lapkin here
http://www.frontpagemag.com /Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID =20646 Western Muslims' Racist Rape Spree, Sharon Lapkin, FrontPageMagazine.com December 27, 2005.
"Christian Solidarity Worldwide reported that in April 2005, a 9-year-old Pakistani girl was raped, beaten with a cricket bat, hanged upside down from the ceiling, had spoonfuls of chillies poured into her mouth, and repeatedly bashed while handcuffed. Her Muslim neighbours told her they were taking revenge for the American bombing of Iraqi children and informed her they were doing it because she was an "infidel and a Christian."
http://www.frontpagemag.com /articles/readarticle.asp?ID =20535&p=1 Muslim Gang Rapes and the Aussie Riots, Sharon Lapkin, FrontPageMagazine.com December 15, 2005.
americaningermany wondered: "All she got was rape?
I am not in any way condoning that, BUT
how many lose their lives for leaving islam?"
The details of Shafi's plight show how this made horrible sense: first of all, she and her husband and her infant daughter (Angela Rose) would have been lynched to death (probably in horrible ways involving dismemberment and frenzied stabbings, as is common among these Satanic hyenas otherwise known as Muslims):
"One Sunday evening a month later, a large mob attacked the convert’s home. Shafi said that she and her family barely escaped with their lives out the back door of their apartment. The young woman said she believes that her family had discovered her location and organized the attack."
Secondly, at the time of her rape, she and her family were in hiding in a different part of town, and a Muslim man, Rana, who had been alerted to her apostasy took advantage of the green light which Islam offers him: now this depraved man finds himself in a situation where God Himself and the greatest man of God in history, Mohammed, both tell him it would be a good thing to punish this woman in any way, including rape and torture and murder. Perhaps Rana was not feeling too ambitious that day, and just wanted to satisfy his sexual urges, and not go to the trouble of finishing her off. And here was a woman's body delivered to him straight by God Himself. His lucky day.
Here are those Sharon Lapkin article links again.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20646
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20535
If there's a problem with those links, try the links at references 24 and 25 in this Islam-watch article:
http://www.islam-watch.org/Archemedez/RebutMuslimRape.htm
TV,
Indeed, they are lucky to have escaped with their lives. The article in question does quote the Pakistani Muslim leader's view, based on the ulema consensus, following consideration of the Abdul Rahman case in Afghanistan, confirming that the penalty for apostasy is death. It should be added, of course, that even if there was 100% acceptance of apostasy from Islam, there is still (in Islam) no penalty whatsoever for killing an apostate.
As to whether rape is an acceptable punishment, I believe you are correct---certainly this is the case in Pakistan, where it is not only correct but is legally prescribed as a punishment. (And by "legally" I mean Islamically legal, the only law that matters in the 97% Muslim country). Certainly, the Koran and Hadith provide no penalties for rape per se (there are penalties pertaining to adultery and fornication, and the person who is forced to have sex is absolved of guilt---if she can prove she was forced). If she cannot prove that she was forced, but it is known that she had sex (e.g., it is later discovered that she is pregnant), she is open to being punished herself (possibly executed for adultery, after the child is born and has been weened).
As to whether rape is an acceptable weapon of war in Islam, everything I've seen from the Koran and Hadith indicates that this is the case. Muslims are instructed to use every strategem of war. There are no limits on what tactics or strategies may be used, because the ultimate goal of Islam overrides lesser concerns. What does Islamic "terror" mean? To the non-Muslim men, for themselves, it primarily means fear of being killed; and to the non-Muslim women and girls (there is no lower age limit), for themselves, it means fear of being raped. The most recent large-scale systematic Islamic uses of rape that come to mind are Bangladesh and Sudan. As for Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc., rape is a standard practice used even in the "justice" systems.
Asking how rape can be permissible as a weapon is like asking how use of the sword could be permissible as a weapon. Islam regulates the conditions under which swords can be used to sever non-Muslim heads, and Islam regulates the conditions under which non-Muslim women raped. All of it is permissible in the context of jihad, and all of it is permissible within the constraints of Islamic law.
Of course, as Fjordman as documented so well, we also see an on-going (and increasing) mass-scale systematic campaign of rape waged against non-Muslim European women, who are selectively targeted by so many Muslim male predators. These perpetrators are fully aware of why they are selectively raping non-Muslim women. They say so, without any shame whatoever. As long as any woman is not dressed according to Islamic dress codes, and is a non-Muslim, she's fair game to be raped. That's not my opinion, but is the opinion of no less than Qaradawi, the most knowledgeable, most powerful, most popular, most respected Islamic scholar in the world at present. Islamic legal texts (cited in my links at Islam-watch) indicate that Muslim males are permitted to do whatever they want viz. committing "whoredom" in a non-Muslim land (dar ul Harb) with non-Muslim females.
Osama’s former sex slave writes for TV
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bigcatgirl13106, they are afraid of Christians and they can hardly hide their hate. This is why I take the greatest pleasure in wearing a prominent Greek (or Armenian) cross whenever I go shopping to my local superstore, frequented by Muslims at weekends. Only recently a Muslim man in traditional clothes gave me such a look that if looks could kill, I would have dropped dead on the spot! Lucky me, I do not live in Pakistan.
Polish Infideless, I've received the same glaring hateful looks. I was wearing shorts instead of a cross, though.
Hey, Freewoman, we will not let them take our frredom away. Never! Over my dead body! I am just very worried about my daughters. I have already discribed the case in JW before, but let me revise it. I have recently found out that in my daughetr's secondary school (state-run, secular school!) the teachers confiscate crosses worn by the girsl, but voice no objections to Muslim girls turning up in hijabs! On top of it my daughter told me in an off-hand manner that there is a Muslim prayer room at her school! No chapel, no Hindu temple etc. When I commented, she exclaimed "Mum, you are such a racist!". Ho wbrainwashed they already are! She could see no problem with this unfair, preferential treatment of the Muslim students! I am slowly and gently edutating her now, but I have to be careful in order not to ...incriminate myself. My poor child might be turned into another "Pavlik Morozov" by PC-fascists!
Anyway, time to hang my massive crucifix on the car mirror. I can see more and more Brits with such swinging crosses inside their cars. No surrender!
My father joined a Methodist church after being raised a Baptist. Oh, the shame.
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That's what happens to Baptists who learn how to read.
Second only to its tendency to encourage the killing of people, I find its proclivity to provide divine authority and respectability for committing what all other cultures regard as rape, the most nauseating aspect of Islam. It would be interesting to see the subject discussed anywhere in the MSM: not being into conspiracy theories, I sometimes think that the problem is similar to a problem that was remarked on in the UK during World War II about people refusing to believe that the murder of the Jews was as extensive as the authorities claimed. Part of it was because they'd been taken in by exaggerated atrocity stories in WWI but the main thing was that the truth was so awful, people refused to believe it.
Polish Infideless, my kids are grown, and at the moment the muslims haven't infiltrated rural America.
I think my granddaughters school is safe for a while.
Interesting how in Judeo-Chistian society sex is an expression of intimacy and love, whereas in Islam it's a means of punishment and humiliation.
Freewoman, perhaps I should take mine to Rural America? Thank God for the New World (you never know when you will need it!)
Infidel4life, Western medicine calls it deviation.
Anyone who says they know a moderate muslim should read this.
Polish infideless,
It does not suprise me that there are Muslims who cannot stand Christians. They know the Christian has gotten stronger in the global south and that there are many Muslims who left to become Christians that have gotten them, ( the Muslims ) angry. So I am not suprise by the reaction you have gotten from that Muslim man you had in your comments.
Speaking as a modern Western secular agnostic, I must say I'm beginning to wonder if the Muslim hatred and fear of Christianity is not of the same order as that of Dracula, the Wolfman, and the perhaps less fictional Satan and his demons. That would serve to explain, among other things, their relentless attempts to rid their lives and societies of the cross. The Italian Muslim Adel Smith throwing a crucifix out of a hospital window has a kind of Bram Stoker ring to it, doesn't it?
Is there a full moon during ramadan, TV? You may be on to something!
Naseem, hide the whip! Hide the whip!
Television, Dracula was real. Look up Vlad Tepesch, Prince of Wallachia or Vlad Drakul, Vlad "The Imapler". He was a member of The Order of the Dragon, a knightly order dedicated to fighting Turkish Muslims who were invading Europe.
Bohemond, I know Dracula was real; I was referring to the fictional vampire who is frightened of crucifixes. The real Dracula not only fought Turkish Muslims, he was imprisoned by them as a young lad and recounted later the unusually gruesome tortures they inflicted on prisoners -- which doubtlessly had a psychological impact on him; I mean, if liberals are so quick to "explain" the crimes of the "disadvantaged" (including now Muslims) by having recourse to their traumatic lives and childhoods, why not similarly explain Dracula's later impaling career?
"Speaking as a modern Western secular agnostic, I must say I'm beginning to wonder if the Muslim hatred and fear of Christianity is not of the same order as that of Dracula, the Wolfman, and the perhaps less fictional Satan and his demons. That would serve to explain, among other things, their relentless attempts to rid their lives and societies of the cross. The Italian Muslim Adel Smith throwing a crucifix out of a hospital window has a kind of Bram Stoker ring to it, doesn't it?"
- posted by Television
Indeed.
Many of the over-the-top reactions I see to Christianity, and especially to the crucifix, convince me of the truth inherent in Christianity.
They, "doth protest too much, methinks".
Not that I really need any more convincing.
The inner peace Christianity affords, as well as many small instances of strange co-incidences in my own life, are proof enough for me.
No point posting questions to Naseem on this thread. Haven't you noticed that s/he never posts on a story for which even the most taqqiya-skilled muslim couldn't come up with some excuse?
Television I agree, If Vlad hadn't been warped by his Muslim captors as a youth, perhaps he would not have been so violent. Or maybe he just undertstood what it took to beat the Muslim bastards.
"It was once reported that an invading Turkish army turned back in fright when it encountered thousands of rotting corpses impaled on the banks of the Danube. In 1461 Mohammed II, the conqueror of Constantinople, a man not noted for his squeamishness, returned to Constantinople after being sickened by the sight of twenty thousand impaled corpses outside of Dracula's capital of Tirgoviste. The warrior sultan turned command of the campaign against Dracula over to subordinates and returned to Constantinople."
http://website.lineone.net/~farrago2/rlcsite/specnew/vlad/archive1/vladintro.htm
Mohammed II may not have been so much "sickened" (sounds like a spot of editorializing there) as more pertinently terrified. I sense an internal countdown mechanism inside me, counting down how long I can stomach our dominant PC multiculturalist posture in the face of Islam before I become truly sickened enough to finally admire someone like the young lad who turned out to be that old Vlad.
Bohemond and Television,
Vlad is a true hero in the fight against Islamic imperialism. Unfortunately, he's gotten a bum rap and wrongly identified with vampires. This is because Victorian novelists confused his righteous acts against the Muslims with the insane acts of Hungarian Countess Erzebet Bathory, a satanist who bathed in the blood of young virgins.
Vlad, was a devout Christian who realized that the only "language" the Muslims understood was that of terror. So he "spoke to them" in their language. The priciple was that his terror against Muslim invaders would be a lessor evil than the evil of submitting to Islam.
Just as Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite, is not condemned as a murderer and adultress when she seduced Sisera and then drove a tent nail through his head, but instead is called "blessed above all the women of Israel" (Judges 4:17-22), likewise Vlad is considered a saint by the Romanian Orthodox Church. I have his ikon on my desk.
Provoslavni,
Interesting. Is the Romanian Orthodox Church part of the overall Orthodox Church that is recognized by the Patriarch in Istanbul? I.e., is Vlad then, by extension, a saint to all Orthodox?
Freewoman wrote: Polish Infideless, my kids are grown, and at the moment the muslims haven't infiltrated rural America.
I think my granddaughters school is safe for a while.
Think again Freewoman. The muslims may not have yet made their appearance, but the ground is being laid, even in rural America. You should see some of the garbage being put out in books intended for "education." I've actually burned one book this year. So bad, so anti-American, so anti-European, so pro-Islam, so WRONG historically I wouldn't even consider reselling the thing. And don't even get me started on the "teaching" of the 3R's.
The only children who are "safe" from the dhimmi PC crapola are those that are homeschooled - which is probably why homeschooling is growing by leaps and bounds, especially among the well educated. Ten years ago nearly all homeschoolers were folks who wanted a Christian, religiously based education for their children. Today those folks are rapidly becoming the minority.
Speaking as a modern Western secular agnostic, I must say I'm beginning to wonder if the Muslim hatred and fear of Christianity is not of the same order as that of Dracula, the Wolfman, and the perhaps less fictional Satan and his demons. That would serve to explain, among other things, their relentless attempts to rid their lives and societies of the cross. The Italian Muslim Adel Smith throwing a crucifix out of a hospital window has a kind of Bram Stoker ring to it, doesn't it?
Oddly enough, this very thought crossed my mind when I read about Mo's abhorrence of garlic and dogs. Maybe there is something to that ancient belief in the power of garlic to keep demons away!
Good post granny. She's going into the first grade next year but I will be keeping up on her textbooks.
We have had incidents when women were raped and then became 'islamic'. (Ynonne ?)
We have had incidents when women embraced islam and subsequently were gangraped.
And we have women being raped for leaving islam.
Think I have a lot to think over.
Television,
Although he's probably in the category of "local saint" most Orthodox don't get bogged down in such distinctions. He is definitely worthy of veneration by all Christians everywhere.