Poll shows Muslims in Britain are the most anti-western in Europe

Blair's on the idiot box right now talking about criminal justice, and "global terrorism based on a corruption of Islam". Not "a" but "the" Mr Prime Minister...

Animus,
You know I feel good that the leaders of the world are at least speaking the "I" word. Earlier they did not do so. But maybe, as one poster observed, I have the tendency to see the cup as half-full.

Much, much more detail about the Pew poll in the Duranty Times.

I think men from Mars have their earth facts better based in reality than Muslims.

We know that these people act in the name of Islam but we also know that the vast and overwhelming majority of Muslims both here and abroad are decent and law abiding people who abhor this kind of terrorism every bit as much as we do."

The reason that the Muslims in Britain is not to pursue a happy life, they are there as in many European countries to pursue their pursuit of the Caliphate (aka total Muslim domination, which generally means death to non believers or slavery--take your choice). Mr Blair states they abhor terrorism..maybe so, but they do not show support in the effort to stop terrorism. They continue to become more violent and secretive.
The world is waking up to the threat the Peaceful Religion of Islam is pursuing. The more the Muslims create death and mayhem, the more they advance towards their own demise. Islam is becoming more desparate than ever and they are failing.

Of course, many will rush to blame these attitudes on our foreign policy. How foriegn policy accounts for widespread Jew hatred and belief in paranoid conspiracy theories about 9/11 will not be mentioned.

Maybe, just maybe it has something to do with our refusal to pursue assimilatory policies. Of course, this was working just fine for Sikhs, Hindus, Jews, Chinese, Carribeans , Christian Africans and lately eastern Europeans.

The British didn't learn from their experience with the Nazis (before WW2) that fascist thugs who despise you and everything you stand for are unworthy objects of affection. Further, it is dangerous to your long term survival to even offer it to them.

No one asked me these questions, or anyone I know. I am quite sure the number of non-muslims who think favourably towards muslims is actually a lot less.

The whole poll: http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?PageID=830

All in all the Nazis were (almost) harmless when compared to the Mohammedans, at least they wore uniforms, they had -some sort of civilization-, some sort of honor, the fanaticism was only skin-deep and the whole spook didn't last long...

Compare that with 1400 years of jihad warfare and the creeping Islamization of North-Africa, Africa itself, Asia, Eurabia, Scandinavia and now even the US!

What's worse is that jihad is ongoing, permanent and relentless and we are not even ready to name the enemy and to take action!

As an enemy, if I had a choice, the Nazis were much preferable....

Poll of Norwegian Muslims
(translation from Norwegian is mine)

"14 percent of the the Norwegian Muslims wants to have Sharia in Norway. That is the results of TV2 and Norsk Gallups survey from May this year."

the original quote in Norwegian:

14 PROSENT AV NORSKE MUSLIMER ønsker innføring av sharia i Norge. Det kom fram i TV2 og Norsk Gallups muslimske meninger fra mai i år.

Source:

Stening og amputering som straff

Astrid Meland

Første gang publisert: onsdag 21. juni 2006

http://www.dagbladet.no/magasinet/

Here is information in Norwegian about how the study was done:

http://icevikings.blogspot.com/2006/06/poll-of-norwegian-muslims.html

What?
British muslims are anti-Western???

John Howard could tell us "No! It isn't so! It's because the British are full of hate; and they are anti muslim bigots! That's the cause of this apparent "anti-Western" perception.

BUT, BUT, they LIVE in the WEST! They have unlimited freedom in Britain!
The British people love them, defend them and support them!

Thus John Howard might pontificate:

Its not enough! The British must learn to be sensitive!

For example, as a jesture of good faith the British should turn over Westminster's Abby to a local immam so that it can be used as a mosque.

A very small token -- if the British are to be taken seriously by their muslim guests!

No! Surely it cannot be. But, I thought that they love us as much as we love them! I am shocked and hurt!

Thus John Howard may shake his enlightened head and mutter to himself:

"Poor, uncouth bigot; insensitive slob; racist vermin.

How truly sad that these unwashed twits can not grasp my lofty wisdom and follow my enlightened path of tolerance so that they, the unclean masses in Britian, could learn to live in harmony with their islamist murderers...errr..uhhh...brothers."

John Howard please tell us it isn't so.

Indeed he shall my child; but first you must climb the great mountain of PC wisdom; grovel at the feet of this exhalted wise-guy; and proffer a modest offering of say, a few million British pounds -- and John Howard may think about your request and get back with you!

was just being sarcastic, throwing crap back at John Howard.

I know. I merely jumped on your band wagon ;0

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21156_Melanie_Phillips_vs._MPACUK#comments

Well worth looking at this for a British (hic!) Muslim, who is about as sad as they come...

Assalamau Laikum all,

What is antiwestern defined as
Most muslims/wuslims just go about their daily business working the same as you peoples.

Sure they want time off to pray but if they are not defied, is that antiwestern....no?

Taking social-security payments is that antiwestern....NO.

Grants for mosque building is that anti-western....NO.

Even wanting sharia is not anti-western.

Only a few peoples who want to bomb & maim are antiwestern. I'll leave MI5,MI6 to deal with them.

Note however continuing my dawa could be considered anti-eastern? This anti-eastern stance by the ungrateful locals is what is really at stake here..the majority of muslims are not anti-western....

you however are anti-eastern....you are asking the wrong question and the wrong peoples!!!

They certainly did, where my parents live and where I live they would find 0% favourable to Muslims. So which Naseem is it today?

Many of Britain's Muslims live in working class areas of England's northern cities.These are the most depressing parts of what are otherwise ugly, dreary cities. Anyone would have a negative view of the world if they had to live there.
However, whereas the more base elements of the native population ( male and female ) vent their frustrations by watching soccer, binge drinking and fighting every weekend (I think the term is "battlin' ", if memory serves), the muslim population has no such outlet and so resorts to what it knows best , Islam.
The violent supremist ideology is perfectly suited to those who feel superior and seperate to the surrounding populace.All you need is the right cleric.
The rest of the population living in the leafy suburbs have absorbed the pc multicultural message and live blissfully unaware of the reality around them.
I don't think this poll should be too surprising , it is after all, reflecting the situation very well.

Naseem,
I think most of us are anti-Islamic but not anti-eastern or anti-muslim_peoples. Most of us like Eastern peoples who can work and live with us constructively. I work and live with many eastern peoples... I have worked with Chinese, Thais, Eastern Indians, Phillipinos and Australians to name a few. I worked for an Israeli software company with a software development center in the United States and have a close friend from that time, who returned to Israel. We still write to one another. Those people had class, the Israelis, let me tell you. I was never treated better as an employee and had good relationships with most of the Israelis but the craziness of their working style got to me after a while... and the Russian immigrants to Israel did leave something to be desired... bad attitudes on the whole. I blame that more on Russian memories than anything.. but I digress.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is: most of us aren't anti-eastern as a rule nor are we anti-muslim_people. We're anti-Islamic because that system requires that we are killed, converted or subjugated and that our ways of doing things and ways of seeing the world have to be destroyed.

Islam is the enemy - not the people - just as Nazism was the enemy, not the entire German people. We must try to hate the Islam but love it slaves. That's hard... we can't identify who is who. So many hypocrites and disbelievers will have to die unnecessarily. If the True Believers insist on hiding among the Ummah and the Ummah doesn't resist this - the ummah will ultimately pay the price for this mistake. The Ummah won't realize it until many die, but it will change after the price is too high, in my opinion.

Heres the a breakdown, deal with it
> i think the majority of western people are decent people, its the Americanist extremist from among them who are a threat.
> Killing innocent civilans is wrong, whether its the 4000 in 9/11 and 7/11 or the 2-3 million killed by the USA over the past hundred years.
> Every muslim, should want the caliphate to return, and we can see why, look at whats happened to muslims, both internally and through external aggression.
> Aint it hypocritical for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, to demonise a Potential United States of Islam.
>but again having the borders removed will destroy the western philosophy of devide and conquer.
> so basically Morocco,Egypt,Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Saudi, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, indonesia, Turkey, Syria,U.A.E, Qatar, Oman... ect coming together as one, would militarily and financially put the USA and His wives to shame.
> this would also end the oppression and crimes against islam, which currently go unaccounted.
> Granted the state of the caliphate will depend on the caliph, a good caliph = good for all and a bad caliph will ruin it.
>on the whole terrorist actions will also cease, as those lost will have help and support, and will be able to join a military.
>True say you wont have access to the cheap oil, and you will have to remove the invisible stars of Saudi arabia, Iraq ect from you flag,

la Frontera: a pretty good description of modern day binge drinking Britain. I agree with Plague that we are castigating the ideology, not the person.
However, 'sheik your brain cells' is really pushing it by suggesting the Nazi's were better than the radical islamists...try telling that to a polish jew of a Hungarian gypsy.
But there is a lot of good to come from this survey. If we can include the British population as being as highly unsatisfied with British / western culture as the brit suicide bombers, it strengthens the case for a radical overhaul in our approach to muslims in the UK

good for all and a bad caliph will ruin it....
by above poster

What's the difference? I, myself, don't see any. Any caliph would be bad.

To American-in-Germany:

I would disagree with your idea that Nazis were less dangerous to WestCiv than jihadists are.

In 1938-1940, Nazi Germany was one of the strongest economies in the world, and the most militarized one, with millions of very well trained troops (no Pali bombers can even remotely compare themselves to the SS), absolutely ruthless ideology and a drive for world domination. The US slept in overseas isolation, and the only power hindering Hitler from destroying democracy was Great Britain - dangerously dependent on import of food and military material.

If Hitler was at his senses, he would never declare war on the US - he would rather starve Britain to submission using his U-Boots, develop nuclear weapons and then only turn against America. The experience and skill of Nazi rocket engineers would probably ensure him the definitive triumph.

I think we are much better now. By the way, the public denial of the Nazi threat in the 30's was very similar to current denial of jihad threat, and maybe even bigger.

Greetings from Czechia (first Hitler's foreign victim, not counting Anschluss of German-speaking Austria)

Salahudin, so what about the 80 million Hindus killed by Islamics, many times greater then your inflated figures atributed to the USA. But anyway I am feeding the Troll, which is not healthy, were you the person in that Sky News Interview I posted earlier?

"Less than a third of British non-Muslims said they viewed Muslims as violent, significantly fewer than non-Muslims in Spain (60%), Germany (52%), the US (45%) and France (41%)."

Two observations:

1) These figures should be, at the very least, in the high 80 percentiles: the fact that it breaks down at roughly half bespeaks the tenacious hold of the PC disease in Western societies.

2) It gets worse: Even these figures do not reveal ambivalences and/or relative ignorance on the part of those polled: i.e., a certain proportion of these Westerners who view Muslims as violent may still not be well-informed and therefore may fail to frame these "views" with an appropriate knowledge of Islam (Koran, Mohammed, Ahadith, Sharia, etc.) -- i.e., a person can "view" Muslims as violent but also believe there are "social" or "economic" or "political" "explanations" (code words for: it's the fault of the West) for this violent tendency.

Abu Kafir, good point. The Nazis presented alot of threats that the Islamists are simply incapable of posing. However, Sheik's point was equally good, as the Islamists pose threats that the Nazis never did. The Islamist treat is one of demographics and long term relentless jihad that has been completely continuous for nearly 1400 years. The threats are somewhat different, however, we can still take alot of lessons from our dealings, or initial lack therof , with the Nazis.

Also, I agree with the advice from previous posters not to feed the troll, since our friend Salahudin has shown on numerous threads that he is incapable of direct debate on a subject and rather than directly answering posts, he will simply change the topic to one that better suits his agenda, such as the bombing of Hiroshima, or the Israeli-Arab conflict. There's really no point in bothering with him. Hopefully Hugh or Robert will ban him if he continues to spam threads with off-topic comments.

It's nice to see you back Calum.

Survey finds chasm between Muslims, Westerners
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-06-23T123302Z_01_N23133507_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-SURVEY.xml&src=062306_0859_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters

Salahudin - do you really believe this:

>but again having the borders removed will destroy the western philosophy of devide and conquer.
> so basically Morocco,Egypt,Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Saudi, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, indonesia, Turkey, Syria,U.A.E, Qatar, Oman... ect coming together as one, would militarily and financially put the USA and His wives to shame.

The USA and his wives against the combined forces of "Morocco,Egypt,Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Saudi, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, indonesia, Turkey, Syria,U.A.E, Qatar, Oman... " ???

Are you serious?

I think this information is very valuable. the survey states that only 17% of brit muslims believe it was Arabs who perpetrated 9/11. This is another part of an anti-radical strategy. Dissolve muslim conspiracy theories. Use the state, use the media, use the educational system. (use Banksy style propoganda)

American & Abu Allah:

Both of you are right, any historic comparison fails on some counts.

I would like to point out one more advantage on the WestCiv side: Islam is pretty much fragmented. It seems that historically Moslems are a bit backward when it comes to large-scale, lasting alliances. Still the "tribal" view of the world. Just look at the myriads of all the terrorist groups in the Islamic world. They tend to resort to intergroup/sectarian infighting very soon.

That is why Iran worries me a lot, since this is the only current Islamic state with fanatics at power and an organized, disciplined army equipped with modern weapons. Pakistan could slip this way too, if Musharraf is bereft of power.

A_Plague_on_Both_Houses, Come on man, lets not feed the troll. Does it really matter if he believes it or not? He probably believes that muslims were the first to reach America, and the first to put a man on the moon.

Abu Kafir, again, good point. Hugh has discussed this issue on a number of occasions, and this, he argues, is why we should pull out of Iraq. Trying to preserve the unity of Iraq is counterproductive to defeating the jihad. Rather than pouring cold water on the divisions that exist in Iraq between different muslim groups, and the greater middle east, we should be endevouring to pour gasoline on these tensions, drawing in the surrounding Sunni and Shia states and forcing them to expend their own blood and treasure to support their horse, and in the process freeing up our resources for other battles and causing the focus in the region to shift from fighting the infidel, to fighting each other.

I haven't been to the U.K. since the 1990's, but all of the random sampling of cabdrivers and shop owners I spoke to on the subject were universally pissed at the unassimilating atttitude of the Muslims in Britain. So, I find the low negative response from non-Muslim Brits to be fallacious and misleading.

If you join England and become British, that's fine. But if you are an infil-traitor and venomous seed of the Caliphate Take-Over Plot, you're welcome to return to Mecca and spin around the "holy" meteorite until you gain some brains. And basic humanity.

Or are there radioactive emissions from the Black Rock in the Ka'aba that derrange the consciousness of all who near it -or even fixate on it from afar?

It would make an interesting sci-fi horror film to discover that the Meccan stone actually was a form of extra-terrestrial microwave poison for the mind, and that if Muslims destroyed this Rock their souls and intellects would be finally freed from the toxic thrall of murderously intolerant Islam?

"The Ka'aba Kode?"

Spielberg? Lucas? Sophia Coppolla? Altman?

Or would it be a better subject for Quentin "Hostel" Tarentino?

(Considering the carnage involved.)

Abu Allah - I'd like to know why Salahudin thinks the combined forces of those nations will beat the United States and his wives. Does he base that on anything other than 'the will of Allah' ? If the will of allah is the thing... then allah favors the infidel in terms of resources, numbers of people, brain power, constructive progress, finance and firepower.

So what does Salahudin base his outrageous statement on? allah clearly favors infidels over the poor, illiterate and inadequate muslim nations. Even the lucky ones with oil can't bring it up to the ground surface, and export it themselves. They can't do much of anything....

Do you think the Iranians and Indonesians can stand up to the combined forces of the infidel even in terms of capable fighting men? They may have numbers,but ... ?

I just want to hear why Salahudin thinks the pan-Islamic collection of nations have the means and ability to take on & beat a coalition of forces led by the United States... where's the proof? Not Afghanistan or Iraq... when we were serious about it we broke them in days. So did our sexy wife Israel....

so Salahudin... it's the 'will of Allah' isn't it? that's the great equalizer?

look at every measurable statistic other than oil... what do you see Salahudin? Allah loves the infidels. Allah punishes the Ummah ...

Profitsbeard, maybe it's Devil's rays emanating hate. Lord knows it's what they do! It could be the Devil lives in it and the surrounding M.E. is just Hell.

OH MY GAWD!!! THE DEMONS HAVE ESCAPED FROM HELL!

La Frontera:
"Many of Britain's Muslims live in working class areas of England's northern cities.These are the most depressing parts of what are otherwise ugly, dreary cities. Anyone would have a negative view of the world if they had to live there."

Erm, bullshit. I live in Manchester and it is one of the most culturally vibrant, prosperous cities in the UK and has seen huge redevelopment in the last two decades. Same goes for Leeds, the home of the suicide bombers. It is in no way defined by "Dark Satanic Mills" - they are now executive flats or alchohol fueled violence - we have the most effectively policed city centre in the UK.

It's a question of not wanting to participate or integrate, the drinking thing is an issue though. There's almost nowhere where the two cultures meet as British social life revolves around pubs, even if the social problems caused by drinking are an exaggeration outside of badly designed city centers in dormitory towns. I have never met a practicing Muslim socialy outside of work, we live separate lives.

'so basically Morocco,Egypt,Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Saudi, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, indonesia, Turkey, Syria,U.A.E, Qatar, Oman... ect coming together as one, would militarily and financially put the USA and His wives to shame.'

*blink*

Now, correct me if I am wrong, everyone, but I think Israel is listed as the 6th largest military in the world?

And they Flattened the combined might of half the countries on this list.

Financially?

You do realize, sam / salhudin / lionheart, that the Major export of most of these nations is oil... and that is drying up in the next 30 years?

Not to mention that the UAE is pouring its billions into building the world's largest tourist attraction- precisely Because they know their finances are going down the tubes if they don't get away from oil quick!

Now. Who else knows what about these countries, that sam doesn't?

Gary - it is the will of allah that will equalize matters. Inshallah - the compassionate and beneficent allah will help kill the infidel and equalize things for his slaves... it is always the will of allah.

That's what I'm expecting to hear from Salahudin. What I can read shows me the same as what you state... allah hates the ummah - look what he does for them in the present. They are the dirt of the world in allah's view. How else can you explain their lack of success and the conditions they live in? Allah loves the infidel. How can you explain the beauty, the achievement the incredible wealth of the infidel world. not to mention the wild slutty womens... allah knows what infidel men like. allah provides.

Salahudin, do you think for a moment that the shrewd hypocrites who run countries like Saudi and the fifedoms like the the U.A.E and Oman, which are more like family real estate holdings rather than a nation in a traditional meaning of the word, would actually throw their money into the hat? For the pan-Islamic fighting forces?

They're shrewd, not delusional or stupid. The money arabs would put token amounts in and talk it up a great deal, but most of their money would go to infidel offshore banks and holdings and the New York Stock Exchange and the London exchange...

Give me a break Salahudin.. you think those suckers running the Arabian Pennisula would put their own blood and treasure on the line? They'd stand behind you as you advance, wearing two coats of mail just like their Great Example used to do. They'll encourage you to die for allah... don't you get it?

Salahudin -

How original. You posted that same absurd message on another thread. I would think that if your're going to repeat yourself that you find a more intelligent "laundry list" of complaints to post.

Can you deal with THAT!!!!!

Americaningermany, that poor woman was Melanie Philips (and she is far from poor in that sense), she knows very much what Islam is, she went as far as she could without alienating the still PC infected herd, but he is pretty typical of the assertive young British Muslim that would represent very well the Western society haters.

Here is her blog: http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/

She certainly understands Islam. Those comments were to try to get away from the use of the word hysterical which is used to undermine her by the left and Muslims. I thought she did very well in that clip, though the Muslim seemed to hang dry and quarter himself. It was funny though...

"...suggesting last year's London bombings did not trigger a significant rise in prejudice."

It is THIS kind of idiocy on the part of the West that may very well spell our doom.

Prejudice?

The only prejudice we should be accused of is in acquiring our targets with the utmost of accuracy when the Muslim enemy unveils itself. I am all out of mercy. I am above shame.

Anyone that calls me a bigot today for my stance on Islam is hardly much better than the enemies that work against our nations.

Enough coddling!! Wake up, Western World! Do you want history to remember us for being appeasing fools who once had a dream? History books won't record even that if we lose this fight. The Muslims will pave over our gravestones for parking lots where new mosques sprout up on top of churches and temples.

My patience wears thin, as you can tell.

The results of this poll are interesting...and perplexing.

Do the results indicate that the attitude of most Britons are based upon assumed mutual good will, i.e. there is little direct contact between Britons and Moslems in the UK?

Or does it indicate that, in spite of the expressed spite coming from the Moslem community, Britons are going down the road of appeasement. Please God, let that not be the case!

There has been some discussion as to whether it would be preferable to have Nazis or Islamofascists as enemies. Such discussion is fruitless, of course. Every time that evil arise in organized form, it will adapt to the circumstances of the time and manipulate them accordingly. So it was with the Nazis were "then." Certain lessons can be carried forward, most particularly those concerning the ineffectiveness of appeasement. Other lessons are particular to the time.

There seems to be a dichotomy in Britain today. Binge drinkers and carousers on one hand and dour, self-righteous Moslems -arrogating all virtue and wisdom to themselves- on the other. Surely there is another Britain, one that remembers, is justifiably proud of and cherishes its ancient culture and traditions. One that is satisfied with neither the hedonism of some nor the insolent disdain of others.

Oh, and one more point: as IF these Muslims are going to be honest in these polls!?!

Crikey! So, multiply the negatives x3. Reduce the postives by 50% and then you might have some accurate analysis.

Polls are a joke most of the time. What do we need polls for, when everyday we have the evidence of the "love" coming from the "peaceful" Muslims all around us?

British muslims have had so much handed to them on a plate that they've begun to believe their own hype. Of course they have a negative view of the west, our government has done everything it can to ensure they feel justified in any hatred they wish to aim at us. Come to east London and see the gangs of young muslims intimidating old ladies. That was not a joke by the way.

Champ, I doubt our friend the troll even wrote the original post himself. He didn't even bother to remove the formatting carrots from the email that one of his fellow mobots no doubt sent him. That is the modus operandi for the vast majority of the islamophile trolls that you find accross the internet. They don't actually debate, they just spam. They have actual sites set up where the simps can go and find generic prewritten responses for any general topic, that they can simply copy and paste as many times as they need. This fits right inline with the muslim world view where everyone is just a mindless drone or slave of Muhammad. No need to think for yourself, just parrot what you have been told by your masters, or in this case cut-and-paste.

You're right, Abu, as the carrots are a dead giveaway. The blind are clearly leading the blind, or should I say, the mindless are leading the mindless.

Strangely i find my heart warming towards you lot, i am begining to feel love and respect for you lot, BUT WHY...................

Strangely i find my heart warming towards you lot, i am begining to feel love and respect for you lot, BUT WHY...................

Salahudin, sounds like you are losing your deen! Maybe you are becoming human :)

and then id dawns on me, some of your children will revert to islam, some of your grand children will revert to islam, some will be born and stay muslims, MOST of your great grand children will be muslim, ALL of your great great grand children will be muslim. So you are inshalla the parents of the next great UMMAH, and ummah without non of the CULTURAL retardness, which gives the west its only ammunition to critisize ISLAM, eg, Forced Marriages= cultural, Women not driving= cultural, Honour killings= cultural, get my drift!!!!!
wishing you all the best of health and the most intelligent and strong of offspring....

Salahudin - you're still here and you haven't answered my questions. I demand an answer.

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Salahudin - do you really believe this:

>but again having the borders removed will destroy the western philosophy of devide and conquer.
> so basically Morocco,Egypt,Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Saudi, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, indonesia, Turkey, Syria,U.A.E, Qatar, Oman... ect coming together as one, would militarily and financially put the USA and His wives to shame.

The USA and his wives against the combined forces of "Morocco,Egypt,Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Saudi, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, indonesia, Turkey, Syria,U.A.E, Qatar, Oman... " ???

Are you serious?
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My wife, Israel, kicked 1/2 of this list's ass in 1948, 1967, 1973... United States kicked Iraq's ass twice in 1990 and 2003...

What is going to change this? The Will of Allah?

Posted by: salahudin [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 10:10 AM
Heres the a breakdown, deal with it
> i think the majority of western people are decent people, its the Americanist extremist from among them who are a threat.

Define extremist salad, I will wager you mean those that believe in the constitution and the individual freedoms that it enshrines. You as a Muslim are a collectivist, you believe in mob rule, as a Musulman you can not understand the concept of free thought and creativity. You are servile in nature and need to have your life structured from the start of day to the finish. You are incapable of thinking for yourself and see those that can as a threat. Those that succumb to collective ideologies are moral cowards, you have been brainwashed by some of the oldest tricks in the book. Like the Heroin addict who thinks his drug is the only way to view the world, your religion has corrupted your intellectual and reasoning capacity so that you see the world through the distorted and psychotic lens of Islam.

> Killing innocent civilans is wrong, whether its the 4000 in 9/11 and 7/11 or the 2-3 million killed by the USA over the past hundred years.

Define innocent civilian’s salad; this is a common fallback position for Muslims and a typical piece of Taqiya. How can you as a Muslim and one who believes in Jihad consider any infidel innocent? I refer to these quotes from your sick book.

• "Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)
• The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5). "Fight against those who believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who... refuse allegiance to the True Faith from among those who have received the Book, until they humbly pay tribute out of hand." (Koran 9:29) Note: These verses distinguish between warfare against pagans, and against Jews and Christians.[17]
• "...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5); "murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).
• "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
• "Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).
• "Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60).
• "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (Koran 9:73).
• "slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace..." (Koran 5:34).
• "for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Koran 22:19-22)

Every muslim, should want the caliphate to return, and we can see why, look at whats happened to muslims, both internally and through external aggression.

Again you state clearly that your ideal is a system where the personal responsibility for your actions is removed and placed into the hands of a theocratic elite who wish nothing more than your subjugation to fascistic regime. What about those people who do not wish to live under a caliphate and refuse the concept of dhimmitude. What would you do with those people, how can you convince those with even half a brain that their fate isn’t outlined in the verses I have posted above.

> Aint it hypocritical for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, to demonise a Potential United States of Islam.

No it is not, especially when that system has built into it concepts of apartheid, discrimination, misogyny and aggressive warfare.

>but again having the borders removed will destroy the western philosophy of devide and conquer.
> so basically Morocco,Egypt,Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Saudi, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, indonesia, Turkey, Syria,U.A.E, Qatar, Oman... ect coming together as one, would militarily and financially put the USA and His wives to shame.

How do you work that one out, apart from oil revenue, what products do any of those countries produce that could come close to competing with the US on a military or economic level.

> this would also end the oppression and crimes against islam, which currently go unaccounted.

What crimes are these, resistance to a totalitarian ideology is a legitimate form of self defense.

> Granted the state of the caliphate will depend on the caliph, a good caliph = good for all and a bad caliph will ruin it.

You admit that a Caliphate would be a dictatorship and the only way it is going to work is if the dictator is imbued with some form of benevolence, this really is reasoning at its most primitive.

>on the whole terrorist actions will also cease, as those lost will have help and support, and will be able to join a military.

This would only work if the whole world is subjugated and held under the jack boot of Islam, until that point we can expect aggressive Jihad to continue. No thank you!

>True say you wont have access to the cheap oil, and you will have to remove the invisible stars of Saudi arabia, Iraq ect from you flag,

I look forward to the day when we remove our energy dependence from ME oil, this day is fast approaching and once the financial support dries up so will the Jihad outside of the umma.

You have not produced one single coherent argument as to why Islam should be allowed to flourish; you have merely highlighted the fascistic ideologies which underlie your religion and how these are a threat to the rest of the world.

Your rants sound like those who dream of a communist/socialist utopia who believe any action justifies the means. I look forward to the day when your kind either wake up from your collective psychosis or are dead as a result of the free world rising up and exterminating the fascist Muslim presence that currently threatens our progress into the future.

Salahudin, answer my question:

do you really believe this:

> so basically Morocco,Egypt,Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Saudi, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, indonesia, Turkey, Syria,U.A.E, Qatar, Oman... ect coming together as one, would militarily and financially put the USA and His wives to shame.

Actually a caliph is very different from a dictator, the concept of voting was first implemented in ISLAM, unlike your dictator BUSH, The caliph will be voted in, he will be held accountable for his actions by a panel of judges including women, and one supreme judge. so unlike your Bush and all the BUSHITS he wont have free reign to massacre and kill

do you really believe this Salah al Din?

> so basically Morocco,Egypt,Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Saudi, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, indonesia, Turkey, Syria,U.A.E, Qatar, Oman... ect coming together as one, would militarily and financially put the USA and His wives to shame.

Just answer 'yes' or 'no'.... you don't have to defend it.

Do you really believe this:

> so basically Morocco,Egypt,Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Saudi, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, indonesia, Turkey, Syria,U.A.E, Qatar, Oman... ect coming together as one, would militarily and financially put the USA and His wives to shame.

Actually a caliph is very different from a dictator, the concept of voting was first implemented in ISLAM, unlike your dictator BUSH, The caliph will be voted in, he will be held accountable for his actions by a panel of judges including women, and one supreme judge. so unlike your Bush and all the BUSHITS he wont have free reign to massacre and kill

Posted by: salahudin [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 01:53 PM

ROTFL, how is that not a dictator and how do you come to the conclusion that the President of the US is a dictator.

You really live in a fantasy world salad.

A_Plague_on_Both_Houses, please refer to my above post where i stated:
"Salahudin has shown on numerous threads that he is incapable of direct debate on a subject and rather than directly answering posts, he will simply change the topic to one that better suits his agenda, such as the bombing of Hiroshima, or the Israeli-Arab conflict. There's really no point in bothering with him."

Is that not exactly what he has done? When his previous post was sufficiently debunked, instead of debating, he simply moves on to another completely unrelated topic, telling you about how he predicts that all your descendents will convert to islam. Now of course you could tell him that the increase in the muslim population in the west is due almost entirely to the unchecked birthrates of muslims and that the number of conversions is negligiable in comparison, and that in fact six million muslims each year are converting to christianity in Africa, and that the population growth of Christians in Africa, South America, and Southeast Asia is far outstripping muslim population growth in the west. You could also remind him how many muslims in the west are leaving their faith and ask him if he has ever been to Amsterdam and seen all the beutiful Arab and South asian strippers and prostitutes in the red light district, who are the children of muslim immigrants. But none of this would matter, since he would simply, and predictibly change the subject once again, maybe to lecture you about what whites did to Native Americans.

This is what you would expect. Muslim behaviour is as predictible, to anyone who has dealt with them extensively, as a bull's behavior is to a well trained matador.

(So once again, don't feed the troll.)

yes i do believe, tell me if bush and the previous regieims, clinton excluded, really have the middle east best intentions, why do they always play for the leaders of the middle east to be subservient to the usa, regardless of the affect it has on the middle eastern population.
Sadam was OK killing people, untill he stopped playing to americas tune, and i could go on

Thanks Abu Allah, you're right. Inshallah, the defenders of Islam have no weapons. Allah will provide.

allah loves the infidels and is stern with the muslims. The proof is everywhere. allah showers the infidel with gifts.

Oh - Salah al Din.... okay... good you believe that to be true.

I hope many young men join up for the Pan-Islamic army so that we can finally see them and distinguish them from the rest of the Ummah.

Also to respond to you:

"tell me if bush and the previous regieims, clinton excluded, really have the middle east best intentions, why do they always play for the leaders of the middle east to be subservient to the usa, regardless of the affect it has on the middle eastern population."

I would say that it doesn't matter to anyone in the United States if our President has the Middle East in its best intentions. The president should have the best of intentions for We The People of the United States of America.

Remember this salah al din - the ummah are raised to be slaves. Does it matter if your master is the Calipha or Bush? You obey the master whoever that may be. Mohammed, your shining example said, he who obeys the ruler obeys allah. Obey Bush and all is well.
Mohammed also said, obey your ruler even if he is a slave with a head like a raisan. ( meaning obey the leader even if he's a black african ) Mohammed was racist, you see, among other things. If you need the citation from the sahih Bukhari collection, let me know.

Wait a minute....

I believe that Bush is the new Calipha and is in the middle east to build the pan-Islamic nation... he controls Afghanistan and Iraq... two down, more to go. It all makes sense now, Bush is the Calipha. He does repeat 'Islam is a noble religion of peace' over and over again...

A_Plague_on_Both_Houses, I encourage everyone to learn what people like Salahudin believe, and it appears you have. But don't try to make sense of it, as there is no sense to be made. And don't expect that you will be able to have a logical debate with someone who thinks that the indiginous Americans were once a thriving Islamic society. You can study the anatomy and behaviour of a lab rat, but don't expect to sit down and have an enlightened debate with it!

OK, if muhammad was a racist, why would he tell his people to follow a black leader, and why are so many of the black population in both usa and UK reverting to islam, answers on a post card please

salahudin wrote:

...and then id dawns on me, some of your children will revert to islam, some of your grand children will revert to islam, some will be born and stay muslims, MOST of your great grand children will be muslim, ALL of your great great grand children will be muslim.

I find it much more likely that my grown children will be shooting your grown children and shouting things like:

"God bless the U.S.A!" and "Semper Fi!"

Have a nice day.

abu, were'nt you that cute lil monkey in Aladin

Forehammer, true but judging by todays soilders the minuit they are the ones out numbered or they come face to face with someone stronger they will crap their pants,

Now back to the topic at hand, one thing that was never pointed out was that out of all the countries mentioned in the poll, Britain also has the highest percentage of muslims, and those muslims tend to live together in enclaves. Has anyone thought to make this connection, and upon thinking about it, does anyone seriously think it is just a coincidence? If my memory serves me correctly, the muslim population in UK stands at just under 10%. What do we think would be the attitudes of those muslims if(when) their numbers were to reach 20%? 30%?

American forces are outnumbered in almost every conflict ever fought, actually, Salahudin. Sending forces overseas into foreign domains doesn't exactly spell the means to have greater numbers.

We win by superior training, quality of soldier and technical advancements, as well as the tried and true traditions of the unequaled U.S. military academies. I know you would like to live other fantasies besides those in the Qur'an, but the merit of the U.S. fighting man is hardly something in question by history.

And you want to really have an eye-opener: the U.S.A. isn't even fully awake yet. You better pray to Allah that the U.S.A. never gets 100% behind this New World War (though it's inevitable in my estimation), because then you're going to see what made the founders of the U.S.A. capable of beating the world's only Superpower of the day. We are a very tenacious lot, with a taste for real freedom and we love our children and life. You have pissed us off. The reckoning will not be pretty.

Abu, u really are a cute, but stupid monkey, the british muslim population is 1.6 m, overall population is around 67m that makes PERCENTAGE AROUND 1-2%

"abu, were'nt you that cute lil monkey in Aladin."

Another brilliant and analytical response. Is there really any point in engaging someone with this level of mentality? Can everyone please quit feeding the troll and get back on topic?

But I'm so enjoying making the Muslim revert take measure of his cult's demise...ok, ok, I'll stop for now. :)

Mohammed was making the point that nothing matters but Islam - submission to the will of allah ( aka Mohammed's agenda ) the obedience to the leader is the thing which matters, even if the leader is 'beneath' you and is the lowest of the low. Submission is everything.

Mohammed said the ummah should submit above any other consideration. he did it for power, not some sense of equity among leaders or men. That is the last thing on Mohammed's agenda, sir.

Black men in US, UK and other places may be turning to Islam, true, but it's not because of 'equality'. It's a rejection of the west because of mistreatment in the past.

Okay We admit it. but We change. South Africa stopped apartheid, the United States stopped it's apartheid and mistreatment of blacks. We don't deny the sins of the past. This slavery is part of our history and happened despite the teachings of Jesus in Christianity.

Slavery still happens in the Pan-Islamic world and is supported by the commands of allah. The ummah can never change and will always have slavery. allah commands it.

Those black men in the west don't fully realize what the Ummah have done to them, beginning of course with Mohammed, a slave owner himself and a person who said derogatory things about black African people. It all begins with The Great Example for men in All Times and Places ....

I have to take a minute to point out that the Africans sold their own into slavery and that Muslims (and Jews, to be fair) comprised a solid part of the slaver merchants of the time.

If not for slavery, there would hardly be any black Americans, so I really get a bit stressed out when people bring that "crime" up. Nobody talks abou the potato famine and the treacheries of the British that drove my Irish anscestors to the shores of America. Slavery was hardly the only crime committed against future Americans of the past.

Abu allah - I do hear you.

salahudin = abdullah bin malak al zalam

Anyway here is a solution based on rationla though not blinded by political and media propoganda.
Muslims should accept that sharia law in the uk or any country without a muslim majority wont work.
you people talk about the killings done in the name of islam, u should look at what your own governments are doing.
You people should realise that when you invade a country, people will fight back. everyone has their rallying cry, eg americans gain strength and unity by being nationalistic.
Muslims dont restrict themselves to borders and gain strength and unity by using the cry of islam.
Muslims in the west particularly England should appreciate the decent living conditions we have, and the oppertunities we have in terms of education and work.
Muslims must do their bit to mix with non-muslims, without compromising their religion.
you lot must understand if your values are getting drunk, being promiscious (outside of marriage)gambling ect, than no muslim will ever share that with you.
Your governments should stop interfering with the middle east, it will either destroy itself, or improve.
The media must report unbiasly,

salahudin admits: Muslims dont restrict themselves to borders and gain strength and unity by using the cry of islam.

Shout it from the rooftops salahudin!

Q.E.D.

Islam is the enemy - islam is the problem.

You would think that if someone is going to mindlessly cut and paste someone elses writing and pass it off as their own, that they would at least take the time to fix the formatting after they cut and paste so that the post might actually look like they had written it themselves.

You talk about slavery in islam, ok first we have to treat our slaves like we ourselves expect to be treated, eg, we dont lie them down in a ship for 4 months, with only a couple of inches of air above them. slaves must be treated properly, given food, clothed and have a place to reside.
Now tell me how many homeless people are there in the USA or in anypart of the world for that matter, how many people are living without the basics, and how many of them as a result turn to crime. Now thats not a slur on the west, coz its a numbers game and not every1 can earn their keep, so whats wrong with giving these people food, clothes, accommodation ect, in return for their labour ect. and above all else they gain a sense of belonging and affiliation

Dont stop foehammer, I am enjoying it.

No disrespect to you Abu I agree with what you say about trolls, but should we just stick to the topics at hand it just becomes a case of preaching to the choir. A worthy endeavor I am sure but not as much fun as challenging salads Islamic psychosis.

I also dont buy the 1-2% figure for Muslims in the UK. That is just a fantasy figure made up by the Multicultists who currently have their hands on the reigns of power.

I think a better indicator of population dynamics is the number of registered births and their names. My original home town now has the dubious distinction of having Mohammed being the most popular boys name.

http://xrl.us/Peterborough

For the whole of the country it comes in around 20th but othe spellings of Mohammed are not included i.e. Muhammed etc etc.

http://xrl.us/names

I believe the figure to be much closer to the 10% mark and this is increasing everyday.

To salad you didnt answer my question from yesterday how are we supposed to take your religion seriously when pederasty is central to your cultural ideals. Kiddy fiddlers are deviants no matter what ethnocentric BS you wrap it up in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_the_Islamic_world

everything i have posted is my own, i have cut and pasted things i posted on the other topics,

salahudin... this site is 'jihad watch' not 'western imperialism' watch. Let's talk Jihad.

KM: I answered that yesterday and think that most people would accept the point i made

As the Melanie Phillips interveiw linked above amply illustrates, it is our refusal to allow terrorists to overide the democratic consensus that is fuelling Moslem's disillusionment. It says that we are beggining to win the ideological war.

BritishMoslems will only feel at home here when they are able to project the controls over our domestic and foreign policies that suit their agenda. If they're disgruntled it's because we're not yeilding to their aspirations and tactics.

Soz sammi mate, but it ain't gonna happen. Wanna feel righteous? Convert to Judaism!

No you didn’t, you claimed that other societies practiced marriage of prepubescent girls, like Mohammed (Pigspiss be upon him).

I am speaking about something completely different and that is the sexual infatuation of Muslim overlords and Islamic culture with young boys, read the link.

I believe this to be one of the principle factors which contributes to Islamic misogyny.

KM i think your confusing us with catholic priests

km, I hear what you are saying about preaching to the choir and I suppose a little conflict now and then makes the site more interesting and attracts more posts and hits. If you look at the post count, the threads that by far have the most posts are those that have the most trolls. If this helps get the word out to more people about the global jihad, then so be it, although I still think my position on trolls is valid. As far as the percentage of muslims in UK that I mentioned earlier, I think its a bit inflated. I just said it off the top of my head and I think it was something I had come accross on Al-Ghuraba's website, and their not exactly known for their honesty. Another thing to consider is the number of those Muhammads and Abdullas in western countries who are the children of Muslims, but are not at all religious themselves. I had two roomates in college like this. Great guys, completely unreligious, but with Arab/Muslim names. This never gets taken into account in census info, and as a result, makes the demographic threat seem worse than it is (not that it isn't a threat.)

How comes everyones gone silent on the slavery thing, any response to my post,

KM - the underlying reason for Islamic misogyny stems from the relationship Mohammed had with his mother, or lack of a relationship that is.

The muslims mistreat their women because Mohammed did and allah commands them to.

Mohammed's mother abandoned him more than once and didn't show him affection. this affected him.

When Mohammed created his sociopathic belief system he made women pay for the sins of his mother. Blame Mohammed... he never forgave his mother and wouldn't pray for her at her grave or anywhere else. He didn't honor his mother. Mohammed is the source of the trouble. The islamic world stands or falls on the example of 'the best of men to be emulated in all places for all times'.

so abu u admit that all your post lack any real substance

No I am not it is there in black and white for you to read, or is that a Zionist conspiracy to. A fundamental difference exists between Islam and the RC church. Pederasty is considered a crime in the RC church and is punished as such, however in the Muslim world it is something to be praised and encouraged.

The practice of pederasty in the Islamic world began sometime during the 800s and ended, at least as an open practice, in the mid-19th century. Throughout this era, pederastic relationships, poetry, art and spirituality were found throughout Islamic cultures from Moorish Spain to Northern India. The forms of this pederasty ranged from the chaste and spiritual adoration of youths at one extreme, to the violent and forcible use of unwilling boys at other.

The seeming co-relation of pederasty with the rise of Islam has been commented on by modern historians, who see a link between the love of boys and the protective attitude of Islam towards women, leading to their removal from public life, together with the tendency of Islamic law to accommodate within the domain of "private behavior" inevitable activities, as long as they do not interfere with public order.[1] The topos of "ishq" – "heroic love" – which could have as object a beautiful beardless boy as easily as a woman, is prominent in literature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_the_Islamic_world

salahudin:

Black men in US, UK and other places may be turning to Islam, true, but it's not because of 'equality'. It's a rejection of the west because of mistreatment in the past.

Okay We admit it. but We change. South Africa stopped apartheid, the United States stopped it's apartheid and mistreatment of blacks. We don't deny the sins of the past. This slavery is part of our history and happened despite the teachings of Jesus in Christianity.

Slavery still happens in the Pan-Islamic world and is supported by the commands of allah. The ummah can never change and will always have slavery. allah commands it.

Those black men in the west don't fully realize what the Ummah have done to them, beginning of course with Mohammed, a slave owner himself and a person who said derogatory things about black African people. It all begins with The Great Example for men in All Times and Places ....

You talk about slavery in islam, ok first we have to treat our slaves like we ourselves expect to be treated, eg, we dont lie them down in a ship for 4 months, with only a couple of inches of air above them. slaves must be treated properly, given food, clothed and have a place to reside.
Now tell me how many homeless people are there in the USA or in anypart of the world for that matter, how many people are living without the basics, and how many of them as a result turn to crime. Now thats not a slur on the west, coz its a numbers game and not every1 can earn their keep, so whats wrong with giving these people food, clothes, accommodation ect, in return for their labour ect. and above all else they gain a sense of belonging and affiliation

ive repeated it once more, please comment u all use the slavery things to show that islam is evil, contrast how u did it and how we do it, and bearing in mind the social factors ive stated above, please make unbiased reply

I also had a short term relationship with a really hot Saudi girl. This girl actually appeared quite religious on the surface, as she wore a hijab and was a member of a muslim student orginization, but let me tell you, after a couple of shots of schnopps, she was a whole different person. After one such incident, I found out to my suprise, and delight, that she was quite an animal in bed.

ABU, i dont use non-muslims girls to feel woow im getting one over the west. in fact without alchool i find that many non-muslim girls are attracted to me, i dont respond to avoid sin, but i notice how the attention i receive from white females bothers white men.

salahudin: here is the core of my statement

the United States stopped it's apartheid and mistreatment of blacks. We don't deny the sins of the past. This slavery is part of our history and happened despite the teachings of Jesus in Christianity.

Slavery still happens in the Pan-Islamic world and is supported by the commands of allah. The ummah can never change and will always have slavery. allah commands it.

In reference to slavery salad the simple fact of the matter is that slavery is not practiced in the west anymore where as it is still common practice in the umma.

Your lame equivalence arguments comparing Islam to what we did in the past are just facile. The simple facts are the West evolved and continues to evolve, Islam remains stuck in the 7th century.

Now answer the why pederasts are so common in the Islamic world.

Sam / Saladuhin / lionheart / take-your-pick-this-week:

Davis said his research into the treatment of these (White) slaves suggests that, for most of them, their lives were every bit as difficult as that of slaves in America.

“As far as daily living conditions, the Mediterranean slaves certainly didn’t have it better,” he said.

While African slaves did grueling labor on sugar and cotton plantations in the Americas, European Christian slaves were often worked just as hard and as lethally – in quarries, in heavy construction, and above all rowing the corsair galleys themselves.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm

a_palgue_on_both_houses so u prefere a sytems where people are homeless, starve and resort to crime?

Salahudin... are you talking about Iran? if you are please include 'people trafficking' and prostitution...

Slavery which began in the 17th Century with the European slave trade to the new found North American colonies and which was abolished in the United States by Americans in 1865 vs. the sill practiced muslim slavery of men who keep Indonesian muslim house maids as 'slaves' so they can koranically rape them against their will?

Contrast those two kinds of slavery?

OK..one no longer exists, and the other is still very much practiced and is endorsed by islam.

km, basically, to summarize, most of the muslims I have met are kind, decent, fun loving people, but the sad fact is that none of these good people were very "good" muslims according to islamic standards.

Salahudin - yes I do prefer the US system to any system ruled by shari'a.

Shari'a doesn't stop social disease like homeless, starve and resort to crime...

Want to see some criminals? Go to some of the hangings and choppings on Fridays in Saudi or Iran. they don't run out of criminals after 27 years of Shi'a utopia in Iran.

I still have both hands and feet and i have freedom of conscience, freedom of expression and freedom to pursue happiness. I'll take that system with it's imperfections over Submission and Shari'a and all of it's imperfections.

km, basically, to summarize, most of the muslims I have met are kind, decent, fun loving people, but the sad fact is that none of these good people were very "good" muslims according to islamic standards.
Posted by: Abu Allah [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 03:34 PM

I would say I have met some fun loving people who come from the Umma but I wouldnt really classify them as Muslim. Devout Muslims of which I have met many and lived amongst tended to be IMHO close minded, fascist and filled with hate for all things non Islamic.

I always use this analogy, I am sure there were good, kind German people during Hitlers time, however that didn't stop us from waging total war on those people to erradicate the world from the evil ideology of Nazism.

The same applies to Muslims, I am sure if I was to meet salad I would find him initially to be a decent person, however behind that facade lies support for one of the most evil ideologies man has yet to think up. It is for this reason that he should be treated as an enemy combatant until he renounces his allegience to the umma.

I guess salad is trying to think of a new topic to direct attantion away from the failings of Islam, now we have discredited his slavery argument.

km, we should start a pool as to what his next unrelated topic shift will be. I put $5 on Vietnam. My second choice would be on the "genocide" of 500 million 'red' Indians by European Christian Extremists.

I want to put money on Wild Slutty Womens.

LOL:-)

Naseem, assyougottalickem. More lies from our resident little Muslim dog.
"Even wanting sharia is not anti-western."
Yes, it is. Modern Western government is defined by the seperation of religion and government. Sharia is Theocracy, where religion and government are derived from the same source and are inseperable.

Um - I think Sal's into "girls", not women; not even the wild, slutty kind. Sal sounds like a pedophile, just like his her, Mo, the Puppet-Prophet. So I don't think Sal could handle a REAL woman.

Sorry stud!

"his hero"

god bless those wild, slutty womens of the free world. Now there's a cause to fight for! =)

Looks like APOBH wins the topic shift wager.

You gotta fight for your right to party (with wild slutty womens).

Naseem,

Whose side are you on?

http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGASA130062006
Bangladesh: 22 Ahmadi families in danger

"Unrequited Love Alert"---surely this can be applied to your apologetics for mainstream Islam?

I have a strong suspicion that one of the main reasons that 'Public opinion in Britain is mostly favourable towards Muslims' is simply that the BBC avoids the description of 'Muslim' whenever possible. Instead they refer to 'asian' terrorists.
When BBC Radio 4 reported on the Beslan anniversary recently, they managed to do so without mentioning the word 'Muslim' once.
However, the word is spreading, if slowly.

Posted by: Gary at June 23, 2006 03:31 PM

Gary,

Good link. Thanks.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm

Well people like me are doing our best to wake up Britain. Problem is that the political class have really screwed it up, but we are getting at it, bit by bit. The only problem is that the longer one leaves it the more violent it will be...

You talk about slavery in islam, ok first we have to treat our slaves like we ourselves expect to be treated

So in the "happy world of Islam", slaves and non-slaves are equal? I.e. there's no difference between the two? Tell us, then, would it bother you to be an Islamic slave? Are Islamic slaves happy to be slaves, or would they rather be free?

A_Plague_on_Both_Houses already mentioned that slavery in the USA was a bad thing and discarded long ago as such, but salhudin doesn't seem to think slavery is bad, as long as it's "done right".

Now tell me how many homeless people are there in the USA or in anypart of the world for that matter, how many people are living without the basics, and how many of them as a result turn to crime

Trying to prove the USA is a Allah-less "sad sack", eh? Fine, I'd venture a guess and say there are a heckuva lot more homeless in Pakistan, Indonesia, and Iran today (thanks to recent Allah-willed earthquakes and tsunamis) than there are homeless in the USA today. Some report the homeless population of one of the biggest USA cities, Los Angeles, homeless population at under 100,000....while NW Pakistan, I hear, was over 3.5 million homeless after the Oct 2005 earthquake (and that's not counting Karachi). Now, whether any of this results in "higher crime" is anyone's guess, as I doubt that the devastated local police precincts there have the resources to tally local crime statistics accurately (never mind if they're able to police effectively at all, amidst the chaos).

Gary, just read your link. I don't think we will be hearing much more about this research, as it dosn't fit the PC agenda, and the delicate, delicate feelings of muslims might be offended.

Keep on keeping on Daffersd. We know people like you are out there, and in larger numbers than your pinhead leaders and media elite want to admit.

Europe is in need of a genuine revolution akin to the kind America had which put The People on top.

It's all related. KILL your supra-sovereign nightmare EU. Reject the sovereignty stealing Euro. KILL ideas like the supra-sovereign World Court. Repudiate the feckless European addiction to the corrupt UN. And above all -- MURDER the leftist project of MultiCulturalism!

These things have all grievously harmed your cultural immune system, and laid you bare to the opportunistic infection of Islam (and other calamities too). It's time for Europeans to rise up and make your voices heard! Write to your media. Speak on TV. Start your own similar blogs to JihadWatch. ACT! Clearly this is a calamity which Americans can't help you directly with. Europeans are on your own to fix your domestic "Muslim Menace." We're glad for the lessons we can learn from your calamitous mistakes!

allah showers the infidels with more and better gifts than he does his slaves.

allah allows more infidels to live after his wrathful hurricanes, tsunamis and earthquakes than he does his slaves. Slaves die at better than 1000:1 ratio most times even in the most Islamic places, like Iran and Pakistan for instance....

allah awards punishment and poverty to his slaves and bestows many good things, longer lives and fewer disaster deaths on the infidel.

allah is compassionate to the infidel and stern with the believer. Mohammed got it backwards... the proof is out there every day.

I have a strong suspicion that one of the main reasons that 'Public opinion in Britain is mostly favourable towards Muslims' is simply that the BBC avoids the description of 'Muslim' whenever possible.

Posted by: Aardvark [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 04:53 PM

Very good point Aardvark, Al-Beep are complicit in the spread of dawa and the Jihad.

I check the BBC out everyday and here is an example of their Muslim bias, yesterday they failed to report on the WMD find in Iraq and instead decided to show gun camera footage from an Israeli helicopter taking out Pali terrorists and claiming that Israel is hitting large numbers of innocents while the jihadists are hiding amongst them.

When the hot war starts in Europe those working for the BBC will be the first ones hanging from the lamp posts.

The BBC make me ashamed to call myself British.

Once again the sheep blindly following the sheperd(really a wolf) bush, where is your evidence that Iran is involved in people trafficing, and where do most people tarfficed end up? ill answer that they end up in usa and western europe, supply and demand. even if there is a flow of trafficing going from or through Iran, its not government sanctioned, unlike cocaine and the american government

The British didn't learn from their experience with the Nazis (before WW2) that fascist thugs who despise you and everything you stand for are unworthy objects of affection. Further, it is dangerous to your long term survival to even offer it to them.

Britain did learn from the experiences of WWII. Also we have learned from WWI and the Boer war. From the wars with France and Spain. We learnt how to fight a war from a little island.

Today the BBC and the Labour government go to great pains to persuade us that all is well in the Muslim community. Of course if they gave us a target to hate then we could fight them on the beaches and the landing grounds. "we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be". The words of our greatest leader.

Blair is not the greatest leader this country as seen by a long way indeed. His fixation with a lasting legacy is telling. The man wants to be remembered by history for saving Africa or even leading Britain in the most far reaching march to modern communism seen in the 21st century.

His reluctance to leave office until he as rebuilt Britain in his own image is nothing short of vindication for Lord Actons truism:

'Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely'.

So under Blair and Brown. The first dual primacy in modern British history. Immigration is by all accounts being ignored. Personally I have gained entry to the UK from Holland without any identification, simply because I looked and sounded English.

The idea that accepting anybody from a war ravaged third world country and expecting them to integrate seamlessly into British society is frankly naive.

Violent crime is on the up. The British police released an FBI style most wanted list. The Sun newspaper printed that list with pictures and guess what? Most were foriegn. If you get off a plane from Somalia can anybody expect you to buy a bungalow and grow your own garden?

So this is the problem. The majority of Brits have serious misgivings about the Muslim community. As they say:

'Not every Muslim is a terrorist but the terrorists are mainly Muslim'.

If the Muslim community wishes to peacefully coexist with the people who have given them an home away from their native lands then it is also their responsability to help crush Islamic extremism.

The ball is in their court.

If they choose to remain silent then after every fresh attack the British people will become more galvanised in their opposition. The Muslim community is playing the dangerous game here.

If the Muslim majority continue to keep quiet as more Muslim bombs explode then Blair and the Muslim community might find themselves associated with the problem and ultimately the answer.

Anybody who believes the people of Britain are going to role over and allow terror to dictate our society because the MSM says it will be so, is deluded.

"The British didn't learn from their experience with the Nazis (before WW2) that fascist thugs who despise you and everything you stand for are unworthy objects of affection. Further, it is dangerous to your long term survival to even offer it to them."
Scaramouoche, it is an excellent observation. The British have not been brutalised since WWI (and even then it did not affect the civil population). The lack of direct danger to their lives, the atrocities they have been spared during WWII (never even try to compare i.e. the war in the East of Europe with the "luxurious" conditions the Westerners (with the exception of Jews) "enjoyed" under Nazi occupation) have somehow put their survival instincts into sleep, have blunted their ability to recogbnize evil and react promptly. The ideal of the English gentleman has not died. A beautiful and endangered species!

Ohhh yes timothy Mcveigh was a muslim, as were the IRA, as are ETA, next your going to be labelling the US army as Muslim.

Why is it that countless british service men are leaving the war, because they dont want to fight america's war, and out of disgust at the behavioUr of american soldiers, as one said they behaved like Nazi's

I would like to hear from the mealy mouthed Muslim Council of Britain why their peaceful compatriots are so hateful of the country that welcomed them and supported their leeching existence. Remember they didn't have to come here.

I would also like to thank the publishers for revealing how much resentment the Islamic community shows for its host country. Can we now put that idiotic phrase ISLAMOPHOBIA to bed now? Disdain for Islam is now absolutely valid.

For the majority of UK citizens that have some - self loathing whitey guilt complex - affinity for their Muslim neighbours...hello, they are obviously not reciprocating. To you ...wake up you thought-lazy idiots!

"A significant majority viewed western populations as selfish, arrogant, greedy and immoral. Just over half said westerners were violent. While the overwhelming majority of European Muslims said westerners were respectful of women, fewer than half British Muslims agreed."
Why then don't they get the hell out of here?! Nobody forces them to put up with all these Westren abominations!

'The British have not been brutalised since WWI (and even then it did not affect the civil population)'.

My family have lost a man called Samuel White who died in the trenches in France. My dads best friend was a polish soldier who fought his war from Britain after his home was invaded. My eldest brothers friend was a Royal Marine in the Flaklands conflict.

Who says we don't know what brutalisation is? You?

Why is it that countless british service men are leaving the war, because they dont want to fight america's war, and out of disgust at the behavioUr of american soldiers, as one said they behaved like Nazi's

Posted by: salahudin [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 05:50 PM

Thats a big statement salad wheres your proof?

Salahudin, why do you persist in bringing up slavery. Are you so ignorant that you do not comprehend that the biggest moneymen in the world behind continued slavery are MUSLIM elites!

Slavery was stamped out in the United States of America in the bloodiest civil war in human history!!

So, go ask those blue-eyed Eastern European girls what they are doing in that Saudi shieks harem, and get back to me. The United States has nothing further to answer for when it comes to slavery. The price in blood was more than enough, and it even cost us a U.S. President of undeniable brilliance and character (i.e. Lincoln).

Sometimes talk is so cheap. I wish I was 21 again. I'd go enlist and work on my sniper skills.

These British servicemen are not leaving.

salahudin is using a story Al-BBCeera tried to push that the MOD quashed.

Notice that the story died in a few days when the pride of the BBC would of chased it like a rabid Gilligan if there was a grain of truth in it.

Salahudin is just tossing around jumbled snippets that he can't even keep track of. It was a U.S. congressman of ill-repute that recently called some American Marines and 1 sailor "nazis". They are the men being held at Pendleton, and last time I checked, they are innocent until proven guilty.

The fact that the only witnesses against them are Muslim Iraqis makes me think that they should be released immediately and bought a round of beers, but I'll wait for the legal system to work things out. So far, however, they have not been given the proper treatment and the rush to judgement by the media and even our President is one more black mark on the record of the U.S.A. We send BOYS to go fight a war, and then we so easily turn around and want to throw their lives away in a courtroom. It's garbage.

La Frontera:
"Many of Britain's Muslims live in working class areas of England's northern cities.These are the most depressing parts of what are otherwise ugly, dreary cities. Anyone would have a negative view of the world if they had to live there."

"Erm, bullshit.(...)"

Posted by: QueeQueeg at June 23, 2006 11:39 AM
Spot on, QueeQueeg! Poor endlessly whining "victimized" Muslims with over 50% unemployment rates among 25+ year-olds! Out of their own damn choice! I cannot think of another country in the whole world that would facilitate education, give every child equal access to (crappy but still) education! And this goes to such absurdity as lavishing 30 quid a week in state pocket monety to almost any child between the age of 16 and 18 just to encourage then to stay at school! And this comes from the tax money which I sweat to produce every bloody day from 8 a.m. till 4 p.m.! La Frontera - please give me a break!!!! By the way, I am also an immigrant, but I have never claimed a single penny of the British state!

Granny I cant get the link to work.

EERRRR, forehammer, there was a british servicman who went to jail for 8months for refusing to continue his service in iraq, he said the americans were behaving like NAZIS and that didnt want to be part of their oppression, thats a true brave british man, went to jail instead of taking the easy option of fighting an illegal war

Attempts to tarbrush the entire U.S. military because of the actions of a milli-fraction of a minority are as old as Vietnam. They only work on the weak-minded and the enemy, so that explains why so many Dhimmicrats and cut & paste tomato-tossers like Salahudin eat it up.

Since when is sitting in a nice comfy jail cell harder than having to drive in the streets of Iraq where you can die to an improvised landmine at just about any turn?

You've got a salt-lick between your ears, Salahudin.

Many of Britain's Muslims live in working class areas of England's northern cities.These are the most depressing parts of what are otherwise ugly, dreary cities. Anyone would have a negative view of the world if they had to live there."

Dickhead.

I live near Preston and Blackburn. Bradford and Leeds are pretty close once you have got through Manchester.

I'm sat in my kitchen with miles of uninterrupted countryside to view out of my window. Its mainly green fields with brooks and country walks. I am ten miles from Blackburn which sits in a valley next to a great expanse of fell land reaching across the pennines.

Mert, I am Polish, body and soul. Do you know how many Poles were murdered in WWII?????? No? Six millions! Three out of them were Polish Jews. We were second on the death row after Jews. Every day executed in street round-ups, 200,000 cilivilans slaughtered in the Warsaw Uprising! In September 1944 47,000 of civilians were murdered by Germans in ONE day only! It was during the Warsaw Uprising. And who betrayed us before and after the war??? Shall I prompt your memory? Their names were Chamberlain, Deladier and yes, your hero Winston Churchill! You sold us, your allies, those who were dying in the Battle of Britain (inflicting 11% of the German losses), in Arnhem, at Monte Cassino, at Narvik, at Ancona, in Tobruk...Only to be sold to the Soviets at Potsdam, in Yalta, in Teheran. Please do not insult me!

What I'd like to know is how so many Brits have become sympathetic to Islam, have converted to it, or are predisposed to appease it or praise it?

It's obviously been too many decades since the stories of British soldiers killing themselves, rather than be caught by the Ottoman Turks, circulated around campfires.

You know why the killed themselves rather than face capture don't you? Don't make me spell it out.

Any way im off to the night club, gona go get drunk, sleep with a woman ive never met, catch ghonorea, produce a bastard child and than get arrested for being drunk and disorderly

What I'd like to know is how so many Brits have become sympathetic to Islam, have converted to it, or are predisposed to appease it or praise it?

Way too many thats for sure!

Polish infideless,

You talk of betrayal as though you was there. I wonder if Poland would have faired better if Britain and ultimatley America had took no interest in defeating the Nazis?

Stan Schilata (Excuse the spelling) was a pole who actually liked the British enough to live here after we'd helped to defeat the germans. He did drink in the Polish servicemans club until he died not long ago. (Mst towns have a Polish club).

Funny how a man who fought the war chose to make this his home when people like you would try to delete his thoughts on the matter in favour of the hatred for other nations that you condemn so vehemtly.

Salahudin just took an obvious dig at non-Muslim Brits. I guess he's been busy posting bumper stickers on telephone poles in London.

http://www.foehammer.net/2006/06/eurabia-in-action.html

Any way im off to the night club, gona go get drunk, sleep with a woman ive never met, catch ghonorea, produce a bastard child and than get arrested for being drunk and disorderly. says salahudin.

Lets turn this round then.

Any way im off to the Mosque, gonna go an learn why i'm the best in the world and everybody else should pay me for being alive. I've got a number of wives but they do say wives are for babies and men are for...

Theres no chance of me producing a bastard child amongst my five wives because simply anything I do is sanctioned by Allah because a Cleric says it is so.

Hopefully after a night of celebration I wont be arrested for trying to take over the world.

Slight technical hitch there km.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm?blog_id=656
Try this. And direct to the original report.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2233426,00.html

Mert, I am sorry, but you have no idea about Polish history! Do you REALLY believe that the Polish servicemen (who were NOT EVEN invited to the Victory Parade after the war - the Allies did not want to...(where do you know this form?) to offend Stalin's sensitivities) WANTED to stay in Britain??????? They could not go back to Poland!!! It was under Communist regime, which considered anybody coming back from the Western front as a spy, a traitor, and subsequently ...put on trail and executed under made-up accusation! Please educate yourself on history before you make such ridiculous statements. My grandfather was in the Resistance during WWII, always on the run, caught by Gestapo, survived only because they realised too late who he was. After the war jailed and sentenced to death (as he did not fight on the "correct" side" - that is the pro-Soviet guerilla), after 7 years of hard labour released only because Uncle Joe was so kind to give his last "precious" breath! My grandad was lucky! Thousands others were not. And all this because he fought for FREE Poland! My mum would not have got a place at the university if she had not lied about her own dad! She had to conceal the fact that he was in the Home Army! My na's brother died in Germany as a slave labourer. Every Polish family was affected by the war! You simply have no idea!!!!!

Any way im off to the night club, gona go get drunk, sleep with a woman ive never met, catch ghonorea, produce a bastard child and than get arrested for being drunk and disorderly

Posted by: salahudin [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 06:27 PM

Thats the spirit salad throw off the shackles of Islamic bondage and join the real world, think of all those 'wild slutty womens' you can have.

Polish you infer that Britain is so bad but you forget that Britain didn't invade your country.

If you would prefer that the west didnt paly a part in your countries history during WW2 then you are welcome to say.

I just wonder how and who went about this poll (?) How many people were in the survey ? (10?) and Where ? Inside a university socialist club meeting ?
How was the question phrased ? eg " Are you a tolerant person or are you a horrible fascist-islamophobe ?" ( subtext)

Did they sent pairs of pretty young females asking males to answer with the gushing enthusiasm of "we're so multicult- tolerant ,aren't we " inference ?

Note Ditto pairs of hunky young males asking women to answer- it works both ways.

Also people may not wish to let their true opinion show in public. Its hardly confidential. It could be a muslim front and the "surveyors" could turn on you or find your house at a later date. I for one would be wary to vent my true feelings if approached by a total stranger in a public place. Its like being asked " who did you vote for in the last election ? "
or " how much do you earn ? "

Mert, you have forgotten the origin of our exchange. My claim was that the experience of the British during WWII bears no resemblance to what we as Poles were subjected to. Do you expect me as a Pole to be grateful to your country for your loyalty (and sticking to our treaties!) to us? Sorry - no way! It should be th eother way round and thankfully Tony Blair has realised that and expressed a sort of apology - better 60 years after the war than never. I accept it in the name of all the Poles (Jews and non-Jews) who lost their lives because of the Western betrayal. And I do appreciate it.
Mind you, do not forget about the aftermath of this betrayal - 60 bloody years under Communist regime. And yes, I am a Solidaruty child (i was there, fought there so I know it from my own experience).
If you want to lear about ...just a fragment from the history I am talking about, please go here:

http://www.warsawuprising.com/

Good night!

http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/meeting/polish.html

Here is a group of Poles happy to live in Britain.

A mohammedan trolls agit-prop:

"..Why is it that countless british service men are leaving the war, because they dont want to fight america's war, and out of disgust at the behavioUr of american soldiers, as one said they behaved like Nazi's..."

Posted by: salahudin

If Americans in Iraq behaved like Nazis there would be no 'resistance' or 'insurgents'... Neither would there be any mosques left standing.

All Mohammedan adult males would be in concentration camps...

I could tell you more, but you know the rest already...

My point is we need to live together and fight against the threat we all face from Denmark to Malta.

If you enjoy Britain bashing thats fine from your sixty year old perspective, but when it comes to fighting Islam you are wasting my time.

If you don't like Britain from an historical point of view then so be it. Your not alone.

But if you want to not live under a caliphate then you should start thinking in the here and now.

Britain did not destroy your counrty whether you believe that or not.

Rhere was a british servicman who went to jail for 8months for refusing to continue his service in iraq, he said the americans were behaving like NAZIS and that didnt want to be part of their oppression, thats a true brave british man, went to jail instead of taking the easy option of fighting an illegal war
Posted by: salahudin at June 23, 2006 06:16 PM
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War is hell and many more mos will get to meet God before the go to hell before this one is over.

Im sure the press could find a serviceman who got abducted by aliens if they decided to look.

Hey, Mert, wanna know how the West betrayed Poland? Here are some clues:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

seeing as Britain entered the war in response to the attack on Poland. Whether the end goal was British stability or not. The gaurded hatred you show towards Britain for choices made in the midst of a global melt down where powers where ranged against each other in terrible numbers is truly sad.

By trying to educate me in your view of the world you are no better than those who wish to dominate us.

Britain did not give you communism. Russia did. And i would like to know what the men who died trying to save your country from Nazism would think of you calling them traitors to your percieved cause.

last thought. If Poland was so against us bastards from England then why was it a cooperation between the British and Polish finally led to the breaking of the Enigma code?

You should return to your cave with the other Trolls.

Where is Geoff when we need him? ia786 is back and Geoff would deal him misery.

All true muslims are against freedom, the west, America, Christanity, Judaism and the peaceful religions only the British muslims are just more vocal about their hatred.

Since british popular culture is into pubs, football, clubbing, popular music, TV, cars, the sexes mixing at parties etc. there's no need for the Muslims to self segregate - they are non-starters at fitting in. Apparently the hostels for the homeless in and around Bradford have increased their intake by 1000% in recent years, filling with third generation Muslim young who, unable to take the drabness of the culture anymore, have rebelled and been ejected and disowned by their families.

salad-dressing has the Islamo-pology Playbook [copyright OBL, 1990] in front of him and can produce a theoretical tit-for-tat "answer" to any objection to Islam's carnage by feeding in the proper words.

For example, when one argues:

"Islamic hordes slaughtered scores of millions of innocent people throughout their 1350 year long reign of Terror across the Middle East, North Africa, southern Europe, Southest Asia, India and the islands of Indonesia/Malaysia, -depredations essentially indistinguishable from the jihadists' murder of nearly 200 children and a hundred adults, in Beslan, Russia."

-then this kind of pseudo-moral-equivalency "reply" pops out:

"Remind infidel dogs that Christian invaders killed Red Indians".

As if past crimes by one group- (which stopped committing such crimes, apologized, returned to the American Indians their sovereignty in many "Tribal Lands", and pay reparations, to this day, in dozens of forms)- excuse present ones by another group (Islam, which makes no excuses and never apologizes for its theft of once-Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, Taoist, animist and pagan lands and the annihilation of anyone who opposed their theo-imperialistic conquest).

Mohammedism is a mind-death cult whcih preaches slavery ["submission'] to one warlord pedophile's concept of a hate-filled "deity" [Allah].

I'll take freedom.

Islam is lame.

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For some info on "Native American sovereignty", salad-bowl, check out:

http://www.airpi.org/pubs/indinsov.html

Hello Naseem

Being civil as always I see. Naseem, would you please be so kind as to answer a few questions that I've been wondering about.

1. What, exactly is a 'Wuslim'?

2. The Koran says that in Heaven a man has 72 (self-replentishing?) virgins to pleasure him. What do the virgins get? They get to have their hymen painfully ripped over and over? Seems like a pretty harsh deal.

3. Have you ever read any part of the Christian Bible?

Polish infideless,
I read about Poland, Czecoslovakia, and Yugoslavia during WW II around 10 years back, and therefore have forgotten most of the details. I do retain the feeling that these people had the roughest time during the War and even after it under communist rule.

Jamsler -

A wuslim is a Western muslim. Sounds like one of Naseem's originals.

Not sure how she'll answer your other questions. Good luck getting an answer from her, she generally avoids mine too.

Good show to Melanie Phillips, She did a great job articulating the main points of the argument. She was composed, brilliant and explained it in the right way.

I will go out and add my support by buying your book!

Great job, we are lucky to count you as one of the free voices for the defence of the west.

Apparently Mo kept quiet about what awaited Muslim women in paradise for fear of impugning their modesty and exciting the jealousy of their husbands.

Naseem will, of course, be supplied with 72 hunky males (not virgins - these guys will know what they're doing)and it will be as though they have permanently overdosed on viagra. Also, just in case, there will be two young girls in attendance.

Mert and Infideless

Easy. This should by now be water under the bridge (or over the Chunnel, as the case may be).

wallyUK

If Naseem gets 72 male virgins, particularly Mohammedan virgins, she's going to need the help of 5,183 Wild Slutty Womens to preserve her sanity, if not her chastity.

Naseem and chastity. Naseem and chastity. What a beautiful thought.

Remember to show Salad this next time he goes on about the depravity of the West...

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\BBC NEWS South Asia Madrassas hit by sex abuse claims.htm

Has anyone got a photo of the mullah kissing the boy in front of a group of other schoolboys ?

3. Have you ever read any part of the Christian Bible? Posted by: jamsler

Naseem's answer to you on this one would probably be, "Who needs the Bible when you have the Quran?"

PAS

Why are you showing a path to your C:\ drive?

This is what you get for saving moslems from the horror of islam.
They have a refuge here that gives them free speech, womens rights, education freedom from the darkness of islam.
And still the media uses that all embracing word "ASIAN".
When the bombs went off in London last year my mother who is a typical Indian house wife described the attacks as "murdering your own mother"

Anyway here is an interesting piece from the Times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2240635,00.html

To those who took offence at my description of Northern English towns,please accept my apology I was being slightly tongue in cheek.
I am fully aware of the urban developement that has taken place over the last two decades and particularly that of Manchester.
I have visited the Lake District, the Yorkshire Dales etc. so I know that Northern England has some of the most glorious landscapes that I have seen (weather permitting).
But all the culture,art,music and fine restaurants as well as the rural scenery are completely lost on some elements of society.Namely those who prefer a night on the piss, over a play and good meal and a large section of the muslim population, who have no interest in the local culture of any sort and remain self-segregated living off the state.
I am not in any way suggesting that muslims are being victimised.The fact that this survey shows that Britons have a more positive view of muslims,illustrates the openness and tolerance of British society and this is borne out by the reality that most immigrants to Britain work hard, generaly improve their lives and contribute to the host society.
Muslims are different, but all immigrants get tarred with the same brush. Therefore identify the problem as islam and muslim immigration, not immigration in general,then inform the populace.
The politicians will get the picture soon after and the problem can begin to be addressed.
Now lets get back to countering the jihad.

The Quran says nothing about 72 virgins, it says maids of modest gaze with beautiful eyes,

koran: [52.24] And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls.

Not 72 virgins. Lithe young hairless boys, as per Muslim and especially Arab preferences for debauchery.

The hypocrisy of Islam and Muslims knows no bounds: They will go to heaven for the basest of carnal pleasures: gluttony and gonadism (and especially for the men: homosexual orgiastic pleasures...) Yet these are the same things the salardines would decry here on earth.

Muslim filth, begone! Wash away like one of those icky semen stains on the senile muhammad's robes Aisha used to wretch about:

Among 9 year old Aisha's earliest duties as Muhammad's wife (when he was nearly 60) was the task of washing semen stains off his clothes: "Aisha narrated: I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them."

Here are other examples:

Sahih Bukhari:

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:
Narrated 'Aisha:

I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:

I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:
Narrated 'Aisha:

I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).

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That's your filth stained "religion", salahudine -- one fixated on human excreta, scabs, hairs, semen, urine and feces -- one obsessed with carnality and sexual exploits with little girls and little boys. Not spirituality. Never was.

Islam is idolotry. Islam is filth. Islam is insanity. Islam is the worship of carnality, bestiality, thievery, rape, murder, mayhem, terror, and filth.

MY RESPONSE FROM THE OTHER TOPIC BOARD

i have already refuted these allegations on a previous topic board, upto 100 years ago the age of concent in the usa was 10, and seven in some parts, making no distinction between whether the child had reached sexual maturity, or not as the case often was. 1400 years ago the prophet(saw) waited untill aisha had reached sexual maturity before consumating his marriage with her.
why have these allegations of pedophillia been restricted to the 20 and 21st century, please explain, is because molesting PRE-PUBESCENT was not only common practice but also lawful(with the exception of islam) untill 100 years ago? and the prophet was the first to outlaw sexual activities with PRE-PUBESCENT girls!!!!!
make all your answers exclusive of bias, ignorance, arrogance and inclusive of logic and understanding

But it's YOUR filth stained religion we're discussing here, saludin, not lies or conflations about the "age of consent" in the ancient history of the West.

Muhammad, the perfect man, went about with dried up semen encrusted robes -- and made a hapless 9 year old girl go about desperately attempting to wash them off.

The depravity of a 60 year old smelly beast behaving so apparently eludes dimwitted Muslim swine like yourself. But this will be the downfall of your idolatry.

Gradually the satanic nature of your so-called "religion" is coming to light. The endless fascination with defecation, and semen, and urine, and fingernails and the clipping of them, and what to do with hair, where to clip it, where not to clip it -- in general all of the insanities and prurient exhalations of Muhammad -- the insane illiterate desert vagabond wallowing in his own filth, ejecta, and dried bodily fluids --

Sane persons are revolted. Modern persons are revolted.

Yet these things, along with the sybaritic promise of carnality in the afterlife constitute your sloughing scab of a "religion". Once one becomes aware of the sewage underlying Islam's basis, one can understand why the entire Muslim world resembles a fecal-stained bung-hole. It couldn't be any other way.

Sal -

Why does Allah consider it a sin to sleep around here on earth, but in heaven Allah allows men to have, and I quote: "maids of modest gaze with beautiful eyes".

So how many "maids" are there waiting for you in heaven, Sal? 80? 100? And don't you see the moral contradiction with this so called "promise"? Why is fornication a sin here on earth, but condoned in heaven? Does this make sense to you? Does this make sense to anyone? Of course not! That's because it's a LIE, propagated by liar-in-chief, Mohammad himself.

if fornication was a sin,than islam would have died a long time ago, why is sex outside marriage forbiddon, well lets ask the psychologist about single parent children, or sexual diseases, or the type of society which arises when its people are promiscous

I'm confused -- I thought that the Quran considered sex outside of marriage a sin -- are you saying that it doesn't?

I'm confused -- I thought that the Quran considered sex outside of marriage a sin -- are you saying that it doesn't?

Champ

Round and Round we go, where it stops who knows-I'll take $3000 on red 23.

Huh?

Sal,

It was curious to hear about your asskicking on another thread. Word of advice son,you outta put down that Quran and pick up "The Art of War"- Sun Tzu. If you nailed a guy while twenty of his buds were gathered around, you are in need of a crash course in strategy.

Champ,

Just a reference to our friend's recent topical and logical inconsistencies.

G.C, Scott, Art of war, not a bad book, well heres something from the muslim ideology if your gona go down, u migh aswell go down swinging,(no i dont mean helping yourself to each others wives)

Sahih Bukhari:

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:
Narrated 'Aisha:

I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:

I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:
Narrated 'Aisha:

I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).

sal,

I have some questions for you, being as your an admitted member of the "religon of peace". Give us Infidels some of muhammed's 'wisdom'. Show us the way.....

What are your feelings about osama bin laden? Were you one of the ones who was cheering when our towers came down? How would you react if you found that your daughter was pregnant with some kafir baby? Do you beat your wife(s)? Do you feel that it's OK to have sex with a nine year old? How about an eleven year old?

shoot us some wisdom, sal

seeing as Britain entered the war in response to the attack on Poland. Whether the end goal was British stability or not. The gaurded hatred you show towards Britain for choices made in the midst of a global melt down where powers where ranged against each other in terrible numbers is truly sad.

By trying to educate me in your view of the world you are no better than those who wish to dominate us.

Britain did not give you communism. Russia did. And i would like to know what the men who died trying to save your country from Nazism would think of you calling them traitors to your percieved cause.

Posted by: Mert at June 23, 2006 07:38 PM

Mert, so running out of arguments and historical knowledge you start calling me names and insinuating things I have never said? Not a civilised way to conduct a debate!
If I state a fact (i.e. The Westren betrayal of Poland in the wake of WWII) you infer that I hate Britain? NO, I do not. I just want the truth to be admitted? Is that asking too much? For the thousands of Polish pilots who perished defending YOUR country?
Britian did enter the war (as we have a treaty signed with your country before the war), but no action followed! The defenders at Westerplatte, in Warsaw etc. looked at the skied in anticipation of British and French planes. IN vain! And no you are wrong - Britain, France and the USA sold us to oshould go back to school before you start calling me a troll!

Clicked the Post button before cooling down:

Mert, so running out of arguments and historical knowledge you start calling me names and insinuating things I have never said? Not a civilised way to conduct a debate!
If I state a fact (i.e. The Western betrayal of Poland in the wake of WWII) you infer that I hate Britain? NO, I do not. I just want the truth to be admitted. Is that asking too much? For the thousands of Polish pilots who perished defending YOUR country?
Britian did enter the war (as we had a treaty signed with your country before the war), but no action followed! The defenders at Westerplatte, in Warsaw etc. looked at the skies in anticipation of British and French planes. IN vain! And no you are wrong - Britain, France and the USA DID sell us to the Soviets. You should go back to school before you start calling me a troll!

apostate_islam , you are absolutely right! It makes me so furiously angry when Muslim criminals are referred to in the medai as...Asians! If I were a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Taoist, or even an Asian Christian I think I would be tempted to take the papers and Al BBC to court for slender.

Polish infideless

You're no troll. I always appreciate your posts. I watched Poland shake off her oppressors in the '80s. That was very inspiring to me, and I was just a kid in mt 20s. Poland is probably mainland Europe's only hope against the islamists. I salute the proud people of Poland. And.....sorry about all those jokes from the clod war era. I didn't know any better.

dyslexia fun can be.
'cold war'

Jamsler, funny I must be your age :-))), but I do not remember any anti-Polish jokes from the cold war era - hey, the Communist censorship must have been efficient then ;-). I am very happy that so many people on this site (JW/DW) in fact often emphasize the good in us, though we are a nation of many contradictions and one that sadly rates best (i.e. WWII, Solidarity) when "Hannibal ante portas". Once the enemy is fended off, we start quarrelling in the most undignified fashion! As you can see from my previous posts I am a hot-blooded Polish troble-maker. I believe that it takes all our ver versatile national traits to form a unified front against the greatest menace to our common Westren culture - Islam. If we do not hang together, we will hang separately. I am turning into a pompous ....troll so I will stop now and go too bed (after having drunk a fair amount of my religion's holy drink - wine!). My kindest regards and most friendly thoughts!

Polishinfidelness and Mert. You both make me ‘So upset’. I like you, polish girl when you roar. Wish more of the European girls become like you, and those Muslim will stop fooling around. BUT we do not need Europe fighting like cats and dogs on some historic issues….and you know that’s what the enemy want, as Moha-mad said WAR IS DECIET…Break their UNITY and Islam will win. cant you remember why Turks were successful in driving in Europe from the east and the Arabs from the west.Becuse they were fighting with in europe and not see the bigger threat from outise at their front door and BECAUSE the RC Church And the Orthodox Church were squabbling like you two.

The unimaginable Horrors That were inflicted on people of Balkans and Iberian peninsula, especially on the European girls. The one with blue eyes and blond hair were in high demand from these Muslims in their Harems, and they still are in Yemen and other ARAB Countries....could have been avoided if Europeans have shown unity. And had retaliated with IRON FIST.

Dyslexia can be shared as well...like any kind of fun ;-). Forgive my appalling spelling and blame ....the wine!

Helegu max, point taken! And guess what? My car is plastered with stickers? Wonder what they say?

1. PL (I live in the UK)
2. St.George's Cross (it is a real English - hahaha Crusader's Cross festivale here now - the other day I went to a bakery and found ....donughts covered with white icing with a red cross on it! I love this! After all that abuse that the English flags has been subjected to by PC-fascists and Mo's believers!)
3. Danish flag with "Support free speech - buy Danish"
4. Israeli flag with "I love Israel!"

Infidels of all countries unite!

That's lovely. Thanks very much..Keep it up girl.

jamsler i take it your offering me your 2 sisters, thanks but no thanks,
what do i think of bin laden, well before and slightly after 9/11 i believed (like you) beleived in what Bush and the media told me, but after realising the lies and hypocricy i started to think for myself, and my view is this, against the soviet union, he showed great honour and courage, not only to leave a life of luxuary for struggle, but to fight the worlds super power with only farmers(note suicide attacks were not a tactic used against the soviets, so why now?)
thats the only information i can get which is not biased, did he do 9/11, well dont parents usually tell their children the boogey man will get them if they dont behave? eveyone needs a boogey man to control their children

Well, sally

Since I have no sisters, your crude attempt to elicit my anger goes wide of the mark. As I suspected, your disjointed and vapid comments don't even fall in the same area code as answers to my questions. Nevertheless, I can infer ubl is your hero. But like a typical stoat, you wriggle out of any moral responsibility by trying to claim ubl is innocent. Word from his own mouth is that he's responsible for 9/11. Word from your mouth is that your ignorant. And since you considered my rehetorical question to be an offer of young children for your carnal pleasure, that answers my question.

Remember no one ever critized the prophet(saw) about Aisha, for 1300 years, look it up on all the anti islamic quotes and books, they call him everything except for a pedo, why why why

Salahudin you 'Terrorist Sympathising' stupid mutt. Check the link below.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml

Saladroll posted:

""..Remember no one ever critized the prophet(saw) about Aisha, for 1300 years, look it up on all the anti islamic quotes and books, they call him everything except for a pedo, why why why>>

Posted by: salahudin

You won't find an answer in islamic books.

For 1300 years your murdering bastard soldiers of Allah killed everyone who criticized your filthy 'prophet'-perhaps that answers your ,,,whywhywhy...>>>