Somali Jihad Update. "Somali Islamists declare war on 'infidels', tension mounts," from AFP, with thanks to Twostellas:
Islamists holding much of the lawless Somali capital declared war on "infidels", raising fears of new clashes between their militia and a battered US-backed warlord alliance.With the two sides locked in a tense standoff outside the alliance's last remaining stronghold north of the city, and holdout warlords refusing to accept Islamic control of Mogadishu, elders frantically appealed for peace.
Yet the Islamists and members of the Alliance for the Restoration of Peace and Counter-Terrorism (ARPCT) showed no signs of backing down from positions that led to four months of battles in the capital, leaving hundreds dead.
Mogadishu's most senior Muslim cleric, Sheikh Nur Barud, called on Somalis to crush secular resistance to the imposition of Sharia law and to reject warlord efforts to garner support by appealing to clan and tribal loyalties.
"All Somalis must defend the Islamic courts because this is not inter-clan fighting, but war with the infidels," he said in an address aired by local radio stations.
"We are against those who want to make this war appear like inter-clan fighting," Barud said. "This fighting is between those who support Islam, and godless invaders and those who support them."
It is the Partition of India nightmare in Somalia. Can not the civilized world save the innocents of Somalia ? It is almost certain that muslims will kill to the last man in there. As I type this, somewhere in Mogadishu, a lot of innocent infidels are being killed by muslims. Can we not do something ?
Please, oh please, can one bright reporter strike while the iron is hot in Toronto!!
Please, draw a nice straight line with this statement to the statements made by those arrested in Toronto, to the terrorists in London, Madrid,Bali, etc. and explain very clearly what is going on!
There are lots, and lots of mulsims that feel they must blow things up to advance islam, and they get this idea and justification from the koran.
There, now was that so hard !!
Maybe, after doing that we can confront this issue head on instead of the Police Chief in Toronto continually telling people to be calm and not break windows in mosques! That ISN'T where the threat is coming from!
Moose
Are the US backed Warlords different from the Warlords the EU and UN were backing?
It seems a few months ago lots of Warlords were being backed so that a unified government could be formed in the region.
Are there any infidels left in Somalia?
Barud said. "This fighting is between those who support Islam, and godless invaders and those who support them."
Hmmmm...apparently Barud has not been enlightened to the facts by Toronto's police chief, Mr. Blair.
We need to arrange a meeting between the two, to bring Barud up to speed.
Barud said. "This fighting is between those who support Islam, and godless invaders and those who support them."
Hmmmm...apparently Barud has not been enlightened to the facts by Toronto's police chief, Mr. Blair.
We need to arrange a meeting between the two, to bring Barud up to speed.
Sheik,
If they are talking about killing infidels, then there must be a substantial number of them. And they will kill until somalia becomes another afghanistan or pakistan. Here comes a piece of good news. Somali militia, backed by the U.S., prepared for counterattack.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198498,00.html
Must not lose hope. This is not 1947.
I agree with Sheikh - didn't know there were any infidels in Somalia.
My understanding is that Somalia is already about 99% Islamic. If that is true, there cannot be more than a few tens of thousands of non-Muslims left in the place. At this point the Islamic warlords are finishing up a jihad that had been started decades ago (I have been told that over the past thirty or so years hundreds of thousands of Somalis have been massacred by jihadists with little or no press coverage--perhaps Ayaan Hirsi Ali can enlighten the world about the history of Somali's jihad war).
Yet, all this appears to this observer to be water over the bridge. Somalia was lost a long time ago.
To save Somalia's stranded and endangered infidels possibly it would be more expedient to airlift all of them to a neghboring country where there is a far greater constituency of non-Muslims. Otherwise we may be left with yet another regional war raging without end.
Actually, the only infidels left in Somalia are six feet under in a number of Italian cemeteries scattered across that fair land. And if memory serves, the Jihad unfortunately has already been declared on them by smashing tombstones and exhuming long dead soldiers, colonial administrators, and others. Where do they find the time is beyond me?
-spencerd,
They take long lunch breaks from their 9-5 jobs.
Hard workin', industrious, productive mohammedans have to have some fun.
Toronto also has a large self-segragated Somali
Muslims population that has been at the center of many disputes since they cling to Sharia-law , not only did they start demanding Landlords ban dogs from the building because dogs were offensive, a mob of them attacked a Police car when a drug dealer was caught and being put in the car.
The dealer was Somali and Muslim, ironically these same Muslims used Racism to demand more Police presence to get drug pushers out of their area.
Islam has Muslims from around the world that used our Refugee law to get in and it's now obvious that they all have one thing in common.
They hate non-Muslims, they hate Israel and want it destroyed ,and they hate all the things in Canada that allowed them to come here and live off welfare produce little Jihadists to grow up and murder our children.
I am not understanding this use of "infidel" to mean non-Muslims but to refer to Muslims who are not considered fundamentalist enough (by Wahabbi's or other purists).I don't get the impression that these warlord "infidels" are quite the sort of people who warrant our sympathy, as some of the posters above appear to assume. This is simply a realpolitik issue, so to speak - select Bad or Badder.
Robert,
I don't know where you get your news,and why you chose that nasty lies but here is the letter that was sent to the "infidals" as you call it, It does not sound as though theUIC want to have a fight them hmmm. stop being such a Nazi litte jew Robert! shame on you for spending all your time promoting hate and misunderstand among the humanity. After what happen in Germany and the hollucust, no one wants your kinds, hatemonger and I advice you to stay the hell away from Somalis, we are not Arabs who will take your BS and lies, we will rebutt and correct the lies you are spreading about us every time Robert!
ciao
here is the letter:
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GOLAHA SARE EE MAXKAMADAHA ISLAMIGA SOOMAALIYEED
MUQDISHU - SOOMAALIYA
[High Islamic court of Somalia, Mogdishu]
To: United Nations Political Office in Somalia, UNDP Resident Representative, The League of Arab Nations, African Union, Organization of Islamic Countries, IGAD, European Union, Department of State, United States Government, United States Embassy in Nairobi, Italian Embassy, French Embassy, British Embassy, German Embassy, Djibouti Embassy, Norwegian Embassy, Swedish Embassy, South African Embassy, Egyptian Embassy, Nigerian Embassy, Saudi Embassy, Yemen Embassy, Sudan Embassy.
Date: June 5, 2006
The Union of Islamic Courts in Mogadishu, have decided to break the silence between us and the international community. We made this decision in order to clarify the situation in Mogadishu and to bring the true picture of the conflict in the city and present it to the international community.
Background:
The Islamic courts have been established in Mogadishu in mid 1998 and are clan-based that serve their particular communities. For example Polytechnic(for Shabelle sub clan), Ifka Halane (for the Eary Sub-Clan), Yaqshid (for the Harti-Abgal sub clan), Circole (for the Saleban Sub-clan), Milk Factory (Duduble sub-clan), Al-Furqan (Sa’ad sub-clan) Xariryale and Daynile (Murusade clan), Balad (Wabudhan-Abgal Sub-Clan) etc. The main objectives of these courts to provide a minimum security, law and order to the communities that established them. The courts assume these responsibilities out of patriotism and service to our people, country and communities.
The Present Conflict
A Retrospective analysis of why the Somali Federal Government could not locate in the capital city, Mogadishu was due to the “warlord” ministers of the Somali Federal Government who refused to be engaged in the Somali peace process and choose to keep the country hostage. These warlords refused to disarm, surrender their illegal checkpoints and transform to be national leaders.
The present conflict has been fueled by the wrong information given to the US Government by these warlords who have denied their basic human needs for security and development and kept the Somali people hostages and terrorized them for the last 16 years. Their expertise is to terrorize people and they were able to use it and terrorize the American government by misinforming them about the presence of terrorists in Somalia. These warlords are allegedly supported by the American government ignores the long criminal history of these warlords and the war crimes they committed against their own people. The alleged support of the US government to these warlords has considerable contributed to the recent fighting in Mogadishu and the killing of the Somali people who has suffered so long in the hand of these warlords.
Finally, after 16 years, the Somali people have decided to liberate themselves with the leadership of the Islamic court. The present changes were brought by the appraisal and refusal of the Somali people the anarchic situation installed by the warlords and said enough is enough! We would also like to address some of the misinformation and accusations fabricated by the warlords and wish to provide the international communities with accurate information that will assist them to support the desires and the will of our people who wish to be free form violence and anarchy,
International Terrorism:
1) Somalia is a homogenous society, and any outsiders can be spot immediately. We are Muslim 100%, speak the same language and have cultural heritage that is very hard to understand for outsiders. We have a complex clan based system that is not easy for non-Somali to understand, let alone hide in the country. We categorically deny and reject any accusation that we are harboring any terrorists or supporters of terrorism in the areas where the courts operate.
2) We also confirm that our goals and objectives are to establishment law and order in our country and free our people from oppression.
3) We share no objectives, goals or methods with groups that sponsor or support terrorism. We have no foreign elements in our courts, and we are simply here because of the need of the community we serve.
4) We invite the International Community to visit the area where the court operates and see for themselves if there are any terrorists elements being harbored or living in this area. We commit ourselves and our clan elders to this position: to be open and honest in order to spare t he Somali people the violence and the suffering being perpetrated by the warlords. We have nothing to hide from the international community and we strongly believe that, once they realize what we do and what we have achieved, they will support our initiative and efforts to bring peace and stability to Somalia.
5) There is also the accusation that we intend to establish an anti-US and Western government in Somalia. This is not true. Such an agenda is against our objectives and goals since this would contradict our wish for there to be a peaceful Somalia. This falsehood is being fabricated to get support from US Government by groups who have terrorized the people of this country for the last 16 years.
6) We want create an environment that could enable our people to decide their future. We want the Somali people to decide which form of governance they want and choose their leaders for the first time in decades
We would like to summarize our goals and objectives as follows:
1) To establish a system of governance in Mogadishu, and remove all the checkpoints and terror points that the warlords have set up and disarm all criminal elements that endanger the peace in the city;
2) We want to contribute to the rebuilding of our country and create a peaceful environment and a country that is at peace with itself, and with its neighbors and with the international community.
3) To rehabilitate and rebuild all the city infrastructures specially those that belong to the city governments, including its sea ports, airports, road, bridges, schools, hospitals, universities and have committees of the intellectuals running and operating of these facilities;
4) We would like to establish a friendly relationship with the international community that is based on mutual respect and interest and seek their support for the Somali peace process and respect their desire for peace. 5) We seek support for our communities who have been denied all the basic human needs such as security, liberty and development as accepted universally and in accordance to the human rights laws; We thank you in advance for your kind patience, understanding and support.
Sheikh Sherif Sheikh Ahmed
Chairman, Islamic Courts Union
here is the link of for that letter:
http://wardheernews.com/News_06/june_06/06_Letter_Islamic.Courts.html
to the rest of you
Here is another bad news, the warlords, back by US, gave their weopons to the UIC of their clan. looooooooooooool
those who hate us and call us refuge, let us do this, why not deport all the muslims from the muslim national out of your countries, and we closed the boarders to each other, never to deal with one another, you will be safe, we will be safe, no relationship between us what so ever, No poticial, economical or anything whatsoever to go between us.
We can live our side of the fence, comfortable, can you live your side comfortable? think about that because that is were we might be heading soon, if you don't stop calling us terrorist and kidnapping our boys and men.
When you attack Saudi Arabia, then maybe we might buy the terrorist fighting BS you talk about, but as long as you are holding hands with Saudi, bahrain, blah blah Arabs, you have no right to call anyone terrorist, aight! specially poor weak countries like Somalia. Hypocrits!
Just in case someone's interested.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/10781/somalias_terrorist_infestation.html
Yasmin, what a beautiful name you have!
Mind if I ask you from which asylum you are posting?
spencerd:
You have described Somalia as a "fair' land? Is it REALLY?? Or is it the flattest, most featureless, barren, uninspiring tract of territory anywhere on the African continent, if not the planet?
I can scarcely imagine a less attractive parcel of real estate.
Sheikh Sheydaan,
I normally don’t address the unwashed masses, but since you are so smug, I chose to put you in your place. I was born in an American Hospital just like your preacher Rabbi Roberto here, however I chose to be Somali and proud of it. The refuge status you alluded to, mine is temporary, I have a home to go to, name to uphold, people to lead. And that is why I am obligated to watch for the name Somali not to be drag too far into dirty by overzealous preacher man, and to gently remind him he went too far, without breaking the statu quo of the host nation, i.e not addressing too much the unwashed masses.
Let me go back to the refugee you hinted, alas for you, you will always be refugees, hyphened pretender that will not own this land, because of your prejudice and sickness, African- American, Jews-American, Irish-American etc, etc, etc. you will be a refugee nation that snubs the latest and the newest refugee, so unless you are Native don’t talk about refugee, for you will be refugee for eternity. And I will be enjoying the white beaches of Somalia, Somalia a nation its beauty launches a thousand ship. I know who I am, where I came from and what my nation is worth and no one can tell me other wise.
Ciao
End of communication
Sounds like Somalia is well into the third millenia, BC, that is!