If I had written that headline, of course, it would become the springboard for a fresh round of charges of "Islamophobe," but in fact it comes verbatim from the good folks at Al-Ghurabaa (thanks to Warren), the successor group to Al-Muhajiroun in the U.K. The sentiments expressed are most revealing of the jihadist mindset:
Despite the insistent pleas of some apologetic sections of the Muslim community and their distorted claims that Islam ‘represents freedom’ and ‘tolerance’. The fact of the matter is that there is no room for freedom in Islam whatsoever, in fact Islam calls for the complete opposite, and end of all freedoms and the enslaving of all people to their lord.We do not want the slavery to our desires, money, women, man-made laws, Tony Blair etc like that offered by a free and democratic society, rather the Muslims believe in Islam, which is the total submission to Almighty Allah exclusively by worshipping Him (swt), obeying and following his commands and declaring complete intolerance, hatred, disassociation from Shirk (associating partners with Allah) and all of its people (i.e. all Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, atheists etc).
The west calls for freedom of belief, to believe as you wish and worship as you wish and change your Deen as you wish. There is no space for this fallacy in Islam; in the Shari’ah it is well known that we have been ordered with “the one who changes his Deen, [to] kill him.” And although under an Islamic authority nobody will be forced to embrace Islam, we do not accept for people to walk with their idols and crosses in the streets publicly, nor to build any new places of worship (though they may keep their existing ones).
Another favourite of the west is the personal freedom to dress provocatively, to walk naked in the streets harming everybody in their way, freedom to look at pornography ‘as long as it is not children’, freedom to drink themselves into a frenzy until they are drunk and begin to steal, rape, kill and beat their wives and children. To the point that “the Home Office has suggested that nearly a half of all violent crimes are alcohol related and a staggering 19,000 sexual assaults are also alcohol related.”
This is the fruits of freedom! How people live with this corruption in the name of freedom I will never understand! Allah (swt) ordered us to stay far away from alcohol and all other intoxicants cutting off all of these ills from the root. Islam ensures that nobody feels the urge to exercise any ‘freedom’ to walk naked or dress provocatively or even to freemix let alone to destroy marriages and lives with fornication and adultery.
And besides these and other freedoms to steal, cheat, extort etc in the name of ‘interest’ and ‘profit’ we have the famous freedom of speech and expression, boasted and ‘courageously’ defended recently throughout Europe. So what is this ‘great’ concept of freedom of expression?
Strange… upon examination we find that it is nothing more than an excuse to lie, cheat, slander, backbite, swear, insult, mock and even defame all people in the name of this grand privilege to speak your mind. No, there is no room in Islam for this kind of evil concept, there is no freedom to lie, no freedom to slander, no freedom to swear, no freedom to insult any prophet and the prophet (saw) said, “whoever insults a prophet, kill him.”
So we find that the freedom that people worship is nothing more than an excuse to follow desires and corrupt societies, do you not think that Britain would be much better if the people were honest, trustworthy, decent people who did not swear, nor lie, nor slander each other, if they were not drunken rapists, criminals and adulterers like today but instead were sober and faithful HETERESEXUAL husbands and wives? Verily Britain will be so much better when governed under the Islamic rules in the coming days inshaa Allah.
Again, I don't think these are or should be our only two choices. If they are, all is already lost.
Don't miss also Kill those who insult the Prophet Muhammad (saw).
This all sounds faithful to the Qur'an and Hadith to me. And it is completely rational.
So, where are the 'moderate' counter-arguments? Where is the overwhelming, compelling, sincere, majority-view that is 'moderate Islam'?
"The west calls for freedom of belief, to believe as you wish and worship as you wish and change your Deen as you wish. There is no space for this fallacy in Islam."
Doesn't that sum up the problem of the liberal democratic west v.s. the pre-Enlightenment dogmas: that Muslims see our fundamentals as fallacies.
Deen == Lord, Master, God ???
The insulting of the Messenger Muhammad (saw) is something that the Muslims cannot and will not tolerate and the punishment in Islam for the one who does so is death.
Is it just me, or do the Islamists suddenly seem to be veering away from the "no, no we are a peaceful religion" and suddenly laying it out like it really is?
Makes me wonder -
"Is it just me, or do the Islamists suddenly seem to be veering away from the "no, no we are a peaceful religion" and suddenly laying it out like it really is?"
Not yet. This group Spencer is quoting is, for the defenders of Islam, conveniently categorizable as a flaky extremist group, giving the more mainstream British Muslim groups a leeway to claim their plausible deniability. I.e., official deceit and double-talk is still the mainstream Muslim tactic.
"...freedom to drink themselves into a frenzy until they are drunk and begin to steal, rape, kill and beat their wives and children."
On the other hand, I guess Al-Guraaba's faithful are stone cold sober when they do what they do, which probably includes all of the above.
There is no Room for Freedom in Islam.
True. True.
Of course, the inverse is just as true:
There is no Room for Islam in Freedom.
Remember it.
"Broad strata of society"
"Violent ideology inspired by Al-Qaeda"
I hope these classic concepts will be mocked to the maximum on this site. I just heard this "violent ideology" thing on CNN and it almost made me laugh (even though it shouldn't have).
But we must continue to fight those who have "hijacked the peaceful religion" and those who continue to "misunderstand islam".
'Ka’ab ibn Ashraf was assassinated by Muhammad ibn Maslamah for harming the Messenger Muhammad (saw) by his words, Abu Raafi’ was killed by Abu Ateeq as the Messenger ordered in the most evil of ways for swearing at the prophet, Khalid bin Sufyaan was killed by Abdullah bin Anees who cut off his head and brought it to the prophet for harming the Messenger Muhammad (saw) by his insults, Al-Asmaa bintu Marwaan was killed by Umayr bin Adi’ al-Khatmi, a blind man, for writing poetry against the prophet and insulting him in it, Al-Aswad al-Ansi was killed by Fairuz al-Daylami and his family for insulting the Messenger Muhammad (saw) and claiming to be a prophet himself'
Proper martyrs.
"Is it just me, or do the Islamists suddenly seem to be veering away from the "no, no we are a peaceful religion" and suddenly laying it out like it really is?"
You're not the only one, gallopinggranny. It does seem to me ever since the Cartoon Rage began that I'm seeing more and more examples of Muslims being more honest and willing to state their true intentions. The major Muslim apologists and their useful idiots still parrot the "Religion of Peace" nonsense, but I am seeing more examples of the true Islam slipping by.
I think the Islamists are starting to feel more confident in their eventual triumph and that the PC idiocracy will continue to keep most Infidels in the dark until it's too late. With so many, sadly including the current US Administration, continuing to parrot the ROP line, they probably feel they can get away with saying more and more. This hopefully will lead to more and more Infidels waking up and smelling the coffee.
al-Ghurabaa is 100 % correct--and for those persons who wish to remain free, Islam actually DOES have room: on the chopping block it uses to behead people.
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Islam is political totalitarianism WITH A DIFFERENCE: it is political totalitarianism combined with 'religious' killing.
Notice that no one (with few exceptions)remotely desires to move to a country where Islam rules. If anything, the masses of people trapped in Islam's self-proclaimed "perfect" world are climbing all over each other to escape from it as fast as possible. So much for Islam's perfection--no one evidently wants it. Not even Islamic leaders who openly violate Islam's strict codes of perfected human behavior with impunity. Which brings up another point----
If Islam was so perfect, how come it provides no means of enforcing its laws upon those who are supposed to enforce these laws themselves? Extreme and brutal corruption of every type conceivable (take a look at "moderate" Indonesia, the world's most corrupt nation)in Islamic societies is a permanent fixture of the political landscape. It would seem Islam is really about a handful of corrupt people violently enslaving the masses under the pretext of "religion."
Could Islam's corruption really be the legacy bequeathed to the world from Babylon?
No, I wouldn't say it does. I think the West is far more than just post-Enlightenment dogma. I'm not about to throw my copy of the Folio in the trash, thinking it has no "dogma" I can respect in it. Good grief, if I pick up and read a volume of Aristophanes I'm reading something that speaks directly to me and has me in stitches but that was written by a man who was born around 445 BC.
That formulation also gives Islam far too much credit, as if it were no different from any other "pre-Enlightenment dogma". For example, Islamic writers have written with horror of the tolerant and varied nature of Hindu beliefs.
There you have it; in one big nutshell. Or one huge "nutsack" as the case would be.
"Deen" means religion in Arabic. In Hebrew the word means law but has the connotation of strictness and severity, in contradistinction to rachamim or mercy. It is said in rabbinic literature that Jerusalem was destroyed because people did not act "lefanim le shurat ha din" or "beyond the srict sense of legal right." Lefanim also has an added connotation of inwardness.
One of the greatest insults in Arabic is "din amuk" or "your mother's religion!" The expression perhaps harkens back to the fact that Muslims often took non-Muslim women whose children were obligatorily raised as Muslims while the women were allowed to keep their native faith. Their idea was to breed the natives out of existence by robbing them of any chance to pass on their culture.
Centuries before George Orwell's 1984, Islam had arrived at the alarming conclusion that freedom is slavery and slavery is freedom.
Britain should deport those associated with al-ghurabaa and their families, then stop all Muslim immigration indefinitely. Why put up with this? Muslims will never assimilate and even if they did and all apostasized from Islam, many of their cultural pathologies would remain with us, such as honor killings and a high crime rate. Just deport them. They add no value to our society and they are destroying it from within.
Close down the mosques and make Islam hard to practice and they will leave voluntarily. No more dialogue, no more debates, just do something already.
Jordanian Islamist Leader Hamza Mansour: All Arab and Islamic Countries Should Have Nuclear Bombs to Deter the U.S. and Israel
Following are excerpts from an interview with Sheik Hamza Mansour, secretary-general of the Jordanian Islamic Action Front, which aired on Al-Alam TV on May 29, 2006.
Sheik Hamza Mansour: Europe and America compete in helping the Zionist enemy to obtain a nuclear bomb. It is said that the Zionist entity has 300 nuclear warheads. When Pakistan achieved a [nuclear] Islamic bomb, all hell broke loose. Why don't they talk about a "Christian bomb"? Why don't they talk about a "Jewish bomb" or a "Hindu bomb"? When the Islamic Republic of Iran made progress in using modern technology, including nuclear energy, the world was in turmoil.
Let me be frank with you, I am in favor of Iran, and all Arab Muslim countries, having nuclear energy both for peaceful and military purposes, because Allah said to us: "Prepare against them all the force you can."
I don't have the power that deters the Zionist entity and the U.S. from carrying out aggression, I will continue to be oppressed, humiliated, and at their mercy. Therefore, I congratulate Iran, which is represented by the supreme leader, by the president, by the government, and by the Iranian people. I congratulate them on this accomplishment, which I do not consider to be an Iranian accomplishment alone, but an Islamic accomplishment. I congratulate them on this accomplishment, and it is my hope that they continue on this path, until they achieve equality and balance with all the forces threatening this nation.............( Well maybe this is why)...Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love the aggressors. Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage.
Q 2:190-3
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.
Q 9:73
The only true faith in God's sight is Islam.
Q 3:19
http://www.memritv.org/default.asp
> to walk naked in the streets harming everybody in their way
I don't know which part of England he lives in, but I've never seen anyone walk naked in the street. It's too bloody cold, except for about five days a year when we go wild and take our long-johns off.
The price of freedom is what freedom brings. It's called free will. And God given
Proud Infidel said
Traditionally, intelligence agencies would infiltrate an organization and encourage it to commit violent acts, using this pretext to arrest the members.
Since Muslims don't need any such encouragement, in fact it would be hard for an informant to keep up with all the violent attacks that are not just planned but actually committed, it seems the best the intelligence agencies could do would be to encourage the jihad groups to proselytise. We should have a regular segment on the nightly news, where the jihadists can spout the "you are all a bunch of homosexual, drunken gamblers, and we are coming to destroy your wickedness" lines. Let them post their "We are coming for you" posters and stickers all over, so that no-one can miss them. Let every bus-stop have a sticker with Qur'anic quotes describing how they will find the infidels wherever they hide and behead them.
If we infidels put up posters saying "they are coming for us", we will be branded racist and xenophobic. If the Muslims put up posters saying "we are coming for you", what can the response be? Well, okay, the public will just continue to ignore it, but as it becomes more prevalent and more unambiguous about the smiting and so forth, ignorance will take more and more effort.
In summary, keep up the good work, Al-Ghurabaa.
Is the Al-Ghurabaa website for real? I was astonished to find such chilling essays written by current practicioners of the RoP. It justifies the condemnation of Islam that Muslim apologists deny, and it can't be dismissed as Islamophobia, considering its source.
Could Al-Ghurabaa actually be a brilliant Western psy-ops AGAINST Islam?
Re: “.. freedom to drink themselves into a frenzy until they are drunk and begin to steal, rape, kill and beat their wives and children”
This quote is from Dhimmi Watch of June 4:
"Mufti of Egypt Sheik Ali Gum'a: Wife-Beating Is Permitted by Islam in Muslim Countries, but Is Forbidden in the West," from MEMRITV, with thanks to Spires:
Consistency has never been a strong point of this cult but one would expect they would attempt to get their stories straight.
Re: “to walk naked in the streets harming everybody in their way”
In Canada you say? If it isn’t too bloody cold outside, the black flies will eat you alive.
I wonder what the morally superior Al-Guraaba types have to say to explain this item posted yesterday on DW re: human trafficking and Iran: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011703
Re: There is no Room for Freedom in Islam
A person who treats a religious belief as if it is a certain fact is mentally ill. This person has no ability to distinguish fact from belief. He is delusional.
The need to control others is rooted in insecurity and fear. The compulsion to control others added to such a delusion equals totalitarian oppresion that will lead to book burning and then the burning of people.
Freedom of speech is about the free and open exchange of ideas and opinions. It is the unlimited right to reason and express ideas and opinion based on reason. But this man's delusions tells him its about the right to lie.
He does not understand fact, belief or reason. He belongs in a straight-jacket. I foresee a bad end, a nuclear end to Islam in the Mid East because of delusional persons such as the author of There is no Room for Freedom in Islam.
I see no hope for reason on this matter. I am being realistic.
to walk naked in the streets harming everybody in their way
I don't know which part of England he lives in, but I've never seen anyone walk naked in the street. It's too bloody cold, except for about five days a year when we go wild and take our long-johns off.
Posted by: Interested
Aw come on interested, you're not thinking. Hair rays? And naked arms and legs, oh the horror.
"freedom to drink themselves into a frenzy until they are drunk and begin to steal, rape, kill and beat their wives and children."
An incredible claim. He expects us to believe that non-Muslims have a few drinks and start following the rules of classical sharia (by stealing, raping, killing, beating wives and children). I personally don't believe it. I think following sharia takes years of study, discipline, and training.
C2-
It is time to call his kind of delusional expression mental illness. The person who wrote this is a dangerous, mentally ill person. He is dangerous to himsef and others. What else can be said re him and others like him...
If I had written that headline, of course, it would become the springboard for a fresh round of charges of "Islamophobe,"
This has come up before. Of course being labeles so means being put in uncomfortable spot in the public eye. But is there anything legally wrong with being a proud Islamophobe?
Anti-Semetic or 'Nazi' is a charge I grwe up seeing bandied about in my Christian neck of the woods.
I think the key difference is respect. There are Jews who merit the respect of and acceptance by a society. Judaism is also benign, it does not threaten to take lives of others. Muslims always find a way to twist those facts tho based on the state actions of Israel.
This respect element is not so of Islam. Islam seeks to actively kill, deceive and not fit into existing society. So, is it legally wrong to be a bonafide Islamophobe?
POLICE TARGET MUSLIMS, WILL YOU BE NEXT?
DEMONSTRATION FRIDAY 9th JUNE '06, 2PM ONWARDS
@Forest Gate Police Station, East London http://www.alghurabaa.co.uk/
GreatShaitan-
Re: "But is there anything legally wrong with being a proud Islamophobe?"
Is there anythin wrong with being a proud Naziphobe? When people tell me that they want to control every aspect of my life and that I should treat their beliefs as fact-I think fear is rational. I'm sure we agree on that.
I haven't even read the comments preceding mine.
I don't feel the need. Not today.
Not this time.
I have peers that are blind, complacent, indifferent, or just too busy to bother and/or care. Perhaps they feel that this is another flash in the pan scenario, soon to pass while the birds continue to chirp and the sun rises and sets.
This is, truly, the coming of much violence. Let's get real...the issue is that Islam pushes, and pushes hard, and continues to add fuel to their insane machine. It is fascist. It is totalitarian. It is a set of rigid rules for the mindless shell in human form. The switch has been turned on, we are soon at the rubicon.
Seriously...we talk of the West being 'in decline', and 'demographically challenged', and matialistic and blah blah blah...
But not one of us is suicidal per se, like the Mohammedans.
The dilemma that the average Westerner has been facing is that this all seems so lucicrous and is...and that we are tolerant. But old ways die hard...and centuries of self-preservation aren't that buried in our collective consciousnesses. When push becomes a pill that makes us collectively want to vomit, there will be either a purge of Mohammedans in the West (can't happen? The holocaust is not that long ago, people) by being shipped home, or something less palatable but necessary. I don't condone violence, but I don't condone it being rammed down my throat.
Doomsayers...get real. The tipping point has not been reached, but since 2006 rolled in, the carnival of the bizarre just keeps getting more explicit. Once the tipping point is reached, soccer thugs will look positively civilized in comparison.
It will happen. And the Mohammedans don't stand a chance. Of course, you can't tell them that. It's not in the Koran.
Within a few years (at most) this will all end up in expulsion.
As horror is piled upon horror, atrocity upon atrocity, the people of the West (and maybe India as well) will come to realize that the garden snake is really an adder and that will leave us only one solution.
Eventually, the Islamic home-grown monsters will succeed here in some spectacular and bloody fashion and that will effectively mark the end of the period of pretense.
Time to monitor mosques (armories)
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/benshapiro/2006/06/07/200177.html
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/michellemalkin/2006/06/07/200180.html
It's the jihad, stupid.
Anthrax Scare in British Parliament
22:42 Jun 07, '06 / 11 Sivan 5766
(IsraelNN.com) A man who scattered suspicious material in the central lobby of the British Parliament caused the building to be put on high alert. The material was suspected of being anthrax.
The man has since been arrested and the material is being analyzed. In the meantime, the situation in the parliament has returned to normal.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=105007
We live with this corruption because we can vote the power crazed idiots out once every four years. It brings a balance to the government and occsionally produces politicians like Churchill just when you need one.
The social corruption he speaks of is no different in Muslim males than it is in western secular males. The wealthy Muslims in Kuwait like nothing more than a flight to Holland so they can gamble and sleep with the famous ladies of the night.
Muslim on Muslim crime is going past the Spanish inquisition level of barbarity day by day.
As far as immigrant crime in the UK is concerned. There are people who have been brought up in Mogadishu, living at the British tax payers expense without even the chance to work. These people who are automatically expected to live by our rules but they have just moved from a country without rules of any type we could concieve.
British policy is at fault but not in the way that our lastest vocal Muslim believes.
Soon British people are going to have to ask some serious questions about whether the british public or the Muslim Imams have the right to decide what happens here.
As a Brit i'm going with the public on this one. And al-imadickiljazzereonthegoat can go explain to his God why is sort ended up not getting our green and pleasant land.
Islam and childrens rights........Old Man to Take 54th Wife
Arab News
JEDDAH, 7 June 2006 — An 80-year-od man surprised guests at his granddaughter’s wedding reception by announcing that he was about to marry a 15-year-old domestic servant, Al-Watan daily reported yesterday. The man’s eldest son told the newspaper that this girl would be the man’s 54th wife in 80 years, proudly declaring that his old man has married women from Europe, Asia and Africa and has sired 58 children, many of whom are engineers, teachers and doctors.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=83415&d=7&m=6&y=2006&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom
Seymour Paine-
Well said. I am afraid that you are all too right. "The end of the period of pretense" made me think of Bob Dylyn and I could hear his words in my head, "..it's hard rain that's gonna fall....."
First song...
http://www.cohen.co.kr/frame4.htm
With no freedom (religious or otherwise), the environment is on of coerced virtue. Whither the glory, then?
Spelling error corrected:
With no freedom (religious or otherwise), the environment is one of coerced virtue. Whither the glory, then?
My Fellow Brits:
How did your once mighty and glorious empire come to this?
You should have been able to see that Islam was utterly evil and had no place on British soil from your centuries-long sojourns around the world. It should have been self-evident that permitting such an ideology as this on your soil would lead to tragedy.
And it did, didn't it?
May Yahweh deliver us all from Islam and its horrors!
Interesting about alcohol. I remember when they captured Saddam's son Uday, his cabinet was full of alcohol. Hypocrites.
My Fellow Brits:
Followed by:
How did your once mighty and glorious empire come to this?
pythagoras, if you are a fellow Brit then it would be how did our mighty empire come to this, not yours.
Are you a fellow Brit or a Troll hiding under a bridge causing mischief.
Your fellow Brit.
I like to see a man proud of the place in which he lives. I like to see a man live so that his place will be proud of him.
Abraham Lincoln
"The fact of the matter is that there is no room for freedom in Islam whatsoever, in fact Islam calls for the complete opposite, and end of all freedoms and the enslaving of all people to their lord."
I sure as hell hope that alot of prospective black African-American converts to Islam are taking note.
Meet your new boss...
Quote-'Another favourite of the west is the personal freedom to dress provocatively, to walk naked in the streets harming everybody in their way, freedom to look at pornography ‘as long as it is not children’, freedom to drink themselves into a frenzy until they are drunk and begin to steal, rape, kill and beat their wives and children'
Yes, in the West or ANY country you do have evil individuals who commit rape, steal etc. Here's the difference, when someone in the West commits rape, it's a crime!!! Here in Texas, rapists face years in prison and if a man were to have sex with a nine-year-old girl, he would be facing many years in prison and ostracized by the public. In many Muslim countries, a man can commit rape and they jail the victim or even kill her. In many Muslim countries men can marry or have sex with a nine-year-old and they punish the nine-year-old while the man walks free(see Iran). In Texas, beating your spouse is a crime and you go to jail(ps not all people who beat their spouses are men here either lol). In the Muslim world it's a-ok to slap your wife around, matter of fact the Koran supports it. Don't kid yourself, Muslims regularly look at pornography, get drunk,cheat, beat their wives, rape, steal, molest children , etc. The difference is that in the Muslim world these things often aren't condemned or considered crimes whereas in the Western world,they are condemned and ARE considered crimes/morally wrong.
Quote-'We do not want the slavery to our desires, money, women, man-made laws, Tony Blair etc like that offered by a free and democratic society, rather the Muslims believe in Islam, which is the total submission to Almighty Allah exclusively by worshipping Him (swt), obeying and following his commands and declaring complete intolerance, hatred, disassociation from Shirk (associating partners with Allah) and all of its people (i.e. all Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, atheists '
THAN GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM MUSLIMS. GO LIVE IN YOUR MUSLIM COUNTRIES AND LIVE UNDER ALLAH'S RULE. DON'T LIKE THE WEST, THEN LEAVE!!!!SIMPLE AS THAT!!!!
Gee, this was a wake-up call if I ever heard one. Having a chip on your shoulder, thinking that you have been victimized, and believing that yours is the only true religion is a dangerous combination. Peace with such people is not possible. They must change or leave.
Life imitates fiction - "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." Let's call Mohammedans what they really are - Pod People.
nuff said with the caption, what you blind and deff
I had a look at their site, and though I couldn't get much sense out of most of the articles that I read, this gave me hope:
"A Muslim must know that if he is to maintain his Islam, he cannot participate in the election and must not participate in any form of kufr such as voting for a person that wants to go to elections in order to participate in the legislative body under the pretext of his ‘good intention’. "
Cool, demographics won't help them that much if they don't vote.
Above: "Islam seeks to actively kill, deceive and not fit into existing society. So, is it legally wrong to be a bonafide Islamophobe?"
A phobia is an irrational fear. Go right back at anyone who accuses you of islamophobia and call them libellous: to fear islamism and sharia is a perfectly rational concern about a totalitarian ideology with world domination goals and no tolerance for human rights. It's time to stand up for our concerns and call accusations of 'islamophobia', 'xenophobia' and 'racism' exactly what they are: libellous and slanderous.
We brought down the Ottomans, gave the coup de grace to the Moghuls and kicked the Pahlavis about like a football: I'm sure we'll see off these jokers. Still, it does give you the creeps to think that such weirdoes are fellow British citizens.
With freedom comes responsibility. Unlike other religions that seek to cure irresponsible behavior through edification, Islam chooses repression.
It sweeps its dirt under the carpet and, while standing firmly upon it, haughtily declares the West's carpet filthy.
C1 (aka-Caroline)-
"Meet your new boss..."-same as the old boss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Slaves_Zadib_Yemen_13th_century_BNF_Paris.jpg
Frank - I would have added "same as the old boss"
- except I think its actually worse in the long run. :-)
THERE IS ONLY ONE FREEDOM APPLICABLE TO islam
AND
THAT IS FREEDOM FROM islam.
Islam reverses Rousseau:
"Man is born enslaved, but is everywhere unchained."
They want to [re-]shackle all humanity to the same Koran-Koran-Koran treadmill they see themselves handcuffed to from birth.
Circling the Ka'aba of the mind forever.
Freedom is anathema to Mohammedans.
They see it as always as licence.
Failing to grasp the truth:
No freedom, no meaning.
Only dead men's echoes.
(Just barely salvaged from being eaten by a passing goat or jackass, alas...)
Attention Mert: "My" is a figure of speech. I have not agreed to post in accordance with YOUR specifications on how to write posts. And will not (I believe in freedom of speech). Maybe you should read what I wrote more carefully, as there was nothing unkind in it that I am aware of.
You intentionally dodged my question, did you not? So it appears that YOU are the hiding troll causing mischief. Why else would you respond evasively while slipping in nastiness like that?
So, I will ask it again, my fellow Brits, how did this level of Islamic predation happen to your country??? I actually feel sorry for you people (except of course for the cantankerous 'Mert').
I won't ask you, Mert. You're far too stupid and mean-spirited to have any insight into anything.
Wow, show me to a mosque, I so want to be another Islamo-bot!
it goes to show that Bush and all the Wilsonian style international do-gooders are full of dung: Most people want to be oppressed and the only form of gov't that they would have if they revolted and succeeded would be another tyranny with them in charge. Freedom is not some universal natural law, but the conscious decisions of rational people.
"So we do not want to be like them, or even look like them. We cannot wear western clothes that are known to be part of the western fashion; the Muslims will always address the disbelievers and say, "you are free from what I am doing and we are free from what you are doing"
So May Allah make us stick to our Islamic identity and save us from all British values, customs, culture and identities. Ameen"
He should tell that to the immigration officials as he leaves on a one way ticket back to the 'free' muslim country he came from.
"Freedom is not some universal natural law, but the conscious decisions of rational people."
Rational people who symbiotically grow out of, and grow into, a rationally evolving culture. Just as not all individuals are alike, so not all cultures are alike: some are better, some are worse, some are healthier, some are more dysfunctional. Only when God ends History and transfigures this imperfect world (which could be another 2000 years -- or 20,000 -- for all we know) will these mysterious disparities cease. Until that time, stay locked and loaded.
The funniest thing here is that the guy himself is making full use of the freedom of speech and freedom of religion as he is writing and publishing this article. If the modern Western values had not developed the way they did, he would probably be burning at the stake right now, writhing in unspeakable agony, his skin peeling off in charred strips.
Seriously, I wonder what would have happened in pre-Enlightenment Britain to a Muslim guy who'd write something like that.
I said it on the other thread about these islamofacists.
Bethnal Green is George Galloways constituency.
Coincidence?
They probably get EU funding and council grants to run there offices.
I think I might pass this on to some of the tabloids they're not totally dhimmified like most of the media and have often done undercover campaigns against these mentalists.
well see.