More on the dispersed Hizballah threat. "US intel.: Hizbullah could become threat alongside Iran," from AP, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
If cornered by the West over its nuclear program, Iran could direct Hizbullah to enlist its widespread international support network to aid in terrorist attacks, intelligence officials say.In interviews with The Associated Press, several Western intelligence officials said they have seen signs that Hizbullah's fundraisers, recruiters and criminal elements could be adapted to provide logistical help to terrorist operatives.
Such help could include obtaining forged travel documents or off-the-shelf technology - global positioning equipment and night goggles, for example - that could be used for military purposes.
More reason for striking iran immediately. For, the longer we delay, the more the network of muslim grows in the host countries and the more damage we take. Yes, they will strike out internationally, and we shall sustain casualties. But, if we don't do it now, the collateral damage will be much more.
Bring them out in the open. There's never been a real war in which the enemy couldn't strike. But to do so gives us a chance to find and neutralize this crop of jihadis. The worst thing to do is wait until Hizb'allah has access to large quantities of NBC weapons and more recruits.
Of course Hizballah will join in the efforts, muslim helping muslim according to allah, and then they will turn on each other and it will be muslim killing muslim according to allah.
This vile ideology has no bounds and will stoop to many levels to intistute its agenda around the world, we see examples on a daily basis and yet we can not lable them for what they really are nor can we take the necassary steps to eliminate them and their cause, we will soon engage Iran and when we do it will be a war against Islam and we will be victorious.
They are all in the same boat, guided by the same hateful ideology. Now just imagine for yourself what Israel has been going through day in and day out for the last 57 years - the last five years we americans have gone through, rough and sad as they are, are just one part of a larger, sadder, maddening history...
Hisbullah is a terrorist organization. Kill it.
Bush has to show he used up all his diplomacy before he can bomb them up to the stone age. iranians and Hizballah have to grandstand and make themselves look more powerful. they need to be brought down very descively.
Sunni Arab leaders, alarmed by the Shi'a, are naturally hoping that the American government will not limit its attack to the nuclear weapons but will "decapitate" (as Robert Baer reported) the Iranian regime. Again, this is a case of the locals trying to inveigle the Americans into doing more than they should -- the way that the Shi'a exiles from Iraq helped inveigle the Americans not only to remove Saddam Hussein, but to stick around in order to give Iraq an instant make-over. In the latter case the Americans should have resisted the messianic and foolish temptation; in the former case, the American government should do whatever it takes to remove the weapons -- which Iran under any regime cannot be allowed to possess, because Iran is a Muslim state, and regimes change -- but not do what Abdullah of Jordan or Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, may sincerely -- very sincerely -- convey, behind close doors, to Amercian envoys about fear of a "Shiite arc" etcetera. Stick to what is necessary to further Infidel goals. It is not necessary to destroy the Shi'a, only to make sure that they do not possess the kind of weaponry that makes them a threat to Infidels.
As for Hezbollah, if the Americans withdraw from Iraq, and Sunni-Shi'a warfare becomes more heayed, it is Zarqawi himself who, in his last tape, denounced not only the Shi'a in Iraq (that is nothing new for him) but, especially, the Hezbollah or Shi'a Army of God in Lebanon. What could be better than the followers of Sunnis such as Zarqawi attacking, and being attacked by, Hezbollah, whether in Lebanon, or in Iraq? Why not allow that all to take its course? Why should the Americans be keeping Zarqawi and Hezbollah, and the supporters or fellow-travellers of each, as many in the Middle East are forced to choose sides (but both sides will agree only in their hostility toward Infidels, even if those Infidel Americans have, for one side or another, been useful -- in the Iran-Iraq War helping Iraq's Sunni despot; in the Gulf War, hurting Iraq's Sunni despot; in the latest war, helping Iraq's Shi'a), from each other's throats? Why?
... the longer we delay, the more the network of muslim grows in the host countries and the more damage we take.
No, in the eyes of our ruling elites, and these are the only people who count in this matter, the longer we wait the more our cultural diversity grows and, thereby, the more fortified our nations become.
MO HIZULLAHS MO ALLAHS MO TORTILLAS MO SHANGRILAS MO FAUX PAS MO MO
Who sez Islam can’t evolve? In the olden days the Moslems would declare a treaty with you and, if you didn’t accept that call to Islam, they’d either shake you down or slaughter you in the name of peace.
The modern Moslem is more sophisticated than that. Now, they appear on TV all weepy and indignant, declare a treaty with you, live off your welfare checks for an extended period, and then the slaughter.
That’s progress.
Bush has to show he used up all his diplomacy before he can bomb them up to the stone age.
Show who?
If the consensus is that someone is trying to murder you and will be satisfied with nothing less than your demise; then the only demonstrable proof of your having "used up all your diplomacy" rests with you -- in the grave.
Those who you will have tried to convince of your intentions will nod thier yes in mournful affirmation -- you on the other hand will have been dispatched.
Less than optimal in my view.
May I suggest in its stead, a less charitable plan with a different outcome that perhaps would garner scorn from the onlookers and wanna-be judges; that would result in the liquidation of the murderers as an alternative?
Tis the lesser of the dismal choices too!
"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qa'eda in Iraq, called on Sunnis yesterday to rise up against Shia "snakes" across the Middle East.
He also denounced Hizbollah, the powerful Lebanese militant group hated by Israel and America.
The Jordanian-born terrorist has long tried to foment civil war in Iraq in the belief that sectarian violence would radicalise Sunni Muslims and attract allies from across the region.
But in a four-hour audio message on the internet, which could not be authenticated, he strangely echoed Israeli and western demands by denouncing Hizbollah as "an independent state inside Lebanon" and demanded that it should be disarmed. The Shia militia has almost iconic status among extremists for forcing Israel out of its buffer zone in south Lebanon in 2000."
Why should Zarqawi not wish to rouse the Sunni Arabs against the Shi'a, beginning with the 19% of the Iraqi population that now feels itself dispossessed? Why should he not wish to obtain support from Sunni rulers who, though they may dislike him, like very much the idea of his leading shock troops against growing Shi'a power? And if you were a Sunni Arab in Lebanon, would you welcome his views on Hezbollah, or not? One can cheerfully endorse as a Muslim Arab Hezbollah's attacks on sleeping American marines or on wide-awake Israeli schoolchildren, but that's a different matter. Now Sunni interests are at stake.
Is this attitude of Zarqawi something to deplore? Would attacks on Hezbollah by Sunni Arabs, or on Sunni Arabs by Hezbollah, be a terrible thing that American soldiers should do everything to prevent?
Why?
will nod thier yes in mournful
...will nod their heads with tearful eyes...
was in the preview -- not in the post. ah well.
Hizballah could strike internationally. First define “strike internationally” they might be able to coordinate a few small terror attacks, assassinations etc but that’s about it. Local authorities worldwide have an excellent track record of rolling these clowns up after an event. Each time they tip their hand the muslims lose. I see little difference from a sunni or shia they are muslims, both have the same goal and it doesn’t include our peaceful coexistence.
A real international strike requires the United States Military. They call it a global strike and can put lead on target with little or no notice anywhere in the world. I’d think poor hizballah has already had a bad time with the Israeli military they really, really really, do not want to see how much more firepower we bring to the table. I also agree with Hugh, let these idiots kill each other, encourage it even. I’m not for pulling out of Iraq just because I know they are killing these clowns in large numbers, thin them out a bit more first. War is expensive and paying for maintaining safe houses, recruiting fighters and purchasing weapons for so called insurgent’s keep them occupied. Hopefully, too occupied to worry about the rest of the world. Imagine what we would face if they were free to travel with impunity.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060603/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_russia
Gunmen attacked a car belonging to the Russian Embassy in Baghdad on Saturday, killing one diplomat and kidnapping four employees, police and the Russian Embassy said.
Let's hope the Russians respond with their usual style and finesse.
But in a four-hour audio message on the internet…
This is all you need to know about your devout Moslem. Sensing, subliminally of course, that what they’re saying is filled with contradictions and inhumanity, they keep on flapping their jaws, hoping for a good conclusion.
They say that even if you’re a dhimmi, never, ever, forget to the Sunnah.
And Abu Musab Jibber Jab Zah Wah Kon a Cowee certainly ain’t done that. Mohammed never shut up, and so Abu drones on for 4 solid hours. Isn’t this why the boys in the Pac10 and Big10 designed the Internet in the first place?
MO ALLAHS MO FAUX PAS MO FLAPPING JAWS MO HAW HAWS MO BROKEN LAWS MO
You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone to follow.
--- God commanding Moslems to emulate Mohammed in Koran 33:21
And of course if we *don't* stop Iran....They will do it anyway. So there's not a downside - only a upside where we would have their oil (we better frigging keep it this time - f-k'em!) and cut off a good part of their petrodollars.
I believe that Hizballah will bide their time in the United States. With the new borderless country brought about by immigration "reform", there will soon be another one or two million Muslims in place in the United States. The emirates of Hamtramck and Dearborn will implement Sharia law, and will become no-go areas for infidels. Police will, of course, not enter the emirates.
Think that's not going to happen? Sorry, peasants, your ruling elites have already made the decision.
Don't worry, be happy!
Islam is a religion of peace.
Viva El Presidente Jorge bin Jorge al-Bush!
Allahu akbar, you poor, doomed suckers.
Norseman, you were in here a month or so with your negative attitude making this same predction about the gates having already been closed on our dire fate.
And I, a humble pork agronomist, must once again state, Ed McMahon-sytle, You are so right, sir!
TORONTO — Seventeen Canadian residents were in custody Saturday on terrorism-related charges, including plots to use explosives in attacks on Canadian soil, authorities said.
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police said they arrested 12 male adults and five youth and foiled plans for terrorist attacks against targets in southern Ontario.
Officials showed evidence of bomb making materials, a computer hard drive, camouflage uniforms and what appears to be a door with bullet holes in it at a news conference Saturday morning
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198050,00.html
Syrian state-run newspaper blames US and Israel for Damascus attack
Syria's state-run media on Saturday implicitly blamed the recent terror attack in Damascus on
the United States, Israel and their supporters in the region.
The accusation came a day after security forces fought Islamic militants near the Defense Ministry in a gunbattle that left four militants and a police officer dead, the government said. (AP
http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3082,00.html
Link to the "Shia snakes" story:
Broadcast urges Sunni to 'confront Shia snakes'
Do you ever get the idea that the media and the ruling elite just relate to one another, they aren't concerned with us, the plebians who have no part in the way we fight this "war on terror"?
The media reports how mean we are to the poor brown people, and the ruling elite try to appear as though they are fighting for our benefit, although letting the enemy in our back door.
It really wouldn't be hard to win this war if the rulers would listen to the people that are supposed to be the USA. Somewhere along the line the governors have decided the governed are not important enough to decide our own fate.
O.T.
But this story is good for a laugh. A naked African woman was chased in Medina. It seems to have triggered the Saudis racial and sexual prejudices. It's not clear why the lady had taken her clothes off, but locals concluded that she must be a witch, and the religios police were apparently nervous of approaching her too closely:
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/002271.html
KAFIR INTELLIGENCE: The US could severely punish both Iran and its proxy.
Fresh off the news service.
Hugh,
Air strikes on the Guardian Council, clerical leadership, and political higher ups could create instability in Iran. I wouldn't favor trying to establish order in Iran, or to spend one American dime on reconstruction, but decapitation air strikes would lead to instability, a good thing.
Local authorities worldwide have an excellent track record of rolling these clowns up after an event.
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Just how many mos has the US Feds arrested across the US since 9/11?????????????
How many terrorists have entered America across our sothern border that pres bush has refused to shut down so we will have war inside america??????
Can you spell one world government............
Prepare, be armed, be ready for the war is coming.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..........Last night's dramatic police raid and arrest of as many as a dozen men — with more to come — marks the culmination of Canada's largest ever terrorism investigation into an alleged homegrown cell.
The chain of events began two years ago, sparked by local teenagers roving through Internet sites, reading and espousing anti-Western sentiments and vowing to attack at home, in the name of oppressed Muslims here and abroad.
Their words were sometimes encrypted, the Internet sites where they communicated allegedly restricted by passwords, but Canadian spies back in 2004 were reading them. And as the youths' words turned into actions, they began watching them
www.drudgereport.com
Just how many mos has the US Feds arrested across the US since 9/11?????????????
Texican, they don’t list them as muslims, they arrest them based on the crimes committed. It takes away their ability to claim racial profiling. Talk to any policeman, they round them up silently and charge them or deport them. The rest will be up to us. Just like in the military I will carve a small Christen cross on each round, probably too late to convert them but it made me feel better. It tends to be time consuming but I want them to remember me while they toss and turn in hell. I’ll deal with mohammad when I get there, until then, I’ll stockpile ammo and continue my quest to wake up a few more dhimmi’s.
America humanity’s last best hope for mankind.
YES...POST JIHAD PLEASE....ISLAM MEANS LOVE....NOT SMARTS.....HAHAHAHA...LOVE YOU JIHAD GUYS...KEEP POSTING....WE ARE ALL WATCHING!
Hizbollah was, if I am not mistaken, conceived and designed to massacre non-Muslims all over the world. Thus we can see Iran is giving us nothing new to concern ourselves with.
The fact that Iran's thugocracy is claiming it will step up the level of terrorist violence conducted by its Hizbollah terror network dramatically should not cause us to waiver in a response to Iran's aggression BECAUSE SOONER OR LATER Iran's thugocrats are going to accelerate Hizbollah's terrorist acts ANYWAY. We all need to understand this from the outset.
Failure of the western democracies to respond to Iran's government forcefully will, if anything, only embolden even further the Iranian government's thugs. Attempts to appease such people is like giving in to a blackmailer--it will only cause the blackmailer to step up his/her demands on the blackmailed party and become even harder to get rid of.
As for the Iranian people, I actually do care about them. They are heirs to a great civilization and the majority of them seem quite pleasant, intelligent, cultured, hospitable, and very decent. But next time when they are faced with the prospect of someone like Ahmadinejad coming to power they WILL thwart him before he turns into a monster as Ahmadinejad has.
Let's make no mistake here.....Iran's government IS blackmailing us. The signs are unmistakable.
from Hugh's post above:
"Would attacks on Hezbollah by Sunni Arabs, or on Sunni Arabs by Hezbollah, be a terrible thing that American soldiers should do everything to prevent?"
Right on! And while "decapitating" the Iranian regime and creating instability would indeed be a good thing, anything we can do to curtail the iranian nuclear program and embarass the regime would be almost as effective, with less political fallout.
With all this focus on Iran, let's not forget that there is already an "islamic bomb" in the hands of a regime slightly less insane, but perhaps even more dangerous and potentially more unstable than iran's.
Hizbullah, Shmizbullah!
Another threat based on the media fear of terrorism. They hope that the western public will be cowed by the threat of atrocities and dissuade our governments from taking action.
If you had a massive army of tanks and war planes would you be threatening your enemy with lunatics in bulky vests or keeping quiet while you moved your tanks and war planes into position for a fight.
Iran is now surrounded by tanks and war planes and any number of terrible weapons and so far they have the Shahab missile and lots of threats of terrorist bombs.
He's like Hitler without the means of Blitzkrieg.
Lulu, read your post again -
". . . he can bomb them up to the stone age."
Was that a typo? "bomb them UP to the stone age." It may be a typo but I fixated on that phrase - it implies that these people are still hunter-gatherers and have not yet reached the technology of making flint tools. I'm not making fun but if it was a slip, it was a good one.
Norseman,
If yall are going to wander through the backwoods, better be carful...
http://i.timeinc.net/fieldstream/images_large/hogzilla.jpg
Yesterday's LA TIMES featured an Op-Ed piece by Edward Luttwak titled "The Civil War Solution" which in which he argued that the US could only gain from a protracted civil war between Sunni and Shia in Iraq; with Coalition troops pulling out of most of the populated areas and merely holding the Baghdad Green Zone and guarding the borders from external threat while the two slugged it out. It's the first time I've scenario championed by anyone other than Hugh. But after all the flowery speeches about freedom, democracy and our obligations to the people of Iraq, could the US allow itself to be seen making such an openly cynical move?
Texican: Can you spell one world government............why yes I can, it's spelled 'BSIAINTGOINGFORIT'. It's a long word, but I know you know what it means...
"But after all the flowery speeches about freedom, democracy and our obligations to the people of Iraq, could the US allow itself to be seen making such an openly cynical move? [allowing a civil war to take place]
-- from a posting above
Not cynical at all. Done in a spirit, ostentatiously offered, of melancholy, of at-long-last dawning realization that there are things about this world of Muslims that we did not understand, and now we do. It has taken three years and $400 billion and 20,000 wounded and 2,500 dead, and great damage done to the morale of the military, to understand that Muslims may wish to pocket whatever money and other aid they can get from us, and may look with equanimity as we fight their enemies for them (Sunnis for the Shi'a, Shi'a for the Sunnis) but this has nothing to do with real or permanent gratitude, much less affection, toward Infidels.
For 2 1/2 years this has been steadily suggested at Jihad Watch, and for 2 1/2 years assorted scripts for speeches have been written, in which the Administration can plausibly, with pretend-innocence, leave Iraq to its ethnic and sectarian fissures, and then sit back, and watch, and watch. And if the Sunnis from outside Iraq send money, as the governments of Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E. and Kuwait sent $60 billion to Saddam Hussein when he needed it for his war on Shi'a Iran, good. And if they send materiel for war, good. And if there are Sunni volunteers, good. And if the Iranians, already much in evidence, send money, men, materiel to help prevent the Zarqawis of the Sunni world from ruthlessly attacking the Shi'a, fine. And if Hezbollah sends volunteers -- and the Syrian regime of quasi-Muslim Alawis will have to curry favor by letting both Shi'a and Sunnis use Syria as a point of entry, just as they do today.
It could be wonderful -- for Infidels.
No, nothing cynical about the way it is to be presented.
Simply "we have done what we came to do. We removed Saddam Hussein. We ended the threat of Uday and Qusay ever reimposing his regime. We captured or killed almost everyone of those cards in that game of Fifty-Two Pickup. We gave the Iraqis (yes, for this speech use the word "Iraqis" as if you believe in it) a new birth of freedom. We helped create the conditions in which political discussion could take place freely. We helped midwife a free election -- the first in the history of the Arab Middle East. We helped the Iraqis draw up a Constitution that fits their purposes and needs. We helped in the establishment first of a temporary government, and now of a permanent, freely elected government. And American soldiers have risked their lives, and some have given their lives, to bring to Iraq the freedoms that they now enjoy.
And they have done more than that. They have helped as Americans helped to build schools, hospitals, power grids, roads. They have protected against steady attack the oil fields on which Iraq depends. They helped to protect the Gulf as Iraq's only port was re-dredged at Umm Qasr. They have done [fill in here].
But now it is time for Iraqis to decide their own future. Democracy is there for them to continue, if they will have it. Democracy cannot exist without a spirit of intelligent compomise, and no outside force can possibly tell the people of Iraq what compromises they must or would be wise to make. That would never work. That would only cause resentment against those offering such advice. We removed a seemingly unmovable tyrant. We ended forever the possiblity of his regime returning. We did this when the people of Iraq could not possibly have done it. And we provided the conditions for the practice of democracy. Now it is up to the people of Iraq themselves. All Americans wish them well, and hope that they will find in themselves that spirit of peaceful compromise that can overcome ethnic and sectarian divisions, the kind we have seen manifest themselves in Iraq, and which are centuries old in origin, even if made worse by the behavior of Saddam Hussein's regime.
[End on any note of pious good wishes you wish here. Sentimentality ad libitum. Then some kind of Good Night and Good Luck to end with.]
There? See? That's not cynical. That's America at its finest.
Hugh advocates abandoning Iraq to the most fanatical elements in the Muslim world, Iran and Al Qaeda, in the hopes they will exhaust each other in an interminable civil war. He ignores the prospect of
1) a Shia triumph with Iranian intervention...or
2) a relatively rapid stalemate in which an accomodation is reached between the two sides - historic enemies coming together is not at all uncommon in that part of the world - and the country effectively partitioned, thus empowering both Iran and Al Qaeda.
Meanwhile, Iraqi Kurds who have finally attained a constitutional autonomy, will be left to their fate as Iraq implodes.
Oh yes, then we have Hugh assuring us with a straight face that
1) after enduring the psychological trauma of walking away, watching Iraq fall into Civil War, and acknowledging that over 2000 young American men and women have died for nothing, the American people will have no problem with a subsequent intervention on behalf of the Iraqi Kurds
2) this one always tickles me, it's so divorced from reality....that we can prevail upon the Turks not only to abandon their clearly enunciated policy of prohibiting the emergence of an independent Iraqi Kurdish polity, but also to acquiesce as Iraqi Kurdistan lops off the Kurdish portions of Syria and Iran so that the only Kurdish region left outside the polity would be Turkey's own Kurdish region, the largest and most disaffected of all. No doubt the Turks will be eager to accept assurances that their own Kurdish region will be off limits to the new Kurdistan.
Hugh is a undoubtedly a brilliant man with an impressive breadth of knowledge. Unfortunately, his enthusiasm sometimes gets the better of him.
I have generally been of the mind that the "preemptive strike" doctrine is not the best notion in the world--I am starting to wonder as of late however...
The world seems to be unraveling at an incredibly rapid pace, which may be an understatement to many here. Eventually someone has to stand up for the integrity/sovereignty/founding principles of the United States as a national entity--sooner, preferably to later...
Is it too late in the 'day' for "nice"...
Maybe it really is "NUKE Iran before they NUKE US"?
Man I don't like where that line of thinking leads, but maybe there is no other choice?
Stalling & appeasement historically have lead to nothing but hurt...
Don't ask me for answers. I am just thinking out loud, and my loudest thoughts would be--"I WANT MY KIDS TO BE SAFE!"
My (albeit slight) hope is that the resistance factor in Iran may prevail and overthrow the regime in power--before it is too late for all of us, including them!
One thing left out in all of the above is that Lebanon doesn't regard Hizbullah as a terror organization. Shouldn't US read Beirut the riot act so that either Hizbullah is disarmed just like all other Lebanese militias, or that an invasion of Lebanon is next on the cards.
But I agree w/ Hugh above - it would be an Infidel's dream to see a terror war between the forces of Zarqawi and Nasrallah. If Hamas, Fatah and Islamic Jihad could be persuaded to take sides in this conflict, so much the better.
As for Cornelius' concerns above
- For the Kurds, I'd keep Turkey out of this, and encourage the Kurds to lay claims not just on Iran and Syria, but on Turkish terretory as well. Since the Kurds are Muslim, they too should not have a stable government, and the PKK should be in the equation. Another positive side effect of this would be that there would be fewer Turks spilling into Europe, as Turkey would be more pre-occupied with its Kurdish problem and trying to dilute the Kurdishness of Turkey by re-settling Islamic malcontents in Turkish Kurdistan. One might see an exodus from Europe in terms of Turkish Muslims.
- Even if Iraq is split up between Iran and al Qaeda, point remains that both countries should be weakened considerably. I believe that once Iran is weakened and the regime falls, the next regime is unlikely to be an Islamic regime, and the Iraqi Shia won't then be satellites of Iran. Besides, Hizbullah is the major source of Revolutionary Guard recruits in Iran that impose Islamic rule.
No, the civil war option is best. With or without Iran, and even with a beligerent Kurdistan.Hugh keeps demanding that the U.S. not take sides in the religious and ethnic violence between Shi'a and Sunni and Kurd and who knows who else. And that instead, if they fight amongst themselves, it weakens worldwide jihad.
The problem is that in practice, it is simply impossible for the U.S. to maintain a strict "hands-off" neutrality. We tried neutrality in two world wars and it didn't work for one reason: As one of the world's major powers (and now we're the only superpower), the various warring factions won't allow us to remain neutral for long. Each faction will try to draw us in, because they want us drawn into the conflict on their side, or in a way so as to give them an advantage.
The U.S. just has too many vital interests in that part of the world for us to just sit back and not care who kills whom and who wins out: Oil. Israel. Oil. Military bases. Oil. If, for example, jihadists sympathetic to al-Qaeda toppled the Saudi royal family and established an al-Qaeda regime in OPEC, we would care a whole lot. And right now, the Shi'a in Iran are a bigger threat to Israel than the Sunnis in Iraq, because even without weapons of mass destruction, the Iranian mullahs have specifically targeted Israel for destruction. That's an inescapable fact.
Plus the fact that terrorists can train to attack America in a country even when it's in the middle of civil war. (The fighting between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance prior to 9-11 didn't prevent al-Qaeda from using Afghanistan as a base to attack America.) We tried doing it Hugh's way in the 1980's when we armed the jihadists in Afghanistan to expel the Soviets from that country. After the Soviets left, the U.S. had succeeded in its geopolitical and strategic objectives. So the U.S. washed its hands of Afghanistan, rather than get involved in the "quagmire" of nation-building and internal civil conflict. And as a result, al-Qaeda moved in, made their deal with the Taliban and that led to 9-11.
It is inevitable that terrorists from that part of the world will come to America to attack us again, no matter how much we try to remain neutral.
Finally, even if we did maintain neutrality, do not assume that the conflict between Shi'a and Sunni would remain a permanent bloody stalemate indefinitely. Eventually, one faction may defeat the other. And then we'll be back to the same problem--a dominant faction that can safely refocus its attention on destroying the "Great Satan" of America and the "Little Satan" of Israel.
Norseman,
If yall are going to wander through the backwoods, better be carful...
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Didd yall ccee thha hamms onnn thhatt oonne.
Just like in the military I will carve a small Christen cross on each round, probably too late to convert them but it made me feel better.
America humanity’s last best hope for mankind.
Posted by: Ronin at June 3, 2006 12:53 PM
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As a wise man said:
"God can't judge 'em until they get there."
Don't ask me for answers. I am just thinking out loud, and my loudest thoughts would be--"I WANT MY KIDS TO BE SAFE!"
Posted by: chronicon at June 3, 2006 07:30 PM
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Open borders and 20,000,000 million plus illegals and terrorists both muslim and mexican one that wants to destroy America and the other that wants to take back America and make it part of Mexico.
With God's blessing, a well armed America, a strong military and one day political leaderhsip that will think more of Americans and America than illegal immigration and international appeal, is the only way we will keep our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren safe for generations to come.
When the 20,000,000 million illegals receive amnesty if not stopped in the House, they will beocme 100 to 150 million in America and we all will be talking spanish and answering to mexican land owners.
It is a two phased war we are fighting and very few realize it.
The war is inevitable. Prepare, be armed be ready.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
Over $400 billion taxpayer dollars for what???
Over 2,300 American soldier lives lost for what???
Civil war in iraq is long over due. The loss of another American or British soldier in iraq trying to stop the civil war is not acceptable.
We need to pull the troops to the gulf and into kurdish lands and let the sunnis and shia battle it out, tell all non-mideast countries to stary out of it and when there is a winner we deal with the winner.
We were told that if we took out Saddam Hussein that we would see suicide bombers in all the major U.S. cities.
Well we didn't did we?
Alarmed Pig Farmer quoted
That's a long time to be connected to the web. I'm surprised that someone didn't track the webcast source in that time and send them a Cruise-Missile-o-Gram. But whatta I know?
That must have made ol' Mohammad blush. I mean here you are, talking directly to Allah, and he dictates a letter for you to tell all humans to follow your example for all time. Wouldn't you think, "I'm not worthy!"? And Mohammad thinking back over all the poets he murdered, all the wars he started, all the loot he pillaged, all the children he raped, he must have really thought "I'm not worthy!".
We were told that if we took out Saddam Hussein that we would see suicide bombers in all the major U.S. cities.
Well we didn't did we?
Posted by: Kay at June 3, 2006 11:27 PM the
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Kay, the mo's have two traits that they use very well:
1. Inconspicously inserting themselves into a neighborhood and living quietly.
2. These sleeper cells work, train, live and play until called on by the mo leadership to do what they have been trained to do just like 9/11.
The mo sleep cells will be bringing havoic to the US, England and Canada when told to by their leadership.
Do not be put to sleep due to no bombs going off, for they are coming.
Prepare, be armed, be ready.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
"Hizballah could strike internationally if US moves against Iran nukes"
All the more reaon to make Iran a sheet of glass.
Of course, to lefties, this is a perfectly reasonable compromise. Afer all, we have Hizballah's word they won't attack anyone after they get nukes from Iran.
That's acceptable. And if they do get nukes and attack the USA or any place else they deem sinfull and corrupt, it will be justified.
Ironically, those places are where all the lefties seem to gather.
Why?
Posted by: Hugh
Because not all Sunni share Zarqawi's views, and not all Shia share Hisballah's views, nor the Iranian Mullahs views.
There are many who want a free Iraq, free from all the islamic religious B.S. and tribal crap.
We cannot let Iraq to fall into either of their hands. If we have to stay there and kill off 90% of the country, then we should.
What's wrong is all the leftist B.S. and political correctness in our own country that is preventing us from doing what needs to be done. Swiftly and decisively. We are our own worst enemy.
What bugs me about Bush is that he is NOT doing the job as it should be done. he won his second term, and he won it because we expected him to roll up his sleaves and finnish the job. It's not as if he needs to win any popularity contests. That's what we re-elected him to do, but he is failing us. THAT is what is going to cost the republicans losses this mid term, they are just too stupid to realize it.
Showing such spineless weakness, all for a future vote, instead of hunkering down and getting the job done shows just what kind of wishy washy back stabbing rino republicans we have. They have to go. Or republicans will loose the whitehouse as well in 08.
"You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone to follow.
--- God "Al lah"[the islamic stone god] commanding Moslems to emulate Mohammed in Koran 33:21
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer
Never mistake "allah" as the real and true "God" (Yahweh) "allah" is NOT an arabic word for god. "ilah" is the arabic word for god.
"Allah" is the rock god's NAME. It is a word that developed from a contraction of "al ilah ta ala" which means "The god most high".
Of the 230 or so rock idols the pagan arabs worshipped in the Ka'aba in Mecca,(which is now "allah's' house (formerly a pile of rocks with no roof)) "allah" was the top rock god, with daughters Al-Uzza, Al-lat, and Menat being literal "chips off the old block". The Koran itself states more than 50 times that "Allah" is the Islamic god's NAME.
You will see in early chapters of Ishaq's writings about Mohammad that pagan Arabs called their rock god allah, which evwn Mohammad himself worshipped before he decided to try become a prophet.
In Mohammad's early prophet days, he called his god "Ar-Rahman".
Ironically, Mohammad was in a cave performing pagan rock god rituals when he claimed Gabriel (SATAN came along and tortured him, trying to make an illiterate man read.
In the bible, angels were always kind and gentle. Not mohammad's demon. He stepped or pressed on him so he couldn't breathe, and demanded he read. The real God would have known Mohammad was illiterate.
Mohammad was terrified of Gabriel. So much so, that he contiplated suicide because he (rightfully) thought he was possesed.
"You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone to follow.
Bukhari:V1B11N617 [Mohammad said] “I would order someone to collect firewood and another to lead prayer. Then I would burn the houses of men who did not present themselves at the compulsory prayer and prostration.”
pray or else!
Bukhari:V4B52N260 “The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.’”
(we know some muslims follow his lead in that regard)
Qur’an 5:51“Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends.”
(unless it's to your advantage. But kill them afterwards)
Tabari VIII:130 “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.”
The men and older boys were murdered, women and children enslaved and raped, often moments after watching their sons and husbands beheaded, their property and possesions looted and divided up among mohammad's band of murdering savages.
What a man to follow.
What a "peaceful religion our media takes such care not to "offend".
Texican,
Sure makes me hungry. How bout you? Throw another zilla on the barby,Please.
Just like in the military I will carve a small Christen cross on each round, probably too late to convert them but it made me feel better.
America humanity’s last best hope for mankind.
Posted by: Ronin at June 3, 2006 12:53 PM
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They really do that in the military??
Can you expound?
And what if we stay in Iraq for another two or twenty years. Let's say you don't agree with Hugh and feel we need to stay the course. So, what is our endgame? Victory? What does this mean? Will Jihadis claim victory if we leave? Of course they will; it is a reality. So what? They'll claim victory in two or twenty years? So what if Turkey invades Kurdistan? How does this harm us? What if Saudi invades to protect the Sunni enclave? or Iran invades to protect her 'interests?'What if the Syrians or Egyptians are toppled and descend into religious war? If oil doubles or tripples it will harm us, but will also force us to move all our resources into alternative energy. Is anything wrong with that? Let the Muslims stew in their own hatred. Let the Algerian youth from France move to Iraq to fight the good fight. Who knows, but maybe the Shia within the House of Saud will start to get some ideas of their own. Bottom line: whatever 'bad' comes out of a US withdrawl cannot be avoided anyway, unless we stay the course. Also, I've been working on a pet theory that if W the Crusader nukes Iran, he would be proclaimed the 12 imman.
biorabbi-
We built them a free government, and that's all any slave nation could ever ask of another country.
Time to phrase out the troops.
Move most to Afghanistan so they can aid in controlling the rising terrorism and chaos, a move which everyone in the West would generally support, both tactically and morally, (all remember the evil Taliban/ Osama/ 9-11), and send some special forces into borders and cities of the Kurdish area, while the rest of the coalition forces could handle the South of Iraq.
A truism:
Let's let the Iraqs handle Iraq.
We've done the EMT work, they now have to handle their own recovery.
(And hundreds of predator drones circling Iraq ...to watch and explode the intentions of the jihadis filtering into the land.)
Opinion be damned, just protect our Civilization.
Exactly right,
I wrote something regarding this days ago but decided not to post it. We went there (Iraq) to stop a maniacal tyrant who had been poking us in the eye for years, and would have, given time, destroyed one of our cities or worse. Saddam is gone I hope! Sons of saddam (even more horrifying) will never happen. Let’s come home already!