US Terror Suspects Not Muslims: CAIR

"We study Allah and the worship of the regular Bible."

Allah is the said god of islam, and to study Allah is to know the worship of the "regular" bible, and that would be the koran, right?

Christian and bombs don't mix, with love to your fellow man, so this is a cover, to blur the sight of those who wish to be mislead.

If they spent time talking to a FBI agent, then look for tapes, recordings, even video to be offered at trial. It will be easy to see all the love from this group being placed on the people of these United states then.

I like the sting operations. We've seen this recently in Britain, Canada, and now this case in the U.S. Obviously the way to fight terrorism is to prevent it from happening.

Apparently, these guys were recorded pledging allegiance to al-Qaeda (actually, an undercover agaent).

The claim that these guys are partly Christian is both funny and annoying. Since when is Christianity compatible with al-Qaeda? Sounds like a cover/camouflage. Granted, it is possible that they have some warped version of Christianity added to their mix, but I challenge anyone to find in the New Testament the verses that could be "misunderstood" and "taken out of context" to justify destroying the Sears tower and everyone in it.

Blaming this on Christianity would be like a drunk blaming his intoxicated state on the soda pop, not on the whiskey added to his mix. Given the inebriated state of the mainstream media, I would not be surprised if they pursued the "Christian terrorists" angle with zeal.

I fully agree with CAIR that these people are not Muslims.

They are simply wannabees.

Now let that thought sink in.

"The Council on American-Islamic Relations, America's largest Islamic civil liberties group that doesn't care about non-Muslim civil liberties in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries, has urged the media not to associate the seven suspects arrested on charges of plotting terrorist attacks in the US with the country's Muslim minority, insisting they were not Muslims. "These people are no different than the so-called Muslims in Darfur," a CAIR spokesperson said as he passed out lapel buttons and bumper stickers that said, "STOP THE ISLAMAPHOBIA IN DARFUR".

Islamaphobes in Darfur
-not real Muslims-not real people...

http://ec.europa.eu/echo/field/sudan/darfur/index_en.htm

These men appeared to be part of some sort of Islamic cult not unlike the "Nation of Islam" which practices its own brand of Islam.Still, the reality is these men wanted to engage in "jihad" to "kill the devils", they also swore allegiance to Osama Bin Laden and sought help from Al-Qaeda. They look and sound like Muslims to me. It's foolish for CAIR to try to claim otherwise.

How would CAIR know?

Unless they have interviewed the perps and have determined, though admissable-in-court evidence, whether or not these 7 lunatics have professed their "Shahada", or the official oath-of-allegiance to the pedophile warlord's terroristic playbook?

This off-the-cuff stuff will no longer cut it.

Hold them in Gitmo and see how long it is before CAIR start to make protestations on their behalf.

Did they recite the shehada? If yes, case closed.

Oh, boo hoo. Uh, shut up, CAIR. I don't CARE what you say! (lol)

Back to the real point. Send them to Gitmo. Get everyone's freakin' mind on that, and get our men out of prison for Haditha.

If they do not believe it is wrong to blow people up in the ME, they what are they guilty of? Not a damn thing. The terrorists press charges by lying, and we listen? We are going to hell fast.

Fine.

So these guys are a bunch of black 'wannabe-jihadis'- who wanted to do all the 'right things for the wrong reasons'-

CAIR sez they are NOT muslim, we see them as die-hard muslims,

if they had succeeded they would be 'martyrs'-

CAIR would have said 'they are not Muslims' and the 'muslim-wolrd' would have danced in ecstasy if they did blow up with the tower...
they would have been 'heroes...'

I think the US has to start doing some house-cleaning...

It is TIME for both the Muslim community and CAIR to start doing a "a little house cleaning ".

US Terror Suspects Not Muslims: CAIR

Is Pope Benedict XVI not Catholic?

CAIR is right. These are not Moslems. These are Moslem wannabes.

Sheik Yer'mami has it right. They are guilty of conspiracy to be Islamo Killers of Infidels or Infi"devils."

David England says,

'CAIR is right. These are not Moslems. These are Moslem wannabes.'

On the contrary, their pathological condition satisfies the criteria to be Muslim. Though their inability to realise their aspirations makes them al-Qaeda wannabes.

It seems as if the Legal Jihad and related shakedown tactic of threatening anyone who remotely criticizes Muslims with lawsuits is not working as well as it did years ago. I sense a growing percentage of the populace becoming fed up with the PC/TC swamp that has permeated our nation.

At least one can hope.

We have always wanted muslims to speak out against terrorist muslims.

Funny; now CAIR is really speaking out against terorist muslims!
They can't wait to dissassociate themselves from these idiots.
So is CAIR really saying we only approve of "real" terrorists? We disapprove of terrorists who we don't consider muslim?

Think about it. CAIR loves the "real deal" terrorist!! But not these "wannabe's".

I am beginning to think there are too many sects around. They seem to be a tad affected in the head. These guys in Florida need to be isolated from other sane people

"CAIR would have said 'they are not Muslims' and the 'muslim-wolrd' would have danced in ecstasy if they did blow up with the tower...
they would have been 'heroes...'

I think the US has to start doing some house-cleaning...

Posted by: sheik yer'mam"

Spot on, Sheik! CAIR obviously doesn't like "failed" jihadi's!!

Quick, make space at Gitmo!

So the mouthpiece for one bizarre cult group doesn't want his bizarre cult group associated with the bizarre cult group in Florida. I'm confused. The thing that is clear is that wherever you find the Koran, you find people who want to blow up and kill other people.

According to The Times, Batiste and his group are members of a sect called "Seas of David" which is an off-shoot of "The Moorish Science Temple of America", a cult formed in the early 20th century. The cult's theology appears to be a mish-mash of Christianity, Scientology, Islam and black supremacism - with a fair dose of Freemasonry thrown in. Some interesting facts; the cult spawned "The Nation of Islam" and many followers reverted to orthodox Islam, one of whom (Clement Hampton) became a known Al Quaeda terrorist, Dr Rashid.

Read about it here:
www.rotten.com/library/religion/moorish_science_temple_of_america/

Kate

Posted by: Kate at June 25, 2006 10:02 AM
I'll try that link again!

http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/moorish_science_temple_of_america/

Kate

All this proves is how quickly the Muslim traditions and the Qur'an can create criminals, militants and traitors to the state.

CAIR can't run from the truth for much longer. I doubt Hooper can run past a Burger King at all.

"Read about it here:
www.rotten.com/library/religion/moorish_science_temple_of_america/

Kate"

Now I have seen everything. I think I am going to roll on the floor with laughter!

Thanks for the link, Kate.

Foehammer
Do you think he will have some bacon on his burger?? Nothing would surprise.

Does CAIR have a position on the larger Racist Nazi Black Muslim movement in the US. Do they consider these vermin to be fellow Muslims or not? Anyone have any data on this? I'm sure if there's any solidarity between these respective hate groups, it's only a veneer.

Let's get them denouncing each other for their respective lack of Muslimness according to each. Let's get them attacking each other for their respective racism and mutual disrespect.

This is always the Achilles heel of ALL Muslim sects within Islam. They can only unify by focusing their limitless hatred and rage on external enemies for they know for certain that if Islam doesn't do this, the carnage within the sanctum of Islam itself would rip Islam to shreds.

I'm sure that the Racist Arabist at CAIR have nothing but contempt for Blacks and Islam in America. Just so, dig a little under the delicate membrane of "Elija Muhammad's" insane sect, and the putrescent heart of "Proud BLACK Nation of Islam" won't find that the Arabs are quite black enough for their own delectation. Aim these missiles at each other. Let them rip each other to shreds, while we smile from the sidelines.

Correction: While we watch dispassionately and with furrowed brows from the sidelines.

I'm always amazed at how many African-Americans don't realize that "Moors" were predominantly Arabs and that Cleopatra was neither Black nor Arab: she was Greek.

History classes really aren't doing the job are they?

He said the group blends the teachings of Christianity and Islam.
Impossible! Light meet darkness, allah meet the G-d of Israel. Reading the qur'an and sunnah and hadiths should be mandatory (without muslim apologetics)

If the religion of Islam were to have just appeared in the past couple of years, everyone would call it a dangerous cult. They dress their women in unusual garb, dont allow them to drive cars or even talk on cell phones. They pay their members to blow themselves up to kill others. During high holy days their members frequently perform acts of self torture such as whiping themselves with chains. In other religious observances, they work themselves into such a frenzy they have been known to kill many of their brothers by trampling them to death. Their leaders frequently call for the deaths of others, and frequently their members comply with their orders.
It kinda makes the Jim Jones or the Heaven's Gate cult look good by comparison.
It is even better when CAIR blanches at the comparison. But lets see, the Sea of David guys liked to dress alike in garb that covered all of themselves but their eyes, they liked to participate in military style activities evn though they weren't an organized army, and their leaders called for death and destruction, only their members hadn't complied with their orders yet. Sounds to me like CAIR sould be flattered by the comparison as at least the Sea of David guys weren't murderers yet. But, for the most part, it sounds pretty much the same.

Listen i understand that this issue is hitting a sore nerve, so finally the worshippers of the bible have been accused of what muslims are being accussed of, well firstly i implore people not to start burning their copies of the bible and i beg gw bUSh not to invade the vatican. we must not let these people who represent the christian faith, allow us to stigmatise christianity, after all with the exception of the crusades, inquisition, 21st century crusade, Hitler, massacre of Bosnians ect christianity is on the whole a religion of peace.

i noticed that something was wrong, when the term islam, islamic, muslim ect was not being used in every sentence(to brainwash people), however what the media have done is manipulated peoples ignorance to decieve them into believing that the jedeo-christian militant extremist were muslims. dont worry the media will not go out of their way to change this, and i think that the identity, beliefs and drive of these people will be pushed under the carpet, leaving people to use their limited imaginations to paint a picture of radical muslims.

hahahahahahahahahahah. u lot can deny, all u want but they were christians and thats the bottom line coz reality said so11111111

Any kids out there ... Just say no to drugs.

western infidel: "Just say no to drugs."

And be extra sure to say no to "skunk" in particular, whatever that is...

The biggest reason I think Islam will ultimatewly be unveiled as a cult is this: leaving it constitutes a right for Muslims to kill you. If that isn't a cultist red flag, what is?

Caroline-

"Skunk" is a term used in Dutch "coffeshops" for their cheap, homegrown pot [cannabis sativa], so one assumes that it has filtered into England under this same name. (I guess it smelled vaguely skunk-like, thus the cute name.)

Most Dutch who indulge in "softdrugs" smoke hashish- smuggled in from Morocco and Lebanon and Afghanistan- not marijuana. So salad-bowl was apparently getting scammed by the cunning Hollanders (or their UK representatives) who sold him the sub-standard junk while they retained the real "stuff" (Dutch slang for cannabis is also "stof") for themselves.

I lived in the The Netherlands for a while, and have Dutch friends who grew up in the culture, although I prefer a fine Caberet Sauvignon or crisp Fume Blanc, myself. More antioxidants and less potential for genetically-engineered/potentially poison-laced tricks being played by the Ummah on the unsuspecting Europeans through their unskeptically ingesting something brought in from Muslim lands. It seems a little naive, at best. (Plutonium dust or anthrax could be mixed in with hashish resin, undetectably, and slowly weaken the Europeans. But who would even think of such a thing?)

Wow profitsbeard -- I like the cut of your jib. That's the kind of out-of-the-box thinking our regimented guvvies just can't come up with. It's the kind of thing I often spend my spare time thinking about (I know -- gotta get a life...) There's no forum to discuss it though. I've thought of approaching the "intelligence" community -- but somehow think they'd turn their gaze on me in a scary kind of way, rather than listening to anything I have to say about how we are imperiled.

Also: thanks for defining "skunk". Though we're immersed in all manner of things in Hollywood -- it takes some time for the ways and means of the world to filter up/down to us so the geniuses can figure out how to make a buck in movies, books, and television.

It is interesting how quickly CAIR can judge that these 7 were not Muslims. Perhaps their CAIR membership dues are in arrears. More likely they failed one of the five pillar tests and haven’t yet been seen in Mecca or skipped their daily prayers. To the untrained eye, they seem to hate the great Satan enough. Unlike the imams who in the comfort & safety of Islam utopia shout “death to America” they try to deliver. Who knows, maybe these guys were on CAIR’s last list of aggressions committed against Muslims in the US under neglect to serve water when requested at 3 AM jihadist maneuvers category.

PB - oh. Thanks for that explanation. I was surmising it referred to something more nefarious, like meth or aerosol can sniffing. I wonder if the term "skunk" comes from skunk-"weed" - sort of a play on words? In any case, I have to wonder whether our Muslim poster didn’t run into something a little more damaging than pot to cause his IQ to apparently dip by some 20 points (by his own admission). Of course, he didn’t explain whether the second IQ test took place before or after he discovered Islam.:-)

What makes one crime worse than another? It's often the intent that brings the prosecution to seek the death penalty or a more severe sentence. The same principle is engaged here.

The conspirators believed that they were a sect of Islam: they read the Koran, they prayed, the sought to emulate the jihadis, to wage war against the United States, and they swore an oath of allegiance to al-Qaeda -- theologically their claim to Islam is weak, but in all practical purposes, their intent was 100% -- guilty on all counts.

Profitsbeard
Skunk is "skunk weed", a particularly potent form of marajuana that orginated and was grown in Humbolt County California in the 1970's. There are a couple of explantions for the name. One, the weed itself had been genetically altered to increase potency, had an off odor, so people started to call it skunk weed. There was also a narrow gague railroad that operated in that same area that the weed was grown in, it was called the skunk train. It still operates as a tourist attraction.
The term skunk would be to describe the strength of what they were selling there, as I doubt they would take the trouble to import Humbolt county skunk weed to Europe. They were trying to sell product with a recognized name.

jsla-

The counter-intelligence services should get out more.

(If they want to hire someone... oh, say, like me... as a mole [OT "El Topo" being one of my favorite films] to infiltrate Dutch Muslim immigrant aid societies/interfaith groups/"moderate" mosques, I'd be glad to- my Dutch is better than most Muslims' in Rotterdam- and they can contact me through Mr. Spencer. [...sound of crickets chirping?...] I know the anti-American patter perfectly, and my accent in English was usually mistaken for Canadian[?] by people in Holland, so I could play that angle as well [Yankee-mocking Maoist snob from Toronto, perhaps]. Plus, I'm doing the Berlitz Arabic [Egyptian] thing. Fee hahd HE-nah bee-yit-KAL-lim en-ge-LEE-zee? ("Does anyone here speak English?")

Their usual filters (Harvard/West Point/Georgetown etc.) remove too much of the hard-knocks reality that used to be a mainstay of the John Buchan era of up-from-the-street/risen-out-of-the-ranks agents. {"Greenmantle" anyone?]

Caroline-

Islam is the PCP [angel dust] of "religions", and I think salad bowl's IQ was more corkscrewed by it than any earthly bad chemistry. (Although the henna in Mohammad's beard does appear to have leeched [sic] to his cranium.)

GrimReaperXXX-

The Dutch probably did appropriate a Californian 'brand name' for their mediocre homegrown variety to 'class it up'. (I never asked for the etymology.) I made it to The Smothers Brothers winery north of SFO , but never the 'skunk train'.

(Wouldn't that be a 'narrow ganga' railroad?)

Why would they be trying to "hide" what they "really are?" There's always been a lot of religious syncretism; that idealists want to fuse all that's good in two or more religions isn't new or surprizing even if that intent is rarely the result--more often it's the worst of both: one thing's for sure: it's always the most convenient parts. "Sea of David" is interesting. I wonder what it means. We had the Branch Davidians which is easier to understand, the Messiah coming from, as Isaiah said, "a branch of David." But "each of us is a sea?" It sounds a bit like anthroposophisty: "As above, so below." Complete drivel, in other words. A lot of high-up Nazis were into that syncretistic crap. One thing's for sure: it's a rationalization for evil, evil being that thing that sophisticates says no longer exists, is old hat, out of fashion, etc... The mindlessness continues... Geez, the Portugese must've won today -- Dundas street in Toronto is noisy as hell.

hahaha. sea here? u kowurdlee krischin crusaydurs r az badd az us! awl u nead too due is cummit faiv touzand morr terorrist akts in faiv yeers, and u'll bee att hour levvil.

alalalah akbar! and awl dat,
urs trooly,
saladfork

Grim reaper your definition of skunk is accurate, the Profitsbeard; u lived in amsterdam, in london skunk is the general term for weed such as Northern lights, white widow ect we just call it skunk,

Grimereaper, your wrong the things u stated which makes islam in your opinion a cult, are infact cultural things, and out of 1.5 b people, only 1m or so do that torture thing, their a small percentage of the shia population.

Of course if CAIR says it it must be true, right? So these are "wannabe" muslims who blended together the bible and the quran? That means if they got caught they would claim to be Christians, and if they had succeeded they would claim to be muslims. Sounds like an old TV plot:
"As always, should you or any of your force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions...."

Blaming this on Christianity would be like a drunk blaming his intoxicated state on the soda pop, not on the whiskey added to his mix. Given the inebriated state of the mainstream media, I would not be surprised if they pursued the "Christian terrorists" angle with zeal.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2006 02:21 AM

Oh you can bet that the MSM will have a heyday with this one, relying on CAIR as an undisputed authority on what is "Islamic" and what is not. The pundits will be ecstatic to finally have some "Christian" terrorists to add to their list of one; Timothy McVeigh, who didn't count anyway but he is called a "Christian" terrorist by the media and Muslims every day.

The bottom line is this: Al Qaeda is an Islamic terrorist organization and they aspired to be members. Their motives are unclear, but there is no doubt that the ideology of Islam inspired them. These amateurs sound like wannabe gang thugs, eager for action and notoriety, a group of young losers with too much time on their hands. Maybe some of them were introduced to Islam in prison, who knows? With their attitudes, I wouldn't doubt if some of them have been there.

It's amazing that anyone, even a muslim, would attribute Hitler's insanity to Christianity. Hitler hated Christianity and planned to abolish its practice.

Simpletons like saladfork and other mohammedans apply this equation to Timothy McVeigh when playing The Moral Equivalency Game™:

x + y = z,

where x = Caucasion and y = non-mohammedan, it follows that z = Christian

Basic allah-gebra.

Sala-pupu posted:

"..Grim reaper your definition of skunk is accurate, the Profitsbeard; u lived in amsterdam, in london skunk is the general term for weed such as Northern lights, white widow ect we just call it skunk..."

Posted by: salahudin

Look at him: Now you know what business he's in!

What else are you selling, Koran-student???

William-Wallace-Ellerslie is the same guy as John Howard et al.

americaningermany -- Don't waste your time.