“Youths” Kick Man to Death on Crowded Antwerp Bus

There were some forty people on the bus.

That man did not have to die, 40 people could have stopped the "yutes" in their tracks.

Unbelievable. Where was the driver? Where was the radio? Where were the backbones of the other 40 passengers?
I hope I would react differently than the other riders...

Those people need a good dose of backbone. All it would take for those "youths" to learn some manners would be for a group of them to get the snot kicked out of them. This is one case of where I *would* like to see a case of "mob" justice.

Dang, these "youths" could have used some "Davey and Goliath" on TV when they were growing up.

But I guess muslims don't have any decent moral examples to emaulate. Why do they even bother to say they follow Jesus/Isa? I would run like hell from the muslim version of Jesus. The muslim Isa would probably beat up the Good Samaritan.

How can idiot people think these two cililizations are compatible? It's sheer lunacy.

Who was on the bus?

Hugh, must have been full of moderate Muslims looking the other way while a kafir got kicked to death...

This from France:

Back in January of this year, a delicatessen owner and caterer named Guy Lefèvre was accused of discriminatory hiring practices when he refused to hire a Muslim who would not touch pork meat. Lefèvre was given a two-month suspended sentence, fined 500 euros, and ordered to pay 4,000 euros in damages to the French Muslim.

Lefèvre's son made the following statement: "My father was looking for kitchen help for his deli. L'ANPE sent us 30 applicants. Several of them asked if they would have to touch pork. Obviously they would. My father called back L'ANPE to ask that they include this job specification in their ad. And that's when the whole thing turned vicious." And so Guy Lefèvre found himself before the court of Compiègne for discrimination.

Later during the night of February 22-23, Guy Lefèvre was beaten unconscious at his home by five migrant workers and rushed to the hospital. Two of the five were given 10-month prison terms, one received a 5-month sentence. Two minors were sent to juvenile court.

Guy Lefèvre has appealed the Compiègne verdict, and his case will be judged on October 4, 2006, by the Appeals Court of Amiens.

http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/

Hugh, must have been full of moderate Muslims looking the other way while a kafir got kicked to death...

Posted by: Daffersd

When interviewed by the media they were heard to say: "That is not islam, we do not support kicking to death."

...apparently 40 very intimidated passengers

What's the cutoff age for being considered a "youth" in terrorist profiling? Someone could get offended there, and we all know how easily "humiliation" seems to trigger terrorist acts.

Among "males."

Carolyn2, lol, he was not innocent, he stopped them from furthering their domination over the bus.

Some guy on Brussels Journal talks about how he shot at multiple attackers in self-defence after being forced to flee into his apartment. Judge gives him three months of "suspension" (not sure what that refers to, maybe his school) for excessive violence. I imagine that a similiar or worse outcome would not be suprising in Finland, where self-defence seems to be semi-illegal, especially if firearms are involved. People have also gotten in legal trouble for trying to help someone who is being attacked or harassed.

Best incident ever, though: a man was raping and beating a woman in the middle of the street with many people witnessing it, and nobody did anything. I mean, come on... there has to be some point where people stand up and fight? Or will even the most outrageous crime go unchallenged by everyone except the police, who arrive too late?

I just lost my temper. This avoiding the issue with euphemisms like "youths" and "males" in the two articles while avoiding the word muslim is pissing me off.

Why? Because muslims may riot like they did over harless cartoons if we use the "M" word?

So what, get a backbone MSM and call a spade a spade and call a murderer a muslim!

I noticed the paper intentionally used quotes around "youths." I have to wonder if the writer was almost protesting the policy of his paper?

Let me get this straight, 40 other people were on the bus and did nothing to help???? At the very least, no one had a cell phone camera to take pictures for police ID later?

Honestly I don't know what I would have done in that same situation. I was not their and I am no hero. However I can tell you this much, I couldn't sit their and watch someone get beaten like that.... Especially when he was standing up for everyone else on the bus....

With 40 people on board their wasn't enough of them together to do anything at all but watch the beating and run at the first chance, otherwise LEAVING HIM ON THE BUS ALONE WITH THE ATTACKERS????? All they could do was run away at the first stop??????

It may have been all women, children and elderly on the bus who are unable to physically stand up and take on the "youths". Otherwise, if this is any indication of how the people of Belgium are going to respond to muslim aggression, they have some real problems.

If this is the prevalent attitude of Europeans when confronted by barbarism then maybe Europe is already lost. If they wont stand up and defend their fellow citizens, what expectations can we have they will resist the Islamist threat? It's as if self defence is some sort of crime over there. Sickening, just sickening.

If no defensive weapons no matter how humane they may be are allowed for protection then such results can and simply will be expected.

Several years ago I was enjoying breakfast on a quiet early sunday morning at a Denny's restaurant in Los Angeles when 4 hispanic males attired in gang clothing came in with an hispanic female. The restaurant had probably less than 6 other mostly elderly customers at the time. Their demeanor appeared somewhat cocky from the outset and they seated themselves out of eyes view from the rest of the customers, including myself. They where talking very loudly amongst themselves for a few minutes when suddenly a chair came sailing into the aisle and the waitress serving them came yelling for help from any of the customers. I went to check on the commotion, since I was by far the youngest and biggest guy in the restaurant, (where was DC Watson when I needed him?). three males wher seated in the booth while a forth male was violently attacking the female by throwing silverware and salt shakers at her point blank as hard as he could from 5ft away. I yelled for him to stop, but he continued his attack. When he picked up a bottle of ketchup that is when I jumped him. Needless to say I was trying to protect the female but all the other gang bangers began attacking me. fortunatley I was able to throw them off of me and retreat to find a TV tray as a guard against the attack. I suffered several black and blue marks and cuts but otherwise I was okay. They all ran out giving gang signs in the middle of street and the girl stayed inside as a customer locked the door. During the melee no one came to my aid,no one called 9-11, and the hispanic manager locked herself in her office. Sometimes fear simply paralzese people from doing the right thing as in this case.

Denny's fired the manager for failing to turn on the video stream, and failing to call 9-11.

Hmm... The bus have been on it's way to France.

Now, Belgium has a 2nd Amendment, right.....?

Where is Charles Bronson when you need him?
Or Clint eastwood for that matter?

I just wish that SOMEONE would start to clean the streets of these scum and although legally would be nice, all too often the swine escape serious punishment. (Look what happened in Australia when 4 lifesavers intervened). If the authoritues do not act then vigilantes with their innate lack of accuracy and discretion may be forced to do so and wont the pigs squeal then?.

I had the privilige of meeting a young man who was breaking into a local shop when the owner accosted him. The intruder was carrying the device he had used to gain entry and attempted to use it as a weapon. But the owner took it off him and gave him quite a hiding resulting in several fractures although none major. Guess who was charged with assault? Guess who received damages?

I am buying a lock for my long unused gun cupboard and also buying 2 items to place within it. Strangely enough my wife agrees with this decision, in fact, it was her idea.

It has taken just one group less than a decade to undermine 60 years of security in the west.

Time to do something about it.

30 people fled the bus, did it not accure to them that by teaming up they could have stopped them and probably given the "youths" an attitude ajustment.

i would have loved to of seen the 6 youths try that on a bus in morocco or any other muslim country

Just glancing at the comments below the article there is some talk of Belgium being gripped in a state of fear. I ass/u/me they mean a crimewave and apathy. NYC and other cities went through this in the 60's and 70's. The infamous woman calling for help while people watched from their windows and no one even called the police.

Times have changed and NYC is a different place now. And the USA is a different county after 911.
I think we are a more conservative and concerned society now.

I know that for sure this 4th of July I will be be extra thankful that I live in the United States and that we have our problems with hardworking/decent Mexican immigrants and not muslim immigrant workers.

p.s. Sal, why would they do that in Morocco or any in other muslim country? There probably are no westerners their to persecute...

I'm not into Sci-Fi but does anyone else see parallels with H.G Wells' The Time Machine.
These Muslim Morlock 'youth' cannibalising the Western Eloi in the year 2006 instead of 802701?

The Second Amendment, which has its points, will never be accepted in Europe. But it will be clear soon that a much larger presence of plainclothesmen will be required on the streets of cities in Western Europe if Infidels are to feel safe. And not only plainclothesmen, but also transit police will have to be put everywhere in place, on subways and busses. Thought will have to be given to training, and arming, drivers and, where they exist, conductors. Drivers must have the ability to immediately summon the police.

But there must be much more. Selected members of the public should be trained in firearms, and given permission to carry weapons. In Israel, almost everyone has gone through such training and many possess weapons at home. A citizen-army, on the streets at all times, can usefully supplement the regular forces of order.

Finally, the countries of the E.U. have reduced their "draft" to nothing, or to something symbolic -- in France, one day of service. Why not, after the rapprochement of all those old European enemies with each other? Why not, now that the Cold War is over? Here's why not: the enemy is not in another European country and not even a state. It is those whose belief-system causes them to regard the people among whom they live as essentially temporary masters of places which, sooner or later, must fall to the best of people, to those who properly and fully recognize Allah and Muhammad as his prophet, and who have been given an ideological license to take from the Infidels, both their property and "their women," helping themselves to a kind of informal Jizyah before the formal mechanisms can be established.

European countries should consider re-instituting a one-year draft. Wars between European states may be over; Russia may no longer be a threat. But wars within countries are only beginning. Young males (and possibly females) should have basic training in martial arts and in the use of weapons. They should be provided with some ability to defend themselves, to be ready to be called into action, and to be familiar with weaponry and have undergone a modicum of military discipline. This will change their attitude, their behavior. They will be less inclined to practice the blind sauve-qui-peut that was apparently practiced by over 30 people on the bus. If taught to fight, they may be more willing to fight back.

In Israel, one knows that almost all Israelis have had military training, and that more than a few civilians have weapons close at hand. This does not frighten. This comforts. And it may make events such as the one described above, less likely. It is too late for Guido Demoor, a train conductor apparently on his way to work (and thus a passenger, one assumes), beaten to death by three Moroccans. But that is one example. There have been, and will be, many others.

This is almost reminiscent of the story of 600 passengers being cowered by 24 Muslim youths on that TGV train in Paris in the early hours of New Years Day. These Muslims know that Western Europeans are soft and gutless. I doubt these thugs would have got away with this sort of thing in Eastern European countries like Serbia, Poland or the Ukraine, or in a country like Mexico, where harsh upbringings make them hard - just like the Western Europeans of 100 years ago used to be. I have pictures of ancrestors from 100 or more years ago, and they looked tough, grizzled, and were covered in grime, and were made tough by working down the pit.

Western Infidel says "I'm not into Sci-Fi but does anyone else see parallels with H.G Wells' The Time Machine.
These Muslim Morlock 'youth' cannibalising the Western Eloi in the year 2006 instead of 802701?"

I do like watching science fiction stories, but wouldn't it be wonderful if it were possible to go back to the Middle East in 600AD carrying a few firearms and ammunition, and look for a certain guy named Mohammed. Think of all the trouble that would have been saved during the following 1,400 years.

Yes, it is like the Eloi and the Morlocks. There the behavioural patterns were the result of evolutionary change; here, they are cultural.

Allan Bloom once said that it was an interesting exercise in philosphy in itself to trace how a word (virtue) which had "once meant the manliness of men had come to mean the womanliness of women".

In advanced settled urbanized civilizations the ability to get on with people is valued highly, and aggressiveness is looked down upon, because this is what makes life run smoothly in such societies. It gets to the point where people are unable to be aggressive where a situation warrants it. However, one assumes people will soon learn to become so, as order breaks down in the new Europe that has been thoughtlessly and ignorantly wished upon Europeans by their masters in Brussels.

When reality is stranger than fiction...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_Dracula

Well the reality show version has islam here with us so I'll live by Goethe's creed: "What does not kill me makes me stronger."

After reading this story, my first reaction was: "Why would I ever authorize the sending of American troops to help save Europe from the Muslim menace if these people do not even have the courage to stand up for themselves?"

Europe, I pray, is not all this ridiculously cowed and terrorized. If it is, I will have to say a fond farewell to Europe now and make clear that I would never want to see more American blood spent on European soil, in any future, if this is the kind of people we would be saving.

If that had been me on that bus with Mr. Demoor, I would probably be answering questions right now for having killed 2 of those "youths" with my bare hands. A pity that brave man had to die defending sheep.

And that`s exactly why,the UN wants to take away our right to bear arms.
They don`t want to disarm the world,the simply want to disarm America.

Spirit of 1683,

It makes a good joke; but as Ibn Warraq makes clear in Why I Am Not a Muslim, the historical evidence for Mohammed is almost completely absent and the texts so much later than they purport to be, that the "historical Mohammed" is nothing more than a handful of desert sand. The legendary figure we have is, in effect, what it suited the Arabs of a later date to make him. Sure, it makes sense to criticize the revolting persona of the Mohammed that we have, as that is what these primitives, lacking critical methods and credulously accepting these ridiculous texts, believe in. But really he was just some tribal robber chieftan about whom we have no reliable knowledge. Returning to the past and killing the thug would make no difference, as the legends would simply be written around some other figure. The Arabs in the period when the Koran was concocted wanted an equivalent to the figure of Moses all to themselves and they would have found one somewhere.

Where's General Pershing when we need him...

This story illustrates why:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

is so important to the well being of any civilized society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

We need to not only defend our right to keep them, we need to defend our right to use them too without persecution if the time comes. We need to vote anyone out of office who would tread on us.

U.S. citizens: the primaries are today. VOTE TODAY!

Here is my recommendation for European males: the ASP baton. Keep one of these in your pocket or backpack or in a belt holster. Smaller ones are easily concealed.

http://www.asp-net.com/Products/Family.asp?SectionID=1

After reading this, I'm going to be ordering a new one for myself. I have been trained in the use of the ASP and on that bus it would have ended the problem quickly.

Squire, I was just thinking of Dracula and the Vlad the Impaler story recently. I guess its all this talk that 'we are doomed' and 'what will we do in the face of the giant conquerer ilsam?'

Eventually there will be another Vlad Tepes.

And to think that this one mans deeds in stopping the advance of islam have lived with us today almost 600 year later as the legend of Dracula.

He was the Osama Bin Laden of the west in many ways. And like King Arthur or Freidrich Barbarossa his spirit will rise again when its most needed.

Very disturbing.
Hard to believe that this is the country that Jean Claude Van Damme is from. Where are all the soccer hooligans? Don't they like getting into fights? Why can't they form a Guardian Angels patrol on the buses and subways? Oh, that's right, they have been programmed to hate their own imperialistic culture and country almost as much as America and Israel.

I guess that is what 40+ years of Eurabian multicultural PC indoctrination gets you, a big yellow stripe down your back, and a lethal dose of self loathing.

These people aren't worth saving. Let 'em stew in their own mess, and let the ones who have any sense come to America to help us fight islam.

The only ones who behaved sensibly were the Serbs and Clinton took care of them for the muslims.

That man did not have to die, 40 people could have stopped the "yutes" in their tracks

Carolyn2, there is an old saying that goes something like "What does the wolf care how many sheep there are?"

The existential question to non-Muslim Europe is "are there any non-sheep left?"

Hugh, Finland has mandatory military service (minimum of six months, females can volunteer) or civil service. There was recently an incident on a train where someone attacked the train conductor with a knife, but a few conscripts subdued him and saved the conductor's life. Maybe it was because of their training, maybe it wasn't. Most of the male population has military training, but we have "man cannibalized in broad daylight, 100 bystanders do nothing" incidents all the same.

I got relieved of service within a week due to mental health reasons. I was initially enthusiastic about it, but I quickly realized that I wasn't ready for it, and most likely will never be. It wasn't because of abuse or bullying (both of which are rare in there, and strictly againts policy), I just have some issues. Regardless, I still think that a conscription army is better for us than an entirely professional one. At least we have something in common with Israel, which can only be a good thing.

I do practise martial arts, for the sole purpose of self-defence. However, since I don't live in Helsinki, I don't expect that I'll have to fend off gangs of "youths" in the near future. I'm sure that will eventually change.

GreatShaitan, sorry about the Vlad reference, its just that there seems that there appears to be no reciprocity in these "youths" attacks. Even microbes eventually formulate defenses. This is insane!

Isn't the Belgian government responsible for the safety of its own citizens?!!!

I would hope the bus was full of blind elderly people in wheelchairs. This is insane. How can a person with a conscience stand by and let this happen?

Europe, the land where men are men and sheep are scared.

Pathetic.

Hey squire, no need to apologize for and Vlad reference =) I was thinking that his story is a positive influence.

Maybe its because I wrote that 'Vlad was the OBL of the west' it threw you off. What I meant by that is simply he's a man who commited atrocities and became a legend.

Not that Vlad's atrocities are the same as OBL. Good heavens, no! Vlad the Impaler = good for us
OBL = bad bad for us

More proof that the touchy-feely approch does not work...

"i would have loved to of seen the 6 youths try that on a bus in morocco or any other muslim country

Posted by: salahudin"

Far from stopping such beatings, Muslims would simply join other Muslims. You can find pictures of Muslim mobs beating helpless non-Muslims to death, for example, at the following webstie, which shows one such recent atrocity in Banglandesh. The victim, Mr. Vinal Patak, made the mistake of happening to be walking by a mosque when Friday Prayers let out, and the Muslims, whipped up into an anti-Infidel frenzy by the khutba (sermon), grabbed the first Hinidu they could find.

Here is the link:

http://www.mukto-mona.com/human_rights/ethnic_clensing_Bangladesh.html

And of course, there are videos of decapitations, of Americans (Berg and Pearl), of British (Kenneth Bigley), of Russians, of Hindus (Gurkhas from Nepal), of Infidels of a dozen countries. And those videos are all over the web, designed to be recruiting tools. Nothing to be ashamed of in the view of those who put them up. Not at all. Recruiting tools.
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There was also the case not too long ago of a French teenager, Benjamin Vanseveren, who, while walking through a souk in Fez, Morococo with his family was stabbed in the heart by a djellaba-wearing man shouting 'Allahu Akbar'.

http://www.france-echos.com/actualite.php?cle=8124

See ladies and gentlemen, I really appreciate your outrage and agree with most of you (except Salahuddin whose point I dont understand).
But I doubt if any of us would have reacted differently. I dare say no. These things are imbibed in you as a person subject to the daily incidents of hooliganism. You subconciously warn yourself to remain as much uninvolved as possible. You only read about these in the papers. And suddenly, you see once such incident. What do you do? The years you spent warning your kids and the youngsters to stay away from such incidetns suddenly affects you too. You do the exact same thing.

The only thing I would have done which I am sure some of them did too, was call the police. I, very frankly wouldnt get involved directly.

Salahudin...you must be a member of HAMAS...

"And those [beheading] videos are all over the web..."

According to the French journalist Bernard Henri-Levy, copies of the beheading video of Daniel Pearl were selling at the front doors of major mosques in Pakistan, including the former capital Karachi, and selling like hotcakes.

Are the Dutch meekly standing by while their countrymen are being "harvested" by the Muslims? This would not have happened 60, 70 or so years ago, people fought, when the odds were against them they resisted.

Mohd Is Satan wrote: "You subconciously warn yourself to remain as much uninvolved as possible."

I pretty much agree. And that is why I pointed out that NYC went through a liberal phase like that from the late 50's to the 1980's. It wasn't just Mayor Gulliani who changed NY into the safer, cleaner place it is today, it was the also people of New York City--black and white--who said enough is enough to crime.

A friend always reminds me the pendulum of our nation is swinging back to the conservative side. It is.

Europe may be on the other end of that pendulum now with its people afraid to get involved because muslim criminals are protected by anti-racist laws but Europe it is Europeans home. If they want to keep it they will have to do what they have to to keep it.

And in that kind of Europ the muslim scumbags will be afraid to get out of their seats on a bus.

Adobe wrote:

It may have been all women, children and elderly on the bus who are unable to physically stand up and take on the "youths". Otherwise, if this is any indication of how the people of Belgium are going to respond to muslim aggression, they have some real problems.
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There is almost always something a bystander can do, even if they are not able to physically take on an attacker.

I've intervened in a few cases (admittedly nothing this vicious), and I'm a middle-aged woman, 5'2", somewhat overweight and have a knee injury--not exactly Rambo!

About a year ago in my neighborhood I saw a man slapping his girlfriend around, right on the street. I asked her if she was OK, then invited her to my house for a cup of coffee. I deliberately didn't adress the guy in any way. I guess he was surprised, because he let her go. I had hoped that she she would file charges--she did not, but at least I helped get her away from her attacker that one time.

Once on a bus I saw a big gang-tatooed teenager beating up a little boy--probably his brother. Everyone else studiously ignored the incident. I finally said, "Hey, I know you're just playing, but why don't you go easy on the kid." He didn't say anything to me, but he did stop.

Another time there was an altercation downtown, and I yelled that the police had been called. When that was ignored, I yelled that I heard sirens approaching. Everybody scattered.

I certainly don't mean to imply that all violence can be stopped so easily, or that perpetraitors can be reasoned with. In each of these situations, I was scared to get involved--I'm a pretty wimpy person. All I mean is that almost anyone can *do something*, even if it's just calling the police (which can be done anonymously in most western countries) or informing someone in authority. There is no excuse to let these kinds of things go on unchallenged.

It reminds me of the incident a month or so back of the young mother who got on the Paris train in a Jewish neighborhood and was attacked, having her baby dumped out of his pram. (She wasn't even Jewish--not that this matters, it just shows that no one is safe). Again, no one on the train did a thing to help her or her child.

P.S. Kudos to Mackie above, for coming to that woman's aid in the Denny's.

Gravenimage

It's encroaching all over the continent.

A recent study of the University of Berne concludes that over 70% of the prisoners in Swiss jails are 'foreigners'.

http://www.nfp51.ch/e_module.cfm?Projects.Command=details&get=32

Foreigners make up about 20% of the Swiss population. But they make up over two thirds of the prison population in Switzerland. The University of Berne provides a range of studies all publicly funded, researching foreigners in Switzerland and their characteristics. Not one of these studies mentions religion as a factor in criminal delinquency. One of the researchers of the National Study Group-NFP51 related to the University of Berne was specifically asked a question on this topic in an interview in a scientific magazine on "migration" (German translation):

http://www.terra-cognita.ch/6/gespraech.pdf

Question: A few years ago a Turksh father murdered his daughter because she would not abide to his authority. Or a man from Kosovo (i.e. a Muslim, H.S-F), killed the lover of his wife. In both cases it is said that the man had to protect the honour of his family. It was required so-to-speak by his "Culture". How do you assess such arguments?

(The social researcher) Christin Achermann: It is a generalizing and far too simple explanation that a person is steered by a culture and propelled by it to commit such a crime. One has to review the context individually in each case in order to understand what exactly is happening. It is not the "Turkish Culture" which is responsible for that man to have murdered his daughter. Such a murder would also be punishable in principle in Turkey. This must be viewed in a differentiated way. It could be the personal situation in the context of the migration, maybe a special dynamic of the family, which has been triggered by the migration. The most diverse factors - whereby culturally inspired notions could provide an element - might contribute to the escalation and finally to a violent end. Such argumentations are unjustly misleading to regard all Turks or all Kosovo-Albanians as potential murderers, only because they have "this culture".

End of quote, you get the picture…vomit, vomit, vomit…

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke.

Western Infidel,

Strange, but that whole H.G.Wells angle was on my mind as well. I was thinking about the scene when the Eloi finally wake up and save Rod Taylor. The image of the guy suddenly making a fist as if he just woke, pretty much sums it up for Europe. Here's hoping there is at least some kind of defensive and legal ammo left for their children.

Hugo, in the times of Burke, we knew what "evil" meant.No moral relativism, no multi-kulti skewed ethics and PC liberalism. It virutally drives me up the wall when someone accuses me of Christian fundamentalism or questions the Judeo-Christian roots of Western culture. Kantian moral imperative is based on one simple, profoundly lucid commandment "Love thy neighbour as thyself".

To all,

Well, you have to take my word for it, but I took this bus for almost a year when my mother was in hospital. This piece of track (between Carnotstraat and Kerkstraat) is 100% populated by muslims. Each time, when I was going through that piece of track the bus was populated by +90% muslims. So it is almost certain that no more than something like 5 non muslim (and certainly unarmed) people were present at the time of the beating. It suffices to contact somebody living in Antwerp to confirm my statements. This should explain why "nobody" reacted, and why they were eager to get off the bus at the next stop, not wanting to be involved in the murder.
As a small reminder, this event happened +- 100m from where, a few years ago, an elderly non muslim man got harassed to the point he killed an imam at point blank. I remember this created days of rioting (instigated by the Arab European Union leader Abu Jaja). Do you think there is going to be rioting now? All what is going to happen is that, under a heavy police escort, some flowers will be deposited at the place the murder took place.

Who was on the bus?

Probably the locan Inman, Mullah, and the parents of the youths.

The youths probably got an A in Islamic Negotiations 101

Kuffar, I can hardly fight back tears of desperation, helplessness and sorrow for this infidel martyr...It is the 21st century, the heart of Europe...hard to believe such a nightmare.

What the non-Muslims of Belgium need to do is quietly arm themselves. When these thugs harrass someone simply put a bullet between their eyes. Then let sympathetic cops make it clear that there will be no arrests of any European vigilantes who kill Muslims.

I assume that Belgium has trial by jury? If so, then the greatest act of anti-dhimmitude will be for jurors to refuse to convict anyone who kills these thugs.

There are two types of people, sheep and wolves, some wolves protect the pack and some eat it. One voice crying “ let’s get them” and even old men and old ladies could have taken out 6 “youths”. One advantage of an armed society is the lower risk of survivors. The dead can’t sue and counter sue and can not longer intimidate anyone. Even here in the USA you have to check the laws, self protection is not always quarantined under the law. If you don’t already have a permit to carry and you live in a state where it is easy to get, then you should have a weapon. Watch for crowds, except for suicide bombers I have yet to hear about one muslim causing trouble, like all cowards they tend to group up. Most are small physically (to me) and not very intimidating. Watch your newspapers, when the “youths” in your areas start to act up, you need to demand the officials take action, the longer you wait the more empowered they will become.

Too bad, Charles Bronson was not in Antwerp, and too bad he's dead. He would have been perfect in this situation.

This is sad and besides all the usual points here at Jihad Watch, I'm sure this 'civilizational decay' will hurt tourism. More attacks, rapes, behadings, and tourism will suffer. One of many bad issues about Jihad, but this is the least of their problems.

Second point: does the concept of a trade apply to europe and the US. Can we simply import all dhimmi's here--or the ones most pissed off--and, in return, trade them for say CAIR and its supporters.

Dejavu Hitler Youth and Mussolini's brown shirts... Don't be surprised if any of the forty bus riders decided to jump in they might be prosecuted for "assaulting" the muslim thugs. When the native Australian youths decided to fight against the muslim thugs who were terrorizing their beaches, the cops found it easier and more politically correct to arrest and proscecute them then go after the muslim gangsters who were harrasing and raping Australians. The Australian cops were afraid to enter the muslim slums where these thugs lived. Probably the same with the Belgium police. A hands off policy from the higher ups (lame, spineless politicos) and the criminals self rule in the filthy slums where they live. Occasionally they leave their caves to cause mayhem on law abiding citizens Clockwork Orange style.

Re: “Youths” Kick Man to Death on Crowded Antwerp Bus

Islam is a mental illness.

This wretched story proves a wretched point:

The one thing that we can ALL be certain of everywhere is that Islamic ideology will continue to be responsible for homicides across the world for as long as people continue practicing it. Where will Islam strike next? Who will it kill?

The other passengers may have been Muslim for that matter. This is ridiculous. The driver could and should have stopped the bus immediately when these men started causing problems and called the police. The passengers could also have called the police. Even if you are not strong enough to intervene physically, you can and should always call the police and give a description. This is ridiculous. If I saw something going on, I'd whip out my cell phone and dial 911. Anyone can do that.

Corli: we are not specifically told in this article that someone at the scene did NOT call the police. Someone fleeing the bus probably did.

Six (grossly fanatical, enflamed, and brainwashed)people can probably finish a person off in less time than it typically takes for a squad car to arrive.

Perhaps the EU should equip public trains and buses with alarms directly linked to police station(s). It doesn't sound like Belgium yet has such devices which are widely available and in use in other places.

Guido Demoor becomes Europe's Kitty Genovese.

Shameful.

Mackie-

I'm with you.

Someone on the bus should have done what I did when I lived in Europe- carry an illegal pistol. (A .25 semi-auto in an ankle holster brought over from America in two pieces of unchecked luggage, with the magazine clip in one suitcase and the unloaded gun in another- done before 9/11-level security might have caught it.) One more wild cowboy yankee, obviously, but I felt better for it.

Even simply firing the thing off into the air would likely have scattered such cowardly, murderous scum. If not, the 6 slugs left could put a permanent crimp on their style.

I was ready to risk being arrested for flouting the self-gelding EU laws, because European jails are better than most average-priced U.S. hotels.

In a different instance, without needing to draw the weapon (I never had to, once, luckily), I broke up a brewing fight on a Dutch train -between annoying homegrown Holland "youth", not Muslim immigrants- by simply reaching over a seat, grabbing one of the guys by the collar, and yelling: "Niet doen!" ("Don't do it!"- which is more what you say to a bad dog, when it misbehaves, than to a person). It startled them enough to defuse the unfolding conflict and they got off at the next stop, sulking, but harmless.

I think they were utterly stunned that anyone would do anything.

Maybe they thought I was dangerously crazy for interfering with their (maybe harmless, maybe not) raucous 'fun'. But that 'misapprehension' can work in your favor in messy spots. As any martial arts teacher will instruct.

"Seeming" more irrational and potentially-harmful than those who think they are the "tough guys" is a good form of psyche-them-out mental-judo ("throwing them off-balance with their kind of own energy") and some commuters in the EU had better to the nearest do-jo, quick!

Otherwise, they can just start bowing now.

(And I don't mean on the edge of the tatami mat.)

spirit of 1683-

You need to get a copy of the presciently-titled 1939 sci-fi novel "Lest Darkness Fall" by L. Sprague De Camp, (about an accidental time traveller from modern day Italy thrown back to the days of the late, collapsing Roman Empire), and turn to page 180, where the author wrote: "Further, our slight ability to see into the future informs us that in about thirty years there will be born in Arabia a man named Mohammed, who, preaching a heretical religion, will, unless stopped, instigate a great wave of barbaric conquest, subverting the rule both of the Persian Kingdom and the East Roman Empire. We respectfully urge the desirability of securing control of the Arabian Peninsula forthwith, that this calamity shall be stopped at the source.."

No present day science fiction author would dare be this direct. Or understand history as well as De Camp did in order to even make this point.

Great Shaytan-

"Was mich nicht umbringt macht mich starker." -That which does not kill me [only] makes me stronger.- is Friedrich Nietzsche's line. (Goethe was one of his mentors, of course, but didn't coin this profound little motto.)

Belgians are still afraid to call a spade a spade. These are muslim "youths", plain and simple. Why are they afraid of the truth?

Texas and multiple other states have right to carry laws. In all of these states major violent crime has gone down after right to carry laws went into effect.

One right to carry passenger would have ended this fisaco on the bus.

If you live in a right to carry state, become licensed, learn the license laws, get fire arms training, pratice regularly and carry a weapon at all times except when strictly prohibited.

If you do not belong to the NRA, join.

With Americans across America and together with the NRA, we will keep our right to keep and bare arms and have the ability to defend ourselves and our loved ones if ever necessary.

Violence and death can happen to you at any time.

Be prepared, be armed, be ready -- means alot more than you can realize.

The Texican.

Belgians are still afraid to call a spade a spade. These are muslim "youths", plain and simple. Why are they afraid of the truth?

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at June 27, 2006 10:05 PM

They're afraid of the truth because it's too hideous to contemplate. Denial is a coward's favorite anodyne.

We've all been cowards at one time or another in our lives, and we've all been in denial about something we didn't want to face. But honest to God, I couldn't sit in frozen silence while a bunch of sadistic muslim bastards killed a helpless man, and I'm hardly a physical dynamo. When I get angry, my strength amazes even me.

Susanp-

Two knitting needles look pretty harmless when carried casually in your handbag.

Or, in Summer, wear headgear with hatpins.

It's the little things that count.

Rage increases strength incredibly.

And is also an anesthetic.

As the Texican says- Be prepared. Be armed. Be ready.

"There are two types of people, sheep and wolves,"
- posted by Ronin

Actually, there is a third type of people - Shepherds. I, and many like me, have chosen to become Shepherds. You, Ronin, have chosen this also.

We have taken the steps to protect those sheep, those poor, innocent, stupid sheep. We will sacrifice ourselves if need be, to step in and keep the wolf at bay, or, kill it when it becomes a threat.

I have had that opportunity to step up, and I am proud of the tasks undertaken and the missions accomplished. There are less wolves now.

- recalled

@corly

>The other passengers may have been Muslim for that >matter. This is ridiculous.

Of course it is not.

Do you know your Qu'ran or not?

>The driver could and

>should have stopped the bus immediately when these >men started causing problems and called the police.

I just stated what a hzard that iine was in a previous post.

>The passengers could also have called the police.

Of course they would not have! The'y were muslims knowing an Infidel was going to see his "Creator".
How funny!

>Even if you are not strong enough to intervene >physically, you can and should always call the >police and give a description.

The police in that area are chicken yellow to visit that area (see my prrevious post about the riots having taken place there a few years ago).

>This is ridiculous.
>If I saw something going on, I'd whip out my cell >phone and dial 911. Anyone can do that.

Yeah, and pigs do fly too!!!

The Belgian bus incident is another horrible example of the cultural imperialism and colonization practiced by the muslims.

Belgium used to be one of the world's best small arms producers. Beglian examples of certain arms are still widely sought. Browning, FAL, FN, etc. How ironic! Their population is unarmed and unprepared.

As a lawyer, a gun-owner, and former police commissioner, I have advised my clients about defense of self and home for years. I have always advised that a homeowner should be armed and know how to use the weapon. The knowledge is important, and acquiring it can be enjoyable too. (Taking my wife and her girlfriends to the shooting range with their various pistols was a great experience. They made a lot of noise, learned useful things, and had a good time.)

The Texas legislature passed a concealed weapons law some years ago. The law provided that a person could apply for a concealed weapon permit, take a course in law and safety, pay a fee and obtain a license to carry a concealed pistol in public. After a few years, it is evident that many crimes have been reduced. There are far fewer car hijackings, for example, and, I believe, armed robberies. All it took was for a crook or two to choose the wrong victim. Word gets around.

I tell people to shoot to kill. Finish off the perpetrator quickly. Make sure the bastard is dead and THEN call the police. And don't be standing there with a weapon when the police arrive. That's real dangerous.

With the muslim invasion (plus the usual thieves and drugged out idiots, rapists, and etc), it's only a matter of time before many of us will have to use a weapon or be at someone's mercy. And don't think for a minute that the muslims aren't armed. They have plenty of weapons, believe me.

But here's the follow-through. There are lots of people talking about arming themselves and being ready for the big battle. They haven't figured out the end-game, and are dangerously self-deluded.

These trigger-happy warriors haven't taken the time to analyze their own "victory" at all. They think that when the shooting stops and the smoke clears, all will be over. Not So!!

There will always be an investigation. This will be conducted by Westerners or muslims, depending on who wins. My bet is that the Western survivors will include a fair percentage of the same leftist dhimmis, traitors, fence-riders, free-lunchers, multiculti's and other riff-raff that helped create the problems in the first place.

When they come around to take pictures of the bodies scattered three feet deep around your compound, each one pierced with two or three of those military rounds from your assault rifle, you are gonna have "a lot of explaining to do" to whomever starts asking the hard questions in the light of day. And it will be even worse if the battlefield is around your car located in "their" section of town, which will be much more likely.

I believe we are engaged in a world war with islam. It will last a long time, and there may be lots of shooting before it's over. We had better be prepared. But I don't think it will unfold like a lot of people expect.

In the meantime, I think it is prudent to acquire an unregistered firearm or three, plenty of ammunition (which is the limiting resource), maybe primers and powder for reloading if a person is so inclined. A shotgun is probably the best weapon at home. Studies in Viet Nam showed that Number Four Buckshot was the best all-around ammunition. A simple to use pistol or revolver is best in the car. Police studies show that the majority of shootings happen in under 21 feet (seven meters). Practice at that distance, or 25 feet. Children should be taught age-appropriately. In Texas, it's a good idea to teach a kid about guns even if you don't have any, because chances are the kid's friends have guns at their own homes. And an ignorant kid is a dangerous kid.

Watch the mosque. Determine the areas of town that are muslim areas, and determine NOW how you will avoid them during times of tension. Personally, I would hate to be trapped in traffic in a muslim area when a problem breaks out, regardless of how many bullets I have. Go out in the countryside and try to drive and shoot at the same time, and you will see what I mean. It ain't like you see in the movies. You'll be lucky if you don't blow your elbow off before you wreck the car in a ditch.

Oh, enough. Deportation is simpler.

We should revoke the tax exemption of any mosque that preaches violence, overthrow of the government, insurrection of any form. This is already provided for in the tax laws. No additional action by Congress is needed. Tax their income, their land, and their contributions.

If that doesn't stop them, have the city council condemn the property "for public use" as is now allowed under Supreme Court ruling. Confiscate their property and tear down the mosque, or dedicate it for a public purpose, such as a latrine.

Revoke the business licenses of any muslim business owned or managed by an illegal alien, including one who has overstayed a visa. This will take a state law. But, an occupation permit, building permit, utility permit, or similar authorization necessary to run a business or mosque, can be denied at the purely local level for the same illegal alien.

If we want to take action, there are still plenty of ways to do it.

And when you buy your Koran at the mosque, don't forget to drop your chewing gum in the doorway on your way out.

Texan, if you can buy guns, then can't muslims buy them too?

I feel a lot safer in countries where the population have a harder time getting a gun.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke.

Posted by: Polish infideless

I heard a similar saying in college. It was in Hindi. The English translation would be - "By hesitating in taking a side, we are taking a side." Procrastination means our demise.

Voltaire...my apologies but what you just said is totally untrue. Gun laws ONLY work on those who have respect for the rule of law and it is quite obvious that this does NOT include criminals and your average lunatic. If you add that the behaviour of many muslim youths in western coutries is criminal you can see my point as they have NO respect for Australians nor Australian law.

I had to hand my weapons aftewr Port Arthur(bandwagon response) in and watch them destroyed. Since then, the stabbings have multiplied by 100 and shootings still occur with monotonous regularity and even the use of automatic weapons has increased while that of handguns has not diminished (illegal in NSW since ~1931).

So while we are not as gun happy as the USA all that it has done has made those sensible people once with weapons now totally vulnerable to any physical attack.

I am no longer well nor fit and would have NO chance of protecting my family unless I buy new weapons as my wife has suggested (O/U 12g shotgun, lever action 223 and pump action 0.22) I was totally shocked by her idea as she has always been antigun but her point is quite valid as there was a house invasion & murder near our property only recently and we are no longer as safe as we used to be.

Re-Kuffar "The other passengers may have been Muslim for that >matter. This is ridiculous.

Of course it is not.

Do you know your Qu'ran or not?"
-You misunderstood. I meant it was riduculous for a man to be beaten to death and nobody did anything whatsoever. I also meant that the passengers were likely Muslim.

"The driver could and

>should have stopped the bus immediately when these >men started causing problems and called the police.

I just stated what a hzard that iine was in a previous post."

-Again you didn't understand. Let me elaborate. No, it is much more of a hazard to keep driving and ignore potential troublemakers. The bus driver should have stopped the bus at the first sign of trouble, pulled over at a PUBLIC place, say a store/bank etc., and gone inside and called the police instead of contining on his route. How absurd to suggest otherwise.

"->The passengers could also have called the police.

Of course they would not have! The'y were muslims knowing an Infidel was going to see his "Creator".
How funny! The police in that area are chicken yellow to visit that area (see my prrevious post about the riots having taken place there a few years ago)."

-I was responding to someone who suggested that the passengers may have been to old/weak to intervene. I said they could have called the police if they were too weak to stop it. I didn't say Muslims would have stopped it. I'm also not from Belgium so I don't know how the police force are there and I haven't read any previous comments about it. Still all in all, the driver should have stopped in a public place when they got on and started trouble , gone inside and called the cops even if the cops are as you say chicken. This is just common sense.

">If I saw something going on, I'd whip out my cell >phone and dial 911. Anyone can do that.

Yeah, and pigs do fly too!!!"
Well pigs must be flying because anyone can call the cops and I certainly would if I saw a crime in progress.

re:Voltaire "Texan, if you can buy guns, then can't muslims buy them too?

I feel a lot safer in countries where the population have a harder time getting a gun."

I'm from Texas and I'm the opposite. I feel a lot safer in a country where the law-abiding population can defend themselves against the criminals. The bottom line is the criminals will get the guns regardless of whether guns are legal or not. If guns are outlawed, then only outlaws will have guns.

"So while we are not as gun happy as the USA all that it has done has made those sensible people once with weapons now totally vulnerable to any physical attack. "

We're not gun happy. Stop believing whatever your news media feeds you. We are however, defense happy. I actually feel much safer in Texas than in Europe when it comes to facing crime because in Texas we strongly believe and back up the average law abiding citizen's right to self-defence. One can use whatever force necessary to defend oneself against rape, robbery or severe bodily injury. We can also defend our homes by any force necessary. We can also carry pepper spray which I do. Crime rates in most of the USA have steadily fallen(except in certain inner city neighborhoods where they remain high and where gang bangers get guns illegally). However, in the rest of the Western world, crime rates are dramatically rising, especially in their 3rd world areas.

re:Voltaire "Texan, if you can buy guns, then can't muslims buy them too?

I feel a lot safer in countries where the population have a harder time getting a gun."

I would rather be in the USA with my gun than to be let's say an Iraqi grocer, taxicab driver, wedding guest, student, elderly man, teacher, doctor, scientist, beggar, and host of others who may have lived had they been toting a .45 or 9mm.. They died because they were just there and they posed no threat to the terrorist as they were unarmed.
The terrorists are certainly armed. Their intent is clear. You may die even if you have a gun, but the terrorist may also die. (which is what he wants to do anyway). At least, with a gun, you may get him first. Without a gun, you have no chance.
In the countries where it is hard to get a gun you see more and more violent attacks on its populace. No one rushes to the aid of a person being assaulted. This might change if passerbys pulled out their Desert Eagle 44 mag and quickly dispatched the "youths" or thugs who are killing someone.
I hold a permit to carry a gun, I hope I never see an old man being assaulted by a gang of wannabee Muslim martyrs. I will grant them their wish.

Corli...."gun happy" was not derogatory but it does mean both a greater acceptance and a greater number of weapons in the community.
Surely you cannot disagree with this?

If I also add that Australian do not have a constitutional right to bear arms then you must agree with me.

-Zathras,

Most of us know that you didn't use "gun happy" in a derogatory manner. While I can't speak for corli, I think that he/she (sorry, I don't know which to use) is used to hearing the term used that way and was reacting it. It does get a little old. Most people don't know that less than one percent of crimes committed in the US with firearms are perpetrated by people who legally own the gun. Most people who legally purchase weapons don't run around using them illegally.

Always seemed funny to me that one may acquire a permit to carry a firearm, but not a fighting knife or dagger. Certainly far less chance of missing your target and hitting a bystander. On the other hand, my instructors would say, "don't expect to walk away from a knife fight without spilling a little of your own blood".

Voltaire, your observation is correct.

It is entirely possible for muslims to obtain guns in Texas, both legally and illegally. To obtain a firearm legally, all that one needs to do is select the weapon a the store, fill out the "yellow form" (a one page questionnaire from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms), claim citizenship of the USA and show "proof" of Texas residency (a driver's license will do), and pass a background check (courtesy of the federal "Brady Bill" passed after the assassination attempt on President Reagan in the early 80s). And, of course, you have to pay for the weapon. There is a three day waiting period for the background check to take place. This is performed through a national database of criminals, persons with outstanding warrants, etc. The system is efficient, and the database is faster than three days.

Until a couple of years ago, it was possible for an illegal alien to obtain a driver's license in Texas. It still is possible in some other states, because there is a lot of resistence to making anything inconvenient for illegal Mexicans. But Texas tightened up. However, there are still some old licenses outstanding, and it may be possible to obtain a Texas license by turning in a license from another state and claiming recent change of residence to Texas. I am not completely sure that this subterfuge will always work, but, Hell, I'm a lawyer and always look for the loopholes. You can usually find one. The muslims exploit them all the time.

So, if a muslim is a citizen and resident of Texas, has a clean record (no felony, etc.), he or she can buy the weapon. Or several. It is unlawful to buy a weapon with the intent to deliver it to a third person, but you can bet that goes on all the time.

I have also described how to smuggle grenades and RPGs, etc., in the diplomatic mail. This kind of weaponry raises the stakes to a level I'm uncomfortable with, but all that is another subject, anyway.

Of course, I don't like ANY enemy to be armed. In the limited engagements that usually take place at the hands of criminals, the armed citizen is the trump card. And the possibility that a criminal will face a trained permit holder is enough to deter most of them from attacking in the areas of town where the citizens can and will go to the expense and trouble to arm themselves. The crooks tend to stay and prey in their own neighborhoods.

Gun prohibitions, like liquor prohibitions, drug prohibitions, prostitution prohibitions, child molestation prohibitions, and all the rest, will only deter the law-abiding citizen. Even the possibility of capital punishment does not deter all murderers.

In the final analysis, I believe that Texas is more friendly when everyone is armed. People think twice about starting trouble.

By the way, our local Metro has prohibited the carrying of guns on buses, even by permit holders, so guess where problems arise . . .

texan-

I'd rather break a law and live than obey it and die.

profitsbeard,

There's a saying in the Deep South of the USA (the old CSA), "Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six".

An armed people is a free people.

Provoslavni-

Know it.

Like it.

Live it.

re:Zathras-"Corli...."gun happy" was not derogatory but it does mean both a greater acceptance and a greater number of weapons in the community.
Surely you cannot disagree with this?

If I also add that Australian do not have a constitutional right to bear arms then you must agree with me."

I realize that Australia does not have a constitutional right to bear arms and I did say that their is much more legal gun ownership by law abiding citizens here than in countries where it it not allowed.

We all speculate what we would do if something like this happened in our presence, stand and fight or cut and run. We really won't know until it happens to us.
That time may be rapidly approaching. This wasn't a case of a random killing. Just the timing was unknown. The Quran says to kill the infidel where you find them. Good muslims follow the Quran.
We have a president who never saw a Muslim he didn't like,and even invites them to the White House for Ramadan and the national day of prayer. CAIR tells us how "peaceful" Islam and our FBI even attend their conferences in support.The mosques continue to spew Saudi Arab Wahaabi hate with the ACLU's approval. Free speech is hampered by the Muslims with shares in our news media. Muslims kill a family in New Jersey by slitting their throats. Islam is here and getting mor and more militant. Americans, get ready for your bus ride.