Reprehensibly calculated timing, facilitated again by Al-Jazeera. From AP: "Video by one of London bombers released"
LONDON - One of the suicide bombers who struck London's transit system a year ago said in a video broadcast Thursday that the attacks were "only the beginning."
The video, broadcast by Al-Jazeera, showed Shehzad Tanweer delivering the warning shortly before the July 7, 2005, attacks that killed 52 people and the four bombers.
"What you have witnessed now is only the beginning," Tanweer said in the video.
Tanweer, 22, killed six people and himself aboard a London Underground train.
Ahmed al-Sheikh, an editor at Al-Jazeera in Doha, Qatar, would not say how or when the Arab broadcaster obtained the video. He said it was a long tape, and the station had shown only a small portion of it.
Andy Hayman, head of Specialist Operations for the Metropolitan Police, said the video would become part of the continuing investigation of the bombings.
"There can be no doubt that the release of the video at this time can only cause maximum hurt and distress to the families and friends of those who died on 7/7 and the hundreds of people who were injured in the terrorist attacks," Hayman said.
Prime Minister Tony Blair's office said it had no immediate comment on the video.
In September, Al-Jazeera played a video from another of the four bombers, Mohammad Sidique Khan.
In that video, Khan claimed that the British public were to blame for the terror attacks because of their support for Western governments which "continuously perpetuate atrocities" against the Islamic world.
"We are at war and I am a soldier," Khan had said.
Khan's farewell message had been broadcast alongside a video of al-Qaida's No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahri, warning of more attacks. They did not appear together on the recording, but analysts said it provided the strongest link yet between the terrorist network and the four London bombers.
Peter Clarke, who heads the anti-terrorist branch of the Metropolitan Police, said he believed Khan had probably recorded his so-called living will outside of Britain.
"The splicing of the footage with the comments of al-Zawahri and the release through the usual al-Qaida channels suggests it may well have been recorded overseas," Clarke said.
Clarke also confirmed that both Tanweer and Khan had made at least three trips to Pakistan before the bombings, making a final visit in early 2005.
They love being legends in their own minds.
All the more reason to profile, use electronic wiretapping and other covert intelligence operations against the Peaceful Religion of Islam. We can save lives through good intelligence. The war on terror spreads more rapidly without intelligence. We must seek out the serpent and cut its head off.
Al-Jazeera in Doha, Qatar, aiding the terrorists once again, in their continued media jihad against the west.
I have called for the shutdown of the Islamic terrorist mouthpiece, Al-Jazeera, countless times. As the world lacks the resolve to even deal with this obvious evil, so we lack the resolve to deal with far worse.
Perhaps we deserve our fate.
----"We are at war and I am a soldier," Khan had said.
Message to Khan: Your “war” against CIVILIANS in London lasted but one day and you are a terrorist’s carcass. You were never a soldier.
----"What you have witnessed now is only the beginning," Tanweer said in the video.
Message to Tanweer: Yes we were only able to witness the beginning of your torment but even without closed circuit broadcasts from hell we know you have made it home. Say hello to Zarqawi for us.
-XRDC
"Stop resisting Islam NOW!"
One of the best posters I have seen during Mohammedan demonstrations against their host country (was it "Koran-rage" or was it "cartoon-rage" related? I don't remember...)
WHAT???!!!!???
We've been told the 7/7 bombings (and 9/11) were a U.S./Zionist plot. Extraordinarily high percentages of muslims profess to believe this. How do they explain these videos? Is the charade over?
Here's something far more dangerous than Al-Jazeera:
http://www.foehammer.net/2006/07/myspace-for-muslims.html
exsgtbrown
We have seeked out the serpent but for dhimmi reasons we will not cut the head off, that or we will not bite the bullet and find alternative energy sources which would result in our fat cats going with-out, we cannot have that...
Concerned Citizen-
"Cognitive dissonance" allows morons to hold two conflicting beliefs simultaneously (Orwell's "doublethink"), as long as it furthers their ultimate aims.
It confuses the more logically-minded infidels, and permits the Militant Muslims to plow through such kaffir nonsense as "reason", "objective reality" and "morality" on the way to dominance of the Ummah.
You have to shed such old-fashioned notions as people are saying things to be understood or do this in order to succeed in convincing through rational argument.
The Mohammedans say things to win the ultimate goal of the global war, not any interim debates.
Madness, like a sucker punch, is effective, in being unexpected.
And, if they can keep the West disoriented enough, long enough, they can overthrow the pussyfooting infidels with this Machiavellian Uber-pragmatism of Islam.
(It is a brilliant strategy, even if apparently unconsciously pursued by the average Muslim proselytizer... no one ever accused the Freudian id of being stupid... brutal, maybe, and bestial, yes, but unquestionably "to the point", as far as its survival goes.)
The parents of Hasib Hussain who was responsible for the deaths on the No 30 bus in Tavistock are (or were up until today, this video may be a shock to them, it may not) continuing to deny his role.
A willing dhimmi is a dangerous person/entity. Some are so deeply entrenched in the pacifist or appeasment mindset that there is no hope for them. Constant education and vocal outcry about the Peaceful Religion of Islam is necessary. We are aware of the constant brainwashing the young Muslim children undergo. I view the Dhimmi just as dangerous as the AK47 toting terrorist, either one will get you graveyard dead.
WE HAVE Americans who swear 9/11 was conceived and executed by none other than President Bush. yeah right! They seem to forget about Usama boldly boasting about carrying out and directing the planning and execution of the operation. They seem to overlook the vast amount of material uncovered since 9/11 pointing the finger of guilt to the Peaceful Religion of Islam. Sometimes, We are our own worst enemy.
If we are not already doing so, we need to bug Al-Jeezera and monitor all who come and go. I am sure there are hidden messages in Al-Jeezera broadcasts. This is a den of evil doers and they should be very carefully watched.
What would the Romans do?
-Carthage unavailable for comment...
Assalamau Laikum all,
Last week my Shor...my dearest Anwer fell asleep for the last time. As you may know he got caught in the Earthquake in Pak and suffered a collapsed lung and damage to his kidneys.
Although more than a year passed, Anwer steadily detoriated (even infedel medicine is usless against the call of Allah), the coughing up of blood, the ever steady worsening leading to eventual blood poisioning, infection and high amounts of Morphine to keep down the pain. This is not something that one would even wish even upon the Kafur. I stayed by his bedside to the last moment...with my small family by my side...but in truth I said goodbye to him on my own... "Dearest Anwer...stay calm...I am happy for you now that the pain is gone now...Allah is by your side...I love you Anwer"....and with that he was gone.
Now many on this site will say "good...one down and 1.2billion to go"....but let me remind you that Anwer was no threat to the Infedel...he certainly had his smaller inner spiritual jihad...but that is all.
I am very somber and the loneliness is hard to take..even so I had many problems. The Sunni wouldn't let me bury him where I wanted....but I didn't mind so much ...he was buried next to his father.
Truly, there was a lot of womens wailing...but I didn't ...in my heart I let Anwer go with much pomp and ceremony.
Allah obviously needs good peoples around him....and I prayed to Allah to now keep him from pain and by his side...and if not ...to go to a good muslim house.
Note that as he was not into Jihad...your worthless comments about 72 virgins will not apply.
I have called my son back from the UK (he has finished his degree this year anyway) so that he can run the business...without Anwer the motivation just isn't there for the moment.
I so miss my daily prayers with Anwer...with him gone ...at the moment I have time that I don't know what to do with...and I certainly don't feel like praying!
I keep thinking in my mind that I must have had shortcomings in my Dua to Allah SWT...and he has punished me so...I have not been able to take my arguments on Islam with enough gusto to the Infedel...that is a hard punishment to take. I have asked Allah to forgive me for that...and I shall try much harder from now...but I am convinced that my arguments on peaceful Islamic domination is the right way to go for Dar-al-harb.
I cry a lot ...but that has to stop...I feel there is much work to be done...but I don't know what work and whereto start?
Oh I do so miss my Anwer...Allah forgive my yearning for him...but this is all I can manage for now!
either one will get you graveyard dead
...along with themselves. The former will be glorified as shahidi, whether they make a full VHS confession or are claimed to be zionist conspiracy victims. The latter will just be losers.
Granny Weatherwax-
The family of the bomber are also working within the all-answering/all-excusing realm of Islamo-doublethink. Whereby you can deny your kid did it, but also be proud of him as a 'martyr' at the same time.
Having your yellowcake and centrifuging it, too.
exsgtbrown-
Al-Jisminyourears is opening an "American" cable t.v. branch shortly. To give a "different perspective" in "apple pie" lingo.
I used to listen to Radio Moscow on shortwave before the Soviet Union fell, and it was endlessly amusing as self-delusional rank propaganda.
The difference was that most in the West understood the threat that Communism implied (East German workers revolt crushed; Hungarian Revolution crushed; Prague Spring crushed) and the b.s of the "soviet line" was heard as candy-coated lies.
Al-Jism, however, (thanks to the conspiratorial cranks and lost-their-minds-from-grief and de facto seditionists like Michael Berg and Cindy Sheehan) isn't seen so clearly as the propaganda wing of Imperialistic Islam.
(Or is that the NY Times?)
Instinctual self-defense seems as withered in the West as the vestigal appendix.
Or the ability to think critically.
Thanks PRO...
Instinctual self-defense seems as withered in the West as the vestigal appendix.
Or the ability to think critically.
---Cindy Sheehan, what a moonbat, So many, like the Michael Moorers of the world, all those people who believe, if we leave them alone , they will leave us alone etc etc.not only have lost the ability to think critically, they have evidently lost the ability to read history. The current wave of violence instigated almost entirely by the Peaceful Religion of Islam has been in progress for a long time. Only now it is being brought to the forefront of the daily news (due in part to the decision of PResident Bush --timely or not--to Invade Iraq.)This Islamic entity has been actively attacking almost everyone, everywhere and for some reason unknow to me rarely counterattacked. Be that as it may, the pot is beginning to boil, steam is being released and some are beginning to see the light that has been on for a long time. The phrase "Victory or Death" has never been truer.
....so why didn't Al-Jazeera wait a month from now to broadcast it?
Naseem...I am sorrowed by your loss. Losing a loved one is the same everywhere regardless of religion or politics.
While we disagree completely on those issues, I will put that aside, and for a short time, your loss will be my loss and your pain my pain. During that time, I will use my influence with Divine Providence to see to it that Anwer gets to the place where he is happy...swami
naseen,
For the last week, I wanted you to be here, so I could apologize to you. You are ahmadi, and I did not understand that. Please accept my apologies for my harshness. And my condolences for your husband.
Arjun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadi
Naseem - I'm sorry to learn of your loss. I hope that your religious beliefs and your family will offer you some consolation.
It's a pity that this video release clahes with a propaganda fest British Muslims are staging in London. I doubt if it is by chance accident that it tastelessly straddles the first anniversary of the 7/7 bombings. Called the "Islam expo", it will be held at the Alexandra palace between the 6th and the 9th of July.
According to their website at:
http://islamexpo.info/index.php
IslamExpo is the first ever UK event aiming to promote a better understanding of Islamic culture, civilisation and faith, while building bridges between the different communities within Britain. In light of recent events across the world, it gives a more accurate, informed perspective of Islamic culture for both Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
Visitors to IslamExpo will find a range of events;
# A business to business trade show
# An exhibition for selling products & services directly to consumers
# A shopping experience (within a purpose built market -THE SOUK)
# An information centre – THE KNOWLEDGE ZONE – offering an interactive journey through Islamic culture, history and civilisation
# A series of conferences, covering Islamic Finance in the UK, and the complex issues and challenges facing the Muslim World today
# A film festival - films on Islamic culture, history and society
# A series of live concerts in both traditional and modern styles
# A series of entertainment activities – THE FAMILY ZONE- for all the family.
A range of speakers will be at the event, (there is a webpage full of their portraits, looking like a rogues' gallery) including the barmy Yvonne Ridley, Ken Livingstone, Qazi Hussein Ahmed and Azzam al-Tamimi. Read about the latter two at:
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/002463.html
This is clearly a very expensive event to hold; I wonder wgere the money is coming from.
Why Al-Jazeera hasen't suffered very serious "technical difficulties" yet is beyond my comprehension and allowing them to open a branch in the U.S. is just plain stupid. One could speculate that we want them to open a U.S. branch so that we can keep better tabs on them but, you would think that with all those AQ tapes coming in to Al-Jazeera HQ we would have already found some way to track them back to old cave spider Bin Laden. That we haven't does not give me much hope for any operations against Al-Jazeera in the U.S.
Something happens to Al-Jazeera's overseas operation, that's one thing. Their U.S. operation gets established, then closed down and every idiot in America will be howling about "freedom of the press."
Naseem, although we are idiological enemies, my heartfelt sympathy goes out to you. May your husband RIP.
I give you my sympathy, Naseem. The loss of your mate is the definition of loneliness. May you find peace.
Naseem-- sincere condolences on the loss of your husband.
WallyUK
A couple of UK readers here have been expressing concern about this for a few weeks. We have been linking to this article and more practically to this site particularly the first post, that of 19 June entitled "Some things you should know".
That text copied and pasted twice onto a sheet of A4 paper will, when sliced in half, produce 2 double sided A5 handbills and we invited anybody who shared our concern to print a few off for distribution wherever seemed appropriate.
We couldn't reach everybody, but we did our best.
As I understand Islamic practice, Naseem will not be allowed to be present at the burial.
Naseem:
Your beliefs are strange to me, yet I wish you peace of heart and mind.
Naseem
Condolences to you all on your loss.
"I keep thinking in my mind that I must have had shortcomings in my Dua to Allah SWT...and he has punished me so...I have not been able to take my arguments on Islam with enough gusto to the Infedel...that is a hard punishment to take. I have asked Allah to forgive me for that...and I shall try much harder from now...but I am convinced that my arguments on peaceful Islamic domination is the right way to go for Dar-al-harb."
-- from a posting above
Note Naseem's completely un-Western view of something that happens every day. People are born, and people die. Yet she must think that her "shortcomings" in her "Dua to Allah" had caused him, this Allah, to have "punished me so." And what was her shortcoming? It was not being able "to take my arguments on Islam with enough gusto to the Infedel." And what does the death in the family mean to her? Not that death is inevitable, but that she must try still harder to convince us to accept Islam, to accept what she accepts, and the world she accepts, despite suffering from it. Yes, she will continue, but now putting everything into it, to convince us that "peaceful Islamic domination" (Da'wa and demographic conquest) is the right way to go for Dar al-harb."
This declared goal was intolerable when preached to us by her a year ago, or six months ago, or a month ago. It remains hideously intolerable today.
Condolences to you, Naseem, and your family in this difficult time. May you and those close to your loved one find comfort and solace in your time of sorrow.
Since you posted your anguish over your loved one's passing on a forum that doesn't share your beliefs, it's only fair (and I do this as sensitively as I can) to ask why you believe Allah is punishing you for not taking your "arguments on Islam with enough gusto to the Infedel". It's obvious you've done so on this forum for quite a while. It's also obvious that many Muslims have not done any da'wah or with a thousandth of the "gusto" that you have, yet they are not suffering the same agony and tragic loss as you. It is with the utmost sensitivity that I ask....why make your grief that much harder with these irreconcilable thoughts? Can you not find from the diety you worship as "most merciful" and "most beneficent" some measure of grace and sympathy (not punishment) towards you in your time of pain?
Naseem - my sympathy to you for your loss.
GaryK - "Why Al-Jazeera hasen't suffered very serious "technical difficulties" yet is beyond my comprehension and allowing them to open a branch in the U.S. is just plain stupid."
Qatar is a staunch ally like all the other family farms on the Arabian Penninsula, that's why. When we see moves against these we will be in the end game. It will come one day, the muslims will ensure it because:
"Madness, like a sucker punch, is effective, in being unexpected."
Profitsbeard
Right on, brother. But it has a definite half-life, which would be shortened considerably by this sentiment:
"What would the Romans do?
-Carthage unavailable for comment..."
Posted by: limes at July 6, 2006 01:02 PM
This is the solution in the end, agreed.
Project Samson - the destruction of the temple, the leaders and the high priests by pulling the pillars of the system down on the whole thing. I agree, limes. The Punic wars can be a model for us to follow. The enemy this time is faceless and hides among the masses. This will continue as long as the masses pay no price. We must call them out on it and make it expensive.
Seems like the people running this Islam expo have needlessly spent a lot of money and gone way too high tech. They could have gone to any number of locations around the world, loaded up a dumpster full of mangled corpses and headless captives that resulted from the real world action of the "Religion of Peace" and just dumped them in a pile in downtown London. To round out the picture they could import a whole raft of madrassa students who, though functionally illiterate and untroubled by study of such unnecessary subjects as world history, science, literature or philosophy, could recite the Koran by rote. Finish it up by a silent group of kneeling Muslim women, covered head to toe in black, and you've giving Londoners a real feel for Islam in action plus an exciting preview of their fate if Islam takes over; a much cheaper and simpler approach it seems to me.
I'm sorry to hear of your loss, Naseem. I'm sure it's OK to miss someone who's gone - how could anyone not?
Naseem
Likewise. We did notice your absense, and last week, I even made a joke about your shor, not knowing what you were going through. For that, I apologize.
We still have, and will continue to have our differences. Nonetheless, like the other posters above, I do hope you get to recover from your loss. While your other provocative comments above, like
are flamebait, I'll pass that temptation for this one occasion, while you get over your loss. I'll even resist the "Inshallah" taunts.For now.
When a person is infected with the Islam-Virus, that person is effectively dead already.
Jihadist virus, perhaps, though I used to feel the same way about all religion. Following Foehammers link, the Amhadi faith seems to do its level best to reconcile Islamic and Christian theologies with minimal offence to either - a difficult balance for Islam.
Naseem, sincerest condolences on your loss
Tas li'at
Sorry, Granny - can't understand how I missed the links.
Naseem your loss is hard no doubt and the lose of a loved one hurts but have you ever thought that perhaps it is your faith and your religion which has caused the pain in your life????
Your loved one died just like all loved ones die and just like you and I will die.....Its nature....everything in the end loses.
Its my problem with all organized religion that somehow father god is going to save us from our stupidity. Veiw it like this: God sets laws of Nature like gravity, E/M, and basic laws of physics and we humans learn them through study. Once we have mastered a law we are rewarded with new wonderful technologies to make our lives better (the industrial revolution was from mechanics etc.). We are granted a better life on a hard world. We are like students in a class room etc. Is it a personal god or not who is to say but what is certain...you learn about the natural world you are given new powers...it has never failed in thousands of years of recorded human history.
However the converse is also true....those that refuse to learn those basic laws are punished by starvation, disease, poverty, ignorance and in the end conquest. It has never failed and never will. It is a truth. Look at Christian Europe before the Black Death and after. Before it was semi-backward, over populated, and ruled by a noble class and religious elite that killed any hope of progress....post-Black Death Europe changed forever. Even the chief doctor in the Catholic church changed his mind and did critical early work on medicine that was based on observation and logic not on biblical readings. Europe's change was rewarded with a new age of medicine, art, science and of course new weapons. Those new weapons gave us the advantage that our enemies (aka muslims) could not hope to contend with. It is true today Naseem.
You will never dominate anything Naseem...peaceful or warlike as long as Islam sits tied to its religious teachings without some change. Christians did it despite the fact many of the fundamentalist always go on about how much they hate science and technology (I.e. evolution, stem cell etc). This is at the heart of the matter Naseem. You stated that "I keep thinking in my mind that I must have had shortcomings in my Dua to Allah SWT...and he has punished me so". You would have fit right in pre Black Death Europe. That statement shows how and why our worlds collide and why friendship is almost impossible.
"but I am convinced that my arguments on peaceful Islamic domination is the right way to go for Dar-al-harb."
How? Hmmmmm....You are not in a position of strength. You have no industry. You have no technology. You have no educational system to produce a Newton, Einstein, intellectual revolution. All you have is your faith...right?
What is in your faith Naseem that makes it better then lets say the Christian faith? Jewish faith? other faiths????? what is it?
Lets here it? Your word Naseem is not good enough for this skepical, logical american. Might always wins Naseem. We are mighty (even with a stupid leader) and we will win.
The Faith in Islam is the belief in the black flag of jihad. Jihad is the new Black Death. It is a plague on both houses - the house of Submission and the house of War.
Free yourself, Naseem. You're a good person at heart.
Don't Tread on Me.
Naseem - check this out when you have a moment.
http://www.foundingfathers.info/stories/gadsden.html
Call me insensitive if you must, but I just can't for even one second convince myself to believe anything that comes out of the pen of Naseem. I find it simply unbelievable that she had the time and energy to write regularly on Jihad Watch when all the while her supposed husband was lying on his deathbed, a victim of the earthquake that struck Pakistan.
Assalamau-Laikium all,
Thank you all for your sympathy. Ofcourse it has been hard but Allah's work is permanent and cannot be denied & who am I to deny Allah.
Debates are to be had ...but will keep for me. I know that Hugh was hard on me ...but really Islam is not that bad...perhaps a tiny bit for the 1st generation...but then you just get used to it...it's just normal..I just needed to explain that.
Razdan, I've been watching the post times for Naseem as well. If she's in Lahore she's been posting in the witching hours - between 2 am and 6 am local time - many times ... another clue that the sympathy for Naseem may end up being merely sympathy for the devil ( i.e., a group of dedicated young men at the local maddrassa )
Nevertheless I do extend sympathy to the real Naseem if she exists. I extend no quarter to the belief system she tries to soft-sell. It's still snake-oil no matter the packaging or the pretty lady holding the bottle. Naseem, I imagine you're pretty, but that makes it more interesting for me personally.
Submission needs to find its place next to communism, nazism and the rest. The people in the United States have a long history of 'Live Free or Die' and that's going to be going straight up against 'Convert, submit or die'
Don't Tread on Me Islam.
Sorry for your loss Naseem. I noticed you were not posting. I also wondered about you.
It is indeed as Hugh, A_Plague_on_Both_Houses and others have stated: though we should feel genuine sympathy for anyone who loses a loved one (i.e. Nasseem in this case), we can not allow ourselves to lose sight of the bigger picture. While a handful more tolerant and tolerable sects of Islam exist as heretics to the rest (i.e. Ahmadi), we still must recognize that they are only a fraction less dangerous to free peoples everywhere than even the most virulent Islamic sects(i.e. Wahabi).
For me, the truth is simply this: I believe Islam to be a complete lie on the part of Muhammad, so though I might one day welcome a true reform of Islam simply for the sake of pragmatism, I would still never accept it in my own family or among my friends. I aspire to truth as one of my most respected ideals, and if I cease being honest with myself about Islam at any point simply because I am looking for a more expedient and bloodless alteration to our current reality at every turn, then I would be turning my back on too much.
Sympathy for our enemies is a strength and one that Americans, for example, have shown in great degree throughout our young history, but only after we have beaten those enemies. Only after we have beaten them.
While perhaps evoking Machiavelli's spirit, let me just say finally this: it is the time to be lions and not lambs. As I have stated before, I will give no quarter to Islam until it is removed from the shores of America. After this, then I can talk in degrees of greater sympathy and possible reform and the "gentler" sects of Islam.
Why dont the Brits deport the
terrorists' families, just like Israel
razes the homes of their terrorists?
Naseem, I'm sorry for your loss. You seem conflicted, split between the two worlds, dar al-harb and dar al-islam. You know that your husband needed the medical advances in the "infidel" world because teh knowledge to heal or prolong his life was not to be found int he world of islam, yet you still think we are wrong. You said "I keep thinking in my mind that I must have had shortcomings in my Dua to Allah SWT...and he has punished me so...I have not been able to take my arguments on Islam with enough gusto to the Infedel..."
Why do you automatically assume that you are being punished? One could make the argument that you are being punished for being muslim instead of Christian if one wanted to think that way. It would be just as wrong as thinking you are being punished because you did not do enough. Death comes to us all at our appointed time. Think rather that you were blessed to have your husband in your life for the time you were together, and see him continuing in your children. Thank God you had a good husband who did not beat you or kill you as happens to so many of the women in Pakistan. God has a reason for everything that happens, whether we can understand it or not. I know now you are hurting and it is hard to understand why things like this happen, but I hope eventually you will understand. Thank God you did not have to watch your husband die slowly over 10 years, losing control of all his body functions, and forgetting everything and everyone he knew and loved. That is what happened with my Mother who died of Alzheimer's. Your husband is at peace now, his suffering is over. May God grant you peace in your life.
Naseem,
That's rough. I wish you the best.
Please don't presume to know what I would do about the angry jihadis living in my nation, but I can assure you it would involve buses and airplanes, not camps and gas chambers. When it comes to jihadis in the act, fire at will and don't spare the ammunition.
Foehammer - you say 'time to be lions and not lambs'
May I suggest the rattlesnake instead? Here's why:
In December 1775, "An American Guesser" anonymously wrote to the Pennsylvania Journal:
"I observed on one of the drums belonging to the marines now raising, there was painted a Rattle-Snake, with this modest motto under it, 'Don't tread on me.' As I know it is the custom to have some device on the arms of every country, I supposed this may have been intended for the arms of America."
This anonymous writer, having "nothing to do with public affairs" and "in order to divert an idle hour," speculated on why a snake might be chosen as a symbol for America.
First, it occurred to him that "the Rattle-Snake is found in no other quarter of the world besides America."
The rattlesnake also has sharp eyes, and "may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance." Furthermore,
"She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage. ... she never wounds 'till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her."
Finally,
"I confess I was wholly at a loss what to make of the rattles, 'till I went back and counted them and found them just thirteen, exactly the number of the Colonies united in America; and I recollected too that this was the only part of the Snake which increased in numbers. ...
"'Tis curious and amazing to observe how distinct and independent of each other the rattles of this animal are, and yet how firmly they are united together, so as never to be separated but by breaking them to pieces. One of those rattles singly, is incapable of producing sound, but the ringing of thirteen together, is sufficient to alarm the boldest man living."
Many scholars now agree that this "American Guesser" was Benjamin Franklin.
Franklin, of course, is also known for opposing the use of an eagle -- "a bird of bad moral character" -- as a national symbol
Naseem all civilized people feel the loss of a loved one, especially a husband, the father to your children. it is only an evil ideolgoy that would prevent you from partaking in his funeral, or that you would blame yourself and that your fanatic god would punish you with his death. Naseem, a loving God like the Christians, gives you free choice, and only you can make those choices, and so therefore only you can either take the blame or credit for anything you do or not do. Naseem do not think for one moment islam can be embraced by any free thinking person, your people wanted to live weakly and took on islam. many more died and will die but rather be free than embrace your cult of death. Hugh was not hard on you, but rather honest and blunt.
naseem, is it true that under islamic law that you are not allowed to be present at your own husband's funeral? If this is true, that is just plain wrong!
Someone please explain to me why women aren't allowed at funerals. Is it because the husband is dead and he isn't around to allow her to leave? I've always noticed on t.v. you never see males crying over women, it's always over other males. I just figure that was because they thought women weren't worth crying over.
Hugh, Razdan & Foehammer
I don't think any of you are being insensitive. Any sympathies to Nasseem, at least from me, is on the assumption that she is a genuine Ahmadiya, and her loss is genuine. That's where my sympathies start - and end. It doesn't spill over to Islam, or even the Ahmadiya community. Note that she was prevented from burying her shor where she wanted to by the Sunnis, but is here hoping for us to Islamize, instead of hoping for the Sunnis to be more tolerant. Probably because she knows it's a vain hope.
NaseemWhy needlessly make it harder on yourself by posting such comments? We could post copious amounts of data as to why Islam is beyond abnormal, but at this difficult time, is that really what you want to read?
I keep thinking in my mind that I must have had shortcomings in my Dua to Allah SWT...and he has punished me so...I have not been able to take my arguments on Islam with enough gusto to the Infedel...that is a hard punishment to take. I have asked Allah to forgive me for that...and I shall try much harder from now...but I am convinced that my arguments on peaceful Islamic domination is the right way to go for Dar-al-harb.
Naseem, I am sorry for your loss. However the God of Arabia (known as Allah to Muslims) has released Anwar (or Anwer) from the human bondage. Your Anwar did not die violently in the hands of an infidel.
Your wailing and loss breaks the heart of a condemned kafir like me. I think you can find love again. After all, if you wish, you can remarry if Allah desires, no ?
However at this hour of loss please contemplate on Nick Berg, Paul Johnson, Eugene Anderson and Ken Bigley. They had their throats slit by demon-hearted co-religionists of your professed faith (Islam). Their slaughter was shown on the Al-Jazeera videos to show the strength of Islam. It was aimed to show that Allah Almighty had won the war over the scoundrel infidels. Your Anwar, did not die as miserably as these four persons, who were non-combatants in the war. He certainly fared better than these four unbelievers. Why wouldn't that thought make you happy and give you the assured comfort ?
Maybe the worst of the unbelievers are the Hindus. The Hindus believe in the cycle of birth and rebirth. How would you appreciate the thought that Anwar would be reborn as a Hindu in the next life ?
Regarding the fact that Pakistan had a devastating earthquake that killed about 80,000 people in Muzaffarabad and other areas of PoK, I must assert that though many innocent lives have been lost it was probably a retribution for the acts of the bloodthirsty Jihadis who have mercilessly slaughtered many Kashmiri Hindus in the valley - to create what you call as dar-al-harb. How would you think that the cries and wailings of many of these innocent non-combatants be not listened by Allah ? He must be there and is just. This earthquake is a sign: it is a message that Islam is about to end. You and others are pawns in the game.
Ameen, Allah Hafiz
Whose property does Naseem become now?
...but really Islam is not that bad...perhaps a tiny bit for the 1st generation...but then you just get used to it...it's just normal..I just needed to explain that.
Posted by: Naseem
This is what Submission means.
All the cannons going off hurt my ears, just for a bit, but then my eardrums burst and the pressure released through the blood flowing down my shoulders and the maddening noise went away. Now I'm used to it. It's just normal now. Status quo.
Posted by: Plague
May you heart heal from the pain and loss of your loved one. Reading all the sympathetic words above should show you that we are basically alike, only the conditioning of the cultures is what separates us. It's how we live between birth and death that is important. Just have respect for all other religions of the world, and don't push yours as the best, or try to convert others to it. Leave it alone already. Focus your energy on teaching the young muslims to want to live and laugh, and become productive members of your society, so that they can rise above what they are living now. Something really positive. Then you can meet your Maker in peace.
Naseem, we have crossed paths on this blog a few times now but I wish you and yours no ill. I'm sorry for your loss. I do feel it necessary however to point out the show of support and concern we infidels have shown to you. Your own government does not except you as a muslim so I tend to doubt you would get the same response from your own people. This list intends to show people the threat we see in islam but we don’t wish harm to you personally. Grieve for your husband and then take the time to compare the response shown by us and then your own people. The ones who refused to allow you to chose the final resting place of your beloved husband. Maybe you will realize it is us the lowly infidels who are the compassionate force and not islam with its warped set of values and oppressive nature.
Naseem, I think it speaks volumes that though you have been conditioned to think of us as "infidels" you come here to seek comfort at the passing of your husband......
I can't believe everyone is falling for naseem's sympathy grab. Even if it's true, this is a person who, if she had her way, would enslave you all and murder the rest. Yet, you still find it in your heart to offer condolences.
This is the kind of western softness that islam, and the like of naseem, exploit - while sneering at it. Islam beguiles you with one hand, and smites your neck with the other. Those condolences prove that as anti-islam as we may think we are here, we still maintain our basic decent, naive Christian nature by default. We revert back to that so quickly as soon as some notorious annonymous internet troll says, "Oh my dear husband died."
She's twirling her moustache right now and having a good laugh.
It just shows that we haven't really learned from islam yet.
But even if it's true, how can you waste one iota of sympathy on someone of islam. You have to harden yourselves to the enemy. Cruelty deserves cruelty. You can not treat them like normal human beings. They are not normal human beings. They do not grieve like normal human beings. They send their children to blow themselves up and then they celebrate. Death for them is not like death for you.
Naseem, Allah is not by his side. Allah is a fictional creation of your despotic mohammad. Allah is a moon god. Allah does not exist. Your anwar spent his life worshipping a long-dead pedophile and his delusional moon god. So this is not the time to invoke religion. It's the worse time. I don't know if there is an afterlife, but if there is, it ain't islamic. I can guarantee you that. There is no islamic afterlife for Anwar, or anybody.
somethingaboutislam,
That's a little harsh on someone recently bereaved... but I tend to agree with you. Naseem's last post was on the deaths of the two American soldiers who were brutally tortured and murdered. I felt that 'she' was unable to restrain 'herself' for glee. And now today, a grabbing headline with a universal appeal, she's back with a further twist in this never ending ongoing soap. Wake up folks this is taqiyya.
It may be an outdated source, but Lady Mary Wortley-Montague, wife of the British ambassador to Turkey in the early 18th C, noted that the duty of a Turkish widow was seen as being to re-marry as soon as possible if she wanted to facilitate her entry into paradise. Also, to stoop to a squalid level, I hope Naseem's son doesn't insist on selling the business so that he can keep two thirds of the proceeds (assuming their are no other beneficiaries.)
western infidel: Naseem is a male name. Of course, trolls have no sex. He's probably laughing his ass
off at the naivete of this board.
george_rem,
One day Naseem will have his own entry in Wikipedia alongside Tokyo Rose, Axis Sally and Hanoi Hannah.
Perhaps Prince Naseem underwent drastic surgery in order to pursue his/her career as a boxer, but if you type 'Naseem' into the search facility at photobucket or community webshots you will find that it is overwhelmingly a female name: perhaps a shortened form of Nasima?
By the way, I don't know what things are like in Lahore, but in Morocco it's not unknown for an only son (quite legally) to have his recently widowed mother evicted from the family home so that he can pocket his 66% share of the sale price.
Well, that's the "love" in islam, wallyuk.
Could I suggest banning the 'Naseem's'?All three of them. This troll, a he/she/it or whatever, has regularily disrupted these threads with its taqqiya and childish islamic supremacist bulls__t.
If we've "been had" as you say, so?
But if Naseem is a real woman in Pakistan, we have shown her compassion, what did we lose?
We are still fighting jihad and are not swayed from the fight. Naseem knows we do not share her beliefs. If "she" is a troll and is laughing at us...who cares? We have done the right thing.
I believe the point is that "Naseem" has managed to lead us all down the path to the "trials and tribulations of Naseem," which then evoked so much concern and sympathy here, getting us further and further away from that the path back to Al-Jazeera. Isn't that one of the signs of a Troll? In any case, pending someone trustworthy going to Naseem's home city and investigating for us, does any of us know for sure who "Naseem" really is and what their situation might really be?
Naseem,
Wa Alaikum As-Salaam.
I also add my condolences regarding your loss. Please forgive the few callous comments above as reflections of the nature of the medium to communicate (i.e. the internet, anonymity), the structure of the site (topical threads) and the nature of the ideological chasm between us.
Thank you for choosing to share your heart with us here.
For my more religious fellow JihadWatchers, a message from the Injeel:
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress...
This deluded idiot has nothing to say. People of the UK will just be disgusted, not afraid. Take comfort from the fact that if there is a hell this ar**ole is roasting nicey.
Al-Jazeera...well what can I say. Mouthpiece for murderers, a disgrace.
I have none, and will not show any sympathy to this devil islam. I'd bet if you showed up at this funeral as a christan,jew,or moon bat lefty,. They'd cut your throat faster than you could say
islam ain't no rop.
I have none, and will not show any sympathy to this devil islam. I'd bet if you showed up at this funeral as a christan,jew,or moon bat lefty,. They'd cut your throat faster than you could say
islam ain't no rop.
Save your sympathies for the next group of people Naz's fellow cultists murder while yelling "allahu akbar!". And Concerned Citizen, who the hell do you think you are with your backhanded chastisement of posters on this site? Nobody here needs you self-righteously apologizing for them, especially to some mohammedan troll.
sorry for the double post
AmericaninGermany and Eisenhund,
It's not my place to excuse you or not; our "dua" and our service to Him are "like menstrual rags", yours and mine, whether Christian or not. My self-righteousness is theologically no better than Naseem's (or yours).
I don't intend to go light on her any more than you do regarding the tenets and ambitions of Islam. However, I do feel if we have something better to offer her than Islam, that we should muster that "belated, massive, and unexpected recovery of Western spiritual and moral strenghth" of which Serge Trifkovic wrote, and do so.
Naseem
If you are writing under a man's name to protect your true identity and really belong to Ahmadiya Sect-considered heretics by other Muslims and persecuted as such-you deserve our sympathy.
Correct me if I am wrong but Ahmadiyas DONT PRACTISE JIHAD AND BELIEVE IN INTERFAITH DIALOGUE
as B'hais do?? In other words your Sect poses no threat to anyone??
In that case we could wish rest of 1.2 billion Muslims belonged to Ahmadiya Sect.
Naseem-if Islam is so wonderful why are most Muslim countries third world hellholes where people like yourself live in fear of their lives,
also in miserable poverty? BECAUSE THE INFIDELS YOU ARE TOLD TO DESPISE LIVE IN SECULAR DEMOCRACIES WITH ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE INSTEAD OF BEING SLAVES TO CLERICS AND A STONE AGE DEATH CULT-after all Muslims do worship the Black Stone [meteorite] in Mecca not to mention Crescent Moon
don't they?? My condolences anyway on your loss.
Assalama-Laikum all,
Islamic womens don't go to funerals to save them from futher wailing & chest beating....it is hard enough anyway.
I had said my goodbyes to Anwer in hospital...after that he was a dead body ...and I know my son buried the body with due respect.
As to the "my son will take 66% & throw me out wicked posters...according to Islamic law ...he could ...but I think a lot of this is how well a child is brought up. I know that there are examples of evil (the best examples are from some of the mogual emperors), but my son is brought up well and I have no worries, all that I have belongs to my children anyway...why go the "extra mile".
I see some peoples here are accusing me of taqquia and thread jacking...I am sorry about that.
Why did I share my loss in a public forum ? Well here's why!
A lot of peoples views (of Islam) here are based upon what they read here & there....they have little concept of what muslim society is REALLY like (American in germany I think is a real case inpoint). i.e. Islam is dismissed simple because other infedels dismiss it too. A case of the blind leading the blind.
Islam is a living breathing entity of real peoples ...not some non-fictional thing.
Peoples in Islam hurt too ...lots & lots when they get injured...or when they lose family, I have had much tradegy in the last 15 months...and it really hurts...just like infedels hurt.
I also know that some of you (Mr. Eisenhund, Razdan)would be totally callous & uncaring ...and I knew that would hurt too...but I also know that it is designed to hurt...so I read it like that.
As to the "there is no sympathy in Islam or Pak" ...you cannot be so wrong...peoples have been really kind & helpful...but if there is one thing I have learned it is that a lot of the infedel have been kind & sympathetic too....thank you for your kind words.
Does he think he's talking to uneducated idiots?
WE'VE READ THE TEXTS. Go play on the jihadi forums. You're WAY outclassed here.
Naseem,
Condolences to you, Naseem, on the passing of your husband.
What kind of demon (allah) would punish a whole family and cause physical suffering to one for another's lack?
Could it be . . . Satan?
No merciful GOD would do such a thing.
Sir William,
Go back and drink more of your Ayatollah Imam koolaide. The world identifies Jihad as War. Everytime an Islamic terrorists boasts of killing an infidel, he mentions Jihad. Everytime an Islamic terrorist threatens an attack he mentions Jihad. Everytime an Islamic terrorist video tapes a beheading, he mentions Jihad. Everytime a number of bound, blindfolded, and executed bodies are found, there always is a claim made by some Islamic terrorist claiming Jihad.
Such actions serve to the infidel as meaning War whenever Jihad is mentioned.
Go figure.
CGW,
True, a truly merciful God does not cause suffering. You are spot on.
No where do I read that Naseem is asking for our sympathy, so why are a few against what she said, she only wrote of what she has been going through. I don't care if she is an impostor or not, everyone on here could be for all we all know. For goodness sake, Naseem only told us of her grief, and if we as decent human beings cannot feel for her then we are no better than the Muslim terrorists that we purport to hate... She is in a far worse position than any infidel, she will now have no one and her life could be very scary... we all have people who will care and make sure we are ok, our women are not treated as though we are worthless or worse than animals. If she is telling the truth, she could be so scared of her future. This woman has tried sincerely to do what she thinks is right to try to make us all for Allah, she has not lowered herself to the level some on this site has, and has tried to influence us into what she thinks is good for us, for what she thinks is for our salvation... we all know that a true loving God could not be so full of hate, torture, death, fear and oppression. Our sympathise there for should not only go out to her for her loss but for her blindness,, and remember she thinks we are blind... God bless you Naseem and I hope he opens your eyes, fulls you with love and understanding, and takes you away from the oppression that you have lived under...
William Wallace Ellerslie - either you're not a native English speaker ( your post about 'the mean of the word') or you're in a hurry and don't check your typing.
Also your thought 'jihad means struggle' may be true in the letter of the law, but not the spirit as others have already shown. Jihad means war in practice, sir. In context in Qur'an the commands of Allah show it to be war as well. Develop something better please if you insist on minimizing the jihad threat.
Also you're statement "but after doing 10 minutes of research on the net" sounds a lot like the style of the more literate Muslim commenters on Ali Sina's site. Please upgrade your approach.
William Wallace Ellerslie,
Please try to remember that the non-Muslims the one meaning of the word jihad, which means in the eyes of non-Muslims to mean violent attack, regardless of the other meanings.
A_Plague:
The 'mean' of the word could just be a mathmatical reference. In this case we are left to ponder, "what is H?"
But I won't accuse William Wallace Ellerslie of being able to put two and two together...
-XRDC
I see the Quakers are coming out of the woodwork. Poor Naz. "If we don't sympathize, we're no different than the terrorists". You actually believe that bullshit?! Excuse me if I don't reach for a tissue because this fascist troll lost her husband. Some of you may be unfamiliar with Naz, I'm not. She is often a smooth-talker but she can't resist saying what she and her mohammedan hive wants. They want to dominate. How some of you can overlook the word DOMINATE is beyond me. Lots of goddamned Nazis lost their spouses in WWII too, I don't lose any sleep over it. And I will NOT be swayed by a mouthpiece of the most vile ideology ever to pollute a human brain. She is playing on your sympathies and she is all the more vile for doing so.
I said it before, I'll say it again. I'm saving my sympathies for the victims of people like Naz. All the people maimed and butchered by islamists seeking "domination". For this arrogant, totalitarian witch, nothing but contempt.
And Naz? My posts are not designed to hurt you. I don't care enough about you one way or another to even try. I have the news on as I write, listening to a report about friggin' mohammedans plotting to blow up the Holland Tunnel. And you whine about my callousness. When your filthy verminous fellow cultists quit trying to blow up people in my country, things might change. 'Til then, spare me the "oh, poor me. Eisenhund is being mean to me" spiel. You've no idea how cruel I can be. And if the day comes that you mohammedans make it necessary for me to visit your neighborhood, you won't enjoy finding out.
Wally,
Somehow I suspect you are really Charlie Sheen in disguise. I add my condolences to your loss of innocence upon Al-Jazeera's broadcasting proof of Muslim responsibility for horrific atrocities during their "spiritual" jihad.
Eisenhund,
We've got a pretty good idea. Could you tone it done a bit, for quotability sake?
I'm no Quaker.
Naseem and her husband are in dar-islam, where they belong.
Jihadis get no sympathy from me. I celebrate every time I hear of another "work accident".
I'm locked and loaded, are you?
Feel free to skip my posts if you don't like my style. I don't mince words and I mean everything I say, the way I say it. If I meant something different, I'd write it differently. I choose my words carefully. If someone likes something I say, but not the way I choose to say it, they should go ahead and paraphrase if that makes them happy. I don't get paid either way, so I don't really care.
Sometimes, if it is called for, I will serve up my words in a tumbler with three ice cubes, a splash of Collins, and a twist of lime. Other times they get tabasco, pepper, and a pickled jalepeño.
I will defend to the death your right to say whatever you want. I just think we owe it to Spencer (and each other) to not have
"You've no idea how cruel I can be. And if the day comes that you mohammedans make it necessary for me to visit your neighborhood, you won't enjoy finding out"
printed in some pathetic dhimmi rag like the New York Times as a quote from JihadWatch showing us as bloodthirsty, vigilante "Islamophobes".
But if that time comes....
Yes, the media do love to print this sort of stuff. I wonder how much the media is repsonsible for all the misguided hatred muslims have towards the rest of the world. Interestingly the media do not report even a small part of the comments made in muslim forums, they continue to portray them as victims, so much so that muslims have begun to believe the hype themselves. What a shame that we are living in a world where even our countires' media is turning on its own people. And they say the media is Zionist controlled, I don't think so.
And as far as that verminous little turds video, LOL, they do not have any respect for their gods creation, if hell exists they are burning there now. Mmmmmmmmmmm toasty.
from above
Islamic womens don't go to funerals to save them from futher wailing & chest beating....it is hard enough anyway.
And the real reason may be that the terrorists often blow up funeral processions, killing as many as they can. They also blow up wedding processions, and classrooms full of school children.
Kinda makes you want to be a stay at home mom
Mr Eisenhund is on form today..but misguided
I thought long & hard before posting about Anwer going...and dragging his proud name through a public forum ...but I owed it to Allah and to you peoples (thank you Gaye).
Lots of you are misguided indeed..and need to think straight.
If I am asking you to convert it is because in the long run it will save a lot of your bloodshed ...and that concerns me greatly.
I also have let you know about the goodness of the Ahmadi...so that you can remain as citizens of the US as wuslims....as Ahmadi wuslims ...that's as good as you can get...a bit like today.
Islam everywhere is inevitable...I am not saying this a boast...far from it...if it is ordained it will be...this is Allah's wish.
Mr. Eisenhund, Mr. Foehammer, I'm simply concerned about you and especially your childrens...As an Ahmadi I'm already there and if the world was Ahmadi...that would be a good thing, I don't really understand all these little objections that you keep coming up with....do it and we can all be best friends.
Naseem,
I commend you on your rapid recovery and thank you for your concern regarding our bloodshed. What you request will require all of it, and gladly given (the blood, that is). Because it will not happen. But you will know why it is called Dar-al-Harb.
We will not bow to it or your Allah. We already have a God who is not capricious or evil.
Your Islam claims to believe in the Torah and the Injeel. Does it ever bother you that you have no "uncorrupted" manuscripts of these sources from antiquity that corroborates your Qur'an? Have you thought why that might be?
Our destiny was ordained before the world was made. Your false prophet cannot change it.
Naseem naturally has my sincere sympathies but this is an anti-jihadist blog, for goodness sake.
As the wicked poster who mentioned the possibility of a son selling up his mother's house for the sake of the two thirds ingeritance money, I'd like to say that I was just pointing out where, yet again, Islamic law is unfavourable to women. I've heard that the prohibition on woman being at the graveside during burial can prove profoundly distressing for some women, particularly in places where there is a high infant mortality like sub-Saharan Africa. I'm still curious about Mary Wortley-Montague's observation that it increased a woman's chances of reaching paradise if she died in the married state, leading many old widows to make wildly unsuitable or disadvantageous matches - does this still obtain or was it just an 18th C Turkish thing.In mediaeval times pupils were expected to kiss the rod that beat them: it's a phrase that often occurs to me when I read aologetics by Muslimas.
(Also please address WilliamWallace as Willy, not Wally!)
WallyUK,
Sorry about that.
Eisenhund
"Feel free to skip my posts if you don't like my style."
I don't have a problem with you or your style.
Naseem, while I gave you sympathy for the death of your husband, never mistake compassion for weakness.
We will never bow to allah. Not one doubt in my mind. allah is death, now and in eternity.
remain as citizens of the US as wuslims....as Ahmadi wuslims ...that's as good as you can get...
posted by Naseem....
Ummmm...no. Maybe as good as it gets for you and your ilk. But not for us. No woman I know would trade anything in our lives for one like yours. We pity the way your cult treats you and we pity the fact you can't see your way out of it. You stay in a cult that treats 50 percent of it's followers like crap. Only the males keep what you could call respect, for themselves. I would think the worst part of being you, is that you aren't allowed to think for yourself. That's a pity.
Once you've tasted freedom, you don't ever go back.
sigh...
As an American and a former Infantryman, I hate admitting anything is a lost cause.
But Naseem, by her very own words, provides a sterling example. She's built a castle around her, the walls of which consist of calcified lies and zealous fantasy that the cannonballs of reason and logic will never breach.
I never asked you to worry about me, Naseem. Seems to me that you have enough to concern yourself with in your own house. Getting along requires respect. Acknowledging that someone doesn't want to buy what you're selling is respectful. You don't seem to be capable of that. You insult everyone here acting as if you know better for us than we do. The only way that the bloodshed you mentioned will end is when mohammedans shed their mind-numbing arrogance and quit trying to force their beliefs down everyone else's throats and quit sawing at the necks of those who gag on them. Whether or not you and other mohammedans are the enemies of people like me is solely up to you. Totalitarians all through history, all over the world have fallen to soldiers and warriors who valued freedom over tyranny. Islam is not and will not be the exception from this paradigm.
You don't know better than the other five and a half billion people on this planet. The sooner you realize that, the better for all of us. Don't think for one nanosecond that I will permit your people to force anything on my nation, my family, my friends, or myself or destroy all that my ancestors worked so hard to create and defend.
It will not happen.
Ever.
Carolyn2, I'm not sure if you thought my post was directed at you. If you did, it wasn't. I find I usually agree with what you write (offhand, I can't think of any postings where I didn't). If your comment was meant to be simply supportive, I do appreciate it. It actually wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Concerned Citizen and I had what I would like to think is a minor disagreement on language choice, and my post was for general audience, or at least 'to whom it may concern', to clarify my attitude toward post construction. Actually, I am in complete agreement with a subsequent posting he (she? please clarify if you feel it necessary) made on this thread in response to the misguided Naseem (#c240187, to be exact).
Oh yeah. Lest I forget...
Naseem? Thanks for the compliment. I do have my days. Unfortunately, I can only work with what people give me. Noisily bouncing a tennis ball off of your fortification is entertaining, to say the least. Fortunately for me, I'm on the outside. I can come and go as I please. You're stuck inside.
Too bad. The sun is warm out here. The grass, green and soft. Birds are singing, dogs are playing, squirrels are scampering between the trees. I almost feel sorry for you, stuck in that locked-tight, stifling citadel of yours.
Almost, but not quite.
Eisenhund, Foehammer, somethingaboutislam, Razdan, et al
You were all correct, and my apologies to all of you for assuming that Naseem is human.
Naseem,
I revoke my condolences, as I believe you are having a really hearty laugh at our expense. Nobody who's just been bereaved as you claim to be would be back with the trumpet of Islamic triumphalism. Whether you are really a woman, an Ahmadiya, a widow, a Pakistani is something none of us can verify. And you've demonstrated that even if all of the above were true, you are completely undeserving of any sympathies.
Hope Anwer shor - assuming he ever existed - is enjoying with his 72 wild slutty womens, as zonie kafir remarked.
Somehow I think Naseem is a wind up. If not, accept my condolences but my thoughts over this weekend are with the London commuters savagely slaughtered and injured for no good purpose. It was disturbing to hear on a London radio phone in, a recently arrived Kosovan Muslim who declared that most of his also recently arrived Muslim brethren, while accepting the benefits of British society, applauded the bombings in London. This is the kind of parasitical carrion that live in our midst.
IP says "Whether you are really a woman, an Ahmadiya, a widow, a Pakistani is something none of us can verify".
Do you want to come to Lahore IP?...you can testify ...my suffering to the rest of the peoples here ....I can show you pictures of my dearest Anwer..and you can vist his grave ...would you like that IP?
Your thinly vieled condolences are no use to man or beast, a lot of other peoples here have offered sincere condolences ...and for those I am grateful.
IP, in truth you carry the hate of 1200 years of hate of the hindu.
The hindu has been stong on concepts but shit on saving his skin and that of his pristine daughters. He has let his womens be stolen by bigotted muslim emperors like Gazni and Janingir and Aurengzeb et al.
In turn he has let 1000s of irreplacable temples be destroyed..that's the fault of the hindu ..not being able to fight....IP only the sikh has stopped your infedel name from being changed to Saeed or Mohammed or god forbid Anwer.
I hope you are grateful to the sikh...and stop putting 1200 years of hate on me....grow up!
Naseem, you truely are fucked up in the head. You've got it so wrong. I pity you.
Poor Naseem. Like a dog that only knows one trick, all she can do is what she has been trained to do: regurgitate platitudes about her false prophet and her cult of death. The sad part is that she has been doing it for so long she actually believes it. The fact that her husband had to receive Western medical treatment should give her some indication that Islam is not superior in anything and if that is true then there might be other things she has been told that are false also.